I think the interest is probably still there but since you and maybe Cannafan have the most experience with lotions and creams, we need at least one of you to drive the bus, so to speak.
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Magnus8's Canna Cream, Body Butter & Canna Lotion Study Hall
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I think the interest is probably still there but since you and maybe Cannafan have the most experience with lotions and creams, we need at least one of you to drive the bus, so to speak.
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I'm still here as well. Just waiting for harvest and then will be gathering supplies also. Beginning of May I believe.
First Grow For Me - So First Journal Also
First Grow For Me - So First Journal Also
I had a harvest on Saturday, but that will only meet immediate smoking needs.
I'm expecting another 5 or so ounces of harvest in April - some of which will go for a small batch of body butter.
I planted a CBD Critical Cure seed this morning, a clone line with 3:2 THC/CBD which I would like dedicated to medicinal lotions and creams.
I am hoping a tax return will help me purchase shea butter type ingredients, but I am still waiting on a couple of 1098s to file.
I expect to lag behind others here in my learning.
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I'm expecting another 5 or so ounces of harvest in April - some of which will go for a small batch of body butter.
I planted a CBD Critical Cure seed this morning, a clone line with 3:2 THC/CBD which I would like dedicated to medicinal lotions and creams.
I am hoping a tax return will help me purchase shea butter type ingredients, but I am still waiting on a couple of 1098s to file.
I expect to lag behind others here in my learning.
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It happens periodically Magnus. You'll notice, if you stick around the neighborhood, that there's a rhythm to the crowd. As seasons shift members become more engaged with their lives. At this point of the year more are getting outdoors too.
In my case, it was increased responsibility in learning new chores. I may be very absent until I get the job to my comfort level.
Hang in there through the lull. Take the down time to do some writing and enjoy the onset of a new spring. It'll pick up, and what you offer here is invaluable.
HizzyB
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Glad to have found your thread
Nice to meet ya!
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HizzyB! Glad to see you here. 
I'm not driving the bus, but I'll be around to assist looking at driving maps wherever I can.
While I'm here, I do need to report on my infused massage lotion. It was really really helpful relieving some pain in my lower back over the weekend. It was a very nice warm sensation for quite some time, and that helped too.
Problem is, it didn't turn out to be a back injury as I had suspected..something a bit more sinister that wasn't going to go away by relaxing muscles now and then. I have identified the issue and am in progress of fixing it. (no thanks given to an inept ER doctor last night. Grrrrr)
But, temporary relief was evident for sure!
Hope you are well Magnus and all!
Okay I'm ready to make my shopping list, first off I just want to make a butter. So far I know I need the following:
Double Boiler---------probably have the rest of the equipment
Carrier Oils to try first:
grape seed oil
pumpkin seed oil
Thickeners:
Beeswax
Antioxidants
Vitamin E oil
Preservatives
do I need?
can I use turpentine oil?
check out that link on turpentine oil
Turpenes/essential oils
lavender
sage
others?
So I'm looking to make a basic infused butter, other recommendations?
Double Boiler---------probably have the rest of the equipment
Carrier Oils to try first:
grape seed oil
pumpkin seed oil
Thickeners:
Beeswax
Antioxidants
Vitamin E oil
Preservatives
do I need?
can I use turpentine oil?
check out that link on turpentine oil
Turpenes/essential oils
lavender
sage
others?
So I'm looking to make a basic infused butter, other recommendations?
Are you making a butter for something specific, e.g. pain? If the plan is to use it for pain, tea tree oil and peppermint oil both work well (at least according to our butter, cream and lotion guru, Magnus).
You might like to have some shea, mango or cocoa butter on hand to thicken it up if you have problems having it thicken with the beeswax alone. Of course, I probably had that problem because I suck at math
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And, I don't think you need a preservative with a butter. I didn't use one and no one told me one was needed. And, I don't recall any conversation about using one on this thread. Someone else will have to answer that one and of course, correct me if I'm wrong about anything I suggested.
Good luck!
You might like to have some shea, mango or cocoa butter on hand to thicken it up if you have problems having it thicken with the beeswax alone. Of course, I probably had that problem because I suck at math
.And, I don't think you need a preservative with a butter. I didn't use one and no one told me one was needed. And, I don't recall any conversation about using one on this thread. Someone else will have to answer that one and of course, correct me if I'm wrong about anything I suggested.
Good luck!
Sorry to hear you had such an awful weekend, Cannafan. I hope that the sinister thing that's not going away is treatable and even curable.
But GREAT news that your infused massage lotion helped!
But GREAT news that your infused massage lotion helped!
I'm not driving the bus, but I'll be around to assist looking at driving maps wherever I can.
While I'm here, I do need to report on my infused massage lotion. It was really really helpful relieving some pain in my lower back over the weekend. It was a very nice warm sensation for quite some time, and that helped too.
Problem is, it didn't turn out to be a back injury as I had suspected..something a bit more sinister that wasn't going to go away by relaxing muscles now and then. I have identified the issue and am in progress of fixing it. (no thanks given to an inept ER doctor last night. Grrrrr)
But, temporary relief was evident for sure!
Hope you are well Magnus and all!
Are you making a butter for something specific, e.g. pain? If the plan is to use it for pain, tea tree oil and peppermint oil both work well (at least according to our butter, cream and lotion guru, Magnus).
You might like to have some shea, mango or cocoa butter on hand to thicken it up if you have problems having it thicken with the beeswax alone. Of course, I probably had that problem because I suck at math
And, I don't think you need a preservative with a butter. I didn't use one and no one told me one was needed. And, I don't recall any conversation about using one on this thread. Someone else will have to answer that one and of course, correct me if I'm wrong about anything I suggested.
Good luck!
I just looked at the turpentine oil link and it sounds like it would work similarly to peppermint oil so now my question is are you making this butter for yourself or someone else? Because I think someone on Sue's Study Hall, maybe even Sue, herself has a daughter who seems to be allergic to pine.
And, since turpentine oil is the oil from a pine, unless you know whether the person who will be using the butter is allergic to pine or not, it might be wiser to stay away from it.
Sorry to hear you had such an awful weekend, Cannafan. I hope that the sinister thing that's not going away is treatable and even curable.
But GREAT news that your infused massage lotion helped!
Thanks Hashgirl.
Intestinal obstruction/blockage caused by scar tissue from years of IBD/IBS and surgeries. This is not the same as constipation...which is much easier to resolve.I'm all good now.
I think Magnus did mention preservatives early on, I know he talked about the kinds of preservatives, but I'm referring to whether they need to be used in our creams/lotions. Maybe he can pop on and refresh the memory on it.
Thanks for your replies. Yes this will be for me and I've used pine tar soaps, so I feel safe. Although, I was thinking of trying some on my skin first.
One of the things that is supposed to be good for is neuropathic pain and that's what I'm after is relief from neuropathic pain.
Sounds very painful. I'm glad you're all good now though.
Thanks Hashgirl.
I'm all good now.
I think Magnus did mention preservatives early on, I know he talked about the kinds of preservatives, but I'm referring to whether they need to be used in our creams/lotions. Maybe he can pop on and refresh the memory on it.
ginganinja30
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I'll start off with my credentials, since they are pertinent to this discussion and form the basis of my knowledge.
First of all, I am a writer by tradition, and I tend to write sometimes very long-winded articles and posts. Let me apologize up front for that. I cannot help it. It is just the way I am. But those credentials are less pertinent to our discussion here than the credentials I will outline below.
I am a soap and lotion crafter by trade. I have studied and practiced and learned my craft over many years, using mostly books of previously handed down knowledge handed down to me. I have also learned through doing. By making what seems like tons of handcrafted soaps and lotions that I have sold at Farmers Markets, Specialty Markets, Trade Shows and through small businesses on commission. My products were very popular and we (my wife and I) had many repeat customers. But, like so many small businesses, we were unprepared to grow and at a certain time it grew beyond our capacities to sustain the business. Sadly, I closed my business at the end of last summer's Farmers Market season. I still regret it, but it was the best decision for the health of both my wife and I.
Now for the fun part!
We're here to make cannabis infused lotions and butters and creams -- oh my! We are all here to learn, I hope, for that is what this study hall will mostly be about. Learning. From each other as we progress in our handcrafted skillset and not only learn from each other, but teach each other along the way. I envision this study hall to be just that -- a virtual space of study. There will be laughter, I hope. There will be joy, I hope. There will be tears, but I hope not many!
So let's start off with a few definitiions, to lay the ground work so to speak. This will help us to craft our language so that we are all speaking the same one and so that we may communicate better and with more clarity.
So on with it.
What is the difference between Creams and Lotions, and why do I insist on calling Creams as Butters?
The first thing to note here is that most of you who have been making creams are making what we call in the professional world "body butters." There seems to be no difference between what I see here as creams and what I know to be body butters. As such, I will probably be found to call them body butters from time to time, though I will try to learn to use the language of the site and call them creams.
A body butter -- or cream -- is composed of oils and often beeswax to thicken the mix. So when someone tells me that they make a cream of coconut oil and grape seed oil and possibly avocado oil, combined with beeswax as a thickener, then they are telling me they are making a body butter.
A lotion is composed of oils and sometimes beeswax sometimes not that uses an emulsifying agent to combine them, much like mayonaisse is an emulsification between oil and water using egg yolks to emulsify them together. When someone tells me they are making a cream with coconut oil and grape seed oil and avocado oil, combined with water and BTMS-25 (an all-natural emulsifier derived from plants) as a thickener, then they are telling me they are making a lotion.
The primary difference between the two kinds of product are that one is an oil product and one is an oil and water product, where the water and oils are combined with some kind of emulsifying agent (because as we all know, water and oils don't normally mix together).
Now that's a lot to take in in one sitting. I urge you to read and re-read the above explanations until you truly understand them. If you get it quickly then great. Read on. If it takes some time to grasp these concepts, that's okay, too. But please try. Because in this study hall we'll be talking extensively about the two different kinds of products and attempting to learn how to develop our own creams or lotions that suit us -- or our patients -- best. For each has its good and bad qualities, and each is suitable to different purposes.
Whereas one situation might call for a cannabis infused body butter to be developed, another situation might call for a cannabis infused lotion. Only you can decide which application will suit you best at any given time.
Good night and good reading!
I bid you adieu!
Subbed in Magnus8 ., been making my own soaps and beard oils etc for a while now.
This is right up my street ...
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Thanks Hashgirl.
I'm all good now.
I think Magnus did mention preservatives early on, I know he talked about the kinds of preservatives, but I'm referring to whether they need to be used in our creams/lotions. Maybe he can pop on and refresh the memory on it.
The way I remember it.
Soaps need emulsifiers and preservatives.
Creams/body butters don't.
Perhaps it's preparations that include water that need preservatives?
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Magnus8
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Hi Hizzy,
Glad you found us. I"m sorry, but I've been without a computer until the other day and I've been lax in helping the group along. Have you been reading the first few pages? I would say that up unil page 11 is invaluable as we were clarifying positions and meanings and doing some groundwork. If you had time, it would be helpful to you if you could read these pages. A lot of it is just saying HI to everyone so its quick reading, but as I said, it is helpful.
Again, glad to have you on board, Hizzy. I see you're already aquainted with Cannafan. I'm Magnus and this is our Canna Cream/Butter and Lotion thread. Welcome to it!
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Magnus8
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Hi All,
Sorry but I got to the thread late today. Not my usual way of working, but so is life.
Okay, to clear up some misconceptions.
Soaps do not need neither preservatives nor emulsifiers.
Creams and Butters do not need neither preservatives nor emulsifiers (obviously)
Lotions, which are made with water, need preservatives.
Only emulsifications made with water need a preservative.
Formulations made without water do not need a preservative.
Soaps never need emulsifiers nor do they need preservatives.
Lotions always need preservatives because they are made with water.
Creams and Butters never need a preservative because they are made exclusively with oils and not water.
I hope that clears up some confusion for you all. I know it is terribly confusing when you first learn it. Jingo wins the purple balloon today (at least I think it was Jingo who said that Creams and Butters didn't have water so they didn't need preservatives).
So I hope everyone is okay. I've been well. I finally got my hands on another computer thanks to a kind friend here on 420mag who sent me a small computer to use that is in perfect working order but that he's not using, primarily so that I can get my work done on the book. I still cannot believe how nice people here are. How giving, how kind. I was going to mention his name but I"m not sure if he'd want me to do that, so I won't. But he's a friend from that I met through a friend on this thread (I know, sounds strange though, right?). Anyway, suffice it to say that he and his other friend have been invaluable to me these past few weeks. Anyway, I just cannot believe how kind and giving everyone here is. Am I the only one having these experiences, where someone on this site is so kind, so giving that its kind of shocking? Well, whatever. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth, I suppose.
So anyway, I got my hands on a computer for a while until he wants it back at least. But until then I should be able to be a bit more of a presence on here. So, welcome back, Magnus. Welcome back.
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Magnus8
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I'm not driving the bus, but I'll be around to assist looking at driving maps wherever I can.
While I'm here, I do need to report on my infused massage lotion. It was really really helpful relieving some pain in my lower back over the weekend. It was a very nice warm sensation for quite some time, and that helped too.
Problem is, it didn't turn out to be a back injury as I had suspected..something a bit more sinister that wasn't going to go away by relaxing muscles now and then. I have identified the issue and am in progress of fixing it. (no thanks given to an inept ER doctor last night. Grrrrr)
But, temporary relief was evident for sure!
Hope you are well Magnus and all!
I tell you grrrrrrl, I'm about to take issue with you how characterize back pain. As something that can go away easily by "relaxing muscles every now and then..."
Grrrrr.
Just kidding, my dear. What you have sounds terrible. Hoping healing vibes to you through the airwaves or however the hell they travel. I hope things go well. Time to make some more Butter so you have some on hand when you run out! Quick like bunny! Hop to it! Bunny fast bunny fast!
Seriously, Cannafan, I hope things go well for you with this ailment.