Magnus8's Canna Cream, Body Butter & Canna Lotion Study Hall

[CCOiler]

Got it and blogged it Magnus.

CCO = Concentrated Cannabis Oil or some people may call it Cannabis Concentrated Oil.

I like Concentrated Cannabis Oil

 

[Magnus8]

I like Concentrated Cannabis Oil

Is it made using the same procedure as Rick Simpson Oil (RSO)? I've seen numerous videos on YouTube on how to make RSO and it looks easy enough. What do you use to extract the cannabinoids from the flowers? I would imagine something more "natural" than isopropyl alcohol. Maybe ethanol? And i remember hearing somewhere that it was mixed with something after reducing it to a thick oil. Am I correct about this? If so, what is used to thin it?

Thanks for any info you can give me on how to make it. I would sure appreciate it. And I'd love real words rather than a link to follow, if possible. I know it's more work, but I guess that's just the way I roll (on)!

Inquiring minds want to know...

 

[Canyon]

Grape seed oil and rosin update
I decided to infuse .6g of rosin with 10ml of grape seed oil. That would, in theory, be about a 4% mix of THC to oil.

Well, I could not get the rosin to dissolve into the grape oil, even with heating. I added about 30ml of ethyl and stirred until the alcohol boiled off on a warming burner. This left oil with some hard, dark bits and larger pieces in it that turned out to be very hard.


There was also a lot of seriously stuck oil on the sides and bottom of the beaker.

I lost about two grams filtering and transferring the oil.


The beaker is soaking in ever-clear. Tomorrow I will filter and boil off the alcohol. Depending on the amount, a Bio-Bomb is the best test I have thought of to find out how much THC was left behind.


The finished product (or what I have so far) is thin to the point that it dispenses rather liberally with the role on applicator I have.


My wife jumped on trying some on her knee that is scheduled for replacement next month. I rubbed some in and she stayed in a chair doing something for about an hour then got up and walked around. She claimed to have no pain for about three hours before it started returning.


I ask her if the THC oil or the CBD oil was better. She said that the THC was much better.


This small batch was decarbed for about an hour at 240 after the alcohol was boiled off to find out if someone with a very low tolerance to THC could notice any change in mood. She said that she did not notice any change.


It needs more work. The good news is, it works. I have several unknowns I am thinking over. The first is how much THC was left behind.


Another is, why was it so hard to incorporate the rosin?


There is a certified cannabis testing lab in Albuquerque that you can drop off cannabis and extracts a few days a week for testing.


If there is a need to get some concentration numbers, I could spring for a test. I will be there twice by the end of March.
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I took a few pictures. If there is anything helpful I will upload and post tomorrow.

I never know
canyon

 

[Radogast]

Is it made using the same procedure as Rick Simpson Oil (RSO)? I've seen numerous videos on YouTube on how to make RSO and it looks easy enough. What do you use to extract the cannabinoids from the flowers? I would imagine something more "natural" than isopropyl alcohol. Maybe ethanol? And i remember hearing somewhere that it was mixed with something after reducing it to a thick oil. Am I correct about this? If so, what is used to thin it?

Thanks for any info you can give me on how to make it. I would sure appreciate it. And I'd love real words rather than a link to follow, if possible. I know it's more work, but I guess that's just the way I roll (on)!

Inquiring minds want to know...

Concentrated Cannabis Oil (CCO) is a nearly pure essential oil of cannabis.

Alcohol that is safe to drink and 170+ proof (everclear, good moonshine) is much better than alcohol that has been poisoned (isopropyl alcohol)- just in case there is residual alcohol, kerosene or whatever other non-food product was used. Mixing the pure oil with something else, unless a carrier for a specific medical reason, is not such a great idea.


One quick method is known as QWISO - Quick Wash something or other.

Since Motoco put a great deal of effort into pictures and accurate descriptions. It's best to refer you to a (dreaded) link

How To Make Concentrated Cannabis Oil

 

[pufpufpas]

question? Are the roll on bottles tinted? Meaning do they block out light? I seem to remember reading about light breaking down the oils.

 

[Magnus8]

Concentrated Cannabis Oil (CCO) is a nearly pure essential oil of cannabis.

Alcohol that is safe to drink and 170+ proof (everclear, good moonshine) is much better than alcohol that has been poisoned (isopropyl alcohol)- just in case there is residual alcohol, kerosene or whatever other non-food product was used. Mixing the pure oil with something else, unless a carrier for a specific medical reason, is not such a great idea.


One quick method is known as QWISO - Quick Wash something or other.

Since Motoco put a great deal of effort into pictures and accurate descriptions. It's best to refer you to a (dreaded) link

How To Make Concentrated Cannabis Oil

Except that when you live with a (dreaded) disorder such as ADHD like I do, this link, which I've come across before, is almost impossible to understand.

Can someone please tell me whether or not the production method that is used to make this stuff is basically the same as what they use to make Rick Simpson Oil? From the pics it looks very similar, but I cannot read the language well enough to know. And yes, I know that seems strange for a writer, to not understand the language well enough to know its production method, but the language used in the posting is quite dense and poorly written, making it doubly difficult for me to decipher.

Thanks, Radogast, for trying to help. I just don't understand the posting. I understand the pics well enough, just not the language. A common enough problem for someone with ADHD.

 

[Radogast]

Except that when you live with a (dreaded) disorder such as ADHD like I do, this link, which I've come across before, is almost impossible to understand.

Can someone please tell me whether or not the production method that is used to make this stuff is basically the same as what they use to make Rick Simpson Oil? From the pics it looks very similar, but I cannot read the language well enough to know. And yes, I know that seems strange for a writer, to not understand the language well enough to know its production method, but the language used in the posting is quite dense and poorly written, making it doubly difficult for me to decipher.

Thanks, Radogast, for trying to help. I just don't understand the posting. I understand the pics well enough, just not the language. A common enough problem for someone with ADHD.

I believe Rick Simpson Oil, when done right, is the same thing.

To my way of thinking, calling Concentrated Cannabis Oil (CCO) by the name Rick Simpson Oil is a lot like calling Essential Oil of Lavendar by the name Martha Stewart Oil. Just because someone makes it (more) famous doesn't mean they should be able to put there name on it. It's not like Rick Simpson has a patent on the oil or a production method.

Rick Simpson's diet + CCO is a very good method for healing, but the methods can be, and have been, improved.

 

[jingo]

You know I went and looked at that link also and I didn't find it very clear myself. Even though I've been doing Everclear washes for some time now.

What confused me is he appeared to be using a carrier oil while he was doing this alcohol wash which just doesn't make any sense.

Rick Simpson Oil is the process of taking wet cannabis and washing it with naphtha.

You will always have residue of whatever solvent you use when making the oil so in my opinion if you can afford it the only thing you should make it with is alcohol safe for human consumption.

I reclaim my alcohol so that helps keep costs down.

When you follow the Rick Simpson method you get a lot of chlorophyll plant waxes lipids just about anything actually.

The alcohol wash methods start with bone dry cannabis that has been frozen for at least 24 hours and his wife with alcohol is been frozen for 24 hours. I wash for No More Than 3 minutes. I haven't found anything longer to do any better.

So I break up my bud and remove it from the stems and I put it in my dehydrator to bone dry it but I don't use any heat in my dehydrator. I don't want to lose any of the terpenes has the heat will help release those.

Once I have the material bone dry I put 15 grams in a pint canning jar. Then I put that jar in the freezer and however much alcohol I'm going to use overnight. The next day I take out that jar open it up for the alcohol and real fast shake it crazy hard for three minutes.

Then it goes into a screen filter and a bunch of coffee filters. At that point you have a very strong tincture. I reduce it down to an oil by using a modified water distiller.

In fact I'm actually running about half a pound of product this morning so I'll put up a few pictures.

I apologize for the pictures being out of order.

I pour my tincture into this pitcher and mark the level with the dry erase marker. Then I know when I'm getting most of my alcohol back.

 

[jingo]

If I want to infuse a carrier oil I just put however much tincture it will take for the quantity of oil I have into my still and reclaim the alcohol leaving the carrier oil infused behind. The still shuts off automatically when it's done so that works well if I have a carrier oil. If I don't have a carrier oil I can get a real ugly mess in the bottom to clean up.

 

[Magnus8]

I believe Rick Simpson Oil, when done right, is the same thing.

To my way of thinking, calling Concentrated Cannabis Oil (CCO) by the name Rick Simpson Oil is a lot like calling Essential Oil of Lavendar by the name Martha Stewart Oil. Just because someone makes it (more) famous doesn't mean they should be able to put there name on it. It's not like Rick Simpson has a patent on the oil or a production method.

Rick Simpson's diet + CCO is a very good method for healing, but the methods can be, and have been, improved.

Thanks so much, Radogast. I appreciate your reply. I'm certainly not here to debate this issue. As almost anyone here can tell you, I'm very new to this cannabis scene. I don't have my medical permission yet (coming at the end of this month) and I haven't used cannabis since I was a dejected 15 year old (and I'm almost 50 years old now). And back then, I used it for very different reasons than what I have now.

I only know what I've learned about these oils from YouTube, and that is very little. And there is virtually nothing about Concentrated Cannabis Oil (CCO) on YouTube, but tons about Rick Simpson Oi (RSO)l. So forgive me for being a dilettante, but that is all I am -- especially around CCO and RSO. And to be truthful, I don't really think it matters who made which oil famous. I think what I was trying to understand was simply how the oil is made. That's all I wanted to know. Whether it is called by one name or another is inconsequential; what matters is how the stuff is made.

Thanks again for your help. I truly appreciate it, and hope you have a great Saturday ahead of you.

 

[Magnus8]

If I want to infuse a carrier oil I just put however much tincture it will take for the quantity of oil I have into my still and reclaim the alcohol leaving the carrier oil infused behind. The still shuts off automatically when it's done so that works well if I have a carrier oil. If I don't have a carrier oil I can get a real ugly mess in the bottom to clean up.

Hi Jingo,

Thanks so much for the help this morning. I'm glad that I'm not the only one who finds that other thread confusing. It's not me, it's the language. I'm sure of it.

A question or two, if you don't mind?

Why would one use a carrier oil? To me, a carrier oil is used in lotions and creams to help "carry" another substance, usually an herbal infusion, past a barrier like the skin. How would a carrier oil fit into this oil?

Also, why is the right hand jar in your pics larger than the others, and why does the liquid in it seem so cloudy? I also noticed that the strainer you use here is different than with the other jars. Is this a strainer without a coffee filter that just strains out the green stuff? And if that is the case, are the other strainers with the coffee filters straining out this very same liquid, but in a more refined way? That's all I could guess. Would you mind confirming/denying? I would really appreciate it.

Great pics, btw. Really enjoyed your help. And thanks for agreeing with me that the other thread is confusing. I obviously thought so too.

 

[jingo]

That big jar has only the metal screen and I pour from it into the other jars. Sometimes I'll let a couple washes suit in the big jar before I go into the others.

All the other jars have a canning funnel and a coffee filter. I try to avoid evaporation as much as possible so all is covered.

Carrier oils are used to target different body systems. With some cancers coconut oil is indicated, with others maybe flax? I don't really follow the targeted approach, I simply maximize my canibinoid intake.

So I use allot of butter and coconut oil, but I could use olive oil and put it on salad, etc.

 

[Magnus8]

That big jar has only the metal screen and I pour from it into the other jars. Sometimes I'll let a couple washes suit in the big jar before I go into the others.

All the other jars have a canning funnel and a coffee filter. I try to avoid evaporation as much as possible so all is covered.

Carrier oils are used to target different body systems. With some cancers coconut oil is indicated, with others maybe flax? I don't really follow the targeted approach, I simply maximize my canibinoid intake.

So I use allot of butter and coconut oil, but I could use olive oil and put it on salad, etc.

Thanks, Jingo, for that concise explanation. Truly appreciate it!

 

[Lady Cannafan]

CCOiler: Hi brother dear. I had time to look at my recipe notes and I got the original recipe from a book I have called "The Cannabis Spa At Home", by Sandra Hinchcliffe.
I will email you what I did. And I will try to post it here this weekend as well, for the benefit of anyone else who wants to whip one up.

Magnus8: I'll follow whatever the crowd and yourself prefer to do on the lotion making time frame. Looking forward to seeing everyone's efforts and results.
I will also edit your blog post on the ingredients to include the distilled water.

I haven't really had a lot of time to go through this book on the Spa recipes, now that I have it out....and am enjoying a cuppa...I'm going to see what else it has to conjure up while I'm playing with ingredients today.

 

[Lady Cannafan]

question? Are the roll on bottles tinted? Meaning do they block out light? I seem to remember reading about light breaking down the oils.

You can get them tinted blue/green/brown online at wholesale places or cosmetic supply places. Just do a quick google search for roll on applicators. I'm sure something will come up. I used an old roll on antiperspirant bottle that was hard white plastic. I let the massage oil liquefy at room temperature before I added it to the container:

I would not do this for a permanent roll on applicator, I would probably choose a glass roll on if I could. Personal preference really. They make the bottles with the ball in the top that screws off or pops off the bottle to make them easy to fill. That would be a better choice because trying to pry that little ball out of the tops on the ones that don't unscrew can really be tough without nicking it up or tearing the edges.

Just for example Walmart online has them in a pack of 12 cobalt blue from a seller:

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Aromathe...5779&wl11=online&wl12=156220541&wl13=&veh=sem

 

[Lady Cannafan]

CCOiler:

Making a massage oil is as simple as making infused Olive oil for cooking. If you want an extremely simple and basic method, just make the infused olive oil and fill the roll on container with it. You will have your THC for pain, and the olive oil benefits for your skin.
I changed mine up a bit by adding a drop or two of Lavender essential oil, and a wee bit of Vitamin E oil from a capsule. I probably didn't need the Vitamin E oil, as olive oil contains that already.

The very basic method is a good base to start, because it contains nothing that can irritate sensitive skin.

Pardon my not posting that simplicity earlier, but remembering how I made what the day I was seriously playing around with all kinds of recipes is tough.

I have a freezer full of strained Cannabis buds from making extractions that will be used for poultices and other things in the future. So, don't throw away that strained cannabis.



Edit: And as always, if Magnus or anyone else wants to add their input, it is totally welcomed!

 

[Lady Cannafan]

Here's a knuckle saving tip on how to get your harder items into bits or shavings for melting instead of using a grater. I used a potato peeler. It super fast and works great!
This is a block of cocoa butter being shaved down today:

 

[Magnus8]

Here's a knuckle saving tip on how to get your harder items into bits or shavings for melting instead of using a grater. I used a potato peeler. It super fast and works great!
This is a block of cocoa butter being shaved down today:

That is exactly how my wife-bot (Ginette) and I do our beeswax! Since we purchase our beeswax from a local, organic vendor who makes honey, it is always in a block. The cheese grater takes care of that for us.

Thanks for this knuckle saving tip, Cannafan. It should help save a lot of knuckles. Mind you, don't get your knuckles too close to that cheese grater. Those little slicers are murder if you slip your hand, and who likes blood in their beeswax, anyway! Hahaha.

Hope everyone's having a GREAT Saturday, today. I went back to bed after getting up at 3:30 a.m. and working on my novel edits. Feel much better after sleeping some more. Ginette has just begun working on the table for my flood and drain setup; I can hear her pounding away with the hammer in the porch as I write. I've got to get back to my editing this morning, but procrastinating in this Study Hall is so much more fun. Well, actually not. I really am enjoying the work I am doing with my editor on the novel. But still...

 

[CCOiler]

CCOiler:

Making a massage oil is as simple as making infused Olive oil for cooking. If you want an extremely simple and basic method, just make the infused olive oil and fill the roll on container with it. You will have your THC for pain, and the olive oil benefits for your skin.
I changed mine up a bit by adding a drop or two of Lavender essential oil, and a wee bit of Vitamin E oil from a capsule. I probably didn't need the Vitamin E oil, as olive oil contains that already.

The very basic method is a good base to start, because it contains nothing that can irritate sensitive skin.

Pardon my not posting that simplicity earlier, but remembering how I made what the day I was seriously playing around with all kinds of recipes is tough.

I have a freezer full of strained Cannabis buds from making extractions that will be used for poultices and other things in the future. So, don't throw away that strained cannabis.



Edit: And as always, if Magnus or anyone else wants to add their input, it is totally welcomed!

BOOM.............that's exactly what I was looking for Sista, thank you. Now I can focus on lotions.

Here's a knuckle saving tip on how to get your harder items into bits or shavings for melting instead of using a grater. I used a potato peeler. It super fast and works great!
This is a block of cocoa butter being shaved down today:

This is why I follow you around, so I can catch your great ideas.

 

[CCOiler]

Is it made using the same procedure as Rick Simpson Oil (RSO)? I've seen numerous videos on YouTube on how to make RSO and it looks easy enough. What do you use to extract the cannabinoids from the flowers? I would imagine something more "natural" than isopropyl alcohol. Maybe ethanol? And i remember hearing somewhere that it was mixed with something after reducing it to a thick oil. Am I correct about this? If so, what is used to thin it?

Thanks for any info you can give me on how to make it. I would sure appreciate it. And I'd love real words rather than a link to follow, if possible. I know it's more work, but I guess that's just the way I roll (on)!

Inquiring minds want to know...

What they said Magnus, I am but a humble student here