Magnus8's Canna Cream, Body Butter & Canna Lotion Study Hall

[Dave Groomer]

But just because an ingredient works in suppositories for some unstated objective, it does not necessarily follow that that same ingredient would effect the same purpose for the same or different objective. Wow. Does that ever sound wordy, eh? Not meaning to be. Just trying to be precise so I'm not misunderstood at all and I'm not the best at it.

What I'm trying to say is because the Lecithin works for some purpose in one application doesn't mean that it has any place in a cream/butter or lotion. My understanding, and please correct me if i'm wrong about this, but isn't Lecithin meant to increase bioavailability when ingested? When you apply a cream/butter or lotion you are applying it topically, not injesting it. If Lecithin's goal in CCO is to enhance bioavailability when something is injested, then it has no need to be in a cream/butter or lotion.

You are correct. Lecithin increase bioavailability of our oral meds, not topical. You are just wasting your lecithin.

 

[VerdantSpires]

Topical creams based on an oil carrier are unavoidably messy on your clothes–undoubtedly a price most are willing to accept for the pain relief it brings.

But I was wondering about a cannabis creme using sorbolene as the carrier? If means can be found to make the cannabis oil combine with water-soluble sorbolene then the result could be a lotion that is absorbed readily and leaves much less residue on the skin.

Could lecithin be the emulsifier that brings oil and sorbolene in harmony? Failing this, perhaps an alcohol tincture will combine cleanly with sorbolene?

I'm not in a position to experiment at the moment, or I'd be posting the results already. But my reason for inquirying is that I have a diabetic relative with neuropathic leg pain, and I'm looking at cooking up a cannabis lotion to try.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Sorry to be so late Magnus.

I have never tried lecithin in any of the skin care items, but it is used widely in the cosmetics industry. Here's a little reported info on it:

What Is It?
Lecithin is a naturally occuring mixture of the diglycerides of stearic, palmitic and oleic acids, linked to the choline ester of phosphoric acid whose form varies from a waxy mass to a thick, pourable liquid. Hydrogenated Lecithin is the product of controlled hydrogenation (addition of hydrogen) of Lecithin. Lecithin and Hydrogenated Lecithin are used in the formulation of a large number of cosmetics and personal care products.

Why is it used in cosmetics and personal care products?
Lecithin and Hydrogenated Lecithin enhance the appearance of dry or damaged skin by reducing flaking and restoring suppleness. These ingredients also help to form emulsions by reducing the surface tension of the substances to be emulsified.

Scientific Facts:
Lecithin can be found in all living organisms and is a predominant component of nervous tissue. It can be obtained from soybean, corn, and egg yolks. Although Lecithin includes diglycerides of stearic, palmitic and oleic acids, the exact fatty acid composition of Lecithin varies depending on the source from which it was obtained.

That's all I got on that. I might try it just to see what, if any, benefits there might be.

 

[HashGirl]

Thanks, Magnus. I didn't see this until today. Probably because I was in Punta Cana where I've gotta say I really missed having my canna cream as it works AWESOMELY! The batch I made is quite big so I doubt I'll be making more of it soon especially since I don't have a list of friends to share my finished products with. But next time I make some (or a lotion), I'll add tea tree oil, peppermint oil and probably shea butter rather than cocoa butter since I'm one of the few who doesn't really like the smell of cocoa butter.

Has Ginette left yet? Any chance she left her computer for you to use while she's gone? I miss seeing your posts here on 420.

Great job, HashGirl!!!

I hope you are mighty proud of yourself. Good on you. Good on you! Looks fine from this end. But, the big uestionis, How does it work for you?

Please let us know.

 

[Magnus8]

Topical creams based on an oil carrier are unavoidably messy on your clothes—undoubtedly a price most are willing to accept for the pain relief it brings.

But I was wondering about a cannabis creme using sorbolene as the carrier? If means can be found to make the cannabis oil combine with water-soluble sorbolene then the result could be a lotion that is absorbed readily and leaves much less residue on the skin.

Could lecithin be the emulsifier that brings oil and sorbolene in harmony? Failing this, perhaps an alcohol tincture will combine cleanly with sorbolene?

I'm not in a position to experiment at the moment, or I'd be posting the results already. But my reason for inquirying is that I have a diabetic relative with neuropathic leg pain, and I'm looking at cooking up a cannabis lotion to try.

Hi Verdant,

No, I've never tried using sorbolene in a lotion. Which is what you are talking about making. A cream or butter is a concoction that is made exclusively from oils. A lotion is a concoction which is a formulation of both water based and oil based ingredients, which use an emulsifier to combine appropriately. The only emulsifier I've ever used or needed to use has been either e-wax or BTMS (sorry, but I don't know what this stands for apart from "conditioning emulsifier"). I'm assuming you want to know whether sorbolene can be used as an emulsifyer in place of e-wax or BTMS and frankly, I don't know. I do know, however, that we will be able to produce lotions soon in this Study Hall, which we've been working towards, which will necessarily leave less of an oily feeling, or residue, on the skin after application, depending on the oils used in the rest of the formulation. And cannabis can be used in this cream to relieve pain.

I'm not sure if this answers any of your questions, but I hope it helps some.

 

[Magnus8]

Sorry to be so late Magnus.

I have never tried lecithin in any of the skin care items, but it is used widely in the cosmetics industry. Here's a little reported info on it:







That's all I got on that. I might try it just to see what, if any, benefits there might be.

Hi Cannafan!

From this info here, it looks like lecithin helps dry, flaking skin and that's about it. It might help with increasing the stability of the emulsion, but I don't find that my emulsions with e-wax or BTMS (conditioning emulsifier) are any less stable than those I've picked up in lotions from the drugstore. Maybe even more stable since they're so thick. So I'm not sure just how much you're going to notice that the lecithin does for you, unless you got dry, flaking skin that it. I've got this problem with psoriasis that shows up only on my face, so I'm forever trying new things for my face to cut down on the redness and sooth the sores that come with psoriasis and then to deal with the stupid flaking that happens. I tell, you on my best days I look like a leper. From the neck up.

 

[Magnus8]

Thanks, Magnus. I didn't see this until today. Probably because I was in Punta Cana where I've gotta say I really missed having my canna cream as it works AWESOMELY! The batch I made is quite big so I doubt I'll be making more of it soon especially since I don't have a list of friends to share my finished products with. But next time I make some (or a lotion), I'll add tea tree oil, peppermint oil and probably shea butter rather than cocoa butter since I'm one of the few who doesn't really like the smell of cocoa butter.

Has Ginette left yet? Any chance she left her computer for you to use while she's gone? I miss seeing your posts here on 420.

Alas, Ginette is still here, stalled in her vacation plans since the roads are impassable in Manitoba and now Ontario with this storm. She's taking the Greyhound to Sault Ste. Marie, but cannot leave because of road closures. And no, she's not leaving her computer behind. Instead we've purchased this stupid TV Box that's supposed to make it easy for me to access the internet to do my editing and my 420 stuff, but alas (for a second time today) it isn't that easy. The cursor keeps disappearing, for chrissakes! And it just gets blocked up and doesn't do anything. Cannot scroll up. Cannot scroll down. It's a nightmare to use. Maybe I've just got to get used to it. Maybe I need to throw the thing in the junkpile which is my past life. Either way, it's it and me for the next month to six weeks. So I'm afraid that my posts will be a little slow in the coming, though I'll try to get online as much as I can. And I'm going to try to get into town at least once per week and get to the library to work from. That's all I can promise for now.

I'm sorry.

 

[New B]

Sometimes life throws wrenches so you can open other doors. Who knows what you will do with all your time. No need to be sorry.

First Grow For Me - So First Journal Also

 

[DrZiggy]

Sorry to be so late Magnus.

I have never tried lecithin in any of the skin care items, but it is used widely in the cosmetics industry. Here's a little reported info on it:







That's all I got on that. I might try it just to see what, if any, benefits there might be.

I use lecithin as an emulsifier..it allows better and longer combining of an oil/fat ingredient with an aqueous(water based) ingredient

 

[Magnus8]

I use lecithin as an emulsifier..it allows better and longer combining of an oil/fat ingredient with an aqueous(water based) ingredient

See, that would be a good reason to include lecithin in your formulation. I've always found e-wax and conditioning emulsifyer (BTMS) to work very well for me. But maybe it would depend on what I've got around the house, no? It's easier to order in simply lecithin than to make another order to Sapphire Blue and order the emulsifyers. Tell me, Ziggy, what kind of emulsification is it? Is it quite a strong emulsifier that leaves peakes when you stir it and bring the spoon out of it? Or is it more of a lighter touch, creamier and more liquid? Just curious. And when you say better, what do you mean better than? Like, I suppose you've never made a lotion using the products I use to emulsify them. So it would be impossible for you to compare the lecithin emulsification with my emulsifications, for example. That's why I want to know what kind of emulsiffication the lecithin produces.

 

[Magnus8]

Sometimes life throws wrenches so you can open other doors. Who knows what you will do with all your time. No need to be sorry.

First Grow For Me - So First Journal Also

Thanks, New B. You are very kind and I appreciate it.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

I use lecithin as an emulsifier..it allows better and longer combining of an oil/fat ingredient with an aqueous(water based) ingredient

Yessir, I use it when I make butter in the MB machine. Haven't tried it in a cosmetic/skin care product...yet.

Sorry to hear of your troubles Magnus. Hopefully you will get that cursor thing figured out, I know it must be frustrating.

Hopefully the storms have passed. We've had major wind storms here, power outages yesterday were in high numbers. Today seems MUCH calmer.

Have a great day.

 

[SweetSue]

Alas, Ginette is still here, stalled in her vacation plans since the roads are impassable in Manitoba and now Ontario with this storm. She's taking the Greyhound to Sault Ste. Marie, but cannot leave because of road closures. And no, she's not leaving her computer behind. Instead we've purchased this stupid TV Box that's supposed to make it easy for me to access the internet to do my editing and my 420 stuff, but alas (for a second time today) it isn't that easy. The cursor keeps disappearing, for chrissakes! And it just gets blocked up and doesn't do anything. Cannot scroll up. Cannot scroll down. It's a nightmare to use. Maybe I've just got to get used to it. Maybe I need to throw the thing in the junkpile which is my past life. Either way, it's it and me for the next month to six weeks. So I'm afraid that my posts will be a little slow in the coming, though I'll try to get online as much as I can. And I'm going to try to get into town at least once per week and get to the library to work from. That's all I can promise for now.

I'm sorry.

No need to apologize. Before you know it you'll be back up to speed. Watch how efficiently the place runs with your minimal input. It'll make you proud.

You're doing great work here Magnus, and all the rest of you too. This is an exciting atmosphere to walk into. Keep that energy amped up.

 

[gudyul]

I'm sorry, Cannoisseuras, but I have no experience treating eczema. The closest I came to working on eczema was to make a soap called Oats and Goats which was made with Goat's Milk and Oatmeal and which eased the itching of the problem.

If you feel so inclined, you can perform an internet search on oils good for eczema and I'm sure you will come up with a plethora of information on it. I wouldn't believe all the hype, but when an oil comes up again and again as being good for eczema, then that is one to check out. Then come back here and tell us which oil(s) you found to be good for eczema and we can help you from there to craft a butter or lotion that might help ease your condition.

It will be much easier to help you if you do a bit more footwork on your own, coming back here with an oil(s) in mind that you want to use for your condition.

An internet search like this should take you all of half an hour at most. And you might find otherr herbal remedies for your eczema along the way, too!

Does that help? I hope so. I don't want to just turn you away, but i just don't have the time to do this research myself this morning.

Best of luck to you on your search for an oil that will help. I know they are out there, I just don't remember what they are.

I did some research on dermatitis. Apparently there are yeast bacteria that thrive on body oils and other oils. Medium Chain Triglycerides MCT oil was recommended as carrier oil due to carbon chain make up of oil not being edible by the yeast. Also eat more lactobacillus and apple pectin as skin PH was also an issue with yeast . Sweet Sue posted the link to white papers on this topic
in this thread a ways back. Take this with grain of salt.

 

[gudyul]

Hash Girl,

I am just ecstatic that your cream worked so well for you on the sore spots, so much so that you could hold off on taking anything else.
This is what we're striving for on these pain creams! How encouraging for all to read that a formula is working using this awesome plant.

I agree with Magnus on the cocoa butter, it is just a deliciously lovely smell.

And, Sweet Sue had been trying to treat psoriasis. I remember trying to come up with something that would help her treat the areas on her scalp. I cannot remember if we found a reasonable suggestion or not on that.
psoriasis and eczema are two different things for sure. Maybe she had a little bit of both, I can't really remember if she had mentioned eczema at a later date.

Cannoissueras:

Here's a useful article on the kinds of oils to use for Eczema, instead of using pharma made crap. Notice that Coconut oil comes up first, and there is Jojoba oil used as well. So, this study hall can be very beneficial to you in making a cream or lotion using one of the oils listed there to target the affliction.

11 Healing Home Remedies for Eczema | Everyday Roots

A little information clip from that:

Borage and flax oil . googoo it

 

[jingo]

Okay, I finally have my tincture made up and some test results.

So I did hang onto some terpenes and I'm surprised to see that only about half the cannabinoids have been activated in what was about 2 hours total time of heat.

When I Infuse whatever oil I use for my cream I will test again and see if all the cannabinoids are all active or some of them remain inactive which I think is fine too.

I have somewhere around 850 ml of this tincture.

 

[Magnus8]

So I did hang onto some terpenes and I'm surprised to see that only about half the cannabinoids have been activated in what was about 2 hours total time of heat.

When I Infuse whatever oil I use for my cream I will test again and see if all the cannabinoids are all active or some of them remain inactive which I think is fine too.

I have somewhere around 850 ml of this tincture.

Nice job, Jingo. Forgive me for sounding stupid if I'm about to, but isn't the number of cannabinoids activated dependent upon the time combined with heat during the decarboxylating phase of processing? If that is so then infusing it in another oil will have no effect upon number of decarboxylated compounds in the liquid.

That is the way it seems to me. But other than that, great job, Jingo.

 

[jingo]

Nice job, Jingo. Forgive me for sounding stupid if I'm about to, but isn't the number of cannabinoids activated dependent upon the time combined with heat during the decarboxylating phase of processing? If that is so then infusing it in another oil will have no effect upon number of decarboxylated compounds in the liquid.

That is the way it seems to me. But other than that, great job, Jingo.

My theory has been that decarb can occur anywhere in the process, whether flowers, bubble hash or tincture. Now I get to test my theories. I'm going to change my process on my next plant and see what I get.

I don't decarb, the only heat in my process is the reclaiming of the alcohol after the wash.

I used about four gallons of alcohol to wash around 18 ounces of this strain. Then I concentrated it down to a one fifth bottle of everclear so I have about 70 grams of cco sequestered in the alcohol.

 

[Magnus8]

Just a question.

Has everyone completely lost interest in the subject, en masse, all at once. Or is it a case of everyone suddenly being burdened by other life elements currently, suddenly struck all at once.

Please let me know. It would be helpful. I'm just trying to get the lay of the land is all.

 

[jingo]

Just a question.

Has everyone completely lost interest in the subject, en masse, all at once. Or is it a case of everyone suddenly being burdened by other life elements currently, suddenly struck all at once.

Please let me know. It would be helpful. I'm just trying to get the lay of the land is all.

I have been actively working towards this for some time but I've been going through the process of growing harvesting, curing and extracting my cannabis. Today is payday in this next week I'm going to start purchasing my supplies and I'm going to start making the stuff within a couple weeks so I'm a listening.

And I want you to know I really appreciate this thread