Magnus8's Canna Cream, Body Butter & Canna Lotion Study Hall

[CCOiler]

Hi guys, good thread Magnus8

QUESTION: Would any or all of you "Mad scientist Guru's" (Magnus, Cannafan, Rado & SuperGroomer & others) mind giving me (us) an Ointment recipe filled with high THC and preservatives thin enough to go into a empty roll on bottle that would last for a long time?

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Sodium Lauryl Sulfate is unsafe for human use.

The proper alternate to use in the same formulations is SLSA -- Sodium Lauryl Solfoeacetate, whichi is safe for human use, and yes, it is made from a combination of both Coconut Oils and Palm Oils, even though it has a name that sounds like it would kill a cow.

I first thought of suggesting to Cannafan that this might be acceptable, but it would not work for what she is doing. SLSA (and it's unsafe counterpart SLS) both need water to foam AND agitation. It doesn't just foam on its own. I used to use it in my Bubble Truffles that I used to sell, and the way it worked was that you had to run it under water to break up the truffles and then agitate the water with your hands to get the bubbles. And the "foam" they produce isn't actually a foam. It is bubbles. Like the kind of action you get from a bubble bath, not the kind of action you would get that you could consider a foam.

Though I seriously considered suggesting SLSA to Cannafan, I seriously doubt that it would work which is why I neglected to do so. Not trying to burst your bubble Radogast (pun intended!), but thought I'd better pop in here (yes, pun intended) and tell how this rather safe product works for bath bubble production.

Hope all is well with you!

It might work. I want the soap to get bubbly and foamy while using it with water, in the shower. I don't want it to be bubbly or foamy unless it's being used.....with the water.
Some people are stuck on having a soap that foams or lathers when used. I don't care if it does or not, but I want to be able to make it do that.

 

[Canyon]

Hi guys, good thread Magnus8

QUESTION: Would any or all of you "Mad scientist Guru's" (Magnus, Cannafan, Rado & SuperGroomer & others) mind giving me (us) an Ointment recipe filled with high THC and preservatives thin enough to go into a empty roll on bottle that would last for a long time?

Oiler,

I have not been keeping up with this thread. I intended to catch up before doing anything with lotions. Then I stumbled onto your post.

FWIW I am going to mix some rosin with grape seed oil for a role on tomorrow. I still have not decided on a concentration (Thoughts are welcome.)

I have two bottles of commercial oil. The one I have used and had good results with, as a role on, has MCT oil (Not sure what that is.)and cannabis listed as ingredients. It is sold as an oral tincture. It contains 8mg THC and 150mg CBD in 30ml. As is, it roles on well and absorbs well.

The second bottle is also sold as an oral tincture. I have not used as a topical. It contains glycerin, water, emulsifier, lecithin, potassium sorbet, and peppermint listed as other ingredients. The per serving active ingredients are, hemp oil 28mg, CBD 3mg and stevia extract 7ug. There is 160 servings in a 60ml bottle.

Er,.... with luck I will catch up with the thread tomorrow.

I never know
canyon

 

[Magnus8]

Hi guys, good thread Magnus8

QUESTION: Would any or all of you "Mad scientist Guru's" (Magnus, Cannafan, Rado & SuperGroomer & others) mind giving me (us) an Ointment recipe filled with high THC and preservatives thin enough to go into a empty roll on bottle that would last for a long time?

Hi CCOiler,

I have some thoughts for you, but hope you don't mind waiting until tomorrow. I'm pretty pooped tonight and just want to go to bed and rest my back.

But I have some thoughts that I'm sure will work as long as your roll on bottle can take a relatively thin liquid. I'm sure that's what they usually take, though I've never used one before. If anyone has any information about whether they will take a liquid as thin as water almost, I would really appreciate that.

Best to all, and to all a good night!

 

[Magnus8]

It might work. I want the soap to get bubbly and foamy while using it with water, in the shower. I don't want it to be bubbly or foamy unless it's being used.....with the water.
Some people are stuck on having a soap that foams or lathers when used. I don't care if it does or not, but I want to be able to make it do that.

Why don't you just make a regular soap? They lather up beautifully when made well (with the right oils -- which I could teach you). No need for SLSA or anything else like that which gets in the way of the function of a good soap, anyway. Use the right oils in your soap and it will lather wonderfully, gently and moisturizingly. I can easily teach you what to use. I've been making soap professionally for years. I didn't realize that was what you were making. I thought you wanted your lotion bar to foam (where I got that idea I have no friggin' idea..).

Let me know if you're just making soap and if you want some pointers on what to add to make it lather better. Though soap doesn't need to lather to make a body clean, it does add to the luxuriousness of it, and most people expect it to lather. And if your soap isn't lathering well, well, that could be a problem. I can think of one ingredient (it's an oil) to add to your soap that is going to make it lather much much better than it already does (if it's not lathering well, that is).

Okay, so I'm tired. So shoot me.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Why don't you just make a regular soap? They lather up beautifully when made well (with the right oils -- which I could teach you). No need for SLSA or anything else like that which gets in the way of the function of a good soap, anyway. Use the right oils in your soap and it will lather wonderfully, gently and moisturizingly. I can easily teach you what to use. I've been making soap professionally for years. I didn't realize that was what you were making. I thought you wanted your lotion bar to foam (where I got that idea I have no friggin' idea..).

Let me know if you're just making soap and if you want some pointers on what to add to make it lather better. Though soap doesn't need to lather to make a body clean, it does add to the luxuriousness of it, and most people expect it to lather. And if your soap isn't lathering well, well, that could be a problem. I can think of one ingredient (it's an oil) to add to your soap that is going to make it lather much much better than it already does (if it's not lathering well, that is).

Okay, so I'm tired. So shoot me.

I'm out of ammo and it's expensive. Hope you got some rest.

Yes, I am interested in making it a soap..yet retain the scrub bar features of the exfoliate action with the hemp seeds and almonds.
This is where time gone by is my enemy, I cannot remember how I used to make the soaps lather during my soap making days. I haven't even looked on the net for the answers yet. Work ....work....work.

Whatever you got, I will take note for sure.

CCOiler: Just a thought.... I have made a massage lotion that stayed liquid enough that I believe it would do fine in a roll on. At room temp it is almost perfect consistency for that. I found a recipe on the net for it and gave it a shot.

We'll see what Magnus has for you on that too.

 

[Magnus8]

Hi guys, good thread Magnus8

QUESTION: Would any or all of you "Mad scientist Guru's" (Magnus, Cannafan, Rado & SuperGroomer & others) mind giving me (us) an Ointment recipe filled with high THC and preservatives thin enough to go into a empty roll on bottle that would last for a long time?

Hi CC,

Can you tell me what viscosity of liquid is usually inside the roll on bottle? Is it as thin as water, or is it more like a thin lotion.

If it's as thin as water, I might have a solution. If it's a thin lotion, then you might be best to stick around for a while as we all learn how to make a lotion and make your lotion for your roll on bottle.

As I wrote my response to you last night, I was thinking that the viscosity of the liquid inside was like water, but as I remember back about 45 years to my youth (I've never used one since using a roll on deodorant), I seem to remember it being not like water but being more like a lotion.

We have just begun to learn how to make a lotion and should really be getting underway here soon enough. If you can be patient and hang out for that, you'll be able to make a wonderful lotion that'll work wonders for your roll on bottle (and maybe even for the skin you use it on!). And Cannafan has offered you a lotion recipe, too, that you could use, most likely.

I'm afraid that there's just too much to teach you about the process of making a lotion for me to just slap down a recipe for you. That wouls be very unprofessional and very unkind of me to do, and I don't like to be either.

So with that said, please let me know about that viscosity question.

 

[Magnus8]

I'm out of ammo and it's expensive. Hope you got some rest.

Yes, I am interested in making it a soap..yet retain the scrub bar features of the exfoliate action with the hemp seeds and almonds.
This is where time gone by is my enemy, I cannot remember how I used to make the soaps lather during my soap making days. I haven't even looked on the net for the answers yet. Work ....work....work.

Whatever you got, I will take note for sure.

CCOiler: Just a thought.... I have made a massage lotion that stayed liquid enough that I believe it would do fine in a roll on. At room temp it is almost perfect consistency for that. I found a recipe on the net for it and gave it a shot.

We'll see what Magnus has for you on that too.

Coconut Oil: Makes soaps clean well and produces big, fluffy lather. Can't make a good soap with out it. But it is drying to the skin.
Olive Oil: Adds moisturizing qualities to the soap to counteract the Coconut Oil.
Palm Oil: Hardens the soap into a recognizable form (the bar of soap). Almost always used in combination with the above two oils.
Castor Oil: Yes, the same stuff our grandparents fed to our parents for good health. Adds tons and tons of softy gentle lather. The more of this you have in the soap the closer you soap comes to being a shampoo bar (many of which I've made in my time.)
Shea Butter: I like to use this for all the right reasons.

And there's your (my) basic soap recipe. I usually go with equal amounts of the first three ingredients and top up with theh other two. You can mix and match in different oils, but this is a lovely base to start out with. I won't give you the actual recipe (unless in a pm) because Ginette would kill me. She still thinks that, even though we no longer make soap, this is a proprietary recipe that we have to keep our own little secret. I'm less inclined to do so because I know we'll never make it big with soap. But it's an amazing base for starting up a soap recipe. HINT: Try keeping your Coconut Oil at 30 percent-ish. You can figure out the rest of your ingredients from there. And more Castor Oil is better than less, that I'll say, too.

Much love and care went into this recipe. It feels so strange to let it out there. Treat it with respect, Cannafan. It is given with great respect for you and much love. Gawd, I feel like crying now.

And go to this site to configure your recipe: SoapCalc Home

And if you're at all interested in seeing some of the soaps I produced, check out my Facebook site, Soaps and Lather. I'd like to hear your (anyone's) thoughts on what I used to make...

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Castor Oil! That's what I used to use.

Thanks so much for the information and the nudge to the brain on remembering.

 

[Magnus8]

Castor Oil! That's what I used to use.

Thanks so much for the information and the nudge to the brain on remembering.

You are more than welcome.

Hey, do you know the answer to my viscosity question regarding the roll on applicators? I just don't know what they need. If they can take just a liquid oil, then an infused oil is all CCOiler would need. If they need a lotion, then he should probably stick around for the next bit of time.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

You are more than welcome.

Hey, do you know the answer to my viscosity question regarding the roll on applicators? I just don't know what they need. If they can take just a liquid oil, then an infused oil is all CCOiler would need. If they need a lotion, then he should probably stick around for the next bit of time.

I really don't know, I'm sure CCOiler will clarify that when he gets back around to here.
I think, personally, if I wanted a roll on I would want it to be more like a lotion that wouldn't drip off the applicator roll. Seems like I used roll on deodorants back in the day that were like a lotion. A thicker viscosity. I'm going to experiment with my massage oil and pour some into a roll on bottle, if I can find one somewhere.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

By gosh, that worked out nice. I put the room temp infused massage oil in a roller bottle and it rolled onto my arm very nicely and didn't make a mess.
So, I think if Magnus comes up with a nice lotion recipe for us, it will work out great in a roller. If it's too thick, it can always be thinned down to accommodate. This would be a great discretionary way of traveling with your topical meds.

 

[Canyon]

Hi CC,

Can you tell me what viscosity of liquid is usually inside the roll on bottle? Is it as thin as water, or is it more like a thin lotion.

If it's as thin as water, I might have a solution. If it's a thin lotion, then you might be best to stick around for a while as we all learn how to make a lotion and make your lotion for your roll on bottle.

As I wrote my response to you last night, I was thinking that the viscosity of the liquid inside was like water, but as I remember back about 45 years to my youth (I've never used one since using a roll on deodorant), I seem to remember it being not like water but being more like a lotion.

We have just begun to learn how to make a lotion and should really be getting underway here soon enough. If you can be patient and hang out for that, you'll be able to make a wonderful lotion that'll work wonders for your roll on bottle (and maybe even for the skin you use it on!). And Cannafan has offered you a lotion recipe, too, that you could use, most likely.

I'm afraid that there's just too much to teach you about the process of making a lotion for me to just slap down a recipe for you. That wouls be very unprofessional and very unkind of me to do, and I don't like to be either.

So with that said, please let me know about that viscosity question.

Magnus
Role on
The viscosity of the oil I have tried is about the same as or a little thicker than olive oil. The grape seed oil is thinner. Rosin is a near solid at room temp.

The questions started with a post I made here.

https://www.420magazine.com/community/threads/sweetsues-cannabis-oil-study-hall-post3231540.273147/#po SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

The bottles I bought are about 10ml, cobalt blue and have metal ball applicators. They came from the jungle store and they work well with what I have been using.

With grape seed being thinner and the rosin thicker, I am hoping to end up with a viscosity near olive oil.

Best

 

[Magnus8]

Things to Purchase (if you do not already have) to Make Lotions

Cannafan, this one's for the blog!

Like any new endeavour, making lotions requires some specialized equipment. Like playing basketball, you wouldn't think of it if all you had was a baseball and a hockey net. No, you would need to purchase a basketball and a hoop. Well, lotions are going to be like that. Most of this stuff is relatively inexpensive, but each is necessary. Nothing will substitute for what I am suggesting you purchase. Much of it can be found at a store like WalMart, but some of it you may have to go to Staples for (like the scale) or purchase from Amazon or some other online store (like a soapcrafter or lotioncrafter supply store). Nonetheless, it is all RELATIVELY inexpensive.

1) Scale: You need a scale that reads in grams, not ounces. I know you Americans are freaking out right now, but as there are 28 grams to the one ounce, grams are obviously much more accurate. And for lotions, we need to be accurate in our measurements.

2) Microwave: Okay, okay. So everyone's got one. But what if yours broke like mine has and you don't have a microwave on hand anymore? Then you either need to buy a new/used one or have a set of two crockpots on hand or have a set of two doubleboilers on hand. I vouch for the microwave first, the crockpots second, the doublboilers third. Enough said.

3) Digital Food Thermometre: Yes, you must have a digital one. They respond much more quickly to changes in temperature, they are relatively easy to read when you're in a rush, and they work great to read the temperature in your grow tent. Okay, so that last one has nothing to do with making lotions, but that's what mine is being used for at the moment. And don't forget the batteries!

4) 70% Isopropyl Alcohol (Rubbing Alcohol): This is for sterilizing your equipment. If you can put some in a clean unused spray bottle (which you can get at a dollar store) then all the better. You use it to clean off your surfaces where you will work. You will use it to sterilize your spoons, spatulas, etc. You will use it to sterilize your stick blender. You will use it basically to sterilize everything and anything that will come into contact with your lotions. This includes the insides of your bottling bottles and their caps. Everything. Anything.

5) Stick Blender: This is the blender that you hold in one hand and blend with the "wand" that sticks out the bottom. I know that was a terrible way of describing it (and I'm supposed to be the writer here...) but I'm a little tired this morning. They're not too expensive and can be had from WalMart, too. Try to get a good one. You'll be wanting to use it in your smoothies later on when you're bored of making lotions.

6) RSO (Rick Simpson Oil): I don't know if CCO is the same thing as RSO (I don't even know what CCO stands for. Hence another reason for people on this site to use proper acronym attribution...). If it is, then I'm sure it could be used instead of RSO. I'm familiar with RSO, though, and know that it would do the trick. We will use this to add to our lotion oils before mixing with water and emulsifier to infuse them with the good stuff we all care about.

7) Other Stuff: Assorted jars, spoons, silicone spatulas (yes, silicone because it works best and doesn't absorb anything that would contaminate your lotion), bottles to store the lotion in (maybe with a pump?), clean cloths, etc.

And I think that about covers it. I would suggest that everyone who wants to make a lotion soon should begin to acquire this stuff as fast as you can. Because we have an important date coming up...

I'd like to propose that we set a date (afternoon or evening) where we all commit to making our lotions "together" and will all be available to chat about it during (if we have problems) and afterwards. I was thinking we could come up with a common date/time together and all commit to making our first lotion together, at the same time (accommodating for time zones, too, so that we really ARE all working together). I thought that would be the easiest way to support each other and the best way to show our solidarity to what we are trying to produce: our own cannabis infused lotion that we can use to relieve pain.

What do you all think of my idea?

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Got it and blogged it Magnus.

CCO = Concentrated Cannabis Oil or some people may call it Cannabis Concentrated Oil.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Because we are in such different time zones and availability is affected by work, family events...etc. etc....I would propose that maybe we could make it a weekend or two day event to allow others to have the time to test and post?
Just my thoughts.....shoot it down if you like.

 

[Magnus8]

Because we are in such different time zones and availability is affected by work, family events...etc. etc....I would propose that maybe we could make it a weekend or two day event to allow others to have the time to test and post?
Just my thoughts.....shoot it down if you like.

I just thought there could be some value to be had in everyone making it together. Of course, those in vastly different timezones than those in N.America could/would have to adjust for that, but I thought that if we could mostly agree on a particular Saturday afternoon or a Sunday evening, then that would be great. Besides, it would allow us to pose questions and suggest ideas in close to real time (as long as we all refreshed the site often).

Those were my thoughts. But again, shoot 'em down if you like. I'll be the sheep here and follow the herd.

Also, you cannot accurately test a lotion within one day after making it. It takes a good half week to know how the lotion works. Of course, if all we're testing for is whether or not it takes away pain, we can test for that within a few hours, after the lotion has mostly set.

 

[Magnus8]

One thing I forgot to mention that you will need for your lotion is: Distilled Water.

 

[socalmadman]

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[CCOiler]

Oiler,

I have not been keeping up with this thread. I intended to catch up before doing anything with lotions. Then I stumbled onto your post.

FWIW I am going to mix some rosin with grape seed oil for a role on tomorrow. I still have not decided on a concentration (Thoughts are welcome.)

I have two bottles of commercial oil. The one I have used and had good results with, as a role on, has MCT oil (Not sure what that is.)and cannabis listed as ingredients. It is sold as an oral tincture. It contains 8mg THC and 150mg CBD in 30ml. As is, it roles on well and absorbs well.

The second bottle is also sold as an oral tincture. I have not used as a topical. It contains glycerin, water, emulsifier, lecithin, potassium sorbet, and peppermint listed as other ingredients. The per serving active ingredients are, hemp oil 28mg, CBD 3mg and stevia extract 7ug. There is 160 servings in a 60ml bottle.

Er,.... with luck I will catch up with the thread tomorrow.

I never know
canyon

Thank you Canyon, I look forward to any info you are willing to share

I'm out of ammo and it's expensive. Hope you got some rest.

CCOiler: Just a thought.... I have made a massage lotion that stayed liquid enough that I believe it would do fine in a roll on. At room temp it is almost perfect consistency for that. I found a recipe on the net for it and gave it a shot.

We'll see what Magnus has for you on that too.

Thank you Sista

I really don't know, I'm sure CCOiler will clarify that when he gets back around to here.
I think, personally, if I wanted a roll on I would want it to be more like a lotion that wouldn't drip off the applicator roll. Seems like I used roll on deodorants back in the day that were like a lotion. A thicker viscosity. I'm going to experiment with my massage oil and pour some into a roll on bottle, if I can find one somewhere.

That sounds good, I'm looking for a pain killing roll on and if it can smooth out the skin....well I know a lot of people looking for that combo

By gosh, that worked out nice. I put the room temp infused massage oil in a roller bottle and it rolled onto my arm very nicely and didn't make a mess.
So, I think if Magnus comes up with a nice lotion recipe for us, it will work out great in a roller. If it's too thick, it can always be thinned down to accommodate. This would be a great discretionary way of traveling with your topical meds.

Agreed Sista, would you email that recipe to me

Magnus
Role on
The viscosity of the oil I have tried is about the same as or a little thicker than olive oil. The grape seed oil is thinner. Rosin is a near solid at room temp.

The questions started with a post I made here.

https://www.420magazine.com/community/threads/sweetsues-cannabis-oil-study-hall-post3231540.273147/#po SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

The bottles I bought are about 10ml, cobalt blue and have metal ball applicators. They came from the jungle store and they work well with what I have been using.

With grape seed being thinner and the rosin thicker, I am hoping to end up with a viscosity near olive oil.

Best

Now I remember Canyon, it was you that put this thought into my head and as I been reading this thread no one was talking about a roll on pain killer. Thank you very much Canyon

Hi CC,

Can you tell me what viscosity of liquid is usually inside the roll on bottle? Is it as thin as water, or is it more like a thin lotion.

If it's as thin as water, I might have a solution. If it's a thin lotion, then you might be best to stick around for a while as we all learn how to make a lotion and make your lotion for your roll on bottle.

As I wrote my response to you last night, I was thinking that the viscosity of the liquid inside was like water, but as I remember back about 45 years to my youth (I've never used one since using a roll on deodorant), I seem to remember it being not like water but being more like a lotion.

We have just begun to learn how to make a lotion and should really be getting underway here soon enough. If you can be patient and hang out for that, you'll be able to make a wonderful lotion that'll work wonders for your roll on bottle (and maybe even for the skin you use it on!). And Cannafan has offered you a lotion recipe, too, that you could use, most likely.

I'm afraid that there's just too much to teach you about the process of making a lotion for me to just slap down a recipe for you. That wouls be very unprofessional and very unkind of me to do, and I don't like to be either.

So with that said, please let me know about that viscosity question.

I'm at the mercy of this thread, but I will continue to read and learn Magnus, thank you Sir