Magnus8's Canna Cream, Body Butter & Canna Lotion Study Hall

[Magnus8]

Recently remembered my cousin deals with migraines daily. She is a teacher so not smoking it at all. Not sure if she'll try anything infused,but any suggestions on lotions or creams? Oils that would be good for the head?
Need to speak to her before going on with this. Just planning ahead.

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Hey New B,

I've never come across in my travels any mention of any oils good for migraines, but I bet that a cream/butter or lotion infused with cannabis would help if applied to the base of the head where it meets the neck, and possibly on the forehead and temples. Not entirely sure though. Migraines are variously different in their onset and way in which they move across the brain, so I'm not sure if applying anything in these spots would help your particular sufferer.

Might be worth a try, though. And then you could report back here and let us know your findings. And if the concoction does not help, you would still have it on hand for anything that does occur as pain in the body, such as muscle injury, back aches, bad pain when you've slept wrong and your neck hurts, etc. Wouldn't be a waste of cannabis OR oils in my books, and would be a learning experience for you in learning how to produce the cream/butter or lotion.

And that kind of knowledge, the know-how of how to produce a topical for pain-free living, is gold in my books.

Nice to see you in this Study Hall, btw!

 

[Magnus8]

Recently remembered my cousin deals with migraines daily. She is a teacher so not smoking it at all. Not sure if she'll try anything infused,but any suggestions on lotions or creams? Oils that would be good for the head?
Need to speak to her before going on with this. Just planning ahead.

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New B,

There may, however, be essential oils that are known to be good for migraines. I wouldn't doubt that Tea Tree and Peppermint Essential Oils are good for that. Do this. Do an internet search for essential oils that are good for migraines and see what turns up. Likely, you'll get a plethora of essential oils that are supposed to be good for them, but separate the wheat from the chaff by checking those oils that show up twice, maybe three times. Come back to me with those, too, and we'll go from there.

A topical with essential oils combined with Cannabinoids will surely work for the sufferer in your life.

I only hope I can help.

All my best,
Magnus.

 

[Dave Groomer]

Good morning everyone. Sorry to hear about that anniversary magnas I hope you feel better.

I was just checking in to see if anyone has any experience using cannalotion or cannaoil to help extreme eczema? And if so what would be the recomended recipe?

Thanks in advance. Hope you all have a blessed day

anything that occurs in nature cannot be unnatural!
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Unknown Strain From Seed - First Time Grow

I maybe be wrong, but I think Sue was treating small patches of it. I think it is somewhere in the middle of her study hall.

 

[Dave Groomer]

Hey New B,

I've never come across in my travels any mention of any oils good for migraines, but I bet that a cream/butter or lotion infused with cannabis would help if applied to the base of the head where it meets the neck, and possibly on the forehead and temples. Not entirely sure though. Migraines are variously different in their onset and way in which they move across the brain, so I'm not sure if applying anything in these spots would help your particular sufferer.

Might be worth a try, though. And then you could report back here and let us know your findings. And if the concoction does not help, you would still have it on hand for anything that does occur as pain in the body, such as muscle injury, back aches, bad pain when you've slept wrong and your neck hurts, etc. Wouldn't be a waste of cannabis OR oils in my books, and would be a learning experience for you in learning how to produce the cream/butter or lotion.

And that kind of knowledge, the know-how of how to produce a topical for pain-free living, is gold in my books.

Nice to see you in this Study Hall, btw!

My wife and a couple of our friends suffer from occasional migraines. The cream on the back of the neck definitely helps. It does not completely get rid of the headache, but it takes it from an 8 or 9 to a manageable 1 or 2.

 

[Magnus8]

I maybe be wrong, but I think Sue was treating small patches of it. I think it is somewhere in the middle of her study hall.

I, truly, have no idea what Sue was treating, whether it was eczema or psoriasis. All I know is that depending on which ailment it will require a different treatment, usually. That's all I was trying to say.

Whatever Sue was treating, I hope you find help for this eczema. The only thing I know to do is to use oatmeal for eczema, grind it up small and soak in a hot bath with it. Helps to relieve the intense itching.

 

[Magnus8]

My wife and a couple of our friends suffer from occasional migraines. The cream on the back of the neck definitely helps. It does not completely get rid of the headache, but it takes it from an 8 or 9 to a manageable 1 or 2.

I am so glad to see that that cream is makin' the rounds!

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Hash Girl,

I am just ecstatic that your cream worked so well for you on the sore spots, so much so that you could hold off on taking anything else.
This is what we're striving for on these pain creams! How encouraging for all to read that a formula is working using this awesome plant.

I agree with Magnus on the cocoa butter, it is just a deliciously lovely smell.

And, Sweet Sue had been trying to treat psoriasis. I remember trying to come up with something that would help her treat the areas on her scalp. I cannot remember if we found a reasonable suggestion or not on that.
psoriasis and eczema are two different things for sure. Maybe she had a little bit of both, I can't really remember if she had mentioned eczema at a later date.

Cannoissueras:

Here's a useful article on the kinds of oils to use for Eczema, instead of using pharma made crap. Notice that Coconut oil comes up first, and there is Jojoba oil used as well. So, this study hall can be very beneficial to you in making a cream or lotion using one of the oils listed there to target the affliction.

11 Healing Home Remedies for Eczema | Everyday Roots

A little information clip from that:

If you have eczema, your skin is most likely producing less fats and oils than it should be, and the ability to retain water is diminished. The space between cells widens since they aren't plump with moisture, you begin to lose water from the dermis, and irritants and bacteria can enter easier. This is why things like soaps and detergents can worsen eczema, as they strip away what lipids your skin is producing, and it will breakdown faster than healthy skin would to become dry, inflamed, and sometimes cracked or blistered.

 

[Radogast]

Hash Girl,

I am just ecstatic that your cream worked so well for you on the sore spots, so much so that you could hold off on taking anything else.
This is what we're striving for on these pain creams! How encouraging for all to read that a formula is working using this awesome plant.

I agree with Magnus on the cocoa butter, it is just a deliciously lovely smell.

And, Sweet Sue had been trying to treat psoriasis. I remember trying to come up with something that would help her treat the areas on her scalp. I cannot remember if we found a reasonable suggestion or not on that.
psoriasis and eczema are two different things for sure. Maybe she had a little bit of both, I can't really remember if she had mentioned eczema at a later date.

Cannoissueras:

Here's a useful article on the kinds of oils to use for Eczema, instead of using pharma made crap. Notice that Coconut oil comes up first, and there is Jojoba oil used as well. So, this study hall can be very beneficial to you in making a cream or lotion using one of the oils listed there to target the affliction.

11 Healing Home Remedies for Eczema | Everyday Roots

A little information clip from that:

Jojoba oil is one of those oils where some people like the aroma and some people don't.

I like the smell of jojoba oil because the desert around Phoenix smells like jojoba after a rain.
When I regularly flew in and out of Phoenix Sky Harbor airport, the smell of stale sweat and jojoba smelled like 'home.'

... and there is a point to that recollection. Jojoba has a burnt wood, old bacony sort of aroma that I would mix with the darker, earthy aromas and one or two bring notes.. I'm not good with aromas, but almond oil, avacado oil, olive oil will probably work better aromatically than coconut oil and shea butter. I just searched 'aromatic blend jojoba' and see that jojoba is a stable base oil for perfumes - so maybe more people like the aroma than I thought

 

[HashGirl]

Magnus. Do you have any suggestions on the amount to add and should I assume the amount is in weight and not volume as you instructed us on an earlier post?

HashGirl,

I think it depends upon what your expectations are.

If you think that a "cream" is going to be a white, fluffy cream-like product that smooths on and doesn't run at all down your skin when you apply it, then you are actually thinking of a "lotion."

A "cream, (or butter)" in lotioncrafting temrs is closer to what you have, although I do find it a bit runny. You might think about adding some hard butter to this concoction, such as cocoa butter or maybe shea butter (though cocoa butter is the harder of the two). If you choose to use Cocoa Butter, be a bit careful how much you add because it can get a bit oily, moreso than Grapeseed Oil or some of our other oils we have spoken about in here.

A hard oil will be hard at room temperature, thereby hardening your formulation up significantly, much like beeswax without the added waxiness. This is what I would suggest you think about doing, unless you just want to add more beeswax and risk the increased waxiness of your formulation. Waxiness is not a bad thing, per se, but it does feel strange to some people, which I why I usually counter to use a maximum of 8% beeswax to a formulation. But those would be my suggestions.

Either more beeswax. Or an addition of cocoa butter to the concoction.

And let me tell you one thing: Cocoa butter smells like you've gone to heaven. Ask Cannafan about that! I know she loves it. (I do too.)

 

[HashGirl]

Cannafan! It is pretty AWESOME to not only make my own medicine but to have it actually work so well is the icing on the cake, so to speak. I already have some shea butter here so although you and Magnus prefer cocoa butter, I might just use it this time but then again, it depends how much I'm supposed to add as I probably only have about a third of a jar. I love putting it on my feet in the winter time and then putting on some warm socks. It makes my feet way less drier.

Hash Girl,

I am just ecstatic that your cream worked so well for you on the sore spots, so much so that you could hold off on taking anything else.
This is what we're striving for on these pain creams! How encouraging for all to read that a formula is working using this awesome plant.

I agree with Magnus on the cocoa butter, it is just a deliciously lovely smell.

 

[Magnus8]

Cannafan! It is pretty AWESOME to not only make my own medicine but to have it actually work so well is the icing on the cake, so to speak. I already have some shea butter here so although you and Magnus prefer cocoa butter, I might just use it this time but then again, it depends how much I'm supposed to add as I probably only have about a third of a jar. I love putting it on my feet in the winter time and then putting on some warm socks. It makes my feet way less drier.

Hi HashGirl,

First of all, I responded to your other post in my journal. Check that out if you have a moment.

As for the two butters: As a general rule, if you use Shea Butter instead of Cocoa Butter, you will need to use more of it simply because though it is still considered a "hard" oil, it isn't as hard as Cocoa Butter. So, given that... It is really, really hard for me to judge how much of either to use since I cannot see what you have already produced, touch it, rub it between my fingers. That is the way you learn how much of any one oil to add to a concoction when you are trying to firm up a recipe. A lot of it is practice, time and intuition. So lets start with some basics, then, shall we?

SHEA BUTTER
Start out with 2 ounces, but measure it in grams if you can. The grams equivalent would be 28x2 (28 grams in one ounce), so that would be 56 grams I believe. Melt your concoction up again. Melt the shea butter. Then slowly add the shea butter to your concoction, stirring all the while. Let it cool and see how it feels. If you don't want to wait for the whole concoction to cool (and who wants to wait THAT long... pour a small amount in a container that you can put in the freezer for a few minutes. Then check it out. Is it okay? Is it good? Is it excellent? We're going for excellent. If it's good but not excellent, add another ounce in the same fashion. If it is just okay but not excellent, then add an ounce and a half (28+14 grams). I'll let you do the math. I'm exhausted and wouldn't trust my calculations. Keep going until you have an excellent cream. Even if you're tired of it, fed up with it, just keep going. We're going for excellent here. You've put so much work into it already, what's a bit more? Keep using your freezer to help speed up the time you wait. And keep going. We might be in it for the long haul, eh?

COCOA BUTTER
Start out with 1.25 ounces (yes, it's that much harder than shea butter) and follow the same directions. I'll let you do all the math, but use a calculator.

You'll get there. Throw some peppermint essential oil in there. It helps with the pain, a lot, and it smells wonderful. And add some Tea Tree essential oil in there, too. It doesn't smell AS beautiful as peppermint oil, but it sure as hell helps ease the pain in your fingers. Right now, I'm not able to use cannabis in any concoctions as I neither have my mmj card, nor do I have any cannabis. So I made a concoction with Fractionated Coconut Oil (because it is such a good carrier and soaks into the skin so beautifully), Peppermint Essential Oil, and Tea Tree Essential Oil. Works beautifully to soak into the skin and ease the pain in my back and in Ginette's hands and fingers (she has arthritis there). I cannot wait to be able to concoct a lotion with cannabinoids, tea tree oil and peppermint oil all at once. I know it'll do wonders for both my back and Ginette's hands/fingers.

I urge you to add these elements to your cream once you are done. There are more herbal remedies under the sun than simply cannabis and they can help immensely. And please take this in the right light. I'm only trying to help ease your pain.

 

[HashGirl]

Magnus! This is very helpful. I'll have to go to Wal-Mart or Shoppers Drug Mart to find some of these butters. What about mango butter? Would it work? Also, I already added Wild Orange essential oil to my cream because the salesperson said it would work well with the sweet almond oil I bought for the cream. If this whole experience doesn't scar me, I'll make my next cream with peppermint and tea tree oil. I'm glad they help you.

Anyhow, I plan on finishing my cream one way or another this weekend. We're going to Toronto tomorrow so it probably won't happen then but hopefully Sunday morning (I'm planning on upping my dose of cannabis and getting super high, I hope, Sunday afternoon as we have a 3-day weekend this weekend).

Hi HashGirl,

First of all, I responded to your other post in my journal. Check that out if you have a moment.

As for the two butters: As a general rule, if you use Shea Butter instead of Cocoa Butter, you will need to use more of it simply because though it is still considered a "hard" oil, it isn't as hard as Cocoa Butter. So, given that... It is really, really hard for me to judge how much of either to use since I cannot see what you have already produced, touch it, rub it between my fingers. That is the way you learn how much of any one oil to add to a concoction when you are trying to firm up a recipe. A lot of it is practice, time and intuition. So lets start with some basics, then, shall we?

SHEA BUTTER
Start out with 2 ounces, but measure it in grams if you can. The grams equivalent would be 28x2 (28 grams in one ounce), so that would be 56 grams I believe. Melt your concoction up again. Melt the shea butter. Then slowly add the shea butter to your concoction, stirring all the while. Let it cool and see how it feels. If you don't want to wait for the whole concoction to cool (and who wants to wait THAT long... pour a small amount in a container that you can put in the freezer for a few minutes. Then check it out. Is it okay? Is it good? Is it excellent? We're going for excellent. If it's good but not excellent, add another ounce in the same fashion. If it is just okay but not excellent, then add an ounce and a half (28+14 grams). I'll let you do the math. I'm exhausted and wouldn't trust my calculations. Keep going until you have an excellent cream. Even if you're tired of it, fed up with it, just keep going. We're going for excellent here. You've put so much work into it already, what's a bit more? Keep using your freezer to help speed up the time you wait. And keep going. We might be in it for the long haul, eh?

COCOA BUTTER
Start out with 1.25 ounces (yes, it's that much harder than shea butter) and follow the same directions. I'll let you do all the math, but use a calculator.

You'll get there. Throw some peppermint essential oil in there. It helps with the pain, a lot, and it smells wonderful. And add some Tea Tree essential oil in there, too. It doesn't smell AS beautiful as peppermint oil, but it sure as hell helps ease the pain in your fingers. Right now, I'm not able to use cannabis in any concoctions as I neither have my mmj card, nor do I have any cannabis. So I made a concoction with Fractionated Coconut Oil (because it is such a good carrier and soaks into the skin so beautifully), Peppermint Essential Oil, and Tea Tree Essential Oil. Works beautifully to soak into the skin and ease the pain in my back and in Ginette's hands and fingers (she has arthritis there). I cannot wait to be able to concoct a lotion with cannabinoids, tea tree oil and peppermint oil all at once. I know it'll do wonders for both my back and Ginette's hands/fingers.

I urge you to add these elements to your cream once you are done. There are more herbal remedies under the sun than simply cannabis and they can help immensely. And please take this in the right light. I'm only trying to help ease your pain.

 

[Magnus8]

GREAT NEWS!!! For anyone interested I'd like to announce that I am the very proud purveyor of my very own mmj license as of about 2:00 p.m. this afternoon!

Fin-al-fuck-ing-ly is all I can say. After all the machinations, after all the run around, after all the "We'd like your psych to sign off on it's", after all the bloody run around -- wait, I already said that, well there were a lot of them -- after all of simply IT, I went to a new doctor today and was rushed through the process so fast it was incredible and had my license within 45 minutes. (How's THAT for a run on sentence from the writer, eh?)

Seriously, I'm thrilled with my new status of being a medical cannabis patient. My prescription is for 4 grams/day (for anyone who knows the Canadian system), which allows me to buy 4-2/7 ounces of cannabis per month at a rate of between $6.75 - $9.50 per gram.

WHAT?!? Who are they Kidding? I don't have that kind of money. I live on government disability. So then that allows me to GROW up to 20 plants at a time, the seeds of which I'm supposed to buy from those same dispensaries that want to rob me blind. In other words, I'm only allowed to grow, hence use, the strains that the dispensaries dispense. No CBD Critical Mass, Yes Bedrolite. No Blue Dream, Yes Bediol. No Ice Bomb, Yes Bedica, No Cinderella 99, Yes Bedrocan, No Kali Mist, Yes Bedrobinol. You get the picture. All the wonderful strains for pain and anxiety and depression that I just finished ordering from my seed guy I can no longer grow legally because the Bedrolite, Bediol and Bedica are the only ones that my dispensary (or, Licensed Provider, or LP, as they are called in Canada) sell. I haven't the freedom to choose the strains I want to grow to treat my own issues. Fuck how I hate Canada even more than usual in this moment. I knew about this monolithical system before I went today, but I didn't have to think about it as it really is, in my face and up my ass. No matter how you try to work it they STILL control your every move here.

So now, in order to grow legally, I have to buy seeds from my LP and either use only those seed in my grow or, more likely, throw them in the toilet and grow my own seeds but be sure to keep the packaging to insist, when I get checked on my the authorities, that every one o f my up to 20 plants in my tent is of seeds that came in that one bag that those other seeds came in. "Yes officer, really, even that purple one over there. It's called 'Bedropurp' but they must have forgotten to list it on the bag! Yes, officer, i found that funny, too."

But despite all the problems and issues of BEING a mmj user in Canada, I STILL AM ONE AS OF TODAY!!!

And for that, dear friends, I am very, very grateful. Finally. There is an end in sight to some of this pain and some of this anxiety that the meds are unable to control. Finally an end to the Fentanyl patch and the addiction that came with it. Finally an end to all the bloody Tylenol 4s that I have to pop like candy and that barely touch the pain, anyway.

Finally, an end to it all (when my stunted grow finally begins to grow like they should and starts to produce some buds... But hey, who's counting the weeks? Not me!)

Goodbye pain and anxiety.

Say hello to the brownies!

 

[Lady Cannafan]

CONGRATULATIONS on the MMJ card!!!!! That is very exciting. Opens a whole new world for you our friend!

 

[Magnus8]

CONGRATULATIONS on the MMJ card!!!!! That is very exciting. Opens a whole new world for you our friend!

Thanks so much, Cannafan. I appreciate your sentiments so much. I know, deep down, that you mean it, deep down.

And how did I know you'd be the first one awake to congratulate me on a SATURDAY morning, eh? hahaha!

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Thanks so much, Cannafan. I appreciate your sentiments so much. I know, deep down, that you mean it, deep down.

And how did I know you'd be the first one awake to congratulate me on a SATURDAY morning, eh? hahaha!

'Cuz.... the early bird gets the weed.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Magnus,

Do you have a favorite source for quality essential oils?



I've got all of my little crocks on low, so when I get the fever later I'll have my butters all melted and ready.
Just realized, looking through my essentials oils stock that I am very limited right now. Need to stock up!

 

[Magnus8]

Cuz the early bird gets the glo/gro-worm!!!

Okay, it's a stretch, but it works in my books. And it's funny!!!

Puttin' up my scrog today...

Wow -- things are moving quick! Pics later today in my journal. Come take a look if you get the chance.

 

[Magnus8]

Magnus,

Do you have a favorite source for quality essential oils?



I've got all of my little crocks on low, so when I get the fever later I'll have my butters all melted and ready.
Just realized, looking through my essentials oils stock that I am very limited right now. Need to stock up!

I don't, actually. I ALWAYS purchase my essential oils from whichever soapcrafting supply store I'm into at the moment. However, I do find that Soap Queen - Tutorials on soapmaking, bath fizzies, lotions and more has great essential oils. For a soapmaking site, she is brilliant. The quality of everything she sells is top notch, including not just her essential oils, but all her oils. Also, Wholesale Soap Making Supplies and Handmade Cosmetic Supplies - WholesaleSuppliesPlus is supposed to be quite good, too, though I've never used them I've heard great things about them. Soap Making Supplies | Essential Oils | Cosmetic & Spa Supplies | Saffire Blue Inc. | Canada | USA is truly my goto place for everything to do with oils, essential oils, etc. Everything to do with soap, lotions, etc. They are based in Canada but serve the States, too.

That offer some choices?

Hey, whatcha making today?

 

[HashGirl]

GREAT NEWS!!! For anyone interested I'd like to announce that I am the very proud purveyor of my very own mmj license as of about 2:00 p.m. this afternoon!

Fin-al-fuck-ing-ly is all I can say. After all the machinations, after all the run around, after all the "We'd like your psych to sign off on it's", after all the bloody run around -- wait, I already said that, well there were a lot of them -- after all of simply IT, I went to a new doctor today and was rushed through the process so fast it was incredible and had my license within 45 minutes. (How's THAT for a run on sentence from the writer, eh?)

Seriously, I'm thrilled with my new status of being a medical cannabis patient. My prescription is for 4 grams/day (for anyone who knows the Canadian system), which allows me to buy 4-2/7 ounces of cannabis per month at a rate of between $6.75 - $9.50 per gram.

WHAT?!? Who are they Kidding? I don't have that kind of money. I live on government disability. So then that allows me to GROW up to 20 plants at a time, the seeds of which I'm supposed to buy from those same dispensaries that want to rob me blind. In other words, I'm only allowed to grow, hence use, the strains that the dispensaries dispense. No CBD Critical Mass, Yes Bedrolite. No Blue Dream, Yes Bediol. No Ice Bomb, Yes Bedica, No Cinderella 99, Yes Bedrocan, No Kali Mist, Yes Bedrobinol. You get the picture. All the wonderful strains for pain and anxiety and depression that I just finished ordering from my seed guy I can no longer grow legally because the Bedrolite, Bediol and Bedica are the only ones that my dispensary (or, Licensed Provider, or LP, as they are called in Canada) sell. I haven't the freedom to choose the strains I want to grow to treat my own issues. Fuck how I hate Canada even more than usual in this moment. I knew about this monolithical system before I went today, but I didn't have to think about it as it really is, in my face and up my ass. No matter how you try to work it they STILL control your every move here.

So now, in order to grow legally, I have to buy seeds from my LP and either use only those seed in my grow or, more likely, throw them in the toilet and grow my own seeds but be sure to keep the packaging to insist, when I get checked on my the authorities, that every one o f my up to 20 plants in my tent is of seeds that came in that one bag that those other seeds came in. "Yes officer, really, even that purple one over there. It's called 'Bedropurp' but they must have forgotten to list it on the bag! Yes, officer, i found that funny, too."

But despite all the problems and issues of BEING a mmj user in Canada, I STILL AM ONE AS OF TODAY!!!

And for that, dear friends, I am very, very grateful. Finally. There is an end in sight to some of this pain and some of this anxiety that the meds are unable to control. Finally an end to the Fentanyl patch and the addiction that came with it. Finally an end to all the bloody Tylenol 4s that I have to pop like candy and that barely touch the pain, anyway.

Finally, an end to it all (when my stunted grow finally begins to grow like they should and starts to produce some buds... But hey, who's counting the weeks? Not me!)

Goodbye pain and anxiety.

Say hello to the brownies!