Magnus8's Canna Cream, Body Butter & Canna Lotion Study Hall

Oh, and Magnus, I answered your PM days ago. :slide: Just sayin'...

Yes, I saw that. I was concerned, after sending it, that you would think I was stalking you, being married and all I didn't want you to think this at all. That's why I never replied, he says sheepishly and stupidly. I really wasn't stalking you. I just want to be friends.
 
One of the benefits that I will be making these creams for is:

THC helps to relieve pain, including localized pain (outer body). Infused in creams or butters, It is used for sore muscles, relieves symptoms of arthritis, and other diseases that cause discomfort. It helps wounds to heal faster and is reported to help to relieve back pain and stiffness.
Mixing my cco into a cream and using it on a stiff/sore knee that was threatening to get worse, relieved it. It loosened up, along with exercising it, and I have little trouble with it now.

Relaxation of the muscles releases the tension blocking the healing energy. I believe this may be why the inclusion of THC helps wounds heal faster. Less tension means more oxygen, for one thing.

That ability to relax muscles can be a godsend to someone with severe back pain. I know when I had problems with my upper back the pain cream was like a sigh of relief for the tight muscles.
 
If you do some research into the history of Cannabis use, you will see eons and eons of people using cannabis as a topical application in some way or another to relieve their illnesses or medical conditions.
I did some blogging on the history of Cannabis and a couple of the articles really dug deep into this. Some of the uses of it would surprise you for sure.

It was used widely in many different cultures for many different purposes of healing, skin care, and pain relief.

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If you do some research into the history of Cannabis use, you will see eons and eons of people using cannabis as a topical application in some way or another to relieve their illnesses or medical conditions.
I did some blogging on the history of Cannabis and a couple of the articles really dug deep into this. Some of the uses of it would surprise you for sure.

It was used widely in many different cultures for many different purposes of healing, skin care, and pain relief.

:thumb:

And here we are, after a mere 70 years or so of prohibitionary attitudes, relearning it, with the added benefits of scientific research to lead us to greater discovery. Ooo.... we have exciting times ahead of us. :slide:
 
I've tried to answer all questions posed, but I'm sure I've missed some of them. Wow! I had no idea my rather long winded surplus of ideas would produce so much activity on the site!

I'd like to get at some more stuff tonight, but I think my love needs to use the computer to do some work on, so it'll have to wait. All my best to everyone tonight.
 
I've tried to answer all questions posed, but I'm sure I've missed some of them. Wow! I had no idea my rather long winded surplus of ideas would produce so much activity on the site!

I'd like to get at some more stuff tonight, but I think my love needs to use the computer to do some work on, so it'll have to wait. All my best to everyone tonight.

"Something tells me you're into something good" (Herman's Hermits, 1965)

Home run Magnus.....:Namaste:
 
This is very interesting indeed. I didn't think about painkilling properties but for dry skin. Right now I am using a hemp cream for my feet and hemp body butter for the rest of the body. It works really well on my skin.

But it has no other properties than moisturising the skin. As I'm a chronic pain patient it would of course make sense to make a painkilling lotion/cream/butter.

It's cool. I'll try both ways as thc makes my gf psychotic I should also make one without any so she can use it too.

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Deville,

You will find cannabis pain cremes at every dispensary in my legal medical state....some have even won first place in our annual Cannabis Cups, which judges cannabis in every form possible, it's tremendous....my patient #1 makes cannabis crème but it is very primitive....dark green, hard, and unsavory for my palate....Canna has made some tremendous looking crème, like right out of Neiman Marcus....my kind of gal...but she, too, is registered for the class of Magnus....

My patient #5 has tremendous back/joint I don't know what pain, and he drives to the pain institute miles away from his home each week; I'm thinking, with my product, I must come up with something to help this guy...it seems within my reach and I am thrilled that the opportunity is presenting itself...
 
they dont make music like they used to, thats for sure! :thumb:

I saw the Beatles in concert at a very very young age, so imagine how that set me up to receive music for the rest of my life.....lord have mercy....it is my tapestry and backdrop....
 
Here is the body butter I use. It's my absolute favourite. No other products have worked better to soften up my dry skin. To make a body butter like this one has been a goal of mine for quite some time now. I have been researching a little bit myself, but the recipes I have found are probably not good enough. Really glad I found this study hall thread. I want to learn everything about this.

This body butter has a perfect consistency according to my preferences and I would love if we could copy this one in this study hall :) Only I want to use the stems, leaves and buds of the plant rather than making it from seed-oil. To have THC/CBD in it and use it as a painkiller would be perfect. Can a body butter be used as a topical as well or is it only lotions that can be used for this?

I see this product has shea-butter and cocoa-butter. What do you think about that?

Anyway. I understand we will talk about lotions now. I am still trying to understand the differences between butter/lotion/cream and so on. Will do some reading on my own to get a better understanding of what we will be doing in this class.

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Found the list of Ingredients

Aqua/Water/Eau (Solvent)
Butyrospermum Parkii Butter/Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea) Butter (Skin Conditioning Agent)
Theobroma Cacao Seed Butter/Theobroma Cacao (Cocoa) Seed Butter (Emollient)
Stearyl Alcohol (Emollient)
Betaine (Skin Conditioning Agent)
Cannabis Sativa Seed Oil (Emollient)
Glycerin (Humectant)
Glycine Soja Oil/Glycine Soja (Soybean) Oil (Emollient)
Glyceryl Stearate (Emulsifying Agent)
PEG-100 Stearate (Surfactant)
Bis-Diglyceryl Polyacyladipate-2 (Emollient)
Bertholletia Excelsa Seed Oil (Emollient)
Cera Alba/Beeswax/Cire d’abeille (Viscosity Controlling Agent)
Ethylhexyl Palmitate (Emollient)
C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate (Emollient)
Caprylyl Glycol (Humectant)
Dimethicone (Skin Conditioning Agent)
Phenoxyethanol (Preservative)
Olea Europaea Fruit Oil/Olea Europaea (Olive) Fruit Oil (Emollient)
Parfum/Fragrance (Fragrance Ingredient)
Xanthan Gum (Viscosity Controlling Agent)
Tocopherol (Antioxidant)
Disodium EDTA (Chelating Agent)
Sodium Hydroxide (pH Adjuster)
Citric Acid (pH Adjuster)
Caramel (Colorant)
CI 19140/Yellow 5 (Colorant)
CI 42090/Blue 1 (Colorant)

Quite a list of thing. Probably don't need all of these
 
This is wonderful!!! I was so convinced that no one would want to know how to make a lotion that I was getting kind of dejected. But yes, I'd love to teach you all how to make lotions from scratch, Cannafan, from scratch. I don't bother with lotion kits nor do I bother with premade mixes that you just add scent to. I make my lotions with good, healthy oils that treat the skin right and that you can experiment with. I make them with love. I'm just the kind of person who just loves to take something from beginning to ending and all the steps in between, no shortcuts here.

So we'll begin by learning about the different oils that can be used in a lotion (or a cream or a butter for that matter). Since I've already told you how to tell the difference between a cream, a butter and a lotion recipe, I'll tell you again!

There is no real discernable difference between a cream and a butter, often referred to as a body butter. They are characterized as having no emulsion to speak of and only just a collection of oils mixed together to a cream consistency, often using beeswax or some other wax like soya wax to develop that consistency. Wax usually makes up to 8% of the total ingredients of the formulation in order to develop that consistency that we refer to as a "butter" or "cream."

A lotion is quite different in both consistency and formulation. Here is the basic makeup of a lotion's formulation, but please don't let it scare you. As time goes on, it will seem less frightening to you.

Light Oils = 8% - 17%
Heavy Oils or Butters = up to 5%
Water or other liquids 75% - 80%
Emulsifying Wax = 3% - 6%
Thickener (such as stearic acid) = up to 3%
Vitamin E Oil = 1%
Preservative = usually at about 1%, but according to manufacturer's directions.

See why I said not to let the formulation freak you out? Really, building a lotion is very, very simple. Much easier than learning how to ride a bike. With learning about how to ride a bike, well, you got to learn to keep your balance, you've got to remember to pedal, you've got to learn so much when it comes to riding a bike. Learning how to make a lotion is nothing like that. It's very easy, in fact. You just have to get used to the language and what those ingredients are. Which I will teach you.

The oils we are going to go through in my short, brief posts on oils that I've been promising to add to the roster for days now. And I will get to it, especially now that there's an interest in developing lotions. For lotions, you've really got to know your oils, for there are so many oils to choose from and each of them has their own qualities and subjectivities. Yes, probably not real subjectivities, for they are inanimate products, but I like to think of different oils as having their own characteristics and ways of being. We've already touched upon coconut oil and grape seed oil in this thread, so maybe I will start with the both of them. That would be a good jumping off point.

Water or other liquids. Yes, or other liquids. You can use chamomile tea. You can use another type of herbal tea. You could use maple syrup, for all I care -- but it'd be a pretty sticky and gross lotion when you were done with it! But you get my drift. If you've got an imagination for waterbased ingredients, then you've got an imagination for different lotions.

Emulsifying wax comes in two forms: e-wax for short, or conditioning emulsifier. E-wax gives a stiffer lotion, whereas conditioning emulsifier gives a more liquid emulsification which tends to result in a smoother lotion that sinks into the skin just a little bit easier. But both are fine, and I often use a combination of the two in each of my recipes to get the best of both worlds.

Thickener is just that -- a thickener for your lotion. Who wants a watery, thin lotion that dribbles down your leg or back as soon as you pump it on? Someone, probably. But not me. I like a rather thick emulsion that I only need a little bit o to do the job right. And Thickener can help you achieve that.

Vitamin E Oil helps your lotion in two ways. First of all, it helps to prevent your oils from going bad. And it also is a wonderful additive for the skin, helping to rejuvenate it and aiding the lotion in providing antioxidants for the skin

Now let's get something very important straight up front right now. Vitamin E Oil is NOT a preservative. I repeat, Vitamin E Oil is NOT a preservative. It helps the oils from oxidizing, thereby aiding in the prevention of your oils from going rancid in your lotion, but that's all it does. It does NOT act as a preservative for your lotion in any way. It only helps to prevent the oils from oxidizing and thereby going rancid in your lotion, but it does NOT act as a preservative for your lotion in any way.

In order to preserve the integrity of your lotion, you MUST add a preservative to your lotion. If you do not, you then MUST go thorough very rigid sterilization techniques that are designed to reduce molds and mildews and bad karma-like bacteria from your working environment to zero levels so that your lotion does not become contaminated during the production process. These particular ways of creating your lotions can be followed -- must be followed if you are not going to be using a preservative in your lotion. Even still, they must never be sold professionally (in fact they are illegal to sell), must be kept in the refrigerator, and MUST be discarded after only 10 days to prevent the growth of bad bacteria in your lotion that could make you very, very ill and if used near the eyes, even cause blindness.

Okay, did I scare you enough into using preservatives in your lotions? Good. That was my intention. Lotions made without preservatives are NOT something to play around with. I would never make them, and I would never, ever even think of selling them.

A note about using lotions around eyes... I do not advocate the use of homemade lotions on the face at all. I know plenty of people who make their own lotions for facial use. I do it myself. But I do not advocate it. I definitely want it to be said up front that I think that home crafted lotions are wonderful things, but I would never make one for someone else that was intended as a facial cream. Too much liability. Too much potential for problems. Too much potential for being sued.

Now, I don't want you to think that you cannot make wonderful lotions with easy methods that don't require you to cleanse your working environment so that you have zero bacteria and zero molds and mildews. This is a way of working where you reduce the nasties to acceptable levels so that your lotion is safe enough, made in a clean enough environment, produced in a good enough environment so that your lotion, while using a preservative, is a strong, sturdy and safe emollient that will last you a long time on the shelf. I currently have several lotions I have produced that were made under these conditions and none of them have gone bad on me. That is the method of cleansing that I will teach you to work under. That is the methodology of working under that I advocate and will teach you to use in this Study Hall. For those who are interested, I will agree to teach you through private messaging how to work under the other methodology, but I will refrain from confusing everyone with those methods in the main Study Hall.

Okay, so I've blurted out a ton of bloody info here today, and much of it is probably very confusing. Don't worry, it will all become clearer as time goes on and everyone becomes more accustomed to the language of creating lotions and the methodologies of doing so, too.For now, here's a few take aways:

1) Understand the difference between lotions, creams and butters.

2) Learn the content of what constitutes a lotion from its specific ingredients.

3) Learn that Vitamin E Oil is NOT a preservative, though many people say it is. It is just an antioxidant that will prevent your oils from spoiling.

And that, my dear friends, is more than enough for today, right?

And my I ask something of you all in return? Would you all please begin to blog all these posts for future reference? I would hate to have to begin to repeat myself after taking such time to write this all down once already. I'm not lazy. I just don't see the need to repeat so much information when there's so much more to come.

SO MUCH MORE TO COME?!? ARE YOU NUTS?!?

Well, yes.

I got a stupid question,
I assume we are infusing the light oil with our buds. How strong can we get that oil to mix it with our 80% water?
This ratio just seem off to me.
Could we get a more potent lotion by extracting the good stuff with solvent like RSO and using that.?
Thank you for this post. I was just going to grab some stuff mix it up and be done with it. Now I have been doing some research and realize I probably would have waisted my time and money by not using preservatives. Yet alone who know what might have turned green and fell off.
I did find a site Soap Queen that does have some decent looking recipes


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This is very interesting indeed. I didn't think about painkilling properties but for dry skin. Right now I am using a hemp cream for my feet and hemp body butter for the rest of the body. It works really well on my skin.

But it has no other properties than moisturising the skin. As I'm a chronic pain patient it would of course make sense to make a painkilling lotion/cream/butter.

It's cool. I'll try both ways as thc makes my gf psychotic I should also make one without any so she can use it too.

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Topicals should not get you high, as they don't enter into the bloodstream.

Having said that, there is a chance of that happening if it gets into an open wound or into mucous membrane areas. Albeit, it would be very little as opposed to smoking or ingesting it.

Which... eventually touches the question on whether you can fail a drug test using infused topicals. There is a chance you could fail a drug test if the above conditions are met. ...open wounds and any mucous membrane areas that can absorb to the bloodstream.

Wash your hands very well after applying an infused topical to avoid getting it into your eyes/nose or areas that you don't want it applied.

:circle-of-love:

Edit: And just for full disclosure here, drug tests can be done on hair, blood, urine...and sweat tests.
 
Found the list of Ingredients

Aqua/Water/Eau (Solvent)
Butyrospermum Parkii Butter/Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea) Butter (Skin Conditioning Agent)
Theobroma Cacao Seed Butter/Theobroma Cacao (Cocoa) Seed Butter (Emollient)
Stearyl Alcohol (Emollient)
Betaine (Skin Conditioning Agent)
Cannabis Sativa Seed Oil (Emollient)
Glycerin (Humectant)
Glycine Soja Oil/Glycine Soja (Soybean) Oil (Emollient)
Glyceryl Stearate (Emulsifying Agent)
PEG-100 Stearate (Surfactant)
Bis-Diglyceryl Polyacyladipate-2 (Emollient)
Bertholletia Excelsa Seed Oil (Emollient)
Cera Alba/Beeswax/Cire d’abeille (Viscosity Controlling Agent)
Ethylhexyl Palmitate (Emollient)
C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate (Emollient)
Caprylyl Glycol (Humectant)
Dimethicone (Skin Conditioning Agent)
Phenoxyethanol (Preservative)
Olea Europaea Fruit Oil/Olea Europaea (Olive) Fruit Oil (Emollient)
Parfum/Fragrance (Fragrance Ingredient)
Xanthan Gum (Viscosity Controlling Agent)
Tocopherol (Antioxidant)
Disodium EDTA (Chelating Agent)
Sodium Hydroxide (pH Adjuster)
Citric Acid (pH Adjuster)
Caramel (Colorant)
CI 19140/Yellow 5 (Colorant)
CI 42090/Blue 1 (Colorant)

Quite a list of thing. Probably don't need all of these

Holy Cow! That IS quite a list. LOL
I'm looking into all of those ingredients, just to see what does what for what on my own research. :laugh:
 
This is very interesting indeed. I didn't think about painkilling properties but for dry skin. Right now I am using a hemp cream for my feet and hemp body butter for the rest of the body. It works really well on my skin.

But it has no other properties than moisturising the skin. As I'm a chronic pain patient it would of course make sense to make a painkilling lotion/cream/butter.

It's cool. I'll try both ways as thc makes my gf psychotic I should also make one without any so she can use it too.

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My version of the cream does not take ALL the pain away. For myself and others that have used it, it will take pain from a 7 or 8 down to a 2. Not gone, but manageable. Add vaping or edibles to take off the rest, when you can. :circle-of-love::peace:
 
Hope you don't mind, Magnus8...you have touched on fractionated Coconut oil a couple of times, so I thought I would post some information on the differences between that and regular Coconut oil. :) In this article it discusses "virgin Coconut oil". I don't remember if you had mentioned anything on that.

Please note that this article does not mention the absorption abilities, or how deep it goes into the skin, which has been discussed here as not being the best method as a main carrier oil for that purpose. It only mentions several times the "therapeutic" qualities.

This information came from:

The Difference Between Virgin Coconut Oil and Fractionated Coconut Oil - Aromatic Notes…

Copied here for convenience

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is a popular ingredient used in several types of aromatherapy products. However, there are different types of coconut oil which you can use – and you may want to understand the difference between a good quality coconut oil, and one of lesser quality. The difference will affect the therapeutic properties of your product – and the final outcome.

The Source of Coconut Oil

Coconut oil is extracted from the fruit of the palm tree. The large drupe, or fruit, has a hard endocarp. The endocarp and the seed are the two parts of the coconut which are of interest commercially. The seed contains the copra and the solid coconut oil; it is this oil which is used in the commercial product of coconut oil. How the coconut oil is extracted, is what differentiates virgin coconut oil from natural coconut oil, and the various processes it endures after extraction is what separate it from fractionated coconut oil.

Virgin coconut oil is considered to be superior to both natural and fractionated coconut oil for several reasons: It has a longer shelf life, has a more distinctive aroma than other types of coconut oil – and it has the most natural therapeutic properties, without the addition of chemicals or a change in its properties, due to the extraction method used, and chemical processes applied.

The Extraction of Coconut Oil

Coconut oil, at its source, is a highly saturated, white, solid fat. This fat has a melting point of 25 degrees centigrade. The fleshy part of the coconut is extracted either by cold pressing it, or through solvent extraction. Virgin coconut oil is extracted without the use of heat: The heat changes the chemical composition, and the therapeutic properties, of the resulting oil. Coconut oil that has been extracted with the use of heat is not virgin coconut oil, although it is still essentially sold as “natural” coconut oil. Coconut oil which is extracted through solvent extraction involves the use of chemicals and, again, is not virgin coconut oil but can be described as “natural.”

Fractionated Coconut Oil

Fractionated coconut oil is a fraction of the whole oil: Certain components of the oil are separated or removed from the oil for a particular use. Different uses of fractionated coconut oil include industrial, medical applications and beauty products. However, it is not the complete, virgin coconut oil.

Virgin Coconut Oil

Virgin coconut oil retains the plant’s original chemical composition – and consequently the plant’s therapeutic benefits. Coconut oil contains for the most part saturated fatty acids, with a small percentage of monounsaturated fatty acids and polyunsaturated fatty acids. It also contains glycerides. Natural coconut oil contains short and medium-chain length triglycerides whereas fractionated coconut oil may have certain medium-chain fatty acids removed or separated.

Uses of Coconut Oil

Virgin coconut oil contains vitamins, anti-oxidants and minerals which are beneficial to skin care and beauty products, aromatherapy blends, massage oils, soaps and hair care products. Fractionated coconut oil may not contain all of the same vitamins, anti-oxidants and minerals, in the same way that natural coconut oil (which has been solvent extracted or extracted with the use of heat) may not.

Virgin coconut oil is usually more expensive than other types of coconut oil – but it contains the true therapeutic properties of the plant which have not been tampered with.
 
And...I finally got my laptop back with the Body Scrub bar recipe. Remember this is just to be used as an exfoliate scrub, like people do with sugar and salt scrub bars. There is no infusion of cannabis, just the benefits of the hemp seeds (and almonds) as an exfoliate, and the unrefined hemp seed oil.

This is basically what I did, these might not be exact....I did tell you I winged it right? :laugh: I followed the first few ingredients from a recipe on the net, then winged it from there:

30g | 1.05oz shea butter
25g | 0.88oz Coconut oil
25g | 0.88oz unrefined hemp seed oil
20g | 0.7oz beeswax

1 oz. ground up hemp seeds
1/2 oz. ground up almonds
3 drops Lavender Essential oil
1/4 tsp. Tea tree oil
2 vitamin E capsule contents
1/4 tsp. Aloe vera oil

Now I'm looking forward to reading what I should change in that recipe to get those bars firmer so they don't melt away so fast.

:thanks:

Edit: I just remembered something I didn't log when I did that recipe. I had just a little bit of Cocoa Butter left, and I added that. I don't think it was more than 1/8th oz. or so.
 
Here is the body butter I use. It's my absolute favourite. No other products have worked better to soften up my dry skin. To make a body butter like this one has been a goal of mine for quite some time now. I have been researching a little bit myself, but the recipes I have found are probably not good enough. Really glad I found this study hall thread. I want to learn everything about this.

This body butter has a perfect consistency according to my preferences and I would love if we could copy this one in this study hall :) Only I want to use the stems, leaves and buds of the plant rather than making it from seed-oil. To have THC/CBD in it and use it as a painkiller would be perfect. Can a body butter be used as a topical as well or is it only lotions that can be used for this?

I see this product has shea-butter and cocoa-butter. What do you think about that?

Anyway. I understand we will talk about lotions now. I am still trying to understand the differences between butter/lotion/cream and so on. Will do some reading on my own to get a better understanding of what we will be doing in this class.

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Hi Deville,

I'm so pleased that you found us, too! I hope we can all learn so much together that we are all able to make the kind of butter or lotion that we each desire. Just so you know, the differences between creams and body butters is none. There are no differences between them. The only difference is the way the two words are used by corporate marketing offices. The difference between creams/butters and lotions has to do with the fact that a cream/butter is made of 100% oils or oils-based products, while a lotion is a mixture (called an emulsion) between oil-based and water-based ingredients. It is kind of like mayonnaise. Mayonnaise uses egg yolks to emulsify the water- and oil-based ingredients. Well, lotions use an emulsifier, too, though it isn't egg yolks! That would be gross, right? And there's nothing wrong with asking questions about butters right now. We're not exclusively about lotions at all. We look at both of these types of products in this study hall, and asking questions about either one is acceptable.

Hoping you have an amazing day!
 
I'm sure we won't be using all of that. Maybe the hemp seed oil, shea butter and cocoa butter, but I find the rest quite dubious...
Found the list of Ingredients

Aqua/Water/Eau (Solvent)
Butyrospermum Parkii Butter/Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea) Butter (Skin Conditioning Agent)
Theobroma Cacao Seed Butter/Theobroma Cacao (Cocoa) Seed Butter (Emollient)
Stearyl Alcohol (Emollient)
Betaine (Skin Conditioning Agent)
Cannabis Sativa Seed Oil (Emollient)
Glycerin (Humectant)
Glycine Soja Oil/Glycine Soja (Soybean) Oil (Emollient)
Glyceryl Stearate (Emulsifying Agent)
PEG-100 Stearate (Surfactant)
Bis-Diglyceryl Polyacyladipate-2 (Emollient)
Bertholletia Excelsa Seed Oil (Emollient)
Cera Alba/Beeswax/Cire d'abeille (Viscosity Controlling Agent)
Ethylhexyl Palmitate (Emollient)
C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate (Emollient)
Caprylyl Glycol (Humectant)
Dimethicone (Skin Conditioning Agent)
Phenoxyethanol (Preservative)
Olea Europaea Fruit Oil/Olea Europaea (Olive) Fruit Oil (Emollient)
Parfum/Fragrance (Fragrance Ingredient)
Xanthan Gum (Viscosity Controlling Agent)
Tocopherol (Antioxidant)
Disodium EDTA (Chelating Agent)
Sodium Hydroxide (pH Adjuster)
Citric Acid (pH Adjuster)
Caramel (Colorant)
CI 19140/Yellow 5 (Colorant)
CI 42090/Blue 1 (Colorant)

Quite a list of thing. Probably don't need all of these
 
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