MrBubbles Perpetual Grow

[mrbubbles87]

Tried out some cloning last night for the first time in a long time lol. I took 4 small clones off of my bagseed plant that recently showed female pistils under a 20/4 light schedule.

I tried two different methods. I put one clone straight into a soil pot after putting on cloning gel. For the remaining three I decided to try something a little more interesting. I built a homemade bubble bucket. I basically used a 1gal square ice cream bucket, light proofed it, and cut 4 holes in the lid. I made 3 small plastic discs out of plastic cups with a slice halfway through and a small hole in the middle. I put the 3 clones into the disc and taped them into the lid. The remaining hole I used for my air pump lines and made a flap to go over the top. I think it actually worked out pretty well. Just used stuff laying around the house. Only time will tell how successful it is lol


Here's a few pics....

 

[mrbubbles87]

Update Day 54:

All the girls seem to be really healthy. Really no issues to report. They are fattening up and starting to smell better everyday.

I am noticing some distinct differences between some of the plants. Basically I have 3 tall ones with 4 main colas each and then 3 smaller bushier ones with aprox 8-10 colas each. Guess this will be a good test for me to see which method works better.

The critical jack does have very light colored leaves. Not sure what's causing this but the plant still looks really healthy. I am seeing a bit of browning tips on a few possibly nute burn or nute def. Not really sure tbh but they still seem really healthy so just going to keep trudging along.

Today I fed them each 4-6 cups of water/feed. One thing I've noticed over the last few weeks is how low the Tiger Bloom drops my PH. I have to add tons of PH up to get it to an acceptable level. I may have to order more PH up soon which is crazy. Normally it just takes a few drops per gallon but I've been using 3-4 full syringes each time.

My feed today included:

1tblspn Big Bloom
2tsp Grow Big
2tsp Tiger Bloom
1tblspn molasses
1tsp epsom salt

4-6 cups each
All per gal with a total of 2gals mixed.

Now it's just a waiting game. Really hoping a few of them are done soon but I think I've got at least 2-3 weeks left. I may be under a time crunch here too unfortunately. I might be moving on Oct 14th. I need to have all of them dried and curing by this date. I really don't want to pull any early. The move isn't for sure yet though. I have an interview today that will give me a better idea.

In the meantime here's some pics....

Autos:

Berry Ryder 1

Berry Ryder 2

Berry Ryder 3

Critical Jack

Blue Cheese

Mazar

The Group

Some random bud and tent shots

Photos Update:

Well my older seedlings, the Blue OG and Ultrasour, both seem to be stagnant at the moment. Not sure if they are just taking longer due to being photos or if I'm doing something wrong. Right now they're under 20/4 t12's. They are both19 days old and tiny. I haven't added any nutes. Thinking that's my next option. They can't be ready for transplant yet. Let me know what you guys think. Here's a few pics...

Blue OG

Ultrasour

My other 2 seedlings under the same lights and in the same soil seem to be doing great. They are both 11 days old.

Blue Thai

Dinachem

Finally my pitiful attempt at clones lol. I don't remember having a problem with clones before but these ones sure don't seem to be doing well. I tried planting one in soil with root powder and the other 3 in my bubble bucket. Not seeing any roots I'm the bubble bucket and the soil one seems droopy. They all have purple stems and leaves are starting to turn brown. Do they need a foliar feeding? Or should I throw them and try again? Here's the pics...

The little plant is actually a lemon tree sprout. I reused this pot and apparently a seed was still left

The Bubbler

The veg area

Well that's all for now. Sorry it's soooo huge lol. Appreciate any comments or feedback to my questions. Also want to thank everyone on this site I wouldn't be where I'm at without all of your help.

 

[mrbubbles87]

Well after being completely out of medicine for 3 days my wife and I broke down decided to try a small sample.

I know it's not good to pick early. Can cause stunting and lower yields etc etc but we were even out of resin.

I took a very small lower bud from my Berry Ryder 3. I microwaved it on 20% power for 1 min at a time for aprox 7 mins total. I microwaved it in a plastic Tupperware with a dry paper towel on bottom, a moist towel over the top, and the lid 3/4 of the way on. I then put it in my grinder and ended up with 2 small bowls.

My expectations were very low. I was expecting it to be very harsh and nasty tasting because it hasn't been flushed yet. Surprisingly it was pretty smooth and didn't taste bad. We even smoked it out of a glass steam roller. We both got a really strong head high that lasted over 2 hours.

Now we both can't wait to see how the final product turns out. Guessing about 3-4 weeks before any will be ready.

In the meantime I don't plan on sampling any more. Mainly I just wanted my wife to try it because she gets frustrated with how much time and money I spend taking care of them. Now shes very understanding lol Plus I think every grower needs to sample early at least once so they understand why it's important to wait.

 

[mrbubbles87]

Clones 2.0

My first batch of clones didn't do well. I failed to include nutrients, a humidity dome, scrap the stems, trim the leaves, and monitor the temps/humidity in my veg area.

I decided to just throw out the old ones and try again seems how I have plenty clones I can take from my bagseed plant. Basically I'm just trying to get my cloning down before its time to clone my Seedbank seedlings.

This time I did 3 clones in my bubbler with 1tblspn of big bloom per 1gal. I also did 4 clones in soil which I watered with the same mix. I then placed all the clones and my seedlings under a humidity dome.

I did remove one of my T12 lights because I read I didn't need that much light plus I want to make sure I keep the temps low. Ill keep you guys posted on how they turn out this time.

Here's a cpl pics:

 

[CA215]

I have found a good way to quick dry samples, set them on your ballast when it is warm and running. Seems to dry these babies out in a day or so just tried for the first time last night and the nug is still a little damp but I should be able to sample it later tonight Sorry to hear about those clones bubbles, if it makes it any better out of the 20+ clones I took I too f'd up and ended up scraping the bunch Will be nice to see how that g-13 blue turns out Great looking plants bubbles!

CA

 

[mrbubbles87]

I have found a good way to quick dry samples, set them on your ballast when it is warm and running. Seems to dry these babies out in a day or so just tried for the first time last night and the nug is still a little damp but I should be able to sample it later tonight Sorry to hear about those clones bubbles, if it makes it any better out of the 20+ clones I took I too f'd up and ended up scraping the bunch Will be nice to see how that g-13 blue turns out Great looking plants bubbles!

CA

Someone is actually still following this! Lol Thanks CA I was starting to think no one was following this journal anymore. I really appreciate all your feedback.

I actually spent several hours yesterday researching quick dry methods. I did read about putting it on a ballast or even using dry ice. I was looking for less than 30 mins tho so the microwave steam dry actually worked really well for me.

I don't plant on trying anymore samples going forward. Just figured WTH cuz we were completely out and desperate. That's prolly the first time I've been out for more than a day I several years. If I do sample again ill def try the ballast method.

What id really like to get is a good microscope. Any recommendations? On the fence between a handheld or a stand one. Im considering the handheld 420 mini microscope for around $15 or a super powerful stand microscope. I realize with a stand I will have to cut small leaves to look at the trichs but I've heard the handhelds are hard to focus unless you put the material on a flat surface.

Sorry to hear about your clones. About 8 years ago I had 100% success rate just using clone powder, peat discs, and a humidity dome. Guess I just got lucky back then. Jorge Cervantes was even saying his success rate is usually 50% so going forward that will be my expectations. That's why I took 7 clones. I'm only hoping to have 2 good clones. I'm trying to compare cloning with a bubbler vs soil. Soil is much easier especially cuz that's my preferred growing method but I've heard the bubbler is a lot faster and more successful. I also heard you didn't need a humidity done with a bubbler but that turned out to be wrong so we shall see lol

Also, you should try comparing the microwave steam dry vs the ballast dry if your testing samples now. I'm curious to see if there's much of a difference because 5mins vs 24hrs is a lot of time.

 

[KingJohnC]

i would not use any nutrients when you are trying to clone your cuttings, i have tried using nutrient and have better results not using nutrients.

 

[CA215]

I'm still here watching I am usually quiet and come through and leave some likes to let people know i'm still paying attention, when I can! Man i've been busy starting school again, wasn't ready for all of this With the one sample I took from the pineapple I feel that one is good, I will take up your experiment idea. When lights turn on I will remove another sample, this time from the girl scout cookie I will attempt the microwave method which should allow me to smoke both samples side by side with them both hopefully dried. what's funny is I was looking at that 420 handhelp you are talking about, and the Aven I decided to purchase. Reason being is I wanted to be able to post the micros I took to 420magazine, and with the handheld I wasn't able to do that. This Aven has truly been a great buy. I will be attempting cloning here again soon and am hoping for a little better luck I was having issues with my 18/6 set up in my closet 3 feet away from my 12/12 tent, I hated that extra light hitting my girls that were asleep, going to construct a 2x3 or 2x4 to house my veg plants here soon Should start getting interesting. Keep up the great work bubbles, kickass garden

 

[mrbubbles87]

I'm still here watching I am usually quiet and come through and leave some likes to let people know i'm still paying attention, when I can! Man i've been busy starting school again, wasn't ready for all of this With the one sample I took from the pineapple I feel that one is good, I will take up your experiment idea. When lights turn on I will remove another sample, this time from the girl scout cookie I will attempt the microwave method which should allow me to smoke both samples side by side with them both hopefully dried. what's funny is I was looking at that 420 handhelp you are talking about, and the Aven I decided to purchase. Reason being is I wanted to be able to post the micros I took to 420magazine, and with the handheld I wasn't able to do that. This Aven has truly been a great buy. I will be attempting cloning here again soon and am hoping for a little better luck I was having issues with my 18/6 set up in my closet 3 feet away from my 12/12 tent, I hated that extra light hitting my girls that were asleep, going to construct a 2x3 or 2x4 to house my veg plants here soon Should start getting interesting. Keep up the great work bubbles, kickass garden

Thanks for sticking with me CA! I mainly use my iPhone on here so I only see likes when I go on my PC. At this point the whole process feels like its going super slow so my apologies if I sounded winey. Just sick of spending all my extra money on the shitty stuff around here.

I hear ya about school. Fortunately I'm done myself so it's just work. Most days I'm plenty exhausted from that tho lol.

Did you ever try out the experiment?

I may be leaning towards the iPhone attachment microscope because I can then load pics directly from my phone and I found a kit that also includes a telescopic lens. Not looking to buy that anytime soon though. Just relying on the leaves to tell me when to start flushing. Those USB microscopes look badass though so who knows maybe ill end up going high end by time I buy one lol. Really loved the pics yours took.

Still struggling with my seedling/clones. They are doing quite better under the humidity some. The bubbler clones still don't seem to be doing nearly as well as the soil ones.

My older seedling are still very stunted and the lower leaves are yellowing. Thinking its a nute def even though they seem too small for nutes. I did give them a foliar feeding with 1/4tsp per 2ltr of grow big. Will be feeding it with nutes in the next few days to hopefully help.

 

[mrbubbles87]

Fed them all last night. Thinking ill start flushing 3 of the 6 girls in approximately 15 days. Then the remaining 3 girls 15 days later. Want to make sure they get plenty of time to fatten up.

I am noticing what appears to be a cal/mag def on my critical jack. The older leaves are a yellow/green. I did try spraying with epsom salt but doesn't seem to be helping. Hoping the feed from yesterday will improve her. She seemed to be one of the thirstiest. Unfortunately that's a downside to having multiple strains. I feed the all the same but their needs are all slightly different. The only other reason I can think of is she's getting close to done. Critical jack calls for 70 days and she's about 58 days right now. It doesn't seem like she's done cuz the buds are not that fat yet.

A good portion of my plants are showing about 30% red hairs. I believe they need at least two more weeks before I start flushing. Here's a few pics...

 

[Backpackin420]

Looking good man!!! Keep up the good work!

 

[mrbubbles87]

Looking good man!!! Keep up the good work!

Thanks!

 

[mrbubbles87]

Update Day 62

I'm starting to have some problems with my girls. They're all showing what appears to be a cal/mag def. I'm not positive though. I have been adding epsom salt/molasses with each feeding but apparently not enough. I did double my molasses/epsom salt dosage in my feed today so I'm hoping to see an improvement. I'm also concerned that maybe I've locked out cal/mag but over feeding other nutrients. I haven't seen any nute burn that I can see.

My critical jack is really getting yellow leaves bad. Almost like she's ready to harvest but she's not very fat and according to the Seedbank should take at least 70 days. What further confuses me is I'm not seeing a cal/mag def on 3 of my plants. I can't say it's strain specific though because I have 2 berry ryder's that aren't showing cal/mag and 1 that is. Just hoping they can hold out til they get fat and ripe.

My feed today included:

1tblspn Big Bloom
2tsp Tiger Bloom
2tblspn molasses
2tsp Epsom salts

All per gal with 5 cups per plant.

Blue Cheese (Showing yellow/green leaves which appears to be cal/mag def)

Berry Ryder 1 (Not showing any deficiencies. Seems very healthy. Slightly behind my BR 3. Also hoping to harvest by 9/15.)

Berry Ryder 2 (My prize plant! She started as my runt. Even broke her main stalk during early LST. Now she has turned into monster. She's growing 4 huge main colas and towers over all my other girls. She's supposed to take 60 days but I can easily see her hitting 80!!! Planning to take her by 9/31 but could end up going longer. Unfortunately she's beginning to show some type of deficiency as well. I'm guessing its cal/mag.)

Berry Ryder 3 (Not showing yellow/green leaves but leaf tips and sides are curling upwards. Also believe this to be a cal mag def. This is my furthest plant and hope to harvest by 9/15. Unfortunately she isn't turning purple like the pic on the seed banks site lol)

Critical Jack (Has the most severe case of what appears to be cal/mag def. Has several large fan leaves completely yellow. This ones confusing me because she has tons of red hairs and I know autos are supposed to be done when the leaves start charging. She's supposed to take 70 days also. Thinking ill chop her on 9/15.)

Mazar (She's looking very healthy. Not showing any deficiencies. She will take the longest but I'm hoping for a big yield. This girl could take til 10/15 which will be close to 90 days but we'll see how she comes along.)

The Group

The Bagseed

Today I decided to build my dry box. I purchased a grand wardrobe box from uhaul for $11.95. I attached my 4in active intake to a hole I cut towards the top of the box. I also cut a small slot of the bottom of the opposite side. I covered the slot with black weed fabric to block out the light. I'm hoping cool air will be sucked in through the fabric, past the buds hanging on the rod, into the 4in intake to my tent and out through the carbon filter. Basically hoping to keep it dark, ventilated, and odor free. It looks pretty sweet. Seems to work well and my temp gage is reading 68 degrees and 50% humidity but I'm concerned that once plants are hanging in there the humidity will spike. Plus I'm concerned there won't be enough negative pressure to keep the odor down. Here's a few pics...

And finally a small update on my seedlings. They're doing slightly better. I still need to add nutes but they're just not drying up. I took the humidity dome and also tried a little experiment. I made a small hanging shelf in my tent to put the two older seedlings. I know they're not under direct light but even indirect has to be better than the t12's. Plus I'm hoping they'll dry up so I can finally feed them. Not sure if ill take it down yet or not lol

I've also recently purchased 3 5gal buckets which ill use got washing my buds and also making hash. I order my hash bags and hydrometer for my curing hard as well. Hoping to make some ice hash after the first harvest on 9/15. Might be purchasing the Viper Trinity Vaporizer Pen package to smoke my ice hash out of. Any opinions on a vape pen for ice wax?

Well that's all for now. I appreciate any advice you guys can give me. I'm really in the dark at this point and just going by instinct lol. Starting to get concerned with my deficiencies or possibly nute lock out. Also concerned about when some of these need to be harvested and how much more weight they'll pack on.

 

[KingJohnC]

you need a 30x jewelers loupe to see the tricomes and judge when to harvest. most people harvest from 5%-30% amber trichomes. harvest at 5%-15% amber trichomes for a "head high" energetic effect and harvest at 30%-50% amber trichomes for a "body stone" sedative effect strain dependent.

 

[mrbubbles87]

you need a 30x jewelers loupe to see the tricomes and judge when to harvest. most people harvest from 5%-30% amber trichomes. harvest at 5%-15% amber trichomes for a "head high" energetic effect and harvest at 30%-50% amber trichomes for a "body stone" sedative effect strain dependent.

https://www.google.com search 30x jewelers loupe

Thanks John! Unfortunately I only have a 10x jeweler's loupe so it's difficult to see them clearly. It appears to be 50 cloudy 50 clear right now. I've just heard with autos the trichs can be tricky pardon my pun lol. Mostly what I've read says to watch the leaves and they'll tell you when to start flushing. That's why my critical jack has me confused. It didn't out on nearly as much weight as I was hoping but the leaves are yellowing.

I believe this is due to 1 of 3 reasons. I either have ph lockout, nute lockout, or cal/mag def. As you know ph has been a struggle for me since the beginning due to only having the ph drops. Once I started adding tiger bloom to my feed my ph dropped to below 5. I have to add a ton of Ph up to get it between 6.5-7.

I have been following the fox farm soil nutrient schedule at full dosage using grow big, big bloom, and tiger bloom. I have also been adding 1tblspm molasses and 1tsp epsom salt with every feeding. I'm wondering if I have created a nute lockout or salt buildup?

A member on another site suggested increasing to 2tblspn molasses which I did with yesterday's feeding. I also increased my epsom salt to 2tsp. Hoping this will cure a cal/mag def if that's the issue. This morning they didn't seem any better. They actually seemed worse. One of my plants has leaf tips and sides curling upwards. One is getting brown spots all over it. And my seedlings still aren't doing well. It appears after a run of good luck things are getting more difficult lol.

 

[KingJohnC]

have you considered that adding 2xtsp Epsom salts per gallon may have created a nutrient issue by locking out calcium that you are seeing. the safest thing to do is flush your plants that are affected with twice the volume as the pot size with pH adjusted water.

 

[mrbubbles87]

have you considered that adding 2xtsp Epsom salts per gallon may have created a nutrient issue by locking out calcium that you are seeing. the safest thing to do is flush your plants that are affected with twice the volume as the pot size with pH adjusted water.

I've have considered the possibility of a nute lockout. I have been only using 1tsp epsom salt per gal and just used 2tsp yesterday to try and cure what I thought was a cal/mag def. I'm waiting to do a complete flush til their next feeding on Sunday.

In the meantime I'm trying a foliar feed with grow big, big bloom, tiger bloom, and epsom salt. I'm spraying them 1 hour before lights on. Hoping this will be a temporary solution. On Sunday I'm going to water them all with straight water, check the runoff ph, and feed again 3 days later.

Do you think it's safe to wait or should I do an emergency flush?

 

[KingJohnC]

I am saying have you considered that constantly feeding Epsom salts where there was no magnesium deficiency has created a micro nutrient imbalance and may now be locking out nutrients. when your plants are worsening the easiest thing to do is consider everything you are feeding and why and decrease everything that you are feeding until the plants stabilize. the safest thing to do is flush your plants with twice the volume as the pot size with pH adjusted water.

 

[mrbubbles87]

I am saying have you considered that constantly feeding Epsom salts where there was no magnesium deficiency has created a micro nutrient imbalance and may now be locking out nutrients. when your plants are worsening the easiest thing to do is consider everything you are feeding and why and decrease everything that you are feeding until the plants stabilize. the safest thing to do is flush your plants with twice the volume as the pot size with pH adjusted water.

That's exactly what I'm thinking has happened. Either that or ph lockout. I did take your advice and flushed each of the plants today. My water was about 7 going in and came out pretty much the same. I really beed a ph meter and ppm meter for future grows.

I think my biggest mistake was feeding them every watering. From now on ill be alternating from straight water and nutrient feeds.

Unfortunately I didn't have enough ph'd water to flush twice the pot volume. I did flush about 3 gallons through each of them 1gal at a time and my the 3rd gal the runoff was pretty clear. I'm going to wait 3 days and then feed them again with a lower dosage of nutrients as well. My only question is in the meantime should I foliar feed them?

Thanks for all the advice!

 

[CA215]

Some good info, just doing a drive by bubbles! Plants are looking good man, mine are way yellower Love the mazar, wondering if they are similar to the mazari sharif seeds I picked up.. Thinking about poping these next!

I did the microwave test vs. the ballast test.

The microwave test (idk if I did it right). I waited about 12 hours after pulling and cleaning the buds with doc buds cleaning teqhnique, then micro'd at low for about 12 seconds.. it was more than enough, the bud seemed to get wetter.. I think this was because of the wetness from being cleaned in the water then re distributing when it was heated up, almost making a condensation. So I have set the nug on the ballast covered by a glass jar to let it finish off. then I will give them a side by side smoke test!

Good day to you mrbubbles!

CA