Mars-Hydro LED Grow Light Discussion

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OK folks Sara is the best !!!! she puts effort in always, but you have to understand she also is working for a Chinese manufacturer and the American, UK AU,market is what they target. That being said the balancing act is important for her I'm sure.. Now that we have seen several factory so called improvements through the recent year's I think they should slow down and look more at what the market is looking for ! ( Its not remote control for most) maybe spectrum selection, cooler running, less power consumption, and of course the best possible bang for the US Buck.!! ect. With my rant done now LOL plugged again puff puff nite nite.

 

[LEDBud]

Some people aren't happy unless they spend a big wad of cash others have little cash , I fit into the later and was happy to find Mars.
There will always be a affordable line I Imagine/hope/bet.

 

[Mars Hydro]

Hi cali, don't feel confused, 2pcs MarsII 1200w is enough for the bloom in the 120x240x200cm. It will work well.

I do not know what to buy , I'm confused . Is it enough for me to bloom ? X2 1200w to tent 120X240X200 CM

 

[Mars Hydro]

thank you for the help. It's a very constructive advice. The center light is usually stronger than the side light.

That sounds good for your 4x8 space.
My reasons is the light formula used for for led's is 30-50w per sq ft 50w being more desirable and used for flowering in my opinion.

The 1200w Mars II panels consume about 600w each 1200w divided by the 4x8 floor space works out to 37w per sq ft

Two 1600w panels in that space works out 50w a sq ft


I believe they actually tell you that HID lights do well under 50w a sq ft and LED's do well under 30w a sq ft.

Many people like to use 50w a sq ft for leds in flower to maximize speed and size but 37w a sq ft is still very good for LED's.


If your plants are away from the sides of the tent by 15cm on all four sides the 1200w panels would be outputting more like 42w per sq ft in the reduced space.

 

[Mars Hydro]

Cali, 2pcs 1200w is enough to do a good job while 2pcs 1600w will be better to maxmize the possibility of better result.

So you advise me to buy 1600w ? or 1200W will do great job

 

[Mars Hydro]

agreed, thanks for the help, super~

LEDbud is correct. 2 1200s will work fine. 2 1600s will work better. If you can afford 2 1600s, I would do that.

 

[Mars Hydro]

good poem, good poet LEDBud

Full tilt bogey would be with the 1600w panels

Some energy savings could be had by using the 1200w panels.

Once again 6 in one hand half dozen in the other.

Supergrower uses 50w a sq ft his advice is solid.
I use 50w a sq ft and Im in grow.

 

[Mars Hydro]

cali, the overall heat emission of 2pcs 600whps is more than that of 2pcs 1600w, because LED doesn't need ballast and thus has lower requirment for ventilation device and AC. Despite of that, cali, you still need to pay attention to the heat. 2pcs 1600w will also emit certain heat.

whats more hotter ? x2 1600w or x2 600 hps ?

 

[Mars Hydro]

thanks for the info, LEDBud.

Thats a good question I think the 1600w/800w draw leds output the same heat as a 600w HID light its just not coming from the the bulb its coming off the back of the panel on LED's and is less of a threat to your plants.

I read that LED's are 20% cooler but do not have bulb heat per say.

 

[Mars Hydro]

cali conditioner will be great to keep the temp down.

Conditioner will be good ?

 

[Mars Hydro]

cali, I just did a little research for the ventilation on the Internet. Some friends here have ever shared the info before here. I have concluded them. I hope it will work.
Firstly, multipy lengthxwidthxheight to get the volume of your room. Your grow room is 4'x8'x6.6', so it's 179.2 cubic feet.
Next, as I find, some growers choose to change the air 3~5 times per minute and some will change it once per three minutes. It depends, I guess.
Therefore, in the first case, the CFMs you need is 540~900CFMs.
And you also need to take the light into consideration such as ambient temperature, the light number and CO2 and add more accordingly.

Bathroom Vent Fan CFM Calculator | Today's Homeowner

they say to me : You need a bath vent fan rated at least 17 cubic feet per minute (CFM).

 

[Mars Hydro]

Haha, thank you, LEDBud, I have tried. The key words I used is "the required CFM fan for growroom". Yours is more accurate.

You need to find one made just for Grow Rooms the bathroom fan does not take light wattage into account..


my guess is you will need a 750 to 1000 cfm fan


I remember you want to exhaust all of the air in the tent / room every 5 minutes for larger spaces and every 3 minutes for closets and the like.

Please do find "the grow room fan calculator" (copy and paste this onto goggle) for more accuracy.

 

[Mars Hydro]

stoney, I am sorry to hear about this. I hope you will work it out.

I this is messed up in had my girls in a scrog and cut the net from around it. I was feeling the light from my HPS was not penetrating like it could if I spread out a little. Now I have a bunch of phat nuggets leaning towards the side. Looks like I will have to tie them up.



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love: it will work, Stoney, wait for the result in two weeks.

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[Mars Hydro]

wow, randy what a surprise! How do you know it? That's amazing, haha It's supposed to be a surprise to you. Now I get surprised.

IIS Windows Server Wondering about and found the New Web site for Mars Hydro. Sara why have you hidden this from us?

 

[UncleCannabis]

Repost from page 979 of this thread.

How to Determine the Correct Mars-Hydro LED Grow Light to Purchase for Your Specific Gardening Needs


Case Study - Grow Space Size is 4' wide x 4' Long x 6'6" High

How do I determine the square footage of my grow area?
Measure the floor space that you'll be looking to illuminate with your future LED light and hopefully fill with sticky buds someday.
Multiply the length times the width and this will give you the square footage. Since the grow space indicated in our case study is 4' long by 4' wide we would multiply 4 times 4 which equals to 16 square foot of grow space.
Length (4') x Width (4') = Total Square Feet (16')

How many actual watts of power will it take to for me to grow decent or high quality meds?
You should be able to get decent results with as little as 20-25 actual watts of power per square foot of grow space with the light set about 18" above the canopy during bloom.

If you want to step up your game, increase yields, and grow really thick and dense nuggets with higher resin content then you'll probably want to be somewhere around 30 to 50 watts of actual power per square foot during bloom with the lights set approximately 18" above the canopy.

In general, the more power per square foot, the better the quality of the finished product.....within reason of course.
Yes, there is a such thing as too much light. Anything over 50 actual watts per square foot would likely require CO2 supplementation and heat issues would need to be adequately addressed.

For the same light, Mars-Hydro gives two different numbers for actual watts. How do I determine how many actual watts to use for my calculations?
Visit the Mars-Hydro website and select the light you are interested in evaluating. For the purpose of this exercise we'll evaluate the Mars2 700 Watt light.
Now check the following:
How many actual watts does the light draw? The website list 300-380 watts power draw. This means the light will draw approximately 300 watts if using a 220volt/50Hz electrical grid or 380 watts if using 110volt/60Hz electrical grid. For the purpose of this exercise we will use 380 watts as our wattage draw number.

What is the effective illumination area at 18"?
Note that the effective illumination area is shown as 3.5'x3.5' @ 24".
But remember, you'll usually want to have your lights set at 18" or less during bloom not 24". So 3.5'x3.5' (12.25 sq/ft) is not the number that you'll want to be using to evaluate this light if you want to use it for flowing.

Scroll down a bit on the web page and on the lower right side of the web page you'll see this graph.

This graph illustrates how the light intensity increases and the effective illumination area decreases as the light gets nearer to the plant canopy. This is why you'll want to set your light as low as possible during flower without burning your plants.

Per the graph you'll find that the Mars2 700 watt light delivers about 9880 LUX at 50cm or 19.6" This is the approximate distance that you'd want this light set during bloom.
So effective illumination for this light when used for bloom will be less than 3.5'x3.5' as stated in the specs. The actual effective illumination area when using this light for flowing would be about 3'x3' or 9 square foot.

So....now that we know how much space we need to illuminate (16 sq/ft), we know the actual wattage the light puts out (380 watts), and we've determined the approximate effective illumination area for this light when used for flowering (9 sq/ft)....what now?

Take the actual wall watts that the light draws (380 watts) and divide this number by the effective illumination at 18" (9 sq/ft). 380 watts divided by 9 sq/ft = 42 watts per sq/ft so this means that the Mars2 700 watt light would deliver approximately 42 watts of actual power per square foot when set approximately 18" above the plant canopy.

42 watts per square foot will grow some really fine medicine. But if you recall, our grow space is 16 sq/ft. In order for this light to illuminate 16 square feet we would need to raise it to about 32" or more above the plant canopy. Now moving the light further from the canopy will light up more area but it will also result in less light intensity at the plant canopy or less wattage per square foot.
380 watts divided by 16 square foot = 23.75 watts per square foot. Can you still grow pot with 23.75 watts per sq/ft. Sure you can, but yields and bud density will not be as good as they would be with a larger/more powerful light.

So now let's go ahead and take a look at the Mars2 1600 Watt light.
This light has an actual power draw of 780 watts when plugged into a 110 volt grid.
Lets assume that the effective illumination area at 18" above the canopy would be approximately 4.5'x4.5' or 6" less in all directions than what is stated on the website for a light being set at 24". 4.5'x4.5'=20.25 sq/ft
So we would take the actual wattage (780) and divide this by the effective illumination area at 18" above the canopy (20.25 sq/ft) to determine the watts per square foot.
780 watts divided by 20.25 = 38.5 watts per square foot.
At 38.5 watts per square foot this would allow you to grow top quality buds with large yields.

But wait, our grow space is only 16 sq/ft remember. So if we set this light at 18" above the canopy we still come up with the same answer of 38.5 watts per sq/ft but we now have light spilling over onto the walls since the effective illumination area is larger than our space. This will result in some of the light being reflected back onto the plants so the actual light being delivered to the plant will actually be a tad greater than 38.5 watts per sq/ft. Don't ask me how to calculate reflected light unless you want a B.S. answer.

On the other hand, if your plants can handle the light being lowered to 12" above the canopy which they often will you'll end up with a perfect fit in regards to illumination area of the light versus grow space size. In addition your watts per square foot will increase to 48.75 watts per square foot since the the light is closer to the plant canopy and the effective illumination would now be reduced from 20sq/ft to 16sq/ft, the exact size of our grow space.
780 watts divided by 16 square foot illumination area (reduced illumination area caused by dropping the light to 12" above the canopy) = 48.75 watts.

This light would be about as large and powerful as you'd want to go for this size grow space. Anything more powerful than the Mars2 1600 for a 16 sq/ft grow space would likely be overkill and only result in wasted electricity and heat issues.
Assuming that your gardening skills are up to par, you'll be able to grow top quality buds with this lamp and may be a perfect fit for your needs. However, if you are on a tight budget or trying to minimize heat or electrical usage you could probably go with a lesser light and still grow high quality produce.

Now lets take a look at the Mars2 1200 watt light.
520 actual watts using 120 volt power supply.
Effective illumination area for flowing with this light would be approximately 4'x4' or 16 sq/ft.

520 watts divided by 16 sq/ft = 32.5 watts per square foot.
This light would be a nice fit for anyone looking to grow good quality medicine with the expectation of ideal yields in a 16 square foot grow space. This light is not too powerful but not too weak either. This light would probably be the "sweet spot" for most hobby growers.

Should I go with 5 watt or 3 watt diodes?
The 5 watt diodes should allow for deeper penetration into the plant canopy resulting in less "larf" or airy buds below the main canopy. As a trade off, the 5 watt diodes may result in more heat compared to 3 watt diodes.
Note that I've seen some really fine crops grown with the 3 watt Reflector Series lights.
3 watt or 5 watt would be based on the personal preference of the end user.

For larger areas should I go with a single large panel or multiple medium to small lights?
In general it would be best to use multiple lights instead of a single light panel. The reason for this is improved lighting coverage. With all or most LED lights the light intensity at the canopy is greatest near the center area of the effective illumination area. In other words if the effective illumination area of the light is 9 square feet, the middle area of this 9 square feet (about 4 sq/ft or so) will be much more brightly lit up with light intensity diminishing rapidly as you move further away from center. This results in better growth / thicker denser buds which are located nearer to the center if the light.
Using multiple lights allows you to better distribute the intense light in more areas of the grow space instead of having all of the higher intensity light concentrated in only one area while the outer edges never receive intense light.
It also allows you to minimize low light areas by having the ability to move individual lights around as needed in order to minimize light gaps or dark/shaded areas.
I hope this makes sense to everyone.

Anyways, my work is done here and I do hope this helps those that may be new to LED lighting technology to properly evaluate all of the different Mars-Hydro LED light offerings and determine which light would best suit your needs and available grow space.
Hopefully this will also result in less Q&A sessions for Sara.

Sara,
Please feel free to chime in and correct me if I've stated anything that may be incorrect or misleading.

Happy gardening friends!

 

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[Mars Hydro]

Yes Am4zin we are still working on it and beautifying it.

She hasn't, it looks like a work in progress. I only make my website public when it's finished.

 

[Mars Hydro]

thanks, Johnnie. It's helpful.

In my experience, a 4inch vortex is fine for my old 2x2 and the new 2x4 I'm currently running. Any bigger tent, I would go 6inch. If you have a huge room/tent may want to get a big 8 inch with controller. Just my two cents.

 

[Mars Hydro]

Morning Dennise~~~

Sara.....

 

[Mars Hydro]

Haha，yes it is. randy, since you have found it, any advice is much welcome.

Its definitely still a work in progress, the spec are the same for all 4 of the Pro Series lights LOL They still have some work to do LOL