Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo
LIL N. is pulling out the mutant clone army.. Cool
LIL N. is pulling out the mutant clone army.. Cool
Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed Planted New Year's Eve During the Blue Moon
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Lil Neutrino
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Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo
Pic updates from yesterday
Clones have not died after 24 hours...maybe there's hope lol! They looked like they had perked up a bit when I first checked on them yesterday so that was positive. I thought the Rapid Rooter plugs were extremely saturated so I drained the rest of the water out of the lower part of the container (had about 2mm in it to wick in to the plugs), carefully squeezed most of the water out (still moist, just not dripping wet...i.e., squeeze but only a drop or two comes out) and made sure to refill any air gaps near the stem, misted them, and misted the dome very heavily and replaced. Hopefully I didn't screw up, I'll find out in a couple hours.
And the momma plant, after taking those cuttings the next morning she had taken off with new growth. I don't know if anything can slow her down...mutations, burns, low pH water, cuttings, LST...she's a beast! I sat down with some yarn and some scissors and had an intimate session with her. Also tossed in a soda can for size comparison...you can see part of the main stem if you look closely, it's almost as wide as the beveled top of the can
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DroJo...pic of the main stem just for you
It's about a half inch thick right there, I have relatively skinny fingers.
Pic updates from yesterday
Clones have not died after 24 hours...maybe there's hope lol! They looked like they had perked up a bit when I first checked on them yesterday so that was positive. I thought the Rapid Rooter plugs were extremely saturated so I drained the rest of the water out of the lower part of the container (had about 2mm in it to wick in to the plugs), carefully squeezed most of the water out (still moist, just not dripping wet...i.e., squeeze but only a drop or two comes out) and made sure to refill any air gaps near the stem, misted them, and misted the dome very heavily and replaced. Hopefully I didn't screw up, I'll find out in a couple hours.
And the momma plant, after taking those cuttings the next morning she had taken off with new growth. I don't know if anything can slow her down...mutations, burns, low pH water, cuttings, LST...she's a beast! I sat down with some yarn and some scissors and had an intimate session with her. Also tossed in a soda can for size comparison...you can see part of the main stem if you look closely, it's almost as wide as the beveled top of the can
Before:
After:
DroJo...pic of the main stem just for you
It's about a half inch thick right there, I have relatively skinny fingers.
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Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo
Quick update...checked on the clones and they're doing ok. The largest one (far left in the first pic above) appears to have either grown (!?!?) or it's repositioned that stem mighty quick all things considered. It is sitting upright, no drooping, and the tip has turned upward beyond a shadow of a doubt. I took the cover off and misted them, going to put it back on here in a short bit (20 minutes total or so) with another heavy misting of the humidity cover. The others were a bit droopy but the lights had only been on for less than 15-20 minutes so I'll check in on them again later.
As for the mother...I swear I tied her down good last night. Looks like I have more work to do again tonight lol...bitch...
Quick update...checked on the clones and they're doing ok. The largest one (far left in the first pic above) appears to have either grown (!?!?) or it's repositioned that stem mighty quick all things considered. It is sitting upright, no drooping, and the tip has turned upward beyond a shadow of a doubt. I took the cover off and misted them, going to put it back on here in a short bit (20 minutes total or so) with another heavy misting of the humidity cover. The others were a bit droopy but the lights had only been on for less than 15-20 minutes so I'll check in on them again later.
As for the mother...I swear I tied her down good last night. Looks like I have more work to do again tonight lol...bitch...
Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo
Hey Neutrino! Sounds like you're taking really good care of your clones bro. Good catch with the moisture of the plugs. I have the same ones(mine came 55 in a pack), and if they get too saturated then the clones get soggy instead of rooting. Its best to keep them moist, or jus a tad wet. Reason I say this is because those things can hold a lot of water, and sometimes you cant tell. But as you work with those Root plugs more you'll dial in the moisture. It wasnt easy for me at first tho.
Dude, you're totally into S&M now haha. Get rough with that bitch!
im startin to get jealous of that stem/stalk. lookin great
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Hey Neutrino! Sounds like you're taking really good care of your clones bro. Good catch with the moisture of the plugs. I have the same ones(mine came 55 in a pack), and if they get too saturated then the clones get soggy instead of rooting. Its best to keep them moist, or jus a tad wet. Reason I say this is because those things can hold a lot of water, and sometimes you cant tell. But as you work with those Root plugs more you'll dial in the moisture. It wasnt easy for me at first tho.
Dude, you're totally into S&M now haha. Get rough with that bitch!
im startin to get jealous of that stem/stalk. lookin great
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Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo
I hear that you still want to encourage root growth when rooting clones, the roots won't come out looking for the water if your drowning them..
I hear that you still want to encourage root growth when rooting clones, the roots won't come out looking for the water if your drowning them..
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Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo
Thanks Dro...you're right, those pellets are hard to gauge at first and they're like a gardener version of Brawny paper towels.
sisco...exactly
Thanks Dro...you're right, those pellets are hard to gauge at first and they're like a gardener version of Brawny paper towels.
sisco...exactly
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Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo
Hey lil N, I saw you were over at tunes420s journal. I'm not sure how I feel about pruning either, here is a post I saw in DocBuds journal on the side of not pruning so much. It's just MountainHighs thoughts on it but thought you might be interested.
Originally Posted by MountainHigh View Post
Here is my thoughts, the plant sugars that make plant expansion available within the plant come from photosynthesis. That happens in the leaves. If you remove the fan leaves, any energy the plant stored in those leaves and even if a tiny amount of light hits those leaves they stay green or have on Lilbit then they will make even a tiny bit more plant sugars. If your plant has an abundance of plant sugars, it makes more foliage, more buds, more roots....win win...removing the fan leaves removes an important amount of those sugars, watering down your plants overall potential within the sap of the plant.
Ok here comes my craziness, I sit and reason stuff out so it makes sense to me, it may or may not have any basis in truth, but it makes sense to me.
Ok, healthy plants have high pressure within their stocks, this pressure holds their fans and sugar leaves upward because that is the direction they grow naturally in the plant structure, everything is angled upward from the stalk. Imagine an air pump increasing the pressure within the stock of the plant from below, low pressure (droopy leaves) shows general inability of the root system to support the foliage (low power pump).
Ok here comes the synergy, dump tons of light on healthy happy fan leaves, they do their photosynthesis magic and dump their manufactured sugars into the plants vascular system and intake more nutrients and water to continue working. This plant sugar "sweetens" the sap, lots of sugars available allow the root system to expand increasing the plants ability to uptake more nutes and water and generate pressure in the stalk. The roots have to have good uptake, so salt build-ups are a no-no, excess nutes are a no-no (don't clog the uptake), bad ph is BAD, as long as you have available what the plant needs more is less, lowering the ability of the plant to make the needed pressure lowers production and if you see where trichomes form on leaves, it is as if this structure is ballooned out of the surface of the leaf by pressure from within (at back edges where the vascular pressure would be highest)...I conjecture that is exactly what is happening and keeping high sap pressure (leaves pointed up and happy) will increase your resin production and harden your buds with sap instead of making fluffy bud.
This process involves different things for different systems but is basically healthy leaves and roots = healthy vibrant producing plant.
Tuck the fans, if you play just a bit, you can learn to weave the leaves tips together below the buds and they can't pull apart for some reason, the constant upward pressure from the sap in the stock making the leaves hold onto each other and they are rough leaves so they stay together.
Wow ramble city... To be honest I have no idea if that is the mechanism, but makes sense to me from what I have seen in my grow an other grows with the healthiest looking plants.
If I made any botanist's chuckle then it is a good day..
Hey lil N, I saw you were over at tunes420s journal. I'm not sure how I feel about pruning either, here is a post I saw in DocBuds journal on the side of not pruning so much. It's just MountainHighs thoughts on it but thought you might be interested.
Originally Posted by MountainHigh View Post
Here is my thoughts, the plant sugars that make plant expansion available within the plant come from photosynthesis. That happens in the leaves. If you remove the fan leaves, any energy the plant stored in those leaves and even if a tiny amount of light hits those leaves they stay green or have on Lilbit then they will make even a tiny bit more plant sugars. If your plant has an abundance of plant sugars, it makes more foliage, more buds, more roots....win win...removing the fan leaves removes an important amount of those sugars, watering down your plants overall potential within the sap of the plant.
Ok here comes my craziness, I sit and reason stuff out so it makes sense to me, it may or may not have any basis in truth, but it makes sense to me.
Ok, healthy plants have high pressure within their stocks, this pressure holds their fans and sugar leaves upward because that is the direction they grow naturally in the plant structure, everything is angled upward from the stalk. Imagine an air pump increasing the pressure within the stock of the plant from below, low pressure (droopy leaves) shows general inability of the root system to support the foliage (low power pump).
Ok here comes the synergy, dump tons of light on healthy happy fan leaves, they do their photosynthesis magic and dump their manufactured sugars into the plants vascular system and intake more nutrients and water to continue working. This plant sugar "sweetens" the sap, lots of sugars available allow the root system to expand increasing the plants ability to uptake more nutes and water and generate pressure in the stalk. The roots have to have good uptake, so salt build-ups are a no-no, excess nutes are a no-no (don't clog the uptake), bad ph is BAD, as long as you have available what the plant needs more is less, lowering the ability of the plant to make the needed pressure lowers production and if you see where trichomes form on leaves, it is as if this structure is ballooned out of the surface of the leaf by pressure from within (at back edges where the vascular pressure would be highest)...I conjecture that is exactly what is happening and keeping high sap pressure (leaves pointed up and happy) will increase your resin production and harden your buds with sap instead of making fluffy bud.
This process involves different things for different systems but is basically healthy leaves and roots = healthy vibrant producing plant.
Tuck the fans, if you play just a bit, you can learn to weave the leaves tips together below the buds and they can't pull apart for some reason, the constant upward pressure from the sap in the stock making the leaves hold onto each other and they are rough leaves so they stay together.
Wow ramble city... To be honest I have no idea if that is the mechanism, but makes sense to me from what I have seen in my grow an other grows with the healthiest looking plants.
If I made any botanist's chuckle then it is a good day..
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Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo
Thanks, I appreciate the cut'n'paste...my logic follows MH's but does not extend nearly as deeply, haha! I did not prune at all during my first grow and my plants became plant versions of Shaggy. Some of the older growth wound up dying and those were removed as they yellowed and the plant allowed me to pluck them off. However I didn't have any problems with yellowing leaves until late in flowering as normally expected. Bud development was decent imho...it was a small plant with a relatively large main cola (see page 20 of my first grow...I think, give or take a page) and plenty of decent sized smaller buds; ALL were hard as a rock, no fluffy pillow buds there
The main reason I would consider pruning now is to help with airflow through the shrubbery and because some fan leaves are in contact with the soil...but no signs of mold or rot yet. Right now I turn her 2-3 times a day to help ensure proper air exchange in the foliage as well as to give all the growth it's time in the wind to strengthen the stems.
I'm gonna contemplate this while I go to sleep...
Thanks, I appreciate the cut'n'paste...my logic follows MH's but does not extend nearly as deeply, haha! I did not prune at all during my first grow and my plants became plant versions of Shaggy. Some of the older growth wound up dying and those were removed as they yellowed and the plant allowed me to pluck them off. However I didn't have any problems with yellowing leaves until late in flowering as normally expected. Bud development was decent imho...it was a small plant with a relatively large main cola (see page 20 of my first grow...I think, give or take a page) and plenty of decent sized smaller buds; ALL were hard as a rock, no fluffy pillow buds there
The main reason I would consider pruning now is to help with airflow through the shrubbery and because some fan leaves are in contact with the soil...but no signs of mold or rot yet. Right now I turn her 2-3 times a day to help ensure proper air exchange in the foliage as well as to give all the growth it's time in the wind to strengthen the stems.
I'm gonna contemplate this while I go to sleep...
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Hey Lil Neutrino, just caught up on your grow. I did laugh out loud at your ugly seedling...in a good way though! Your lighting setup is super-awesome! Seems like you got it under control
Hey Lil Neutrino, just caught up on your grow. I did laugh out loud at your ugly seedling...in a good way though! Your lighting setup is super-awesome! Seems like you got it under control
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Those fan leaves touching the soil will hurt your feelings something fierce....I just removed a few on Lilbit that finally died in that jungle though that I finally noticed lol. The other girls pissed me off with too many balls and got stripped down there.
I am not sure a few fans will matter at all.
Thanks, I appreciate the cut'n'paste...my logic follows MH's but does not extend nearly as deeply, haha! I did not prune at all during my first grow and my plants became plant versions of Shaggy. Some of the older growth wound up dying and those were removed as they yellowed and the plant allowed me to pluck them off. However I didn't have any problems with yellowing leaves until late in flowering as normally expected. Bud development was decent imho...it was a small plant with a relatively large main cola (see page 20 of my first grow...I think, give or take a page) and plenty of decent sized smaller buds; ALL were hard as a rock, no fluffy pillow buds there
The main reason I would consider pruning now is to help with airflow through the shrubbery and because some fan leaves are in contact with the soil...but no signs of mold or rot yet. Right now I turn her 2-3 times a day to help ensure proper air exchange in the foliage as well as to give all the growth it's time in the wind to strengthen the stems.
I'm gonna contemplate this while I go to sleep...
Those fan leaves touching the soil will hurt your feelings something fierce....I just removed a few on Lilbit that finally died in that jungle though that I finally noticed lol. The other girls pissed me off with too many balls and got stripped down there.
I am not sure a few fans will matter at all.
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I am not sure a few fans will matter at all.
I am not sure a few fans will matter at all.
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Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo
I trimmed her up a good bit last night and tied down some growth that was trying to shoot upwards...cut off all the fan leaves that were touching the soil, that were damaged/unhealthy (almost all), and some that were in the underfoliage that would never develop in to anything. I have a few more I want to trim but I didn't want to take too much off at one time. The plan, as of now, is to put her in to 12/12 on Wednesday. Today she is 7.5 weeks in to veg...so much more patient this time around. After my last grow I said next time I wanted to veg for 4-5 weeks, I think I've met and exceeded that lol. I'm gonna take some pics and post a pic update shortly as it's been a few days and I'm not usually up this early to where I can get in the cabinet while the lights are still on! One clone is not looking too happy as it has not shown any signs of vigor and they are now one week old. It's leaves never perked up, has been drooping since day one.
I trimmed her up a good bit last night and tied down some growth that was trying to shoot upwards...cut off all the fan leaves that were touching the soil, that were damaged/unhealthy (almost all), and some that were in the underfoliage that would never develop in to anything. I have a few more I want to trim but I didn't want to take too much off at one time. The plan, as of now, is to put her in to 12/12 on Wednesday. Today she is 7.5 weeks in to veg...so much more patient this time around. After my last grow I said next time I wanted to veg for 4-5 weeks, I think I've met and exceeded that lol. I'm gonna take some pics and post a pic update shortly as it's been a few days and I'm not usually up this early to where I can get in the cabinet while the lights are still on! One clone is not looking too happy as it has not shown any signs of vigor and they are now one week old. It's leaves never perked up, has been drooping since day one.
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Re: Lil Neutrino's 2nd Indoor CFL - Bagseed planted New Year's Eve during the blue mo
Trimmed and tied down a bit more...pics from both sides
And an undergrowth shot...like I said, I still have a little more trimming that I would like to finish up on Wednesday. I wanted to give her a couple days to heal up from this pruning.
The damaged looking leaf to the left of the rubberband in the last pic has been trimmed btw, didn't notice it last night but it was bad enough it wasn't staying on another day.
Trimmed and tied down a bit more...pics from both sides
And an undergrowth shot...like I said, I still have a little more trimming that I would like to finish up on Wednesday. I wanted to give her a couple days to heal up from this pruning.
The damaged looking leaf to the left of the rubberband in the last pic has been trimmed btw, didn't notice it last night but it was bad enough it wasn't staying on another day.
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Yeah trimming fans on that beast is probably a good idea, but look what happened to munki's with foliage like that....trichome city and will make massive hash. I think you have a beauty there bro.
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Yeah trimming fans on that beast is probably a good idea, but look what happened to munki's with foliage like that....trichome city and will make massive hash. I think you have a beauty there bro.
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I dropped by munki's journal per your comments and daaaaaaamn he has some serious sugar frosting going on! I trimmed a few more fan leaves off today and that should be it...I also found another candidate for a clone as it's never going to really produce much where it's located.
I have to rig up a veg cabinet first but I'm wanting to switch her to 12/12 by this weekend. I was aiming for tomorrow but my original veg box isn't too promising as a permanent solution to keep the clones in but will work for a week or so if need be. I fed her some Mexican bat guano tea that I let marinate for 48 hours...two tablespoons of guano and one gallon of distilled water. Had to use some lemon juice to drop the pH to an acceptable level but I got it down to where the run-off from the soil was 6.3. If I said she liked it that would be an understatement! She should have plenty of N for her flowering stretch I think.
I dropped by munki's journal per your comments and daaaaaaamn he has some serious sugar frosting going on! I trimmed a few more fan leaves off today and that should be it...I also found another candidate for a clone as it's never going to really produce much where it's located.
I have to rig up a veg cabinet first but I'm wanting to switch her to 12/12 by this weekend. I was aiming for tomorrow but my original veg box isn't too promising as a permanent solution to keep the clones in but will work for a week or so if need be. I fed her some Mexican bat guano tea that I let marinate for 48 hours...two tablespoons of guano and one gallon of distilled water. Had to use some lemon juice to drop the pH to an acceptable level but I got it down to where the run-off from the soil was 6.3. If I said she liked it that would be an understatement! She should have plenty of N for her flowering stretch I think.
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how tall is that plant, cant really tell.
how tall is that plant, cant really tell.
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She's as tall as you want her to be...at least that's what she tells me while I'm falling asleep! I can get a more exact measurement in about an hour when the lights come back on but off the top of my head she's a little under a foot to the top of her canopy and I would venture she's under 10" even, I think her main stem tops out around 7" or so where it bends horizontal. We'll see how far off I was in a little bit!
She's as tall as you want her to be...at least that's what she tells me while I'm falling asleep! I can get a more exact measurement in about an hour when the lights come back on but off the top of my head she's a little under a foot to the top of her canopy and I would venture she's under 10" even, I think her main stem tops out around 7" or so where it bends horizontal. We'll see how far off I was in a little bit!
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Boy was I a bit off...5" to the top side of her main stem at its highest point and 8" to the top of the canopy from the surface of the soil. She's rather vertically challenged
Boy was I a bit off...5" to the top side of her main stem at its highest point and 8" to the top of the canopy from the surface of the soil. She's rather vertically challenged
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Did my last bit of pruning, I'm happy with the light penetration now...once I flip the lights to 12/12 this weekend (had to push it back a few days) the remaining shoots that haven't quite penetrated the canopy are going to pop out in no time. I also took two more clones from low off the main stem, if they root great if not they weren't going to develop in to much anyway. The smallest clone from the previous cuttings isn't looking too promising but until it shows obvious signs of dying I'm not throwing it out.
Maybe pics tomorrow...
Did my last bit of pruning, I'm happy with the light penetration now...once I flip the lights to 12/12 this weekend (had to push it back a few days) the remaining shoots that haven't quite penetrated the canopy are going to pop out in no time. I also took two more clones from low off the main stem, if they root great if not they weren't going to develop in to much anyway. The smallest clone from the previous cuttings isn't looking too promising but until it shows obvious signs of dying I'm not throwing it out.
Maybe pics tomorrow...