Magnus8's Canna Cream, Body Butter & Canna Lotion Study Hall

[HashGirl]

Good afternoon, folks. My canna cream is done finally after two weeks. Magnus might think I could still add more cocoa butter to it but I'm flying to the Dominican Republic tomorrow for a week and I wanted it done before I left. Here is my updated recipe and a couple of photos of the finished product:


Ingredients:

52 grams grated beeswax
98 grams cocoa butter
10g ground decarbed Hash Plant
18 oz sweet almond oil
3 to 6 drops Wild Orange essential oil
1 tsp liquid sunflower lecithin


Instructions:

1. Add your grated beeswax and 1 cup (8 oz.) uninfused sweet almond oil to your crockpot. Stir every so often until the wax has melted.

2. In a separate crockpot, prepare your infused oil.

3. Add 10 ounces sweet almond oil to second crockpot along with the decarbed herb (Hash Plant) and the sunflower liquid lecithin. Stir until plant material is covered with the oil and leave it for about 2 hours, stirring every so often.

4. When infused oil is done, strain the oil using a piece of cheesecloth secured to a bowl with a rubber band.

5. Add the infused oil to the waxy oil and mix thoroughly.

6. Add the essential oil (if never done before, start small and next time you can add more if desired).

7. Stir again.

8. Pour finished product into a glass container.


NOTES:

I probably should have documented it with photos but I forgot.

These two websites helped me with the essential oil dose and measuring the beeswax:

Essential Oil Dilutions & Conversions Guide

Measuring Beeswax


February 27, 2017 - Updated ingredients and am posting photos of finished product.

Notes to remember for next time:

- Prepare all the ingredients ahead of time.
- Weigh all the ingredients before starting the cream.
- Do the math and make sure it's right.

 

[Blazinjones]

Well... Welcome all, to the Romper Room.

And I see Supergroomer.
And I see SweetSue.
And I see AngryBird.
And I see DrZiggy.
And I see CannaFan.
And I see Canyon.
And I ALMOST DIDN'T SEE Jingo! Oopsie. Scrolling too fast on my tablet.

Welcome all. And thanks for coming along for the ride. And for those of you who are here for the support -- and you know who you are -- thanks to you, too.

I thought I'd take a moment and write about this voracious love affair we have with Coconut Oil (CO), and why it isn't a particularly good carrier oil for body butters, creams and lotions. Some of you will have read a similar posting in Sue's Oil Study Hall. In fact, I may just copy and paste that posting here.


Cannabis infused Coconut Oil (CO) is wonderful for so many things. There is no need to delineate them on this thread. But one thing it is not good for is as a topical, and the reason for that lies in the nature of CO itself.

CO is a great carrier oil. It is healthy when ingested, does some great things I hear when used in medicine. But as a topical... it sucks.

The skin is a semi-permeable membrane. It allows passage into the body of some materials. It allows passage out of the body of some materials. It does not allow passage either way of all materials. This, again, is something we all know.

The skin allows passage of H2O quite easily. That's why your fingers get all wrinkly when you sit in the bathtub.

The skin likewise allows easy passage of oils -- SOME oils, but not others. CO is one of those oils which is not easily passed through the skin membrane, if at all. That's why, when we use CCO as a straight topical, it leaves the skin so greasy that you could slap a hockey puck across your aching back 10 yards (if your back were that long, that is).

The skin, however, allows passage of H2O much more readily than almost all oils.

(Yes, I'm going someplace with this founding base of ideas and truths.)

All oils can be infused with herbs, not just CO. We infuse CO with the herb cannabis because it has so many other health-affirming properties inherent in it, and I think it has something to do with bioavailability, but I've no medical or science background so I don't understand this concept of bioavailability.

It stands, therefore, that if CO can be infused with cannabis, it makes sense that any other oil can be infused with it, some having some properties, some having others.

We primarily infuse CO with cannabis because of the properties it has when injested, used as a suppository, etc. We don't infuse it for the properties it has as a topical.

Rather, we need another carrier oil to infuse with the herb cannabis.

My proposition, for all those out there who care to make topicals for themselves or their loved ones (or even those they hate but who pay them well) is that we figure out those properties important for us in a carrier oil that can be infused with Cannabis.

That is the task before us.

1st Property: Transmission

Transmission from the surface of the skin into the core of its membranes and deeper is paramount. For it is this transmission quality that will determine how effective the carrier oil will be at carrying the cannabinoids under the skin, into the muscles, at the core of the nerves and throughout the body via the bloodstream.

2nd Property: Skin-"Loving-ness"

The ability of the carrier oil to "love" your skin means that the oil is capable of rejuvenating dry skin, refreshing elasticity, calming down redness and itch and irritated patches. In short, the ability of the oil to love your skin (your skin will surely love these oils back!).

3rd Property: Availability

All the greatest oils in the world are no good to us if they are not available. Some are more easily available than others. Walnut Oil is available in many supermarkets while Sweet Almond Oil is not. Shea Butter is available in some pharmacies while Emu Oil in only select few. If and oil is transmissible, skin-loving AND readily available, then it is a good bet as an oil we could consider to be our carrier oil (or in some other way be present in our concoction).

4th Property: I think that's enough for now, don't you?

So we've ascertained that CO is not a good carrier oil for our precious cannabis herb. What would be a good oil, then? I'll give you a few. Don't worry if you've never heard of some of them. They are all readily available from several different websites that I will list in a later posting as long as you have either a credit card, debit card, paypal, or some such other form of acceptable payment.


I am proposing that you use your favourite method of infusion to develop an infusion of the cannabis into your chosen oil from the list below. If you don't know how to infuse oils, you can certainly pm me. I'd be glad to help.

1st Carrier Oil: Grape Seed Oil
Possibly the most easily available carrier oil to find, as it sits on nearly all grocery store shelves. It is a medium weight oil, but it sinks into the skin medium to longer amounts of time. The message to be heard here is that it DOES sink in. So infuse it with cannabis, add some beeswax and you've got a simple butter that will carry your cannabis down through the pores and into the muscles, tendons, fibres and bloodstream itself. It too, like CO, may be ingested.

2nd Carrier Oil: Sweet Almond Oil (not to be confused with Bitter Almond Oil)
A light oil, soaks into the skin in a medium amount of time, but soaks in completely, too. WARNING: You MUST NOT INGEST this oil.

3rd Carrier Oil: Shea Butter
A very heavy oil, comes as a paste or hardlike block that must be melted down. A little goes a very, very long way and since most people use much too much, the skin surface is left greasy and oily. But it does soak in, it's just that most people use too much of it to soak in completely and the skin gets saturated and cannot take any more. Not the best choice as a primary infusion, but wonderful to add to your mix in small amounts to add incredible -- and I mean incredible -- skin loving features to your concoction (you don't have to have only your carrier oil, your beeswax and your GMSO in your concoction. you can also choose to make a butter for the skin that is nourishing and skin loving in its own right.)

4th Carrier Oil: Walnut Oil
A very heavy oil, available on many grocery store shelves. It sinks in well, but leaves a greasy film behind. This is fine if used as a supporting oil in very small amounts. If used in small enough doses, that greasy film will just be felt as skin softness and skin smoothness.

5th Carrier Oil: Pumpkin Seed Oil
This one is only available primarily from soapcrafting and lotioncrafting websites and suppliers. That's no problem. I'll give links to those places in a later post. But it is a freakin' BRILLIANT carrier oil for what we are trying to do here. We are trying to find a carrier oil that transmisses the skin cleanly, effectively and rapidly. That is exactly what PSO does! After applying this oil to the skin, within brief moments, no oiliness remains. None. Nada. Zip. It's just miraculously gone! Actually, it's not a miracle at all. The oil has simply sunk into the skin. And if this Carrier Oil can sink into the skin so damned fast, and if this Carrier Oil is infused with Cannabis, then think just how fast those cannabinoids are sinking in with it, eh? Look out to the horizon (side angle shot), a vista of a rising sun (camera dollys into closeup) and imagine the possibilities...



So there you have it. Some information to start our thinking off, and possibly a conversation or two, as well. Rethink this blind adherence to using CO as your carrier oil for all your infusions. There are a plethora of oils available to us for our use and each has its good points and bad points. What we need to do is clarify our own desires, our own goals, our own medicinal priorities, our own time commitments and our own budgets to determine how far we want to delve into the world of making butters and lotions for our own healing or the healing of others.

I've given you some background information. Some of it will come into play in a later posting. Some of it has been helpful to us here, in this discussion. I hope you have learned from what I've tried to teach today. If not, it is because the message was worded wrong, and I invite you to make me clarify my words by healthy repartee with me.

But please, if you take one thing away from this posting, please take away that you are not married to Coconut Oil as being the only carrier oil available to your needs. What works for one (or many) applications does not necessarily work for all. Butters and lotions require their own set of rules.

Be well, my friends.

i jus wated 2 say awesome job on this magnus i mean it so much u have no idea how much this will help me do to i have numerous collapsed and deterating disks in my back plus scoleosis and a replaced knee so i believe i am developing arthritis in it cuz it swells up and HURTS like no other wen it gets cold out or wen we have a storm coming and i also have a broken tailbone tht wen i broke it the arteries collapsed over it so no doctor will touch it appearntly so they said im jus stuck like this 4 life well to be honest its jus getting to much to handle all the drugs the doctors keep tryn to put me on make me dependent on them and is just killing me slowler so i said enuf is enuf and i started growing this herb to get off narcotics and all the poisen they keep pushn into my body and to find an all natural substance 2 use to help with my pain so i made my first batch of rso last night and i am currently looking into how 2 make it into a lotion or sumthn i can rub on my back to help ease my pain alil wen i tried eating sum lastnite after i got dun makeing it idk if it was cuz so much got all over my hands while makn it and it sunk in but i felt all floaty and high lol which is fine cause i smoke herb to so the high part dont bother me but idk if it really helped with the pain r not since i had takn my meds at the time but 2day wen i tryed sum nuthn but i didnt really take tht much and i also added soy lecithin to the end product to help boost potency but yea i jus wanted to say im subbed in here 4 sure lol and again thank u so much for posting all of this its a life saver 4 me and feel free to let me know if sumthn else will work better then wat im doin or using

 

[odinsmaster]

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[Lady Cannafan]

Just checking on ya Magnus. All okay?

 

[Magnus8]

Just checking on ya Magnus. All okay?

A-Okay, Maudie, on this end. Sorry, that's a quote from my favourite book of all time, The Diviners by Margaret Lawrence. There was this character who alway said that, A-okay, Maudie! Whenever he was asked how he was doing.

I'm doing good. I received a special gift from another member which is allowing me to make some infused VG for edibles and to have a bit of stuff for immediate pain relief. The generosity of the people here is amazing to me. They said they had extra and could share some, and I thanked them profusely (but I still don't feel it was enough for what it offers me).

My computer died the other day, actually about 2 weeks ago now, and it is hard to get computer time in the house as a sesult. The only computer in the house besides mine is the wife-bot's. And she just loooooves that computer as much as I love mine. So I find only time I really get access to the computer is last at night when she's sleeping or when she's napping throughout the day. Like now, for instance -- Nap time.0

So with no computer it is hard to get to my online obligations: This thread and editing my book. I did manage to get my book edited last week, but I'm falling behind in this weeks work now. I think I'm going to have to go use the public computers at the local library tomorrow to get some work done on Finding Max. That would be good for me to do, to accomplish something today. I reel like a lazy slob today because I mostly have to go into Edmonton for a doctors appointment, and because it is at 3:00 in Edmonton, with a 2 hour drive each way. I cannot really plan anything before or after. Maybe I could have planned something for this morning, but I didn't.

This rather poinless monologue is mine to close down and I will do so right now.

So yes, everything is alright. I was going to mention that I had a particularly rough go of it for a night about 4 nights past. Pain like I haven't felt in at least 3 years. A night or two later I opened a mail package that contained some cannabis from a dearly kind friend, with the intent to help me get through this recent period of pain I've encountered. So that gift gave a great gift to me, especially that first night feeling the after effects of that incredible pain. Such relief.

But anyway, I have to sign off now. Gotta get ready to go to my drs appointment.

 

[eddee]

I'm lurking and learning.

Studying & learning



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[eddee]

That's what I use, it's just I wash about 15 grams per pint of everclear and run a max of about 6 ounces at a time. I've got it down to where I can process that much in about four hours, but I'm so strapped for time I have to schedule in advance to do it.

I use the Green Oil Machine. End up reclaiming 60-70% of my everclear. Personally it has made doing hubby's medications much easier!


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[Lady Cannafan]

Good to read you're doing a-okay Magnus. I figured you've been busier than a swamp rat. ;-) Very sorry to read about your pain experiences. Hope things are better by the day.

Have grrrrreat day!

I am hoping to try out HashGirls' cream recipe this weekend. So many grow projects going on right now, I hope I get to have time for it.

 

[Magnus8]

Studying & learning



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Hi Eddee,

Welcome to our Study Hall for creams and lotions. You'll find a lot of information in the past pages, particularly pages 1 - 9. A lot happened during that time which might catch you up a lot. That's if you're into reading. If not, then just sit back and learn with the rest of us. We're all on a journey here.

 

[eddee]

WOW! Sorry I missed all the fun last night, but I was terribly ill. I had forgotten to change my Fentanyl patch 2 days ago, so I was both in extreme pain and feeling like I was dying from the withdrawals. My gawd, was I sick. I felt like I was in a deep, dark depression, crying all over the place, my mind all concerned with terrifying ideas and concerns, things like what it will be like the day my beloved dog, Dobby, dies and such like that. It was terrible. I spent the whole day like that, walking up and down the hall trying to walk the pain in my back and legs out, trying to walk off the depression and the feelings that were developing. Not fun, let me tell you. It was only about 9:30 p.m. that I realized I was a day late on changing my patch, so I changed it immediately. Within about an hour the pain was beginning to subside. Within about 2 hours the tears began to subside. Within about 3 hours I had stopped crying completely and life was looking just a little bit brighter. No longer was I obsessing on Dobby dying!

When I think about yesterday, I can't help dreading the day I have to go off the patch. Of course, the doctor isn't going to take it away completely, all at once. He's going to titrate me off of it (is "titrate" the right word? I mean he's going to take me off incrementally, in stages.). I'm not going to have to go from such a high dosage as I"m currently on to nothing at all. It won't be like yesterday at all. But still I dread it. I fear it. I cannot help fearing it after a day like yesterday. I'm sure that there's going to be some repurcussions of going off of it, however minor compared to yesterdays withdrawals. I'm just not looking forward to it. I don't' think anyone would welcome it. Even though I welcome being off of it and using cannabis instead as a pain reliever. When it was finally over last night, I was exhausted and worn out completely, both from the pain I had been experiencing for the last day and a half and the depressive feelings I had been experiencing too.

So that was my day yesterday. Hope yours was better!

Talk to me about rectal cannabis for pain. Best ever for my dear husband. He is off 400+ pills a month and 1/2 down on Oxy working on getting it totally gone.


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[Dave Groomer]

OK. A real quick update. My elderly patient that has the fused disks, asked me to make a stronger "butter" for her. I double the cannabis So that it has 1g per oz of oil as opposed the 1/2g. I told her I was not sure how much better it would work since she was the first person I was making a "double" strength batch for. She has been using it for about 2 weeks now and just called me to tell me that it is working great for her at that potency. So for bad pain, try infusing 1g / oz of oil.

 

[New B]

OK. A real quick update. My elderly patient that has the fused disks, asked me to make a stronger "butter" for her. I double the cannabis So that it has 1g per oz of oil as opposed the 1/2g. I told her I was not sure how much better it would work since she was the first person I was making a "double" strength batch for. She has been using it for about 2 weeks now and just called me to tell me that it is working great for her at that potency. So for bad pain, try infusing 1g / oz of oil.

That is exactly what my uncle suffers from. This is great to know thank you

First Grow For Me - So First Journal Also

 

[Magnus8]

OK. A real quick update. My elderly patient that has the fused disks, asked me to make a stronger "butter" for her. I double the cannabis So that it has 1g per oz of oil as opposed the 1/2g. I told her I was not sure how much better it would work since she was the first person I was making a "double" strength batch for. She has been using it for about 2 weeks now and just called me to tell me that it is working great for her at that potency. So for bad pain, try infusing 1g / oz of oil.

Hey SG et al.,

This is going to sound stupid, I know. But for clarifications sake... (geddit? Clarfication... butter.... clarifiying? --okay, it's a stretch even for me

But to clarify the butter situation... is that edible butter you're talking about, as in making cannabutter, or a butter/cream that you've concocted.

I thought for sure it was the clarifying kind you eat, but then by the time I got to the end I wasn't so sure.

 

[Magnus8]

Talk to me about rectal cannabis for pain. Best ever for my dear husband. He is off 400+ pills a month and 1/2 down on Oxy working on getting it totally gone.


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Eddee,

We mostly address and talk about topical uses for cannabis. In other words, cannabis used in creams and lotions and butters, not really in suppositories. But there's a thread on this site where they do address those ideas, called SweetSue's Oil Study Hall or something like that. Im sure you can find it easily enough if you need it.

 

[Magnus8]

Good afternoon, folks. My canna cream is done finally after two weeks. Magnus might think I could still add more cocoa butter to it but I'm flying to the Dominican Republic tomorrow for a week and I wanted it done before I left. Here is my updated recipe and a couple of photos of the finished product:


Ingredients:

52 grams grated beeswax
98 grams cocoa butter
10g ground decarbed Hash Plant
18 oz sweet almond oil
3 to 6 drops Wild Orange essential oil
1 tsp liquid sunflower lecithin


Instructions:

1. Add your grated beeswax and 1 cup (8 oz.) uninfused sweet almond oil to your crockpot. Stir every so often until the wax has melted.

2. In a separate crockpot, prepare your infused oil.

3. Add 10 ounces sweet almond oil to second crockpot along with the decarbed herb (Hash Plant) and the sunflower liquid lecithin. Stir until plant material is covered with the oil and leave it for about 2 hours, stirring every so often.

4. When infused oil is done, strain the oil using a piece of cheesecloth secured to a bowl with a rubber band.

5. Add the infused oil to the waxy oil and mix thoroughly.

6. Add the essential oil (if never done before, start small and next time you can add more if desired).

7. Stir again.

8. Pour finished product into a glass container.


NOTES:

I probably should have documented it with photos but I forgot.

These two websites helped me with the essential oil dose and measuring the beeswax:

Essential Oil Dilutions & Conversions Guide

Measuring Beeswax


February 27, 2017 - Updated ingredients and am posting photos of finished product.

Notes to remember for next time:

- Prepare all the ingredients ahead of time.
- Weigh all the ingredients before starting the cream.
- Do the math and make sure it's right.

Great job, HashGirl!!!

I hope you are mighty proud of yourself. Good on you. Good on you! Looks fine from this end. But, the big uestionis, How does it work for you?

Please let us know.

 

[Magnus8]

Good to read you're doing a-okay Magnus. I figured you've been busier than a swamp rat. ;-) Very sorry to read about your pain experiences. Hope things are better by the day.

Have grrrrreat day!

I am hoping to try out HashGirls' cream recipe this weekend. So many grow projects going on right now, I hope I get to have time for it.

Will you let us know how it works for you?

I was thinking about the lecithin. Do you think it is necessary, or even beneficial? I would think that lecithin would work in edibles, bu tnot necessarily in a butter... But I have little experience with lecithin. What do you think, Cannafan?

 

[Radogast]

Will you let us know how it works for you?

I was thinking about the lecithin. Do you think it is necessary, or even beneficial? I would think that lecithin would work in edibles, bu tnot necessarily in a butter... But I have little experience with lecithin. What do you think, Cannafan?

Lecithin works in suppositories - so I'd say it's probably beneficial (reducing the high at medicinal dosages) until proven otherwise.

 

[Dave Groomer]

It is a topical "butter" as you described early on. Being an oil with wax to thicken it.

 

[Magnus8]

Lecithin works in suppositories - so I'd say it's probably beneficial (reducing the high at medicinal dosages) until proven otherwise.

But just because an ingredient works in suppositories for some unstated objective, it does not necessarily follow that that same ingredient would effect the same purpose for the same or different objective. Wow. Does that ever sound wordy, eh? Not meaning to be. Just trying to be precise so I'm not misunderstood at all and I'm not the best at it.

What I'm trying to say is because the Lecithin works for some purpose in one application doesn't mean that it has any place in a cream/butter or lotion. My understanding, and please correct me if i'm wrong about this, but isn't Lecithin meant to increase bioavailability when ingested? When you apply a cream/butter or lotion you are applying it topically, not injesting it. If Lecithin's goal in CCO is to enhance bioavailability when something is injested, then it has no need to be in a cream/butter or lotion.

 

[Magnus8]

It is a topical "butter" as you described early on. Being an oil with wax to thicken it.

I'm sorry, SG,

I was super tired that night and probably didn't read closely. Thanks so much for clarifying, though. When I read your original posting now, I have no doubt in my mind what you mean by your words. Yep. Musta been zonked.