LKABudMan Grows A Fruit Punch Auto With The Vivosun Smart Grow System! - Featuring Herbies Seeds, GeoFlora & Dynomyco

[LKABudMan]

Date - 10/7/22 - Day# 30 since sprout
Strain - Herbies Seeds - Fruit Punch Auto Fem (Heavyweight Seeds)
Grow space - The 'Playpen' - a 32x32x60 tent outfitted with the VIVOSUN Smart Grow System
- AeroLight - The world’s first 100W LED grow light with an integrated circulatory fan
- AeroZesh - 6" Ultra powerful automated exhaust fully programmable through the GrowHub
- Growhub - Controls all tent equipment simultaneously
All controlled through the VIVOSUN App
In -Vegetative- Mode
- Light - 16" away
- 00:00-04:00 OFF
- 04:00-24:00 Spectrum:Vegetative, Intensity:100%
- Circulation Fan
- 00:00-4:00 Low Speed
- 04:00-24:00 Natural wind
- Exhaust Fan:
- 00:00-04:00 High 75F / 65% RH, default 1, Max 5
- 04:00-24:00 Cycle: 00:01 Speed#3, 00:14 off (Flush air in tent every 4 times an hour)
Nutrients - Geoflora Veg & Dynomyco
Medium - 5g SIP container with Sohum soil amended with Dynomyco and GeoFlora Veg
Other - 8" Fan
Water - Carbon-filtered well water (100ppm)

It's amazing how much she's growing daily now. I open up the middle of the plant every morning, and by the next morning it's completely covered up again. On Wednesday morning I filled her res, then yesterday afternoon she took 1.5L!

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• LKABudMan
• Oct 7, 2022

Pebbles grow tracker 10/7

This morning there were a couple of branches over the edge of the bucket, so I used binder clips on the side of the bucket to tie off to for now. I'll need to do something different if I wnat her much wider. I also took off 4-5 leaves from the top that were blocking bud sites. You can really see her tops coming from everywhere now.

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• LKABudMan
• Oct 7, 2022

Pebbles (Fruit Punch Auto) 10/7 Day# 30 before LST update

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• LKABudMan
• Oct 7, 2022

Pebbles (Fruit Punch Auto) 10/7 Day# 30

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• LKABudMan
• Oct 7, 2022

Pebbles (Fruit Punch Auto) 10/7 Day# 30

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• LKABudMan
• Oct 7, 2022

Pebbles (Fruit Punch Auto) 10/7 Day# 30

She's 20" wide now. I'm expecting her to flop out a couple inches once she fills in, so she's getting close to her maximum width in this tent (32x32). I'm hoping she's going to bud any day now.

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• LKABudMan
• Oct 7, 2022

Pebbles (Fruit Punch Auto) 10/7 Day# 30

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• LKABudMan
• Oct 7, 2022
• aerolight lovewhatyougrow smart grow system vivosun

Pebbles (Fruit Punch Auto) 10/7 Day# 30 under the Vivosun AeroLight

@VIVOSUN #VIVOSUN #SmartGrowSystem #LoveWhatYouGrow

 

[Azimuth]

Aarrr I see what ur saying, So in a 2x4 space wat size would be best just so i have an idea of what could be expected.

My flower space is 36"w x 36"h x 20"d (1m x 1m x 0.5m) and I'm moving to (3) 2 gallon buckets that are about 9" wide (ish). So basically each plant gets a space 12" wide by 20" deep. In your space that would mean 3-4 plants depending on how tightly you want to cram them in. Training is important as well so they keep to their respective space.

Alternatively you could do what @Hafta does and just do one plant with good training.

 

[GreenFingaz]

No apology needed, that was very helpful. I did a little more reading on Hydrotropism and the moisture gradient, and what you've been saying is starting to make sense If Hydrotropism is causing specific root growth based on the moisture gradient, then by top watering you are changing the gradient and confusing the roots. Especially at first.

It's also the best argument I've heard for starting in the SIP.

I would think this would be the best way to get the proper moisture gradient on the pot.

I see RD answered in your thread HERE.

I have a clone outside in a 9" SIP pot. The SIP reservoir doesn't hold much, so you'd probably need to fill it 2-3 times a day. But it would easily fit in a 2x4 tent, and they come in different sizes.

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• LKABudMan
• Oct 7, 2022

Clone in 9" SIP pot

Would be a good idea but as mad as it sounds I dont have time to do that 3 times a day I could do with something where it's once a day

 

[Azimuth]

Would be a good idea but as mad as it sounds I dont have time to do that 3 times a day I could do with something where it's once a day

Yeah those are good pots but the reservoir is pretty small. The bucket and container SIPs are easy enough to build your own with a reservoir you can determine yourself.

 

[GreenFingaz]

Yeah those are good pots but the reservoir is pretty small. The bucket and container SIPs are easy enough to build your own with a reservoir you can determine yourself.

Ye I've seen those different kinds when we spoke about em on buds thread. I might try do 1 plant early next year and try do a scrog

 

[Azimuth]

Ye I've seen those different kinds when we spoke about em on buds thread. I might try do 1 plant early next year and try do a scrog

You won't regret it. (Or at least you'd be the first to do so...)

There are a few different designs for them, but they all have the same basic principles.

 

[ReservoirDog]

My flower space is 36"w x 36"h x 20"d (1m x 1m x 0.5m) and I'm moving to (3) 2 gallon buckets that are about 9" wide (ish). So basically each plant gets a space 12" wide by 20" deep. In your space that would mean 3-4 plants depending on how tightly you want to cram them in. Training is important as well so they keep to their respective space.

Alternatively you could do what @Hafta does and just do one plant with good training.

I've bought into @Hafta and @Carcass ' methods this grow and I'm quickly becoming an acolyte. I've got a great skirt of mature fan leaves all along the outside edge of my SIPs and my plants are heavily trained. I've used carhooks mostly but use Hafta's Constant Stress Training (hanging weights) around the edges where I have no dirt to use carhooks in, and on the very large branches that just laugh-off the carhooks. I also use a few 90 degree clips which are useful to think of as supercropping that doesn't slow the plant because no breakage occurs. I have LOTS of budsites and a very level canopy. Thank you to those two members who showed such patience and collaborative spirit, you are gentlemen of high character indeed. Top lads!

Am very impressed with the carhooks, I have made up 200 carhooks to have enough for eight plants/2 tents, and Haftas prescription for leaf-leaving will only fully reveal its value after some bud-building has gone on, but so far I think I'm on the right track. Frankly, I defoliate every day with these dang SIPs, but it sure beats watering every day as it's not a MUST-DO, just a fun pastime I can do at my leisure, mostly. I've been using washers as weights to hang from the branches and other trinkets around the house. I'm just not into running off to the store or amazon every time I want something for the plants. I'm trying to make triple and quadruple mortgage payments on my house while rates are still lower than they're gonna be, and get close to, or fully, paid off within a couple of years.

 

[ReservoirDog]

Ye I've seen those different kinds when we spoke about em on buds thread. I might try do 1 plant early next year and try do a scrog

I would look in to getting an earthbox or earthbox junior if I were you, and scrog it.

 

[Hafta]

I've bought into @Hafta and @Carcass ' methods this grow and I'm quickly becoming an acolyte. I've got a great skirt of mature fan leaves all along the outside edge of my SIPs and my plants are heavily trained. I've used carhooks mostly but use Hafta's Constant Stress Training (hanging weights) around the edges where I have no dirt to use carhooks in, and on the very large branches that just laugh-off the carhooks. I also use a few 90 degree clips which are useful to think of as supercropping that doesn't slow the plant because no breakage occurs. I have LOTS of budsites and a very level canopy. Thank you to those two members who showed such patience and collaborative spirit, you are gentlemen of high character indeed. Top lads!

Am very impressed with the carhooks, I have made up 200 carhooks to have enough for eight plants/2 tents, and Haftas prescription for leaf-leaving will only fully reveal its value after some bud-building has gone on, but so far I think I'm on the right track. Frankly, I defoliate every day with these dang SIPs, but it sure beats watering every day as it's not a MUST-DO, just a fun pastime I can do at my leisure, mostly. I've been using washers as weights to hang from the branches and other trinkets around the house. I'm just not into running off to the store or amazon every time I want something for the plants. I'm trying to make triple and quadruple mortgage payments on my house while rates are still lower than they're gonna be, and get close to, or fully, paid off within a couple of years.

Be aggressive with the leaf removal. When I mention 20 - 50 per day most people just roll their eyes. Sounds like you are going to have a wonderful harvest.

 

[Azimuth]

Be aggressive with the leaf removal. When I mention 20 - 50 per day most people just roll their eyes. Sounds like you are going to have a wonderful harvest.

And you do the leaf removal up to when, 3rd week after flip?

 

[InTheShed]

I see RD answered in your thread HERE.

Thanks!

 

[RedskinnedRhino]

This is an informative thread. I feel well informed. Almost like I slept at a Holiday Inn Express or something...

 

[Hafta]

And you do the leaf removal up to when, 3rd week after flip?

Yes, with one exception.

The final removal takes place from about 21 days to 25 days into flower. Usually when pistils, not leaves, are on the tip of the branch. Then I remove about 100 medium to large leaves from the upper part of the plant. I try to get at least one per top to expose the center to premium light.

This is also when I allow the plant to grow vertically throughout.

 

[LKABudMan]

Be aggressive with the leaf removal. When I mention 20 - 50 per day most people just roll their eyes. Sounds like you are going to have a wonderful harvest.

With the leaf removal, are you talking about photos or autos? I usually defoliate my photos like you describe. However, I'm not seeing quite as many leaves to remove on this auto as I usually do. Do you defoliate autos as aggressively?

This is an informative thread. I feel well informed. Almost like I slept at a Holiday Inn Express or something...

I'm glad you are enjoying it. Wait until you see the latest growth on this girl, she has taken it to another level!

 

[Hafta]

With the leaf removal, are you talking about photos or autos? I usually defoliate my photos like you describe. However, I'm not seeing quite as many leaves to remove on this auto as I usually do. Do you defoliate autos as aggressively?

I'm glad you are enjoying it. Wait until you see the latest growth on this girl, she has taken it to another level!

Absolutely. I train both the same, although autos don't allow as much time. The rapid growth you are seeing may be a direct result of the plant attempting to replace the missing leaves.
I usually have between 75 - 100 tops/branches. Of course if you have fewer you would be on the lower end of the removal count.
Do what feels good and a little more. You will get a feel for it.

 

[LKABudMan]

Seems like it might be an easy tweak in the GrowHub software to go back to Recipe rather than Manual after you make that change. I'm sure you're not the only grower it's happened to.

I'd shoot them an email and link them to your post if they're not following the grow closely.

BTW, do you know the difference between a bug and a feature? A feature is documented

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• LKABudMan
• Oct 10, 2022
• growhub lovewhatyougrow smart grow system vivosun

Vivosun GrowHub manual pg 23

It looks like any time you unlock the GrowHub you'll stop the recipe. It always helps to read the manual

 

[LKABudMan]

Date - 10/10/22 - Day# 33 since sprout
Strain - Herbies Seeds - Fruit Punch Auto Fem (Heavyweight Seeds)
Grow space - The 'Playpen' - a 32x32x60 tent outfitted with the VIVOSUN Smart Grow System
- AeroLight - The world’s first 100W LED grow light with an integrated circulatory fan
- AeroZesh - 6" Ultra powerful automated exhaust fully programmable through the GrowHub
- Growhub - Controls all tent equipment simultaneously
All controlled through the VIVOSUN App
In -Vegetative- Mode
- Light - 16" away
- 00:00-04:00 OFF
- 04:00-24:00 Spectrum:Vegetative, Intensity:100%
- Circulation Fan
- 00:00-4:00 Low Speed
- 04:00-24:00 Natural wind
- Exhaust Fan:
- 00:00-04:00 High 75F / 65% RH, default 1, Max 5
- 04:00-24:00 Cycle: 00:01 Speed#3, 00:14 off (Flush air in tent every 4 times an hour)
Nutrients - Geoflora Veg & Dynomyco
Medium - 5g SIP container with Sohum soil amended with Dynomyco and GeoFlora Veg
Other - 8" Fan
Water - Carbon-filtered well water (100ppm)
Weekly Temperatures

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• LKABudMan
• Oct 10, 2022

Playpen weekly temperatures 10/10

At the start of the grow, I had a humidifier in the tent to keep the humidity above 70%. I used the exhaust to vent the tent periodically, but I didn't want to leave it on and have it fighting the humidifier. So I set it to CYCLE mode, venting the tent 3-4 times an hour.

Now that Pebbles is making her own humidity the humidity swings were getting too big. I decided to use the AUTO mode for the exhaust to keep it more even. So I changed the exhaust to AUTO mode, with the maximum humidity at 65%.

That worked really well... for about an hour. Then I saw the humidity going up, even though the exhaust was ramping up from speed# 1 up to speed# 5. I went down to see what was going on and the exhaust fan wasn't running. Even though both the app and the GrowHub said it was on speed# 5.

I re-set the app and stopped and re-started the recipe. It worked for a little while then stopped working again. I never expected the app to show the exhaust as running when it wasn't.

I realize now that the issues I had earlier in the grow were related. Those nights earlier in the grow that it said the exhaust was on and the humidity was still too high. I moved the humidifier, changed the layout of the tent, and kept playing around with the humidifier levels. The problem wasn't any of that, though. The problem was that although the app & growhub said the exhaust was running, it wasn't. Every once in a while when it sends the signal to start the fan, the fan just doesn't start.

When I was running in CYCLE mode it was happening as well, but I didn't notice it until I started looking. In CYCLE mode it just misses one cycle then goes back to normal. Since it turns off after the cycle it was re-setting the fan. In AUTO mode, since the humidity never goes below the set point, the fan never turns OFF. So it thinks the fan is running and ramping up and gets stuck.

Here's a test I did this morning. I put the Aerozesh back in and started the recipe at 10am. You can see it works for about an hour with the variance getting smaller and tighter. Then it suddenly stops working shortly after 11am, even though the app says it ramps up to 5.

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• LKABudMan
• Oct 10, 2022

10/10 test of Aerozesh in recipe mode 65% RH limit

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• LKABudMan
• Oct 10, 2022

Screenshot from Vivosun App showing issue

If you go back and look at the weekly temperatures above, you can see:
- Wednesday 10/5 I changed it to auto and found the issue. I tried a couple more times but eventually changed it back to CYCLE.
- Friday night 10/7 the exhaust never kicked on. The tent humidity was in the 80s for the entire dark period (midnight-4am).
- Yesterday 10/9 I changed exhaust fans. You can see how the humidity evens out for that day, averaging 59%.
- Today I hooked up the Aerozesh to run a test for the dev team. Same problem, then back to the other exhaust fan.

I'm working with the @VIVOSUN development team now to try to figure this out. They haven't been able to duplicate the issue in their lab. I've already tried a new GrowHub with the same results. At this point it looks like I may just have a bad AeroZesh. Until I get a new AeroZesh, though, I'm using another exhaust fan. It's a variable speed fan that I can set on REALLY low. It's not ideal, but it gives a much more consistent temperature and humidity than I can get with the AeroZesh right now.

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All of that hasn't slowed this girl down at all. I'm filling her res daily now, and she's now taking 1.4L/Day.

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• LKABudMan
• Oct 10, 2022

Pebbles grow tracker 10/10

I'm going to need to feed her soon. She's in Sohum soil, some new and some amended with Geoflora Veg. She's been in there for 16 days so I'm a couple of days overdue for a feeding. It's going to be a chore, though. Either tonight or tomorrow I'll:

- Remove all the LST
- Top feed w/ 1/3c @GeoFlora Nutrients Bloom
- Add a fresh layer of soil on top
- Water. I'll use a sprayer and target soaking the top of the bucket. I don't want to mess with the moisture gradient, but I want to make sure the Geoflora is wet enough to activate the microbes.
- Re-do all of the LST

As I write this, I'm wondering if I can top-dress with Geoflora and add some soil without taking off the LST. It might be time to re-do all of the LST anyways, though. I didn't have a lot of time this weekend to do much with this girl. I really just tightened her LST a bit, tucked what leaves I could, and removed a couple that I couldn't. It's probably a good time to re-do all of her LST anyways.

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• LKABudMan
• Oct 10, 2022

Pebbles (Fruit Punch Auto) 10/8 Day# 31 before LST update

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• LKABudMan
• Oct 10, 2022

Pebbles (Fruit Punch Auto) 10/8 Day# 31

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• LKABudMan
• Oct 10, 2022

Pebbles (Fruit Punch Auto) 10/9 Day# 32

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• LKABudMan
• Oct 10, 2022

Pebbles (Fruit Punch Auto) 10/10 Day# 33 before LST update

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• LKABudMan
• Oct 10, 2022

Pebbles (Fruit Punch Auto) 10/10 Day# 33 before LST update

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• LKABudMan
• Oct 10, 2022

Pebbles (Fruit Punch Auto) 10/10 Day# 33

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• LKABudMan
• Oct 10, 2022
• aerolight lovewhatyougrow vivosun

Pebbles (Fruit Punch Auto) 10/10 Day# 33 under the Vivosun AeroLight

You've heard of CarHooks, but do you know about the CarCrook!?! Putting a crook (as described by @Carcass here) in the end of the LST wire really helps it stay in place on the branch. I've been using this with the wires I'm attaching to the side of the bucket. I also put a bend in the wire to make the attachment point seem wider than it is.

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• LKABudMan
• Oct 10, 2022

Pebbles (Fruit Punch Auto) 10/8 Day# 31

I noticed yesterday that her trunk is getting big and woody, especially for under 5 weeks.

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• LKABudMan
• Oct 10, 2022

Pebbles (Fruit Punch Auto) 10/9 Day# 32

Oh, and it looks like it's flower time!

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• LKABudMan
• Oct 10, 2022

Pebbles (Fruit Punch Auto) 10/10 Day# 33

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• LKABudMan
• Oct 10, 2022

Pebbles (Fruit Punch Auto) 10/10 Day# 33

#VIVOSUN #SmartGrowSystem #LoveWhatYouGrow

 

[InTheShed]

Timely catch on the fan feature bug since at this point the plant is still saying IDGAF! Looks happy in there.

 

[LKABudMan]

Timely catch on the fan feature bug since at this point the plant is still saying IDGAF! Looks happy in there.

See, and I felt like it took me forever to catch on to what was happening. You're right, though, you couldn't tell by looking at her. It's hard to believe it's only been two weeks since she was topped.

 

[Carcass]

but do you know about the CarCrook!?!

Cool! It's got a name now!
Glad it's working for you, it makes the process just a smidge easier...
That plant is looking great! I tried training an auto one time (so far), but she didn't like it, so she didn't stretch -ended up 18 inches wide, but only 4 inches tall...she was CBD weed, so no big deal ..