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Yea i can see, any idea what's going on with them ?
MGD420 Grow Journal: Jan 2022
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Yea i can see, any idea what's going on with them ?
First got ask did you use sodium phosphate aka Espon salt did ya. Cause that would explain alot.
I'm leaning one two things for sure.
Little touch phosphorus and chlorine burn on two of them. And one reminds me of sulfur and u can only get that using sodium phosphate which is Espon salt . And I don't have clue why hell people would even use that. It's got sulfur in it. And it kills everything.
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Yes I did use epsom salts but I don't know where your going with that.
Even though it has salt in the name its not actually salt (sodium chloride ) like you suggested in a pm.
It's magnesium sulfate not sodium phosphate.
I'll leave this for someone with more knowledge in chemicals to explain the difference.
Correct. Sorry idk why I wrote phosphate . Ok.
Epsom salt is also known as magnesium sulfate. It's a chemical compound made up of magnesium, sulfur, and oxygen.
That why u have mag burn and sulfur burn which looks like clorine burn
your buckets are massive for hempy. i doubt you are really getting much of a dry cycle if any right now. a dry cycle is a requirement.
hempy actually works better with smaller buckets. the size you are going with are more for dwc or rdwc. smaller buckets will help you avoid nute, ph ,and root issues, and cost far less in the amount of nutrient you need to mix for a grow.
your bucket size probably is contributing to the issue.
i'm not so sure about the mix of clay pebble and coco. i'd simplify the media as well. i'm not much of a fan of coco in hempy. coco works best on it's own with a fabric pot. coco and hempy are very close to each other except for that.
the hole is placed 2 and 1/4 inches from the bottom of the bucket.
i don't like that nute line. if you use it, then use it on it's own with the recommended schedule provided by AN. use it the way they intend it. it will not work for every plant. that's been shown time after time on this board with that nute in any media. but it will probably get the rest to finish.
i'm not sure what you are using epsom for but it isn't going to address what's going on.
hempy actually works better with smaller buckets. the size you are going with are more for dwc or rdwc. smaller buckets will help you avoid nute, ph ,and root issues, and cost far less in the amount of nutrient you need to mix for a grow.
your bucket size probably is contributing to the issue.
i'm not so sure about the mix of clay pebble and coco. i'd simplify the media as well. i'm not much of a fan of coco in hempy. coco works best on it's own with a fabric pot. coco and hempy are very close to each other except for that.
the hole is placed 2 and 1/4 inches from the bottom of the bucket.
i don't like that nute line. if you use it, then use it on it's own with the recommended schedule provided by AN. use it the way they intend it. it will not work for every plant. that's been shown time after time on this board with that nute in any media. but it will probably get the rest to finish.
i'm not sure what you are using epsom for but it isn't going to address what's going on.
Well I can give u a lesson but by time I get done ur plants will be dead. Geology and chemical make of metals and minerals . Which is alot to do with dirt and rocks. That I spent last 27 years in. And 136 hrs with two degrees in micro and energy. But I'm not. Oh and lived on a farm all my life famring plants and raising cows. Up to age of 25. But ok. Hope you figure it out.. dont like answer I understand . Just trying to help. Espon salt has sulfur in it. And sulfur kills plants and animals.
Good luck
Good luck
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The plants were looking this way long before it was ever suggested by @FelipeBlu to use epsom, the plants have had one feeding with the epsom.
There's clearly more than that going on with the plants.
I wasnt trying to tear apart your reply about the use of Epsom but preferably suggestions on how the issue can be resolved would be more helpful especially for newer growers like myself since there so much misinformation out there it gets confusing.
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Again this doesn't help resolve the issue I'm having with my plants, giving helpful and informative suggestions might.
Flush is all u can do. Till that sulfur gets out. If it does . Why I tried like hell to help u not listen to that guy.. chances of u getting the right amount your plants near impossible.
I'm sorry. But nothing u can do. Flush flush and flush hope like hell want kill the entire plant. I don't know anything that can help the plant but flushing it now no reversing it that I know of
U give anything just going make it worse.. cause what sulfur does it combines to other elements like magnesium clorine and many others. Sulfur alone is useless. It's only used to combine elements is all. Like copper is to metal. And zinc. Which with aluminum makes ur pennies and change hard. Combined.
Why no one wants to use Espon salt. To hard to use and it screws the plants up. Tried to warn ya.
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Yea I understand they're huge, I also get where you mentioned on my first grow where it would take a lot longer for the roots to reach the reservoir due to the size of the bucket. Everything you've said I agree with and makes sense.
Last time I sued the AN nutes they were pretty much in the early stages of flower, all the way through veg they were being fed canna a and b. I would rather give the plants whatever was going to keep them healthy.
It was suggested that I give them a small amount of Epsom as i was told the plants had a magnesium deficiency. They've had one feeding with the epsom.
What would be your suggestions from here on out to try get the plants in better health.
Hey u can cut some of the roots effect off and leaves. U can see roots effect be not like other roots maybe brownsih black sometimes but even that risky
yeah as i stated previous a flush and reset is the recommended action.
a flush in hempy is different from a soil flush. i would do it as a flood and drain with h2o2 and the hole blocked. let it sit for 20 to 45 min then drain.
i feed in a similar fashion as well.
part of what i feel is problematic is the size of the res. you have to run far too much through to keep that res healthy at feedings. plus it can't get a dry cycle. that leads direct to ph and root issues.
he's in hydroton and coco. and there's there's no net pot. trimming the roots would be extremely difficult to fatal. you can do it in perlite in this style of grow but that's it.
a flush in hempy is different from a soil flush. i would do it as a flood and drain with h2o2 and the hole blocked. let it sit for 20 to 45 min then drain.
i feed in a similar fashion as well.
part of what i feel is problematic is the size of the res. you have to run far too much through to keep that res healthy at feedings. plus it can't get a dry cycle. that leads direct to ph and root issues.
he's in hydroton and coco. and there's there's no net pot. trimming the roots would be extremely difficult to fatal. you can do it in perlite in this style of grow but that's it.
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Yes you sent me a pm mentioning the use of epsom after I had fed the plant's.
Would flushing with pH water work for flushing.
After flush then what ?
There way u can counter act the salt. I'm calling a friend now trying to get answer from him
ph water alone won't correct any root issues. h2o2 clears the root zone of dead and dying material, and provides an 02 boost
wait 24 hrs then re-feed with balanced nutes
Lime. Only thing that counter acts it