My First Time Growing

ShiggityFlip said:
Airflow is super important at night and in the day. We definitely want to keep that going. Having them close to the dark wall is a good choice. I think you are going to be fine doing it that way.
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Thanks Shiggity, I was hoping that was what you would say! These are the reasons I ask such dumb questions, sorry!
 
We tend to think of flowering and Vegetative as two separate growth mechanisms like a switch. I keep it in my mind as a continued curve. Like we think of blue and green as different colors, I like to imagine them as different shades of hue. there is green and there is hunter green, dark green, kelly green.

So for me I try to maximize the environment that will produce a stronger flowering response. So I can be further along that continued flowering curve. I want the maximum bud production with the maximum flower quality. I will always go quality over quantity though. And the best quality will be gained from full darkness for flowering. Sometimes we must make allowances, like the allowances you are making for venting. If the allowed light coming in is super small there wont be a noticeable quality difference. And we must vent or we will get rot and mold on our plants.

My "grow tent' is just a section of basement with black plastic walls. Sometimes I go in there at lights out and check for light leaks. If I had a vent to lightproof like on a tent, I would probably add a cardboard box with a cutout for the vent and some holes in the box. This would allow airflow but block light. But as I said I think you are fine with the way things are set up and the vents toward a darker area. I am just a bit insane with my grow lol.


And never apologize for questions. You continually ask some of the best questions I have seen from a first time grower. And your instincts are constantly very good. Besides, this thread is followed by people with the same questions as you. By asking them you are helping out everyone who reads this thread. I love ya Smokey and it kills me to see you ever say you are dumb. You are a brave man who sacrificed for his fellow man and got injured. You are now a grower of fine quality cannabis. You are also helping to teach so many new growers just by learning and asking questions. You are my hero Smokey, don't ever put yourself down!
 
Dumb is a four letter word. I have a little book of 4 letter words, the good...the bad...and the truly ugly. Dumb is in the bad category.
:laugh:

There hasn't been a "dumb" question from you, and I doubt there ever will be. So put that word in a little book and tuck it far...far ...away.

This is meant in the most humorous way possible.

:circle-of-love:
 
Smokeater said:
Sorry, That was the biggest post I've made I think. But I just want you guys to understand what I'm thinking and why I ask so many questions. You guys are the reason my plants have grown so well and thought it would be better if you knew where my head is at when I'm asking stuff. I would never have made it this far without all of you because of the rules you just don't break that I had no clue about. So thank you guys so much for everything and I hope you don't mind me still asking questions even though my journal has gotten so big. I feel stupid every time I ask something now since you have all provided so much info.
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Don't EVER worry about too long a post -- ever notice how most of our answers are much longer than your statements???? You are doing great.

These questions and answers really do help us all out.

For example: your discussion with Shiggety helped an answer pop into my head.

I have a rather extreme light hiding setup for flowering because people stressed make dark.. dark. So I have a basement room with construction foam walls a gap of a few inches and then panda plastic(black on on side, dark on the other) walls hanging inside the first walls. A regular frame doorway is light-sealed with foam and a blackout curtain.

I usually leave the blackout curtain covering the doorway, but the last several weeks I have been leaving the blackout curtain drawn (not blocking light.)

My two girls who went into the Flowering room on 2-26 have not yet set flowers, usually I see the flowers start after 3-5 days, and this has been 12 days.

Tonight I will drop the curtain for more complete coverage and see if this helps my girls start flowering !
 
Well then comes along Fifi and muddys up the waters...:straightface: PJ says not to add soil and cover the stem once it is up... I'll be honest... I don't remember all the exact reasons... actually I don't remember any of the reasons... but I know he told me I shouldn't add soil or bury the stems with additional soil... I know eventually PJ will show back up and remind me of all the things I have forgotten... :passitleft: High Smoke... Hope your having a green and blessed day....:circle-of-love:
 
Dennise said:
Well then comes along Fifi and muddys up the waters...:straightface: PJ says not to add soil and cover the stem once it is up... I'll be honest... I don't remember all the exact reasons... actually I don't remember any of the reasons... but I know he told me I shouldn't add soil or bury the stems with additional soil... I know eventually PJ will show back up and remind me of all the things I have forgotten... :passitleft: High Smoke... Hope your having a green and blessed day....:circle-of-love:
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He commented about that on my thread last year, and also referred to member jay233 (dang I miss him!) about more info on it. I'll see if I can find that later.
Here's what PeeJay stated:

Please do not bury the stem. Some folks will tell you the plant will grow new roots out of the burried part. They are right, but it will also stress the crap out of the plant! You have a great memory, Canna. This has been discussed before and my ally in the "don't burry the stem" camp was our long lost friend and voice of reason Jay223.
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Dr Bob said:
Wow, then I have violated that rule time and time again, especially with seedlings. Heck, I just did it this week.

Don't tell PeeJay! :straightface:
Bob ;)
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LOL!
Mine didn't fare so well.
I made the mistake of doing that to a verrry young seedling once. The part that got the fresh soil around it actually died...rotted. The seedling fell over close to death before I realized what happened. I did save it, in a glass of water, and grew it out later.

I have no clue if that would happen to a more mature plant.
 
Dennise said:
Poor Canna... Can you imagine how hard it is on her following me around this thread cleaning up my messes...:;):....:circle-of-love:
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You are too funny girl.

This was actually therapeutic for me, I got to read through some of Jay's truly funny posts from 2014. Sooooo.....

:thanks:
 
Cannafan said:
LOL!
Mine didn't fare so well.
I made the mistake of doing that to a verrry young seedling once. The part that got the fresh soil around it actually died...rotted. The seedling fell over close to death before I realized what happened. I did save it, in a glass of water, and grew it out later.

I have no clue if that would happen to a more mature plant.
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I have always done it at transplant on a too stretchy plant. Both of my current Fruit Punches got it for sure. But always on woody stalks that already are tough.

Bob ;)
 
Cannafan said:
He commented about that on my thread last year, and also referred to member jay233 (dang I miss him!) about more info on it. I'll see if I can find that later.
Here's what PeeJay stated:
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I have to say I have never had a problem burying some of the stem. I like many others use this technique to help fix stretchy seedlings. Like Bob only on woody stem. I also top dress pots that become low. Otherwise I have seen roots appearing out of the soil which is surely stressful. I would like to see more clear info on why it would be a bad practice to do so.

Not saying that in a challenging way. Simply curious. Always in the search for more knowledge!
 
it can be done. i think it's just that many people tend to over do it. put too much on. think of it as more of a slow process.. over several days. add a thin layer.. i mean like no more than 1/4"-3/8" and water. if you do this before every watering it will build up before you know it. if using hard pots you can also build up from the bottom and sides.. but you have to be most careful.

the problem is at 6 weeks of flower it may not do much good. root development has slowed significantly by this time.
 
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?.................so many answers to so many questions.

My answer to your vents letting in light, close the square vent holes, put a semi long duct tube in the round hole and put some bends in the duct work. This should defuse the light from getting in to the tent and allow lots of passive air to get in.

Does that sound about right guys?

:Love::cco::Love:
 
Wasn't taken as challenging at all Shiggity. It's a valid question. I stopped any thoughts of burying stems deeper due the conversation a couple years ago on the subject, and then the experience with the seedling.
I do recall something pertaining to what Gypsy said, if you're going to do it....it should be done gradually.

Hopefully PeeJay will come around soon and explain his theory more. I am interested in the specific reasoning myself.

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Edit: Unfortunately Jay233 dropped off the site a couple years ago. Searching for that conversation would be a needle in a haystack kind of thing. He was everywhere. LOL
 
Dr Bob said:
Oh come on Canna! You just need the to cast Boolean Query with your magic wand and bippity boppity boo, Bob's your uncle!

PeeJay's Perpetual Organic Homebrewed Soil - Stealth Cabinet And Greenhouse Grow
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My hero Bob,

ROFL, here I was searching for Jay233's thread to see where he posted that. The search feature sometimes doesn't respond to my query's. It just comes back with "Add another nickle for another search"

Actually I was having fun going through random photos at the time from my gallery. What a trip back in time.

:thanks:
 
Here is a link of that discussion:
PeeJay's Perpetual Organic Homebrewed Soil - Stealth Cabinet And Greenhouse Grow

I can see what PeeJay and Jay233 are saying but I disagree on a few points. I know you can't back bury trees, as a former landscaper I have seen many trees that were destined to die due to backfilling. These are trees though. Our plant is much more resilient and malleable. A buried tree will never sprout roots through its bark. Our plants will.

The soil that I use is super fluffy and porous. Fabric pots also raise the amount of oxygen. Properly made cannabis medium is much much more open to oxygen penetration than outdoor soil which can compact and form a barrier to air.

Cannabis as we all know will root on the stem and often produces "proto roots" for several inches of the stem that is above the soil level. This burying would have to be done early enough in veg that the stem roots are able to colonize the media. On my grows the soil all the way up to the top of the pot is teeming with root mass. But this is definitely a reason to top dress. I can't stand seeing exposed roots on the top of the soil. This can definitely happen after a few weeks time. The soil is loose enough that it settles down lower while the roots remain high. Top dressing before this happens can prevent the stress of exposed roots.

Haha Bob posted the link while I was still typing. Good post Bob!
 
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