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Welcome aboard @Smilemeds and thanks.
SWEET! Please tag me when you start your journal, I'm looking forward to seeing your first indoor growIm getting this entire set up.
LKABudMan Grows A Fruit Punch Auto With The Vivosun Smart Grow System! - Featuring Herbies Seeds, GeoFlora & Dynomyco
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Date - 9/21/22 - Day# 14
Strain - Herbies Seeds - Fruit Punch Auto Fem (Heavyweight Seeds)
Grow space - The 'Playpen' - a 32x32x60 tent outfitted with the VIVOSUN Smart Grow System
- AeroLight - The world’s first 100W LED grow light with an integrated circulatory fan
- AeroZesh - 6" Ultra powerful automated exhaust fully programmable through the GrowHub
- Growhub - Controls all tent equipment simultaneously
- All controlled through the VIVOSUN App
Nutrients - 1T Geoflora Veg + 1t Dynomyco
Medium - 4" pot with mix of FFHF+FFOF+Perlite
Other - Humidifier with distilled water set to 60% RH
Other - 8" Fan
Water - Carbon-filtered well water (100ppm)
In -Vegetative- Stage
- Light - 18" away
- 00:00-04:00 OFF
- 04:00-24:00 Spectrum:Vegetative, Intensity:75%
- Circulation Fan
- 00:00-4:00 Low Speed
- 04:00-24:00 Natural wind
- Exhaust Fan:
- 00:00-04:00 High 75F / 65% RH, default 1, Max 5
- 04:00-24:00 Cycle: 00:01 Speed#3, 00:59 off (Flush air in tent every hour)
I'm using the same soil I always use on Pebbles, a mix of FFHF&FFOF with added perlite. My experience has shown me that the soil is twice as heavy wet as it is dry. Usually, my 4" pot is about 150g dry, and 300g 100% wet. Well, today I got tired of waiting for Pebbles to drain her pot so I went ahead and gave her a full watering. And it's a good thing I did because apparently I filled this pot up more than usual (better mounding?). She's 350g full. That means she's probably 175g completely dry. No wonder she hasn't drained her pot to < 180g
Luckily I've been giving her water daily so she's still growing well. Hopefully I'll see a nice growth spurt after her first full watering. I re-did the Wet% calculation in my spreadsheet, updating it with the new wet/dry weight(=weight-175)/175). You can see it made a big difference.
Since she's pushing up her fourth node, I decided to move the Vivosun Smart Grow System from Seedling mode to Vegetative mode. I went through and reviewed/changed some settings.
AeroLight: This will go from the Seedling spectrum to the Vegetation spectrum, which is a fuller spectrum of light. The seedling spectrum has more blue light to increase rooting and decrease nodal spacing. The vegetative spectrum adds more red but doesn't reduce the blue. In Flowering mode it reduces the blue light spectrum.
I'm keeping it a 20/4 cycle (4am-midnight), but changed it to 75% intensity for now since she's still in the little pot on the table. When I up-pot, I'll change the intensity to 100% and adjust the light height accordingly.
Circulation: She's ready for some real airflow. The new settings give her light air at 'night' and natural air during the 'day'.
The Natural air mode will increase and decrease at random. Meant to mimic natural wind, it's almost like the air you'd get from an oscillating fan, but the fan never moves.
AeroZesh: I changed the exhaust settings to mimic the seedling settings for now. I like where the VPD is and I'm not ready for that to change yet. Again, once I up-pot I'll update these settings.
After changing and confirming all of the settings, I just had to start the vegetative stage.
You can now see on the dashboard that it's running VEG stage
She still has some funny growth but it's coming out at a steady pace. I'm planning on topping her as soon as I see the 5th node. Then when she recovers from that I'll uppot. I'm preparing the pot now and I have a little surprise for her
@VIVOSUN #VIVOSUN #LoveWhatYouGrow
Strain - Herbies Seeds - Fruit Punch Auto Fem (Heavyweight Seeds)
Grow space - The 'Playpen' - a 32x32x60 tent outfitted with the VIVOSUN Smart Grow System
- AeroLight - The world’s first 100W LED grow light with an integrated circulatory fan
- AeroZesh - 6" Ultra powerful automated exhaust fully programmable through the GrowHub
- Growhub - Controls all tent equipment simultaneously
- All controlled through the VIVOSUN App
Nutrients - 1T Geoflora Veg + 1t Dynomyco
Medium - 4" pot with mix of FFHF+FFOF+Perlite
Other - Humidifier with distilled water set to 60% RH
Other - 8" Fan
Water - Carbon-filtered well water (100ppm)
In -Vegetative- Stage
- Light - 18" away
- 00:00-04:00 OFF
- 04:00-24:00 Spectrum:Vegetative, Intensity:75%
- Circulation Fan
- 00:00-4:00 Low Speed
- 04:00-24:00 Natural wind
- Exhaust Fan:
- 00:00-04:00 High 75F / 65% RH, default 1, Max 5
- 04:00-24:00 Cycle: 00:01 Speed#3, 00:59 off (Flush air in tent every hour)
I'm using the same soil I always use on Pebbles, a mix of FFHF&FFOF with added perlite. My experience has shown me that the soil is twice as heavy wet as it is dry. Usually, my 4" pot is about 150g dry, and 300g 100% wet. Well, today I got tired of waiting for Pebbles to drain her pot so I went ahead and gave her a full watering. And it's a good thing I did because apparently I filled this pot up more than usual (better mounding?). She's 350g full. That means she's probably 175g completely dry. No wonder she hasn't drained her pot to < 180g
Luckily I've been giving her water daily so she's still growing well. Hopefully I'll see a nice growth spurt after her first full watering. I re-did the Wet% calculation in my spreadsheet, updating it with the new wet/dry weight(=weight-175)/175). You can see it made a big difference.
Since she's pushing up her fourth node, I decided to move the Vivosun Smart Grow System from Seedling mode to Vegetative mode. I went through and reviewed/changed some settings.
AeroLight: This will go from the Seedling spectrum to the Vegetation spectrum, which is a fuller spectrum of light. The seedling spectrum has more blue light to increase rooting and decrease nodal spacing. The vegetative spectrum adds more red but doesn't reduce the blue. In Flowering mode it reduces the blue light spectrum.
I'm keeping it a 20/4 cycle (4am-midnight), but changed it to 75% intensity for now since she's still in the little pot on the table. When I up-pot, I'll change the intensity to 100% and adjust the light height accordingly.
Circulation: She's ready for some real airflow. The new settings give her light air at 'night' and natural air during the 'day'.
The Natural air mode will increase and decrease at random. Meant to mimic natural wind, it's almost like the air you'd get from an oscillating fan, but the fan never moves.
AeroZesh: I changed the exhaust settings to mimic the seedling settings for now. I like where the VPD is and I'm not ready for that to change yet. Again, once I up-pot I'll update these settings.
After changing and confirming all of the settings, I just had to start the vegetative stage.
You can now see on the dashboard that it's running VEG stage
She still has some funny growth but it's coming out at a steady pace. I'm planning on topping her as soon as I see the 5th node. Then when she recovers from that I'll uppot. I'm preparing the pot now and I have a little surprise for her
@VIVOSUN #VIVOSUN #LoveWhatYouGrow
Great to follow along with this. Good job mateDate - 9/21/22 - Day# 14
Strain - Herbies Seeds - Fruit Punch Auto Fem (Heavyweight Seeds)
Grow space - The 'Playpen' - a 32x32x60 tent outfitted with the VIVOSUN Smart Grow System
- AeroLight - The world’s first 100W LED grow light with an integrated circulatory fan
- AeroZesh - 6" Ultra powerful automated exhaust fully programmable through the GrowHub
- Growhub - Controls all tent equipment simultaneously
- All controlled through the VIVOSUN App
Nutrients - 1T Geoflora Veg + 1t Dynomyco
Medium - 4" pot with mix of FFHF+FFOF+Perlite
Other - Humidifier with distilled water set to 60% RH
Other - 8" Fan
Water - Carbon-filtered well water (100ppm)
In -Vegetative- Stage
- Light - 18" away
- 00:00-04:00 OFF
- 04:00-24:00 Spectrum:Vegetative, Intensity:75%
- Circulation Fan
- 00:00-4:00 Low Speed
- 04:00-24:00 Natural wind
- Exhaust Fan:
- 00:00-04:00 High 75F / 65% RH, default 1, Max 5
- 04:00-24:00 Cycle: 00:01 Speed#3, 00:59 off (Flush air in tent every hour)
I'm using the same soil I always use on Pebbles, a mix of FFHF&FFOF with added perlite. My experience has shown me that the soil is twice as heavy wet as it is dry. Usually, my 4" pot is about 150g dry, and 300g 100% wet. Well, today I got tired of waiting for Pebbles to drain her pot so I went ahead and gave her a full watering. And it's a good thing I did because apparently I filled this pot up more than usual (better mounding?). She's 350g full. That means she's probably 175g completely dry. No wonder she hasn't drained her pot to < 180g
Luckily I've been giving her water daily so she's still growing well. Hopefully I'll see a nice growth spurt after her first full watering. I re-did the Wet% calculation in my spreadsheet, updating it with the new wet/dry weight(=weight-175)/175). You can see it made a big difference.
Since she's pushing up her fourth node, I decided to move the Vivosun Smart Grow System from Seedling mode to Vegetative mode. I went through and reviewed/changed some settings.
AeroLight: This will go from the Seedling spectrum to the Vegetation spectrum, which is a fuller spectrum of light. The seedling spectrum has more blue light to increase rooting and decrease nodal spacing. The vegetative spectrum adds more red but doesn't reduce the blue. In Flowering mode it reduces the blue light spectrum.
I'm keeping it a 20/4 cycle (4am-midnight), but changed it to 75% intensity for now since she's still in the little pot on the table. When I up-pot, I'll change the intensity to 100% and adjust the light height accordingly.
Circulation: She's ready for some real airflow. The new settings give her light air at 'night' and natural air during the 'day'.
The Natural air mode will increase and decrease at random. Meant to mimic natural wind, it's almost like the air you'd get from an oscillating fan, but the fan never moves.
AeroZesh: I changed the exhaust settings to mimic the seedling settings for now. I like where the VPD is and I'm not ready for that to change yet. Again, once I up-pot I'll update these settings.
After changing and confirming all of the settings, I just had to start the vegetative stage.
You can now see on the dashboard that it's running VEG stage
She still has some funny growth but it's coming out at a steady pace. I'm planning on topping her as soon as I see the 5th node. Then when she recovers from that I'll uppot. I'm preparing the pot now and I have a little surprise for her
@VIVOSUN #VIVOSUN #LoveWhatYouGrow
That system is the coolest! I'm very impressed with the flexibility!
AutoNautPsychoFlower
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Lol, you're going to get annoyed with how much I ask for your opinion on stuff when I get this going ;DWelcome aboard @Smilemeds and thanks.
SWEET! Please tag me when you start your journal, I'm looking forward to seeing your first indoor grow
But yeah, I was going to tag you anyway and damn the consequences
Timhomegrow
Well-Known Member
I really dig your high tech grows!!! Takes out all the guess work and when you nail it.....you can repeat it. Awesome 
Danishoes21
Well-Known Member
Looking solid LKA, I really enjoy all the settings for the grow. Everything is right there a the tip of the finger.
That’s a amazing setup bro and you’re really rocking it. I’m really interested in what you do with it. Great jobDate - 9/21/22 - Day# 14
Strain - Herbies Seeds - Fruit Punch Auto Fem (Heavyweight Seeds)
Grow space - The 'Playpen' - a 32x32x60 tent outfitted with the VIVOSUN Smart Grow System
- AeroLight - The world’s first 100W LED grow light with an integrated circulatory fan
- AeroZesh - 6" Ultra powerful automated exhaust fully programmable through the GrowHub
- Growhub - Controls all tent equipment simultaneously
- All controlled through the VIVOSUN App
Nutrients - 1T Geoflora Veg + 1t Dynomyco
Medium - 4" pot with mix of FFHF+FFOF+Perlite
Other - Humidifier with distilled water set to 60% RH
Other - 8" Fan
Water - Carbon-filtered well water (100ppm)
In -Vegetative- Stage
- Light - 18" away
- 00:00-04:00 OFF
- 04:00-24:00 Spectrum:Vegetative, Intensity:75%
- Circulation Fan
- 00:00-4:00 Low Speed
- 04:00-24:00 Natural wind
- Exhaust Fan:
- 00:00-04:00 High 75F / 65% RH, default 1, Max 5
- 04:00-24:00 Cycle: 00:01 Speed#3, 00:59 off (Flush air in tent every hour)
I'm using the same soil I always use on Pebbles, a mix of FFHF&FFOF with added perlite. My experience has shown me that the soil is twice as heavy wet as it is dry. Usually, my 4" pot is about 150g dry, and 300g 100% wet. Well, today I got tired of waiting for Pebbles to drain her pot so I went ahead and gave her a full watering. And it's a good thing I did because apparently I filled this pot up more than usual (better mounding?). She's 350g full. That means she's probably 175g completely dry. No wonder she hasn't drained her pot to < 180g
Luckily I've been giving her water daily so she's still growing well. Hopefully I'll see a nice growth spurt after her first full watering. I re-did the Wet% calculation in my spreadsheet, updating it with the new wet/dry weight(=weight-175)/175). You can see it made a big difference.
Since she's pushing up her fourth node, I decided to move the Vivosun Smart Grow System from Seedling mode to Vegetative mode. I went through and reviewed/changed some settings.
AeroLight: This will go from the Seedling spectrum to the Vegetation spectrum, which is a fuller spectrum of light. The seedling spectrum has more blue light to increase rooting and decrease nodal spacing. The vegetative spectrum adds more red but doesn't reduce the blue. In Flowering mode it reduces the blue light spectrum.
I'm keeping it a 20/4 cycle (4am-midnight), but changed it to 75% intensity for now since she's still in the little pot on the table. When I up-pot, I'll change the intensity to 100% and adjust the light height accordingly.
Circulation: She's ready for some real airflow. The new settings give her light air at 'night' and natural air during the 'day'.
The Natural air mode will increase and decrease at random. Meant to mimic natural wind, it's almost like the air you'd get from an oscillating fan, but the fan never moves.
AeroZesh: I changed the exhaust settings to mimic the seedling settings for now. I like where the VPD is and I'm not ready for that to change yet. Again, once I up-pot I'll update these settings.
After changing and confirming all of the settings, I just had to start the vegetative stage.
You can now see on the dashboard that it's running VEG stage
She still has some funny growth but it's coming out at a steady pace. I'm planning on topping her as soon as I see the 5th node. Then when she recovers from that I'll uppot. I'm preparing the pot now and I have a little surprise for her
@VIVOSUN #VIVOSUN #LoveWhatYouGrow
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Thanks GF, Glad to have you along on my first auto grow.
You can tell a log of thought went into designing the system SO. Not just the flexibility, but the way they have all components for each stage working together. And if this is version 1, I can't wait to see how it matures.
I love what you've done with the autos outside ANPF, It'll be fun to see what you can do inside.Lol, you're going to get annoyed with how much I ask for your opinion on stuff when I get this going ;D
But yeah, I was going to tag you anyway and damn the consequences
Thanks Tim, that's the idea.I really dig your high tech grows!!! Takes out all the guess work and when you nail it.....you can repeat it. Awesome
Thanks Dani, It is nice to have everything together in one app. Even better, once it's set up you just let it go.Looking solid LKA, I really enjoy all the settings for the grow. Everything is right there a the tip of the finger.
Thanks Captain. Oh, I'm interested to see what I can do with it tooThat’s a amazing setup bro and you’re really rocking it. I’m really interested in what you do with it. Great job
I love playing around with the system, but I'm looking to grow some weed too!
Yeah, my electric bill is about to double! This system couldn't come at a better time!
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- #131
Date - 9/22/22 - Day# 15
Strain - Herbies Seeds - Fruit Punch Auto Fem (Heavyweight Seeds)
Grow space - The 'Playpen' - a 32x32x60 tent outfitted with the VIVOSUN Smart Grow System
- AeroLight - The world’s first 100W LED grow light with an integrated circulatory fan
- AeroZesh - 6" Ultra powerful automated exhaust fully programmable through the GrowHub
- Growhub - Controls all tent equipment simultaneously
All controlled through the VIVOSUN App
In -Vegetative- Mode
- Light - 18" away
- 00:00-04:00 OFF
- 04:00-24:00 Spectrum:Vegetative, Intensity:75%
- Circulation Fan
- 00:00-4:00 Low Speed
- 04:00-24:00 Natural wind
- Exhaust Fan:
- 00:00-04:00 High 75F / 65% RH, default 1, Max 5
- 04:00-24:00 Cycle: 00:01 Speed#3, 00:59 off (Flush air in tent every hour)
Nutrients - 1T Geoflora Veg + 1t Dynomyco
Medium - 4" pot with mix of FFHF+FFOF+Perlite
Other - Humidifier with distilled water set to 60% RH
Other - 8" Fan
Water - Carbon-filtered well water (100ppm)
Temperatures
Moving the @VIVOSUN AeroLight from Seedling mode @ 50% to Vegetative mode @ 75% added 3-4f degrees to the tent. I've checked the leaf surface temperatures and right now they're 3-4f below the tent temperature. With the tent reading 80f, the leaf temps were 76-77f. So that means my VPD chart looks like this:
According to this, if my room temperature is 80f then my RH should be 70-75% for early veg. But just like there's a room temp and a leaf temp, there's also a room RH and a leaf RH. I know that if I measure RH an inch above the soil it'll read higher than 12" below the light. In DWC I've read humidity 20% higher in the plant than in the room. Knowing that I care about LEAF VPD and not room VPD, I'm going to assume that in soil leaf RH is 5-10% higher than the room I'm measuring (probably more so with thick vegetation).
Also, if anything I'd rather be a little high in VPD than a too low. If the VPD gets too low then the plant will get more of it's moisture through the leaves instead of the roots. That means it can't uptake nutrients as well. This is fine when you want it to concentrate on rooting, but if you want veg growth you need it feeding through the roots.
So, I'm shooting for 60-65% room RH during the day. Knowing that, I just bumped the humidifier in the tent from 60% back up to 65%. No need to change the Vivosun App, it's still set correctly. It'll cycle the air in the tent every hour. That keeps most of the heat and moisture in the tent, which makes for fantastic growing conditions.
Pebbles is really moving now! She went through 100ml of water last night, from 350g to 250g in one day. She also had a little growth spurt. I gave her 30ml around the edge this morning just to make sure she has plenty to last another day. I expect she'll need a full watering by tomorrow morning.
Pebbles pushed out her third node yesterday and she's working on her fourth today. Growth is speeding up as her roots get established. She still has some funky looking leaves, but the new growth is looking better and better. And I love the growth on her lower nodes. Meanwhile I'm watching for that fifth node with the scissors ready...
#VIVOSUN #SmartGrowSystem #LoveWhatYouGrow
Strain - Herbies Seeds - Fruit Punch Auto Fem (Heavyweight Seeds)
Grow space - The 'Playpen' - a 32x32x60 tent outfitted with the VIVOSUN Smart Grow System
- AeroLight - The world’s first 100W LED grow light with an integrated circulatory fan
- AeroZesh - 6" Ultra powerful automated exhaust fully programmable through the GrowHub
- Growhub - Controls all tent equipment simultaneously
All controlled through the VIVOSUN App
In -Vegetative- Mode
- Light - 18" away
- 00:00-04:00 OFF
- 04:00-24:00 Spectrum:Vegetative, Intensity:75%
- Circulation Fan
- 00:00-4:00 Low Speed
- 04:00-24:00 Natural wind
- Exhaust Fan:
- 00:00-04:00 High 75F / 65% RH, default 1, Max 5
- 04:00-24:00 Cycle: 00:01 Speed#3, 00:59 off (Flush air in tent every hour)
Nutrients - 1T Geoflora Veg + 1t Dynomyco
Medium - 4" pot with mix of FFHF+FFOF+Perlite
Other - Humidifier with distilled water set to 60% RH
Other - 8" Fan
Water - Carbon-filtered well water (100ppm)
Temperatures
Moving the @VIVOSUN AeroLight from Seedling mode @ 50% to Vegetative mode @ 75% added 3-4f degrees to the tent. I've checked the leaf surface temperatures and right now they're 3-4f below the tent temperature. With the tent reading 80f, the leaf temps were 76-77f. So that means my VPD chart looks like this:
According to this, if my room temperature is 80f then my RH should be 70-75% for early veg. But just like there's a room temp and a leaf temp, there's also a room RH and a leaf RH. I know that if I measure RH an inch above the soil it'll read higher than 12" below the light. In DWC I've read humidity 20% higher in the plant than in the room. Knowing that I care about LEAF VPD and not room VPD, I'm going to assume that in soil leaf RH is 5-10% higher than the room I'm measuring (probably more so with thick vegetation).
Also, if anything I'd rather be a little high in VPD than a too low. If the VPD gets too low then the plant will get more of it's moisture through the leaves instead of the roots. That means it can't uptake nutrients as well. This is fine when you want it to concentrate on rooting, but if you want veg growth you need it feeding through the roots.
So, I'm shooting for 60-65% room RH during the day. Knowing that, I just bumped the humidifier in the tent from 60% back up to 65%. No need to change the Vivosun App, it's still set correctly. It'll cycle the air in the tent every hour. That keeps most of the heat and moisture in the tent, which makes for fantastic growing conditions.
Pebbles is really moving now! She went through 100ml of water last night, from 350g to 250g in one day. She also had a little growth spurt. I gave her 30ml around the edge this morning just to make sure she has plenty to last another day. I expect she'll need a full watering by tomorrow morning.
Pebbles pushed out her third node yesterday and she's working on her fourth today. Growth is speeding up as her roots get established. She still has some funky looking leaves, but the new growth is looking better and better. And I love the growth on her lower nodes. Meanwhile I'm watching for that fifth node with the scissors ready...
#VIVOSUN #SmartGrowSystem #LoveWhatYouGrow
AutoNautPsychoFlower
Well-Known Member
Aww thank ya kindly!! Its been fun to go so low budget and put myself so deeply at natures disposal. Gotta update tomorrow.
Sooooo I was thinking that when Im set up and going should be near your late stages here maybe even post harvest. We could be a couple of the first public grow journalers to share a recipe if you felt like it? If so Im also thinking itd be a baseline and Id deviate from as needed. Make notes of all deviations etc. Like start building and filling up the recipe card holder.
I wont be able to with this first indoor grow but Im definitely going todaisy chain a second aerolight and the 6 inch fan into a 2x4 or 3x4 in not too distance future.
From the replies on this thread Im thinking @VIVOSUN is going to be selling a few more of these fairly soon... more recipes!
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- #133
Date - 9/23/22 - Day# 16
Strain - Herbies Seeds - Fruit Punch Auto Fem (Heavyweight Seeds)
Grow space - The 'Playpen' - a 32x32x60 tent outfitted with the VIVOSUN Smart Grow System
- AeroLight - The world’s first 100W LED grow light with an integrated circulatory fan
- AeroZesh - 6" Ultra powerful automated exhaust fully programmable through the GrowHub
- Growhub - Controls all tent equipment simultaneously
All controlled through the VIVOSUN App
In -Vegetative- Mode
- Light - 18" away
- 00:00-04:00 OFF
- 04:00-24:00 Spectrum:Vegetative, Intensity:75%
- Circulation Fan
- 00:00-4:00 Low Speed
- 04:00-24:00 Natural wind
- Exhaust Fan:
- 00:00-04:00 High 75F / 65% RH, default 1, Max 5
- 04:00-24:00 Cycle: 00:01 Speed#3, 00:59 off (Flush air in tent every hour)
Nutrients - 1T Geoflora Veg + 1t Dynomyco
Medium - 4" pot with mix of FFHF+FFOF+Perlite
Other - Humidifier with distilled water set to 60% RH
Other - 8" Fan
Water - Carbon-filtered well water (100ppm)
I followed @Buds Buddy quest to find a way to grow monster plants and his success with the SIP bucket. I've also been reading the discussion that @Emilya Green @Azimuth @ReservoirDog and others have having about SIP and... I'm ready to give it a go! I bought a kit and have plenty of buckets, so Pebbles will be going into an SIP bucket as her final home.
First, I drilled a hole in the bucket 3.5" from the bottom. I made the bottom of the hole at the 3.5" mark because I want to hold as much water as possible.
Then I put the insert in the bucket with the empty spot lined up with the hole I drilled. Stick in the dip tube & dipstick and put on the cap and it's all ready for soil.
The bottom was filled with new Sohum soil... until I ran out. I made sure to pack the very bottom around the insert as the directions stated to make sure it wicks up water properly. The rest was filled with Sohum re-used from my son's recent auto in a 3g pot. We broke up the root ball, took out most of the roots, and amended the soil with 1/3 cup Geoflora veg. I used a spare 4" pot as a placeholder for Pebbles, and filled in around it. I left a little bit of room to mound up the center.
Then I watered it thoroughly. I took my time and used over a gallon of water, giving the soil a good soak. I wanted to make sure the soil was packed in with no pockets. I'd also rather saturate the soil now then when I put Pebbles in. I'll let it sit and dry some until Pebbles is ready for her new home. When Pebbles is ready, I'll pull out the placeholder and put her in. I'll water the old root-ball well to make sure it's incorporated in the new soil. Then I'll fill the bucket res and let it take care of the rest.
I don't think it'll be long before Pebbles is in her SIP bucket. She was dry after only 2 days all of the sudden and she's draining her little 4" pot quickly. She may be on a one-day cycle by tomorrow.
She's pushing out a beautiful 7-fingered fourth node now and you can already see the 5th node peeking up a little this morning. I'll be snipping that off tonight or tomorrow. Then as soon as she's recovered from that I'll transfer to her new home. The @VIVOSUN Smart Grow System will take care of the rest
#VIVOSUN #SmartGrowSystem #LoveWhatYouGrow
Strain - Herbies Seeds - Fruit Punch Auto Fem (Heavyweight Seeds)
Grow space - The 'Playpen' - a 32x32x60 tent outfitted with the VIVOSUN Smart Grow System
- AeroLight - The world’s first 100W LED grow light with an integrated circulatory fan
- AeroZesh - 6" Ultra powerful automated exhaust fully programmable through the GrowHub
- Growhub - Controls all tent equipment simultaneously
All controlled through the VIVOSUN App
In -Vegetative- Mode
- Light - 18" away
- 00:00-04:00 OFF
- 04:00-24:00 Spectrum:Vegetative, Intensity:75%
- Circulation Fan
- 00:00-4:00 Low Speed
- 04:00-24:00 Natural wind
- Exhaust Fan:
- 00:00-04:00 High 75F / 65% RH, default 1, Max 5
- 04:00-24:00 Cycle: 00:01 Speed#3, 00:59 off (Flush air in tent every hour)
Nutrients - 1T Geoflora Veg + 1t Dynomyco
Medium - 4" pot with mix of FFHF+FFOF+Perlite
Other - Humidifier with distilled water set to 60% RH
Other - 8" Fan
Water - Carbon-filtered well water (100ppm)
I followed @Buds Buddy quest to find a way to grow monster plants and his success with the SIP bucket. I've also been reading the discussion that @Emilya Green @Azimuth @ReservoirDog and others have having about SIP and... I'm ready to give it a go! I bought a kit and have plenty of buckets, so Pebbles will be going into an SIP bucket as her final home.
First, I drilled a hole in the bucket 3.5" from the bottom. I made the bottom of the hole at the 3.5" mark because I want to hold as much water as possible.
Then I put the insert in the bucket with the empty spot lined up with the hole I drilled. Stick in the dip tube & dipstick and put on the cap and it's all ready for soil.
The bottom was filled with new Sohum soil... until I ran out. I made sure to pack the very bottom around the insert as the directions stated to make sure it wicks up water properly. The rest was filled with Sohum re-used from my son's recent auto in a 3g pot. We broke up the root ball, took out most of the roots, and amended the soil with 1/3 cup Geoflora veg. I used a spare 4" pot as a placeholder for Pebbles, and filled in around it. I left a little bit of room to mound up the center.
Then I watered it thoroughly. I took my time and used over a gallon of water, giving the soil a good soak. I wanted to make sure the soil was packed in with no pockets. I'd also rather saturate the soil now then when I put Pebbles in. I'll let it sit and dry some until Pebbles is ready for her new home. When Pebbles is ready, I'll pull out the placeholder and put her in. I'll water the old root-ball well to make sure it's incorporated in the new soil. Then I'll fill the bucket res and let it take care of the rest.
I don't think it'll be long before Pebbles is in her SIP bucket. She was dry after only 2 days all of the sudden and she's draining her little 4" pot quickly. She may be on a one-day cycle by tomorrow.
She's pushing out a beautiful 7-fingered fourth node now and you can already see the 5th node peeking up a little this morning. I'll be snipping that off tonight or tomorrow. Then as soon as she's recovered from that I'll transfer to her new home. The @VIVOSUN Smart Grow System will take care of the rest
#VIVOSUN #SmartGrowSystem #LoveWhatYouGrow
Looking Good ! Yeah, I'd up-pot that girl to a bucket real soon. Don't water the top too much. You don't want the roots growing sideways as much as you do in fabric pots. You want the roots to chase the water in the moist soil below. I am only feeding 32 oz. through the top about once a month.... if the top 2" of soil gets dry. You'll be surprised at how fast they grow. You Topping & LST-ing ? I use to top a lot in several places in fabric pots. Too slow of a recovery when I did that. Once I started only topping once, things seemed to speed up quite a bit. Only reason I'm mentioning it is I'm thinking of Topping the main stem & then the 4 branches that grow out. I'm wondering since the SIP's grow so fast if it will also speed up that recovery time.Date - 9/23/22 - Day# 16
Strain - Herbies Seeds - Fruit Punch Auto Fem (Heavyweight Seeds)
Grow space - The 'Playpen' - a 32x32x60 tent outfitted with the VIVOSUN Smart Grow System
- AeroLight - The world’s first 100W LED grow light with an integrated circulatory fan
- AeroZesh - 6" Ultra powerful automated exhaust fully programmable through the GrowHub
- Growhub - Controls all tent equipment simultaneously
All controlled through the VIVOSUN App
In -Vegetative- Mode
- Light - 18" away
- 00:00-04:00 OFF
- 04:00-24:00 Spectrum:Vegetative, Intensity:75%
- Circulation Fan
- 00:00-4:00 Low Speed
- 04:00-24:00 Natural wind
- Exhaust Fan:
- 00:00-04:00 High 75F / 65% RH, default 1, Max 5
- 04:00-24:00 Cycle: 00:01 Speed#3, 00:59 off (Flush air in tent every hour)
Nutrients - 1T Geoflora Veg + 1t Dynomyco
Medium - 4" pot with mix of FFHF+FFOF+Perlite
Other - Humidifier with distilled water set to 60% RH
Other - 8" Fan
Water - Carbon-filtered well water (100ppm)
I followed @Buds Buddy quest to find a way to grow monster plants and his success with the SIP bucket. I've also been reading the discussion that @Emilya Green @Azimuth @ReservoirDog and others have having about SIP and... I'm ready to give it a go! I bought a kit and have plenty of buckets, so Pebbles will be going into an SIP bucket as her final home.
First, I drilled a hole in the bucket 3.5" from the bottom. I made the bottom of the hole at the 3.5" mark because I want to hold as much water as possible.
Then I put the insert in the bucket with the empty spot lined up with the hole I drilled. Stick in the dip tube & dipstick and put on the cap and it's all ready for soil.
The bottom was filled with new Sohum soil... until I ran out. I made sure to pack the very bottom around the insert as the directions stated to make sure it wicks up water properly. The rest was filled with Sohum re-used from my son's recent auto in a 3g pot. We broke up the root ball, took out most of the roots, and amended the soil with 1/3 cup Geoflora veg. I used a spare 4" pot as a placeholder for Pebbles, and filled in around it. I left a little bit of room to mound up the center.
Then I watered it thoroughly. I took my time and used over a gallon of water, giving the soil a good soak. I wanted to make sure the soil was packed in with no pockets. I'd also rather saturate the soil now then when I put Pebbles in. I'll let it sit and dry some until Pebbles is ready for her new home. When Pebbles is ready, I'll pull out the placeholder and put her in. I'll water the old root-ball well to make sure it's incorporated in the new soil. Then I'll fill the bucket res and let it take care of the rest.
I don't think it'll be long before Pebbles is in her SIP bucket. She was dry after only 2 days all of the sudden and she's draining her little 4" pot quickly. She may be on a one-day cycle by tomorrow.
She's pushing out a beautiful 7-fingered fourth node now and you can already see the 5th node peeking up a little this morning. I'll be snipping that off tonight or tomorrow. Then as soon as she's recovered from that I'll transfer to her new home. The @VIVOSUN Smart Grow System will take care of the rest
#VIVOSUN #SmartGrowSystem #LoveWhatYouGrow
Costanza
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I topped twice on my current grow and it wasnt too bad the Sip pots really speed things up. What I did was top once and then top all side branches and then wait a week and topped the mains once more
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Thanks Buds. I think she's going into the SIP bucket this weekend. She's my first auto, so I only plan on topping once at the 5th node. I'll LST from there to try to keep everything at the same level. I'm excited to see how quickly she grows in the SIP.
Thanks for the tag. I'd like to follow along.
ReservoirDog
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Thanks for the tag LK, but I was already here, just being uncharacteristically quiet. Gonna change that right now.
I've always followed your grows/posts, I really like how you think, the family interaction, and your dedication to doing things as well as you possibly can while being open to always learning. Hell, you should run for office! Seriously though, respect.
Man, I have to say I did not expect all the SIP excitement, even after a couple of seasons of growing mountains of veg. And now growing weed in them, I mean, I've dug deep into the pure research on the SIPs but also the forums, all the forums, both weed and gardening generally, and they all have a small SIP cadre, and they all grow monsters.
I guess I thought it's been around so long, people are at where they're gonna be at. I figured maybe they're afraid of root damage or maybe tried SWICKing and didn't like it and have a mental blockage there.
Anyway, it’s so cool to share interests with fair-minded and curious growers. Truly a privilege. I used to go climbing and hiking anytime the opportunity arose, whether I could drag someone along or not, but, I always had at least twice as much fun with friends.
LK you could have transplanted that little guy three weeks ago and have been a week ahead of where you are now.
Check out the porous nursery bags that are available, they have huge advantages, esp. for SIP seedlings. You can bottom-water them more easily, for one thing, and get the hydrotropism developments all the way from seed. IMO they also transplant better, no wrapped roots, and because of air pruning you get the dendritic root formation just like with larger soft pots. they only cost about 20 cents a piece and store a lot more easily than solo cups et al.
I'm gonna show you a hilarious example... and then ‘try to explain myself.’
Okay, these Sativas from @danishoes21
appear only to respond to conditions similar to the SE Asian cholera-swamps
where one of ‘em is from. First, seeds wouldn’t pop until I set the seed mat at 85 and potted them in what can only be described as dirty water.
Now, at this size, about 2 weeks ago, they appeared to stop picking up nitrogen and stalll out.
So, even though they were already sitting on SIP feet filled with perlite and gravel that was wicking up great… in an aquarium, it just wasn’t fetid enough for these little jungle hardcores, oh no…
it took heating the rez water to 85 and cranking the rh to 100%, to coax out a little “praying” from these three. They have kept praying since these elements were corrected. Madness.
Look, If these plants continue to reject colonization by my civilized, paternal hand, well, then only providence itself can save these savages.
I run MC 2 part, plus Mag Sulphate, fertigation in my rez with a Promix/Sunshine#4 matrix.(60peat40perlite, lime), but I do use endomychorihzae heavily (I culture the store-bought so I am always planting live hyphae into my SIPs and not spores)
microbes, same thing, I buy NPK's Veg and Bloom microbes - excellent product - but I culture them so that I'm adding a living product, not spores which still need to activate
.
So, even though I'm technically growing 'Hydroponic SIPs-n-Salts " I get a massive boost from the microbes and the mycs.
Synth ferts do not kill microbes or mycorihzae in a container system, that's just not a thing. And you don't have to culture commercial mycs like I do, I do it this way for the faster impact, but also for my budget. I use way less product over time this way by growing it out first, tiny bits at a time.
You could do the same with recharge or GreatWhite, etc. I also use a product, as my base, called LiquiDirt, that I think is probably the best bioactive additive that nobody uses.
I've always followed your grows/posts, I really like how you think, the family interaction, and your dedication to doing things as well as you possibly can while being open to always learning. Hell, you should run for office! Seriously though, respect.
Man, I have to say I did not expect all the SIP excitement, even after a couple of seasons of growing mountains of veg. And now growing weed in them, I mean, I've dug deep into the pure research on the SIPs but also the forums, all the forums, both weed and gardening generally, and they all have a small SIP cadre, and they all grow monsters.
I guess I thought it's been around so long, people are at where they're gonna be at. I figured maybe they're afraid of root damage or maybe tried SWICKing and didn't like it and have a mental blockage there.
Anyway, it’s so cool to share interests with fair-minded and curious growers. Truly a privilege. I used to go climbing and hiking anytime the opportunity arose, whether I could drag someone along or not, but, I always had at least twice as much fun with friends.
LK you could have transplanted that little guy three weeks ago and have been a week ahead of where you are now.
Check out the porous nursery bags that are available, they have huge advantages, esp. for SIP seedlings. You can bottom-water them more easily, for one thing, and get the hydrotropism developments all the way from seed. IMO they also transplant better, no wrapped roots, and because of air pruning you get the dendritic root formation just like with larger soft pots. they only cost about 20 cents a piece and store a lot more easily than solo cups et al.
I'm gonna show you a hilarious example... and then ‘try to explain myself.’
Okay, these Sativas from @danishoes21
appear only to respond to conditions similar to the SE Asian cholera-swamps
where one of ‘em is from. First, seeds wouldn’t pop until I set the seed mat at 85 and potted them in what can only be described as dirty water.
Now, at this size, about 2 weeks ago, they appeared to stop picking up nitrogen and stalll out.
So, even though they were already sitting on SIP feet filled with perlite and gravel that was wicking up great… in an aquarium, it just wasn’t fetid enough for these little jungle hardcores, oh no…
it took heating the rez water to 85 and cranking the rh to 100%, to coax out a little “praying” from these three. They have kept praying since these elements were corrected. Madness.
Look, If these plants continue to reject colonization by my civilized, paternal hand, well, then only providence itself can save these savages.
I run MC 2 part, plus Mag Sulphate, fertigation in my rez with a Promix/Sunshine#4 matrix.(60peat40perlite, lime), but I do use endomychorihzae heavily (I culture the store-bought so I am always planting live hyphae into my SIPs and not spores)
microbes, same thing, I buy NPK's Veg and Bloom microbes - excellent product - but I culture them so that I'm adding a living product, not spores which still need to activate
So, even though I'm technically growing 'Hydroponic SIPs-n-Salts " I get a massive boost from the microbes and the mycs.
Synth ferts do not kill microbes or mycorihzae in a container system, that's just not a thing. And you don't have to culture commercial mycs like I do, I do it this way for the faster impact, but also for my budget. I use way less product over time this way by growing it out first, tiny bits at a time.
Thanks for the new products to check out RD!Thanks for the tag LK, but I was already here, just being uncharacteristically quiet. Gonna change that right now.
I've always followed your grows/posts, I really like how you think, the family interaction, and your dedication to doing things as well as you possibly can while being open to always learning. Hell, you should run for office! Seriously though, respect.
Man, I have to say I did not expect all the SIP excitement, even after a couple of seasons of growing mountains of veg. And now growing weed in them, I mean, I've dug deep into the pure research on the SIPs but also the forums, all the forums, both weed and gardening generally, and they all have a small SIP cadre, and they all grow monsters.
I guess I thought it's been around so long, people are at where they're gonna be at. I figured maybe they're afraid of root damage or maybe tried SWICKing and didn't like it and have a mental blockage there.
Anyway, it’s so cool to share interests with fair-minded and curious growers. Truly a privilege. I used to go climbing and hiking anytime the opportunity arose, whether I could drag someone along or not, but, I always had at least twice as much fun with friends.
LK you could have transplanted that little guy three weeks ago and have been a week ahead of where you are now.
Check out the porous nursery bags that are available, they have huge advantages, esp. for SIP seedlings. You can bottom-water them more easily, for one thing, and get the hydrotropism developments all the way from seed. IMO they also transplant better, no wrapped roots, and because of air pruning you get the dendritic root formation just like with larger soft pots. they only cost about 20 cents a piece and store a lot more easily than solo cups et al.
I'm gonna show you a hilarious example... and then ‘try to explain myself.’
Okay, these Sativas from @danishoes21
appear only to respond to conditions similar to the SE Asian cholera-swamps
where one of ‘em is from. First, seeds wouldn’t pop until I set the seed mat at 85 and potted them in what can only be described as dirty water.
Now, at this size, about 2 weeks ago, they appeared to stop picking up nitrogen and stalll out.
So, even though they were already sitting on SIP feet filled with perlite and gravel that was wicking up great… in an aquarium, it just wasn’t fetid enough for these little jungle hardcores, oh no…
it took heating the rez water to 85 and cranking the rh to 100%, to coax out a little “praying” from these three. They have kept praying since these elements were corrected. Madness.
Look, If these plants continue to reject colonization by my civilized, paternal hand, well, then only providence itself can save these savages.
I run MC 2 part, plus Mag Sulphate, fertigation in my rez with a Promix/Sunshine#4 matrix.(60peat40perlite, lime), but I do use endomychorihzae heavily (I culture the store-bought so I am always planting live hyphae into my SIPs and not spores)
microbes, same thing, I buy NPK's Veg and Bloom microbes - excellent product - but I culture them so that I'm adding a living product, not spores which still need to activate.
So, even though I'm technically growing 'Hydroponic SIPs-n-Salts " I get a massive boost from the microbes and the mycs.
Synth ferts do not kill microbes or mycorihzae in a container system, that's just not a thing. And you don't have to culture commercial mycs like I do, I do it this way for the faster impact, but also for my budget. I use way less product over time this way by growing it out first, tiny bits at a time.
You could do the same with recharge or GreatWhite, etc. I also use a product, as my base, called LiquiDirt, that I think is probably the best bioactive additive that nobody uses.
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Welcome Az, sorry I missed your tag and very happy to have you along for this grow.
Thanks a lot RD.
There are things I like about soil, and those I don't. I don't like how they slow down in the dry period, and I don't always have 1/2 hour to water them correctly every couple of days. This seems like a good way to get rid of those issues.
Also, I've been using a type of SIP for my peppers outside this year and they are massive.
I can see that now, and I'll plant in the SIP earlier in the future.
I've been looking at these and had planned to pick some up.
Great stuff RD. I'm using Dynomyco for the Myco, and Geoflora has microbes built in. I've seen you talking up that liquid dirt, I may have to pick some up. Thanks for giving away your 'secret sauce'