If you decide to foliar feed your plants i would leave out the Epsom Salts and see if they improve.
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Some good info, just doing a drive by bubbles! Plants are looking good man, mine are way yellowerLove the mazar, wondering if they are similar to the mazari sharif seeds I picked up.. Thinking about poping these next!
I did the microwave test vs. the ballast test.
The microwave test (idk if I did it right). I waited about 12 hours after pulling and cleaning the buds with doc buds cleaning teqhnique, then micro'd at low for about 12 seconds.. it was more than enough, the bud seemed to get wetter.. I think this was because of the wetness from being cleaned in the water then re distributing when it was heated up, almost making a condensation. So I have set the nug on the ballast covered by a glass jar to let it finish off. then I will give them a side by side smoke test!
Good day to you mrbubbles!
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Thanks for following along. Pretty sure my yellow leaves are from a nute lockout possibly causes by ph issues. At this point they're so close to harvest I'm not sure if I should just feed straight water from here on out or if I should try to reintroduce nutrients in a few more days.
When I did the microwave steam method I took my bud directly from the plant and microwaved it right away with a wet paper towel over the top of the Tupperware. I ended up having to microwave for almost 10 mins total. I had my power turned down to 20% and only did it for 1-2min increments. It seemed like it took forever to finally start drying it lol
I've had the same question about my Mazar cuz I've ran into sites with sharif Mazar as well. My Mazar still has quite a ways to go. Prolly almost a 90 day plant.
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I've cut everything out now. I'm just debating if I should say screw it and just go to a 2 week flush from here on out or if its worth readding nutes. We're in week 9 right now. What's your opinion?
if the majority of your plants still have more then 25% white pistils and your trichomes are 50 cloudy 50 clear right now i say re introduce nutrients and continue on with your grow.
I like where KJC went with it above. I would go with nutes man, if you are 9 weeks in and you think they have another month atleast, nute it up!! Get these babies to their fullest potential you will sure enjoy it in the long run. I've harvested early last grow and was a little displeased. Just my opinion 
On the mazar, which seed company were they from? Went back on the first page and didnt notice mazar listed. I think the pack I picked up was Mazari by seedsman seeds. Wondering if they are similar.
And on the microwave thing I heard the nug pop and was freaked out, so I removed it LOL. I just can't seem to fully cook a nug in the microwave, it hurts me inside HAHA
On the mazar, which seed company were they from? Went back on the first page and didnt notice mazar listed. I think the pack I picked up was Mazari by seedsman seeds. Wondering if they are similar.
And on the microwave thing I heard the nug pop and was freaked out, so I removed it LOL. I just can't seem to fully cook a nug in the microwave, it hurts me inside HAHA
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Love Blue OG, new strain for me but I really enjoy how it grows and the finished bud....have some clones going on now 
I would feed the slow grower looks like it is ready for 1/4 strength nukes. Rest of the ladies look great 
Blue OG 4 weeks 12/12
I would feed the slow grower looks like it is ready for 1/4 strength nukes. Rest of the ladies look great
Blue OG 4 weeks 12/12
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I'm guessing 3 of them have about 50% red pistils. Those are the 3 I'm thinking of flushing until the 15th and then harvesting. 2 of them are Auto Berry Ryders which are supposed to be done on day 60 and the other is my critical jack which is supposed to be done day 70. Today is day 66 so I think 15 more days would be ideal. I may even pull the critical jack by this Friday. The remaining 3 plants have almost all white pistils. The blue cheese and berry Ryder concern me because they're getting tons of yellow leaves and they need til at least 9/31. I'm going to try giving them nutes again in 3 days and then every other feeding until the final 2 week flush.
I like where KJC went with it above. I would go with nutes man, if you are 9 weeks in and you think they have another month atleast, nute it up!! Get these babies to their fullest potential you will sure enjoy it in the long run. I've harvested early last grow and was a little displeased. Just my opinion
On the mazar, which seed company were they from? Went back on the first page and didnt notice mazar listed. I think the pack I picked up was Mazari by seedsman seeds. Wondering if they are similar.
And on the microwave thing I heard the nug pop and was freaked out, so I removed it LOL. I just can't seem to fully cook a nug in the microwave, it hurts me inside HAHA
My Mazar is an auto Mazar from Dutch Passion. It's supposed to take 70 days but it will probably take almost 90. Ironically this plant shows no stress at all. No yellow leaves or any spots. Not sure if the other plants are yellowing because they're almost done or if the Mazar is just more resistant lol.
I agree with the microwave lol. I haven't sampled any of mine since.
AutoMazar ® - Auto Flowering Cannabis Seeds - Buy safely from Dutch Passion
Thanks for all the help guys. Really getting excited now. Just hope they all make it and have enough time to fatten up as much as I'd like.
On a side note my hash bags and hydrometer should be here this week. Just wondering if my single critical jack would give me enough trim for a bit of hash. Nothing huge just a gram or anything to test it out before I put all my trim through it. Should I just use the sugar leafs or should I add fan leaves and stems also. Otherwise if I only use sugar leaves for hash can you make butter with stems and fan leaves?
Yo, I totally forgot you were growing autos.. Disregard anything I said on the post above LOL. I know SQUAT about autos.
I would just use the sugar leaf for your hash making or concentrates, I am saving all of my fan leaves in big ziploc bags, i'm planing on purchasing a juicer machine here when money persists, and juicing the crap outta all my fan leaves to pull all of the good stuff out, our leaves are filled with CBD, the non-psychoactive parts of marijuana that will help you with inflammation and other stuff. hope it's alright I post this, this is what really got my motivated to start juicing, sounds so damn healthy. But then again, i'm sure you can also use your fan leaves for butter;
Have a great day mrbub!!!
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I would just use the sugar leaf for your hash making or concentrates, I am saving all of my fan leaves in big ziploc bags, i'm planing on purchasing a juicer machine here when money persists, and juicing the crap outta all my fan leaves to pull all of the good stuff out, our leaves are filled with CBD, the non-psychoactive parts of marijuana that will help you with inflammation and other stuff. hope it's alright I post this, this is what really got my motivated to start juicing, sounds so damn healthy. But then again, i'm sure you can also use your fan leaves for butter;
Have a great day mrbub!!!
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Love Blue OG, new strain for me but I really enjoy how it grows and the finished bud....have some clones going on now
Blue OG 4 weeks 12/12
Thanks! Mines starting to look quite a bit better now. I just transplanted it into a 3 gal container. Ill be putting it in my tent under a MH in about a month once my autos are done. I definitely plan to clone the blue OG. I've heard they can be difficult to clone. I might buy a cloner in the future to help. The blue og will be one of 4 different strands in my rotation.
Yours looks great! Ill be following to see how she turns out.
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Yo, I totally forgot you were growing autos.. Disregard anything I said on the post above LOL. I know SQUAT about autos.
I would just use the sugar leaf for your hash making or concentrates, I am saving all of my fan leaves in big ziploc bags, i'm planing on purchasing a juicer machine here when money persists, and juicing the crap outta all my fan leaves to pull all of the good stuff out, our leaves are filled with CBD, the non-psychoactive parts of marijuana that will help you with inflammation and other stuff. hope it's alright I post this, this is what really got my motivated to start juicing, sounds so damn healthy. But then again, i'm sure you can also use your fan leaves for butter;
Have a great day mrbub!!!
No problem it happens a lot lol. This is one of two journals I'm running. My other one is on an auto site so the information is usually a little bit more relevant to autos. They are very similiar to photos though.
Thanks for the great info on juicing. I'm always fascinated by different medicinal benefits of cannabis. I think I'm going to try butter with mine but in the future maybe ill get a juicer
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Update Day 68:
Getting really close now. All of these girls are supposed to be done between 60-70 days but of course that's never the case lol. At this point I'm not sure how to proceed. Each plant is at a different stage.
As you all saw from my previous post I was panicking because I thought I had a serious nutrient problem, however, now I believe most of my plants were just starting to age and were trying tell me they were getting done. I'm not positive though. Because of my inexperience I over analyze and second guess everything.
So I'm relying on you guys to help me out here. I'm going to to show pictures of each plant and write a brief description on my harvest plans. I'm hoping you guys will be able to help confirm my instincts here.
I did flush all of the girls with approximately 2 gals each of straight water on 8/29. They haven't been watered or fed since. I need to decide which plants to continue flushing and which plants to continue feeding.
My original plan was to harvest 3 plants on 9/15 and 3 plants on 9/31. Any plants I wish to harvest 9/15 I need to keep flushing whereas any plants I want to harvest on 9/31 I can keep feeding for 2 more weeks. I'm hoping to decide tonight so tomorrow I can figure out which plants to feed and which ones to keep flushing.
Blue Cheese
I'm hoping to harvest her on 9/31. She has quite a bit of fattening up to do yet. She's yellowing pretty fast though so I'm not sure of she can make it til 9/31 or if I should keep flushing and take her down on 9/15.
Berry Ryder 1 I think this girl is my best LST. She has tons of tops but seems a bit behind my BR3. I'm hoping to run her til 9/31 but she has recently started to get yellow leaves where my BR3 hasn't but my BR3 seem further ahead?
Berry Ryder 2 Easily my largest plant and possibly a confirmation that LST doesn't produce larger yields on autos at least for me lol. Ill be able to get a better idea once final dry weights are in cuz I have some lst'd that are pretty fat too. I'd really like to run her til 9/31 but she's started yellowing and the pistils are about 30-40% brown.
Here's one of her leaves. Is this aging or something else?
Berry Ryder 3
My fattest and healthiest girl. She has really started to pack on the weight. Thinking she's ready by 9/15 but she hasn't shown many yellow leaves especially compared to BR1.
Mazar
This girl will easily go until 9/31. Possible even til 10/15. She's just starting fattening up recently and doesn't have much of a smell yet. As you can see she has no yellow leaves though but has been fed the same as the others. Does this mean she's more resilient or just taking longer?
And the grand finally is....Critical Jack! First of all I can't say whether its my skill or what but this plant is so much better compared to my other strains. Go figure she's my smallest yielder too
. She smells so amazing I can't even describe it. Kind of woodsy with a citrus/fruity hint.
My pictures don't even show a hundredth of the crystals on this girl. And I'm not sure if this is supposed to be happening but it's almost like the buds or sugar leaves are turning purple. I'd like to let her go as long as I can to get as much bud as possible but Im worried about the sugar leaves changing color. I know if I even chopped her today she would be some amazing smoke. I'm considering harvesting her even as soon as this weekend. Our local supply is crappy plus my new vape pen and hash bags will be here by Monday Anyways ill let you guys be the judge...
That's it for now. Hope to get some responses by tomorrow so I can decide what to do. Hope you enjoy my bud porn. I get a little carried away lol. I also have some decent macro shots with my other camera. Ill try to upload those another time. Can't wait to get my first plant harvested. Anything has to be better than the crap around here and I can't wait to try my own hash in my new vape pen. I decided to get a white rhino dube pen as my first entry level vape pen. Ill make sure I update you guys on my hash bags and this pen once I get a chance to try them out.
Thanks again for all your help. I wouldn't even know what an auto was without you guys.
Getting really close now. All of these girls are supposed to be done between 60-70 days but of course that's never the case lol. At this point I'm not sure how to proceed. Each plant is at a different stage.
As you all saw from my previous post I was panicking because I thought I had a serious nutrient problem, however, now I believe most of my plants were just starting to age and were trying tell me they were getting done. I'm not positive though. Because of my inexperience I over analyze and second guess everything.
So I'm relying on you guys to help me out here. I'm going to to show pictures of each plant and write a brief description on my harvest plans. I'm hoping you guys will be able to help confirm my instincts here.
I did flush all of the girls with approximately 2 gals each of straight water on 8/29. They haven't been watered or fed since. I need to decide which plants to continue flushing and which plants to continue feeding.
My original plan was to harvest 3 plants on 9/15 and 3 plants on 9/31. Any plants I wish to harvest 9/15 I need to keep flushing whereas any plants I want to harvest on 9/31 I can keep feeding for 2 more weeks. I'm hoping to decide tonight so tomorrow I can figure out which plants to feed and which ones to keep flushing.
Blue Cheese
I'm hoping to harvest her on 9/31. She has quite a bit of fattening up to do yet. She's yellowing pretty fast though so I'm not sure of she can make it til 9/31 or if I should keep flushing and take her down on 9/15.
Berry Ryder 1 I think this girl is my best LST. She has tons of tops but seems a bit behind my BR3. I'm hoping to run her til 9/31 but she has recently started to get yellow leaves where my BR3 hasn't but my BR3 seem further ahead?
Berry Ryder 2 Easily my largest plant and possibly a confirmation that LST doesn't produce larger yields on autos at least for me lol. Ill be able to get a better idea once final dry weights are in cuz I have some lst'd that are pretty fat too. I'd really like to run her til 9/31 but she's started yellowing and the pistils are about 30-40% brown.
Berry Ryder 3
My fattest and healthiest girl. She has really started to pack on the weight. Thinking she's ready by 9/15 but she hasn't shown many yellow leaves especially compared to BR1.
Mazar
This girl will easily go until 9/31. Possible even til 10/15. She's just starting fattening up recently and doesn't have much of a smell yet. As you can see she has no yellow leaves though but has been fed the same as the others. Does this mean she's more resilient or just taking longer?
And the grand finally is....Critical Jack! First of all I can't say whether its my skill or what but this plant is so much better compared to my other strains. Go figure she's my smallest yielder too
. She smells so amazing I can't even describe it. Kind of woodsy with a citrus/fruity hint. My pictures don't even show a hundredth of the crystals on this girl. And I'm not sure if this is supposed to be happening but it's almost like the buds or sugar leaves are turning purple. I'd like to let her go as long as I can to get as much bud as possible but Im worried about the sugar leaves changing color. I know if I even chopped her today she would be some amazing smoke. I'm considering harvesting her even as soon as this weekend. Our local supply is crappy plus my new vape pen and hash bags will be here by Monday
Anyways ill let you guys be the judge...
That's it for now. Hope to get some responses by tomorrow so I can decide what to do. Hope you enjoy my bud porn. I get a little carried away lol. I also have some decent macro shots with my other camera. Ill try to upload those another time. Can't wait to get my first plant harvested. Anything has to be better than the crap around here and I can't wait to try my own hash in my new vape pen. I decided to get a white rhino dube pen as my first entry level vape pen. Ill make sure I update you guys on my hash bags and this pen once I get a chance to try them out.
Thanks again for all your help. I wouldn't even know what an auto was without you guys.
Hmmm.. I have based my opinion off of the pictures mrbub.
I think you should keep the nutes going on the Mazar & Berry Rider 3, due to their green N filled leaves still hanging in there.
Althought the BR3 has more rigid burnt edges than the BR1, she still looks greener to me in the pictures, more green=more life in my mind.
I would flush the BR1,BR2 & the C Jack. Hard decision.. I still don't know much on autos I just wanted to give you something to run with..
So weird with autos man, I have been flushing my plants that are in 10.5/13.5 for awhile now and they just don't seem to want to die! I feel like it has been over 2 weeks now. crazy the differences with all these different types of MMj we have around the world. interesting!
I just seen the pictures of the vape pen. You got the white rhino? How do you like it so far? I use to have the Vapecone and loved it for awhile, started tasting very odd thought, almost plastic.. Had to get rid of it asap as I was fearing for my safety and health!
Good day to you mrbub!
I think you should keep the nutes going on the Mazar & Berry Rider 3, due to their green N filled leaves still hanging in there.
Althought the BR3 has more rigid burnt edges than the BR1, she still looks greener to me in the pictures, more green=more life in my mind.
I would flush the BR1,BR2 & the C Jack. Hard decision.. I still don't know much on autos I just wanted to give you something to run with..
So weird with autos man, I have been flushing my plants that are in 10.5/13.5 for awhile now and they just don't seem to want to die! I feel like it has been over 2 weeks now. crazy the differences with all these different types of MMj we have around the world. interesting!
I just seen the pictures of the vape pen. You got the white rhino? How do you like it so far? I use to have the Vapecone and loved it for awhile, started tasting very odd thought, almost plastic.. Had to get rid of it asap as I was fearing for my safety and health!
Good day to you mrbub!
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Hmmm.. I have based my opinion off of the pictures mrbub.
I think you should keep the nutes going on the Mazar & Berry Rider 3, due to their green N filled leaves still hanging in there.
Althought the BR3 has more rigid burnt edges than the BR1, she still looks greener to me in the pictures, more green=more life in my mind.
I would flush the BR1,BR2 & the C Jack. Hard decision.. I still don't know much on autos I just wanted to give you something to run with..
So weird with autos man, I have been flushing my plants that are in 10.5/13.5 for awhile now and they just don't seem to want to die! I feel like it has been over 2 weeks now. crazy the differences with all these different types of MMj we have around the world. interesting!
I just seen the pictures of the vape pen. You got the white rhino? How do you like it so far? I use to have the Vapecone and loved it for awhile, started tasting very odd thought, almost plastic.. Had to get rid of it asap as I was fearing for my safety and health!
Good day to you mrbub!
Hey CA,
I think I'm leaning the same way. Yellow means its time to flush and green means to keep her going simple enough lol.
The only one I'm really concerned with is the Blue Cheese. She smells fantastic and is covered in buds but very airy buds. Not sure if those will fatten up on a 2 week flush. Thinking ill harvest the CJ, BR1 and BR2 on 9/15. Then ill start flushing the Blue Cheese and BR 3 on 9/15 and harvest those ones 9/31. Might hold off flushing the Mazar to 9/31 and harvest her 10/15.
I did harvest a small branch from my CJ tonight for a same. I'm going to hang dry it for a few days and see how she is. Here's a few pics...
As far as vapor pens...make sure you fasten your seatbelt before you start shopping. I literally spent 2 weeks researching online and YouTube reviews. I feel like I'm a virtual expert at this point. I say virtual because I have only tried a vape pen once a few months ago lol. A big challenge for me was finding something that could do bubble hash and dry herb. I don't live in a med state so it's not easy getting concentrate which means I have to make mine own. Figured this would be a good starter pen and then I can upgrade to like a thermovape or omicron in the future. It's called the "dube" lol. Should be here Monday. Ill be vaping herb out of it the first week and then hopefully my homemade bubble hash
Thanks for the advice!
your Mazar appears to be a longer flowering strain.
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I'm thinking so too. The dutch passion site says 10 weeks from seed. Obviously this girls gonna prolly take order to 12 maybe even up to 14. She's supposed to be a heavy yielder so ill be happy with that. Thinking she'll come down around 10/15. Might even run her on 12/12 for the last few weeks because ill be flowering my photos by then
Do you recommend having the plant sit in total darkness for a day before harvest?
Also, I'm planning on using Docs bud washing technique. I'm a little confused on one part. I know I take the main fan leaves off before washing but leave the sugar leaves on. Will I then trim the plants right after the wash, hang dry my buds, and freeze my sugar leaves for my hash?
Thanks again for all your help!
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Well after the overwhelming amount of responses i decided to go with my gut instincts and flush all of my plants except my Mazar which I gave a regular feed to seems how she is taking quite a bit longer then the rest. Hopefully that equals a bigger yield too
I ended up giving each plant almost 12 cups of ph'd water! This is quite a bit compared to the usual 5-6 cups. Guess they're getting pretty thirsty. I will be flushing them between 1-3 weeks depending on when each plant is ready. I may be harvesting my CJ this weekend but we'll see how she looks. I realize I could be missing out but I figure this route is much safer for my first harvest.
I am going to be over all of my Seedbank recommended harvest dates and they all have at least 70% red hairs. Still no microscope to check the trichs out though.
The only plant that has me concerned is my blue cheese. Hoping she fattens up and the buds get more sense because they're pretty fluffy right now. I did notice some brown spots on the tops of her buds too! My tents been getting almost to 90 a few times over the last few days so I'm hoping its just heat stress. Please let me know f you guys think its something else. Here's a few pics...
Sorry the pics aren't the greatest. You should see dark greenish/brown spots on the sugar leaves. Have no idea what this is. Any help would be awesome!
I ended up giving each plant almost 12 cups of ph'd water! This is quite a bit compared to the usual 5-6 cups. Guess they're getting pretty thirsty. I will be flushing them between 1-3 weeks depending on when each plant is ready. I may be harvesting my CJ this weekend but we'll see how she looks. I realize I could be missing out but I figure this route is much safer for my first harvest.
I am going to be over all of my Seedbank recommended harvest dates and they all have at least 70% red hairs. Still no microscope to check the trichs out though.
The only plant that has me concerned is my blue cheese. Hoping she fattens up and the buds get more sense because they're pretty fluffy right now. I did notice some brown spots on the tops of her buds too! My tents been getting almost to 90 a few times over the last few days so I'm hoping its just heat stress. Please let me know f you guys think its something else. Here's a few pics...
Sorry the pics aren't the greatest. You should see dark greenish/brown spots on the sugar leaves. Have no idea what this is. Any help would be awesome!
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PLEASE HELP!!!!
I'm freaking out! Lol No, but seriously I have a situation. Really hope you guys can help me with this. I've tried researching online for hours and I'm just not finding the answers.
Last night I discovered that all of my plants except the Mazar have seeds!!!! How the hell did this happen?
This is what I've found out. There's a few different possibilities. First, I know without a doubt I have had 0 males so that eliminates that possibility. That leaves hermaphroditism. Based on my research I've learned a few scenarios that can case autos to hermie.
One possibility is as the near the end of their life cycle they begin to grow seeds as a last ditch effort when they realize they're about to die.
Another more likely possibility as I'm dealing with reputable seed banks is stress. Of course as a noob this is the most obvious. I haven't been easy on these girls. They have had tons of temp variations between 68-88. They've had their light schedule changed mid flower. They were LST'd quite aggressively. And finally what I believe is the culprit is nute stress due to a salt lockout.
Okay so that's the easy part. Now is the tough part because I don't know what the quality will be of my final product. I'm guessing it will still be excellent because I'm not finding more than a few seeds on each plant so far but my yield will be lower and of course ill have a few seeds to pick out of my bags.
This doesn't seem like a big problem but for me it was devastating. I pride myself on perfection and attention to detail. I spent hundreds of hours of research and specifically bought feminized seeds through reputable seed banks to ensure this wouldn't happen. It was also a huge shot to my ego because I felt like I was doing an excellent job on this grow.
I was so devastated about finding the seeds I needed some positive vibes so I decided to chop my critical jack. She was flushed for about 6 days. I realize I should've flushed her longer and had her sit in the dark for a few days but I was freaking our and figured what the hell it's my first plant and I've got plenty more. Plus I'd only found a few seeds on my CJ and they were immature so I figured by taking her down now I could prevent further seeds. Unfortunately I didn't have all the supplies to do docs bud wash but will do that for the rest.
THE HARVEST
I didn't find anymore seeds except 2 so far. She smells amazing and was so sticky! It was my first trim in almost 10 years lol. I think I did an ok job. I ended up with 95 grams wet. Hoping for 20 grams dry and ill be happy seems how she's my first/smallest. I've got her hang drying in my wardrobe box. There's a fan in there on low circulating the air but not blowing on the plant directly. My temps about 70 and humidity around 60%.
I did get a decent amount of trim and popcorn buds. I'm going to try and make a small batch of hash to get some practice before I do a big run. Ill be happy with even a G of full melt off of her. I put all the trim in a baggy and straight to the freezer. Going to try making it tonight.
We did get a nice little scissor hash patty. Put it on top of a bowl and got higher than I've been in a long time. Didn't last more than 30 mins tho
Here's a few pics of the harvest...
SEEDS
Now comes the really confusing/interesting part lol. I've found 2 conflicting philosophies. The first says that a self pollinated hermie seed will retain the genetics of the mother and have a 95% female rate. Basically meaning I've struck gold! The second philosophy says hermie plants produce hermie seeds. I'm hoping its the first. From what I've found hermie plants will only produce hermie seeds if the plant hermied genetically vs through stress but I'm not sure as I've found opposite opinions everywhere.
Lets say the first philosophy is true and I have struck gold with tons of free fem auto seeds. How will I know which seeds were developed through self pollination and which seeds were crosses? What I mean is what if only 1 plant hermied and pollinated the others?
I have watched these plants like a hawk everyday multiple times a day. I never saw any male parts at all. Even now I can't find any male flowers but I'm not positive on what I'm looking for. I've seen plenty of pics of banana shaped male flowers and my plants have none. I was watching a video that made it sound like the male flowers would grow right into the female flowers and pollinate with their stamen but never showing a banana shaped flower.
At this point they're pollinated and their growing seeds so theirs not much I can do. My dilemma is whether I chop early to prevent more seeds or let them grow the seeds to maturity. In order to decide this I need to know if my seeds will be any good.
Blue Cheese x Critical Jack seems like a good cross to me lol but again I have no way of knowing who pollinated who and whether the seeds will be hermie, regular, or feminized
I appreciate any insight you guys can give me on this. Thanks for all the help you guys have given me. I wouldn't have gotten this far without you.
I'm freaking out! Lol No, but seriously I have a situation. Really hope you guys can help me with this. I've tried researching online for hours and I'm just not finding the answers.
Last night I discovered that all of my plants except the Mazar have seeds!!!! How the hell did this happen?
This is what I've found out. There's a few different possibilities. First, I know without a doubt I have had 0 males so that eliminates that possibility. That leaves hermaphroditism. Based on my research I've learned a few scenarios that can case autos to hermie.
One possibility is as the near the end of their life cycle they begin to grow seeds as a last ditch effort when they realize they're about to die.
Another more likely possibility as I'm dealing with reputable seed banks is stress. Of course as a noob this is the most obvious. I haven't been easy on these girls. They have had tons of temp variations between 68-88. They've had their light schedule changed mid flower. They were LST'd quite aggressively. And finally what I believe is the culprit is nute stress due to a salt lockout.
Okay so that's the easy part. Now is the tough part because I don't know what the quality will be of my final product. I'm guessing it will still be excellent because I'm not finding more than a few seeds on each plant so far but my yield will be lower and of course ill have a few seeds to pick out of my bags.
This doesn't seem like a big problem but for me it was devastating. I pride myself on perfection and attention to detail. I spent hundreds of hours of research and specifically bought feminized seeds through reputable seed banks to ensure this wouldn't happen. It was also a huge shot to my ego because I felt like I was doing an excellent job on this grow.
I was so devastated about finding the seeds I needed some positive vibes so I decided to chop my critical jack. She was flushed for about 6 days. I realize I should've flushed her longer and had her sit in the dark for a few days but I was freaking our and figured what the hell it's my first plant and I've got plenty more. Plus I'd only found a few seeds on my CJ and they were immature so I figured by taking her down now I could prevent further seeds. Unfortunately I didn't have all the supplies to do docs bud wash but will do that for the rest.
THE HARVEST
I didn't find anymore seeds except 2 so far. She smells amazing and was so sticky!
It was my first trim in almost 10 years lol. I think I did an ok job. I ended up with 95 grams wet. Hoping for 20 grams dry and ill be happy seems how she's my first/smallest. I've got her hang drying in my wardrobe box. There's a fan in there on low circulating the air but not blowing on the plant directly. My temps about 70 and humidity around 60%. I did get a decent amount of trim and popcorn buds. I'm going to try and make a small batch of hash to get some practice before I do a big run. Ill be happy with even a G of full melt off of her. I put all the trim in a baggy and straight to the freezer. Going to try making it tonight.
We did get a nice little scissor hash patty. Put it on top of a bowl and got higher than I've been in a long time. Didn't last more than 30 mins tho
Here's a few pics of the harvest...
SEEDS
Now comes the really confusing/interesting part lol. I've found 2 conflicting philosophies. The first says that a self pollinated hermie seed will retain the genetics of the mother and have a 95% female rate. Basically meaning I've struck gold! The second philosophy says hermie plants produce hermie seeds. I'm hoping its the first. From what I've found hermie plants will only produce hermie seeds if the plant hermied genetically vs through stress but I'm not sure as I've found opposite opinions everywhere.
Lets say the first philosophy is true and I have struck gold with tons of free fem auto seeds. How will I know which seeds were developed through self pollination and which seeds were crosses? What I mean is what if only 1 plant hermied and pollinated the others?
I have watched these plants like a hawk everyday multiple times a day. I never saw any male parts at all. Even now I can't find any male flowers but I'm not positive on what I'm looking for. I've seen plenty of pics of banana shaped male flowers and my plants have none. I was watching a video that made it sound like the male flowers would grow right into the female flowers and pollinate with their stamen but never showing a banana shaped flower.
At this point they're pollinated and their growing seeds so theirs not much I can do. My dilemma is whether I chop early to prevent more seeds or let them grow the seeds to maturity. In order to decide this I need to know if my seeds will be any good.
Blue Cheese x Critical Jack seems like a good cross to me lol but again I have no way of knowing who pollinated who and whether the seeds will be hermie, regular, or feminized
I appreciate any insight you guys can give me on this. Thanks for all the help you guys have given me. I wouldn't have gotten this far without you.
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mrbubbles87
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C'mon any responses guys?
I can't be the only person who's experienced this. So far based on my research I've concluded that the seeds my plants produce will be feminized because there is no male chromosome. That means I may have just accidentally struck gold. I've found tons of conflicting information online. This article here (Feminized Seeds And Hermaphroditism - A Clarification...) is the best I've found so far.
This guy sounds like he really knows what he talking about and has scientific evidence to prove it.
Now my question is do I hold off harvesting til the seeds reach maturity potentially supplying me with tons of feminized auto seeds but diminishing my yields/potency and having to pick more seeds out or do I harvest ASAP to prevent more seeds from growing.
The seeds I posted in my pics are slightly green but I think they're are some that are turning brown.
And finally I still have no way of confirming if all the plants hermied or if just one did and pollinated the rest. As I stated before I have 0 male flowers that I can see. I'm hoping they all self pollinated themselves but if one did the pollinate the rest I could have some interesting crosses.
I did confirm that all my plants have seeds the Mazar included. The Mazar and Blue cheese which I thought had the furthest left before harvest have quite a few seeds. The berry Ryder's have hardly any. Thinking I may harvest the berry Ryder's ASAP and then let the blue cheese and Mazar grow til the seeds are mature.
Honestly I don't know what to do I'm just trying to stay positive because free seeds or not I'm still really bummed that this happened. I was so proud of my girls. Everytime I looked at them it made me so happy. Now whenever I look at them my heart just breaks. My wife keeps telling me its only my first and they still look great but it doesn't it help because I spent so much time and money to prevent this situation. Plus I feel like a complete idiot. I've been examining every inch of these plants sometimes 3 times a day and I never saw seeds. Now when I look at them I seem them everywhere on the Mazar.
Here's a few pic. I can't locate a single male flower on any of them for the life of me. I did find these under each bud but originally when I researched and asked about these I was told they're female calyxes.
I can't be the only person who's experienced this. So far based on my research I've concluded that the seeds my plants produce will be feminized because there is no male chromosome. That means I may have just accidentally struck gold. I've found tons of conflicting information online. This article here (Feminized Seeds And Hermaphroditism - A Clarification...) is the best I've found so far.
This guy sounds like he really knows what he talking about and has scientific evidence to prove it.
Now my question is do I hold off harvesting til the seeds reach maturity potentially supplying me with tons of feminized auto seeds but diminishing my yields/potency and having to pick more seeds out or do I harvest ASAP to prevent more seeds from growing.
The seeds I posted in my pics are slightly green but I think they're are some that are turning brown.
And finally I still have no way of confirming if all the plants hermied or if just one did and pollinated the rest. As I stated before I have 0 male flowers that I can see. I'm hoping they all self pollinated themselves but if one did the pollinate the rest I could have some interesting crosses.
I did confirm that all my plants have seeds the Mazar included. The Mazar and Blue cheese which I thought had the furthest left before harvest have quite a few seeds. The berry Ryder's have hardly any. Thinking I may harvest the berry Ryder's ASAP and then let the blue cheese and Mazar grow til the seeds are mature.
Honestly I don't know what to do I'm just trying to stay positive because free seeds or not I'm still really bummed that this happened. I was so proud of my girls. Everytime I looked at them it made me so happy. Now whenever I look at them my heart just breaks. My wife keeps telling me its only my first and they still look great but it doesn't it help because I spent so much time and money to prevent this situation. Plus I feel like a complete idiot. I've been examining every inch of these plants sometimes 3 times a day and I never saw seeds. Now when I look at them I seem them everywhere on the Mazar.
Here's a few pic. I can't locate a single male flower on any of them for the life of me. I did find these under each bud but originally when I researched and asked about these I was told they're female calyxes.
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mrbubbles87
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Pretty sure at this point I either stressed all of them or one of them into a late flower hermaphrodite.
Based on my research I should be producing feminized seeds either way. I realize I'm passing on a hermi trait but I don't think that's an issue as I caused them to hermi and they didn't hermi naturally. Looks like I won't be buying auto seeds for a long time lol.
So I guess I may have accidentally grown myself quite a few feminized seeds. I'm going to flush for another week and then harvest the tops. Ill leave the lower branches for the seeds to mature. I was lucky that most of the plants were pretty late in flower already so still huge buds, lots of thc, and not too many seeds.
This leads me to believe either my Mazar or my Blue Cheese was the culprit because these plants have he most seeds and the least bud but I could be wrong.
Hopefully after I grow a few of these seeds I can determine if there was a cross.
I still have 6 photos to flower so hopefully I can prevent these ones from turning on me. I know ill be ordering a ph meter ASAP lol
Based on my research I should be producing feminized seeds either way. I realize I'm passing on a hermi trait but I don't think that's an issue as I caused them to hermi and they didn't hermi naturally. Looks like I won't be buying auto seeds for a long time lol.
So I guess I may have accidentally grown myself quite a few feminized seeds. I'm going to flush for another week and then harvest the tops. Ill leave the lower branches for the seeds to mature. I was lucky that most of the plants were pretty late in flower already so still huge buds, lots of thc, and not too many seeds.
This leads me to believe either my Mazar or my Blue Cheese was the culprit because these plants have he most seeds and the least bud but I could be wrong.
Hopefully after I grow a few of these seeds I can determine if there was a cross.
I still have 6 photos to flower so hopefully I can prevent these ones from turning on me. I know ill be ordering a ph meter ASAP lol
congratulations on your harvest!