Magnus8's Canna Cream, Body Butter & Canna Lotion Study Hall

[Magnus8]

I got a stupid question,
I assume we are infusing the light oil with our buds. How strong can we get that oil to mix it with our 80% water?
This ratio just seem off to me.
Could we get a more potent lotion by extracting the good stuff with solvent like RSO and using that.?
Thank you for this post. I was just going to grab some stuff mix it up and be done with it. Now I have been doing some research and realize I probably would have waisted my time and money by not using preservatives. Yet alone who know what might have turned green and fell off.
I did find a site Soap Queen that does have some decent looking recipes


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That is NOT a stupid question at all. I was wondering the same exact thing, pondering on this very problem myself. You've hit on a very important question about lotions: How are we going to make them strong enough when 70% - 80% of them is water based? I was thinking the exact same solution, too. If Rick Simpson Oil (RSO) is so very potent, then maybe we should include it as part of our ingredients in our formulation? I see no other way around this problem and have been pondering it for about the last 4 weeks. Bravo Moe!! Bravo for hitting on a very real problem in canna lotion making and coming up with a workable solution!

 

[Magnus8]

And...I finally got my laptop back with the Body Scrub bar recipe. Remember this is just to be used as an exfoliate scrub, like people do with sugar and salt scrub bars. There is no infusion of cannabis, just the benefits of the hemp seeds (and almonds) as an exfoliate, and the unrefined hemp seed oil.

This is basically what I did, these might not be exact....I did tell you I winged it right? I followed the first few ingredients from a recipe on the net, then winged it from there:

30g | 1.05oz shea butter
25g | 0.88oz Coconut oil
25g | 0.88oz unrefined hemp seed oil
20g | 0.7oz beeswax

1 oz. ground up hemp seeds
1/2 oz. ground up almonds
3 drops Lavender Essential oil
1/4 tsp. Tea tree oil
2 vitamin E capsule contents
1/4 tsp. Aloe vera oil

Now I'm looking forward to reading what I should change in that recipe to get those bars firmer so they don't melt away so fast.



Edit: I just remembered something I didn't log when I did that recipe. I had just a little bit of Cocoa Butter left, and I added that. I don't think it was more than 1/8th oz. or so.

Adding harder oils and butters might help to firm up your bars. The cocoa butter was a grand idea, especially if you were to add more. And lets face it, it smells so darned nice, doesn't it? More Shea Butter would harden it up some, as would keeping it stored below I believe it's 76 degrees Fahrenheit (Coconut Oil melts at 76 degrees, which is why it is often called 76 Coconut Oil). And more beeswax, of course, but that might reduce their efficacy if they are meant to be therapeutic scrub bars. Stick with the harder oils, though your choices are limited. And though shea butter is called a hard oil, I have trouble thinking of it as such. I think of it as more of a "sticky" oil, rather than a "hard" oil. But cocoa butter is definitely a hard oil. So is mango butter more of a hard oil that might work. And it sounds so damned exotic, right?

I'm sorry, that's all I have. I've never formulated any scrub bars before.

 

[HashGirl]

Good afternoon, folks.

Let me tell you how my day went. About 3 this morning, I woke up and the middle and ring fingers on my left hand were super sore, about an 8 out of 10 on the pain scale. I took more cannaoil and went back to sleep. When I got up a couple of hours later, it was now the ring finger and the pinkie on my right hand that were at an 8 out of 10 so I took more oil but the oil hardly touched the pain.


What to do, what to do? I didn't want to resort to ibuprofen, you know. But, I need my hands as I'm a secretary and it's hard to do my job without doing any typing.





I've been learning about making a canna-infused topical with high THC, right? Well, I haven't made it yet but I did have some Hash Plant cannaoil that I've been taking internally and it was made with olive oil so I decided to put some on my fingers and rub it in and lo and behold, it took that pain right down to about a 2 or 3 for the remainder of the day. Gotta love that!


So, now I know -- I KNOW I have to make a canna-infused topical. I already have decarbed Hash Plant and some beeswax pastilles on the way. I just need an easy recipe. Any ideas?

 

[HashGirl]

Thank you for this, Cannafan (CF) but now I'm more confused. I thought Magnus was saying if we want to use coconut oil, we should be using the fractionated coconut oil but this info below seems to make a stronger case for virgin coconut oil.

Hope you don't mind, Magnus8...you have touched on fractionated Coconut oil a couple of times, so I thought I would post some information on the differences between that and regular Coconut oil. In this article it discusses "virgin Coconut oil". I don't remember if you had mentioned anything on that.

Please note that this article does not mention the absorption abilities, or how deep it goes into the skin, which has been discussed here as not being the best method as a main carrier oil for that purpose. It only mentions several times the "therapeutic" qualities.

This information came from:

The Difference Between Virgin Coconut Oil and Fractionated Coconut Oil - Aromatic Notes...

Copied here for convenience

Coconut oil
is a popular ingredient used in several types of aromatherapy products. However, there are different types of coconut oil which you can use — and you may want to understand the difference between a good quality coconut oil, and one of lesser quality. The difference will affect the therapeutic properties of your product — and the final outcome.

The Source of Coconut Oil

Coconut oil is extracted from the fruit of the palm tree. The large drupe, or fruit, has a hard endocarp. The endocarp and the seed are the two parts of the coconut which are of interest commercially. The seed contains the copra and the solid coconut oil; it is this oil which is used in the commercial product of coconut oil. How the coconut oil is extracted, is what differentiates virgin coconut oil from natural coconut oil, and the various processes it endures after extraction is what separate it from fractionated coconut oil.

Virgin coconut oil is considered to be superior to both natural and fractionated coconut oil for several reasons: It has a longer shelf life, has a more distinctive aroma than other types of coconut oil — and it has the most natural therapeutic properties, without the addition of chemicals or a change in its properties, due to the extraction method used, and chemical processes applied.

The Extraction of Coconut Oil

Coconut oil, at its source, is a highly saturated, white, solid fat. This fat has a melting point of 25 degrees centigrade. The fleshy part of the coconut is extracted either by cold pressing it, or through solvent extraction. Virgin coconut oil is extracted without the use of heat: The heat changes the chemical composition, and the therapeutic properties, of the resulting oil. Coconut oil that has been extracted with the use of heat is not virgin coconut oil, although it is still essentially sold as "natural" coconut oil. Coconut oil which is extracted through solvent extraction involves the use of chemicals and, again, is not virgin coconut oil but can be described as "natural."

Fractionated Coconut Oil

Fractionated coconut oil is a fraction of the whole oil: Certain components of the oil are separated or removed from the oil for a particular use. Different uses of fractionated coconut oil include industrial, medical applications and beauty products. However, it is not the complete, virgin coconut oil.

Virgin Coconut Oil

Virgin coconut oil retains the plant's original chemical composition — and consequently the plant's therapeutic benefits. Coconut oil contains for the most part saturated fatty acids, with a small percentage of monounsaturated fatty acids and polyunsaturated fatty acids. It also contains glycerides. Natural coconut oil contains short and medium-chain length triglycerides whereas fractionated coconut oil may have certain medium-chain fatty acids removed or separated.

Uses of Coconut Oil

Virgin coconut oil contains vitamins, anti-oxidants and minerals which are beneficial to skin care and beauty products, aromatherapy blends, massage oils, soaps and hair care products. Fractionated coconut oil may not contain all of the same vitamins, anti-oxidants and minerals, in the same way that natural coconut oil (which has been solvent extracted or extracted with the use of heat) may not.

Virgin coconut oil is usually more expensive than other types of coconut oil — but it contains the true therapeutic properties of the plant which have not been tampered with.

 

[jingo]

That is NOT a stupid question at all. I was wondering the same exact thing, pondering on this very problem myself. You've hit on a very important question about lotions: How are we going to make them strong enough when 70% - 80% of them is water based? I was thinking the exact same solution, too. If Rick Simpson Oil (RSO) is so very potent, then maybe we should include it as part of our ingredients in our formulation? I see no other way around this problem and have been pondering it for about the last 4 weeks. Bravo Moe!! Bravo for hitting on a very real problem in canna lotion making and coming up with a workable solution!

I'm making an everclear extract to infuse a carrier oil. I sent a flower off for testing about a week ago, supposed to be 2:1 THC:CBD. Then once I have the tincture I'll have it tested so I know exactly how much extract to use.

 

[Magnus8]

Thank you for this, Cannafan (CF) but now I'm more confused. I thought Magnus was saying if we want to use coconut oil, we should be using the fractionated coconut oil but this info below seems to make a stronger case for virgin coconut oil.

Hi Hashgirl (and Cannafan, too),

Actually, in edibles I would certainly use virgin coconut oil in all my recipes. I only make a case for fractionated coconut oil to be used in topicals -- anything you would spread on your body. In a topical, virgin coconut oil will not seep into the skin very well and, consequently, will not be a good carrier oil for your cannabinoids. If you infuse virgin coconut oil (or any other coconut oil that is not fractionated) with cannabis, you are basically going to have to use it in your cooking or for use in your edibles or maybe even in your capsules (I don't know much about capsules). You should not try to use it in either a cream (butter) or a lotion because it just isn't goign to work out well for you. If you want to make something to spread on your skin for pain relief, it is much better to be using fractionated coconut oil because the elements of the oil that are removed make it a perfect oil to sink into your skin. I already use it as a carrier oil for peppermint and tea tree essential oils, and it works wonderfully. Sinks in within about 10 minutes into my muscles offering up much pain relief.

I know it is confusing to get these two oils straight and to understand how each one works. They are so different from each other that they really cannot even be thought of as the same oil. Even their texture is completely different. Whereas virgin coconut oil is a solid at room temperature (below 76 degrees Fahrenheit), fractionated coconut oil is a very runny liquid.

Does that help straighten things out for you? I hope no one else was confused by this, but I'm sure everyone was...

Besides, though virgin coconut oil is better for you to eat, you wouldn't really expect to get your dietary benefits by spreading something on your skin.

 

[HashGirl]

We are friends, Magnus but I'm glad you cleared that up. That said, true friends would answer each other's PMs. Just sayin'...

Yes, I saw that. I was concerned, after sending it, that you would think I was stalking you, being married and all I didn't want you to think this at all. That's why I never replied, he says sheepishly and stupidly. I really wasn't stalking you. I just want to be friends.

 

[Dave Groomer]

I'm making an everclear extract to infuse a carrier oil. I sent a flower off for testing about a week ago, supposed to be 2:1 THC:CBD. Then once I have the tincture I'll have it tested so I know exactly how much extract to use.

What was the flower? Blue Blood?

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Thank you so much for explaining the Virgin Coconut oil question that Hashgirl posted. I like how they explained the differences in the oils, but hadn't seen you mention virgin oil as yet.

Now we know.....



On the scrub bars, I got more cocoa butter a couple of weeks ago. So, I'm going to give this another shot with using more of that in there.

Thanks a bunch! And, yes....they do smell awesome. They make the whole bathroom smell great.

 

[jingo]

What was the flower? Blue Blood?

Industrial plant CBD Autoflower by Dinafem. 25 ounces in 82 days one plant

 

[Radogast]

I'm making an everclear extract to infuse a carrier oil. I sent a flower off for testing about a week ago, supposed to be 2:1 THC:CBD. Then once I have the tincture I'll have it tested so I know exactly how much extract to use.

Way to go

Making your Concentrated Cannabis Oil (CCO) via an Everclear extract, then testing your CCO.

Good quality control. This should really help with medicinal dosing.

Industrial plant CBD Autoflower by Dinafem. 25 ounces in 82 days one plant

Thats a very nice yield.

If you processing a good portion of this into oil (CCO), this makes the testing worth the cost.

 

[Magnus8]

The information I'm going to start feeding you about different oils are for your future reference. All of these oils are easily obtained from any soap or lotion crafter supply site that you can look up. The information is going to be very basic as I'm not an expert in oils, only a debutant. I just know that there are certain and specific oils that I like to use in my lotions and creams. I am hoping that what I feed you will interest you enough to seek out information about them on your own, maybe because you like what I write about or you like the idea of how oily they either feel or how not oily they feel on the skin, or maybe just because their name intrigues you. Whatever inspires you, I just hope you are inspired enough to check them out on your own. If not all, then at least some.

I'm going to do a lot of copy and pasting here, and I won't be attributing the websites that I am pasting from, simply because of the sheer number of websites I will be copying from. (Sorry, Cannafan. I just know you'll be hating me for this!)

So with that said, my first oil will be one called Apricot Kernel Oil, information to be found in the next posting I post!

(I do hope you look some of these up. I find oils to be terribly exciting. Yes, yes -- I know. I'm a lotioncrafter and soapcrafter at heart.)

 

[Magnus8]

Apricot Kernel Oil

Density: Light
Penetration: Medium
Oily Feel: Heavy

Apricot kernel seed oil is a light and gentle oil used in creams, lotions and other beauty products to balance, nourish and lubricate your skin. Organic apricot kernel oil is cold pressed and has a very faint aroma.

Apricot kernel seed oil is light and gently moisturizes skin. Choose apricot kernel oil to moisturize balanced skin, oily skin and hormone reactive skin. The light texture of apricot kernel oil makes it useful in face serums, or mixtures of oils used to moisturize the face. Apricot kernel oil is especially useful for oily complexions. Though apricot kernel oil is most useful for oily complexions, it is gentle enough to use on any skin type. Apricot kernel oil will also help rehydrate dry skin.

Organic apricot kernel oil is rich in gamma linoleic acid, or GLA, which comes from essential fatty acid omega-6. The GLA content in apricot kernel oil helps skin to maintain moisture balance. GLA also plays a role in firming and toning your skin. Additionally, organic apricot kernel oil contains vitamin A and E, which soothe the skin and slow signs of aging. The nourishing properties of apricot kernel seed oil have an anti-inflammatory effect and may soothe minor skin conditions such as eczema.

Apricot kernel seed oil provides lubrication for the skin. As a light and gentle lubricant, which is appropriate for sensitive skin types, apricot kernel oil is frequently used in massage. In "Face Creams, Hair Rinses, and Body Lotions: Recipes for Natural Beauty," Gill Farrer-Halls uses apricot kernel oil as a lubricating ingredient in lip balms. Farrer-Halls says that apricot kernel oil is suited for use on the delicate, sensitive skin of your lips.

Rich in essential fatty acids like oleic and linoleic acid, apricot kernel oil is high in vitamin A. Since it moderately penetrates the skin, it is a relatively good oil for prematurely aged, dry or irritated skin. The excellent softening and moisturizing properties are great for face, hands and hair.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

The information I'm going to start feeding you about different oils are for your future reference. All of these oils are easily obtained from any soap or lotion crafter supply site that you can look up. The information is going to be very basic as I'm not an expert in oils, only a debutant. I just know that there are certain and specific oils that I like to use in my lotions and creams. I am hoping that what I feed you will interest you enough to seek out information about them on your own, maybe because you like what I write about or you like the idea of how oily they either feel or how not oily they feel on the skin, or maybe just because their name intrigues you. Whatever inspires you, I just hope you are inspired enough to check them out on your own. If not all, then at least some.

I'm going to do a lot of copy and pasting here, and I won't be attributing the websites that I am pasting from, simply because of the sheer number of websites I will be copying from. (Sorry, Cannafan. I just know you'll be hating me for this!)

So with that said, my first oil will be one called Apricot Kernel Oil, information to be found in the next posting I post!

(I do hope you look some of these up. I find oils to be terribly exciting. Yes, yes -- I know. I'm a lotioncrafter and soapcrafter at heart.)

Pffffttt......I don't hate anyone. And we completely understand what you'll be doing. Learning from the information supplied on the internet and putting into your own application with your own flair is nothing new to any of us. LOL

Apricot Kernel Oil, I think I have some of that. I really need to get my supplies organized if I'm going to get back into this for my new reasons.

 

[Magnus8]

Hey Cannafan,

Sent you a private message about the grow pots yesterday. If you have a chance to answer it, would you mind doing so? Thanks so much. Didn't want to do it here because it has absolutely nothing to do with creams and lotions.

Like that ever stopped me from writing about my book. Hahaha.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Hey Cannafan,

Sent you a private message about the grow pots yesterday. If you have a chance to answer it, would you mind doing so? Thanks so much. Didn't want to do it here because it has absolutely nothing to do with creams and lotions.

Like that ever stopped me from writing about my book. Hahaha.

I'll check for that. Usually I get pop ups that let me know. I may have missed it.

I got my additional cocoa butter into the scrub bars, I think they are going to be much firmer. I'll test one out this weekend and see how it melts...or doesn't. I want to add something for a bit of lathering too, make it foamy when applied. Any suggestions?

 

[Magnus8]

I'll check for that. Usually I get pop ups that let me know. I may have missed it.

I got my additional cocoa butter into the scrub bars, I think they are going to be much firmer. I'll test one out this weekend and see how it melts...or doesn't. I want to add something for a bit of lathering too, make it foamy when applied. Any suggestions?

I'm sorry, Cannafan,

But I don't have the word "foamy" in my oil & additives vocabulary!

 

[Lady Cannafan]

I'm sorry, Cannafan,

But I don't have the word "foamy" in my oil & additives vocabulary!

Lather up. With frothy white foams of bubbles like regular soap bars do.

This recipe didn't do much in the way of bubbles and lather.

 

[Radogast]

Lather up. With frothy white foams of bubbles like regular soap bars do.

This recipe didn't do much in the way of bubbles and lather.

Some people (5%?) are sensitive, but how about Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (the notorious SLS? )
I think it's a salt derived from coconut alcohol - but it's also the world standard foaming agent in toothpaste, soap, and shampoo.

 

[Magnus8]

Some people (5%?) are sensitive, but how about Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (the notorious SLS? )
I think it's a salt derived from coconut alcohol - but it's also the world standard foaming agent in toothpaste, soap, and shampoo.

Sodium Lauryl Sulfate is unsafe for human use.

The proper alternate to use in the same formulations is SLSA -- Sodium Lauryl Solfoeacetate, whichi is safe for human use, and yes, it is made from a combination of both Coconut Oils and Palm Oils, even though it has a name that sounds like it would kill a cow.

I first thought of suggesting to Cannafan that this might be acceptable, but it would not work for what she is doing. SLSA (and it's unsafe counterpart SLS) both need water to foam AND agitation. It doesn't just foam on its own. I used to use it in my Bubble Truffles that I used to sell, and the way it worked was that you had to run it under water to break up the truffles and then agitate the water with your hands to get the bubbles. And the "foam" they produce isn't actually a foam. It is bubbles. Like the kind of action you get from a bubble bath, not the kind of action you would get that you could consider a foam.

Though I seriously considered suggesting SLSA to Cannafan, I seriously doubt that it would work which is why I neglected to do so. Not trying to burst your bubble Radogast (pun intended!), but thought I'd better pop in here (yes, pun intended) and tell how this rather safe product works for bath bubble production.

Hope all is well with you!