Seems like watching for male flowers - and finding some seeds in the crop - was part of growing strains from that area. It was almost like it was just a sign that, yes, this plant really is progressing and really will finish (someday).
Landrace Genetics 101
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I was going to post in a new thread, but thought maybe someone can answer in this one?
I'm close to settling on one or two female seeds for next grow. Was considering getting a few landrace to get seeds from them. What makes for a good male source. Consistent potency and very cheap. The money situation is not good right now...so cheap is a must.
Don't know enough about the African strains to make any judgments of their suitability (know Durban). Know a little more about the Asian ones, but limited on them as well. Central American..I know about Panama...we had it back in the 60/70's (Panama Red). Jamaican I'm not a fan of and know almost nothing about Honduras and other Central American strains. South American also in the ignorance zone.
Can some recommend some to consider and why they would be?
Thanks
I'm close to settling on one or two female seeds for next grow. Was considering getting a few landrace to get seeds from them. What makes for a good male source. Consistent potency and very cheap. The money situation is not good right now...so cheap is a must.
Don't know enough about the African strains to make any judgments of their suitability (know Durban). Know a little more about the Asian ones, but limited on them as well. Central American..I know about Panama...we had it back in the 60/70's (Panama Red). Jamaican I'm not a fan of and know almost nothing about Honduras and other Central American strains. South American also in the ignorance zone.
Can some recommend some to consider and why they would be?
Thanks
I keep hearing great things about Ace Seeds' "killer" Malawi male ... 
... They've had it for years and love it - high vigor and potency in the offspring. Check that out.
They probably aren't especially cheap, but it'd be a great line to have.
... They've had it for years and love it - high vigor and potency in the offspring. Check that out.They probably aren't especially cheap, but it'd be a great line to have.
I keep hearing great things about Ace Seeds' "killer" Malawi male ...
They probably aren't especially cheap, but it'd be a great line to have.
Thanks...I've looked at Malawi more than once. Will keep it in mind.
I've read good things about Zamaldelica (might have spelled that wrong) by Ace Seeds, I think. Supposed to be a cross of two landraces. Or, possibly, three, depending on whether one purchases the feminised or regular type - I'm not real clear on all that, but it seems that the two offerings might be different?
Not exactly a landrace, itself, but the offspring of two (or three?) of them.
Not exactly a landrace, itself, but the offspring of two (or three?) of them.
Thanks for that also. I've also looked at Zamaldelica several times. Think someone did a journal with Golden Tiger (2 landraces) and believe they also had Zamaldelica. It looks very potent as well as Golden Tiger. Would get some of them (probably not affordable right now), but want to be sure to get a male...that's kind of odd? Not looking for females...lol
BTW
Males are wanted for using on an autoflower cross. Guess that doesn't much matter?
Zamaldelica is: zamal (landrace from La Reunion) x Golden Tiger ( Malawi x Thai) it can be very trippy and energetic. Not for smokers with low tolerance levels.
The breeder (Ace Seeds) is currently charging $22.35 for five and $39.12 for ten non-feminized Zamaldelica seeds. Golden Tiger (again, non-feminized) is $27.94 for five and $44.70 for ten. Seems like a more than reasonable price for either, to me.
I assume that the pricing will be similar at one's favorite seedbank...
Well... the breeder Dutch Passion published an article several years ago, and part of that discussed how to encourage a higher ratio of females (vs. males).
Dutch Passion said:
I have seen enough grows that evidenced poor environmental conditions, where the grower complained about a high incidence of male plants, to believe that the environmental conditions DO influence the sex of non-feminized seeds. Therefore, aiming for the opposite of the above suggestions would probably give you more males than females (and you'd probably be happy if you flowered any females that you did happen to get...). Long hours of light per day, more red light than blue, higher temperatures, lower humidity, et cetera. When I've been able to follow those suggestions, I've certainly observed good F:M ratios (when "good" was defined as more females than males, lol - sometimes, significantly more).
Those prices are actually in Euros - so you can roughly double that to convert to dollars. Still very reasonable though for some wonderful strains. G Tiger is my favourite strain with Malawi a close second.
Thanks fellas. Had not seen the Dutch passion info before. Read here that putting seeds in a closed bag of banana might cause more female - true or not....I just did a bunch of bag seeds to try them to see what proportions will be(not that is pertinent to this thread).
I know that 20 or 30 some dollars isn't much for some, but it certainly is for me. I was looking at the 1 to 3 per seeds range and getting maybe 3 or 4 of them. Found some sources, but wanted input on which to pick over others. Found cheap Malawi/Malawi Gold and various Columbian landrace as well as Mexican (brick weed has given Mex a bad rep) and Thai.
Thanks
I know that 20 or 30 some dollars isn't much for some, but it certainly is for me. I was looking at the 1 to 3 per seeds range and getting maybe 3 or 4 of them. Found some sources, but wanted input on which to pick over others. Found cheap Malawi/Malawi Gold and various Columbian landrace as well as Mexican (brick weed has given Mex a bad rep) and Thai.
Thanks
Do you have a link to the supplier?
Funny... when I selected USD in the currency selection drop-down, those were the prices that the website gave me (and the little € symbol changed to a $
) ....
My bad - you're right. I didn't realize your dollar had gotten so far ahead of ours. The US dollar and euro are pretty close to equal right now.
To be honest, I when I initially saw what the numbers changed to (and how little the change was), I was concerned enough to check the current exchange rate. And... what's up with that, lol? I mean... Our economy isn't exactly in the sh!tter (or at least not under it, yet) but it's not stellar - and I have gotten the strong impression that much of it is... somewhat artificially inflated. OtOH, we're just one country (more or less), not an associated group of countries that must all share the same currency regardless of the current, past, and expected short-term future economic status of those countries. Which might, in theory, sort of suggest that your currency's value is somewhat more likely to be more realistic(?) than ours. But I skipped Economics class in high school quite a bit so that I could get an early start on... lunch and stuff. I did better the year I had Guitar class immediately before lunch, lol - less than ten students (all kind of crispy around the edges ) and an instructor who'd gotten to the "screw it, I'm just coasting through the last three years until I can retire" stage so he pretty much just did a head-count ("Him? Ah, he said he'd be by later, he just had to go do a... thing in that... place, you know? Better just go ahead and mark him here, ya?" - at which point he threw the attendance book at my head and said, "If you know so much why don't you fill this out for the rest of the semester?" Which took me all of 20 minutes :rolleyes3 ), walked into his little soundproof booth, sat down, and spaced for the remaining 55 minutes most days. Word is he was some kind of guitar virtuoso right up until he tupped the wrong man's wife and had both his hands and head stomped on a bit. The hands healed... So we pretty much tried not to be a buzzkill - and he returned the favor.
Since the USD is currently stronger against the Euro (not parity, but...), now might be the time for those growers - and those who'd like to become growers - living in the United States to break open(*) the piggy bank and order some high quality seeds. As this thread suggests, not all inexpensive cannabis seeds are... cheap (if you know what I mean).
(*) You don't actually have to break open those old coin banks - I'd figured out before I got old enough for kindergarten that you could just stick a butter knife into the coin slot, turn the thing on its side, and shake the coins out with help from the thin flat knife. It got to be sort of a game - I'd take all the coins out and my older brother would put them all back in. Turned out he got more enjoyment out of that other game ("Kick the Snot Out of Your Annoying Little Brother"), lol; he only played mine three or four times before he showed me his game, at which point we both decided to find other pursuits....
) and an instructor who'd gotten to the "screw it, I'm just coasting through the last three years until I can retire" stage so he pretty much just did a head-count ("Him? Ah, he said he'd be by later, he just had to go do a... thing in that... place, you know? Better just go ahead and mark him here, ya?" - at which point he threw the attendance book at my head and said, "If you know so much why don't you fill this out for the rest of the semester?" Which took me all of 20 minutes :rolleyes3 ), walked into his little soundproof booth, sat down, and spaced for the remaining 55 minutes most days. Word is he was some kind of guitar virtuoso right up until he tupped the wrong man's wife and had both his hands and head stomped on a bit. The hands healed... So we pretty much tried not to be a buzzkill - and he returned the favor.Since the USD is currently stronger against the Euro (not parity, but...), now might be the time for those growers - and those who'd like to become growers - living in the United States to break open(*) the piggy bank and order some high quality seeds. As this thread suggests, not all inexpensive cannabis seeds are... cheap (if you know what I mean).
(*) You don't actually have to break open those old coin banks - I'd figured out before I got old enough for kindergarten that you could just stick a butter knife into the coin slot, turn the thing on its side, and shake the coins out with help from the thin flat knife. It got to be sort of a game - I'd take all the coins out and my older brother would put them all back in. Turned out he got more enjoyment out of that other game ("Kick the Snot Out of Your Annoying Little Brother"), lol; he only played mine three or four times before he showed me his game, at which point we both decided to find other pursuits....
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I think this comprehensive text will fill some gaps in history of African cannabis.
"Cannabis and Tobacco in Precolonial and Colonial Africa" by Chris S. Duvall
Cannabis and Tobacco in Precolonial and Colonial Africa - Oxford Research Encyclopedia of African History
"Cannabis and Tobacco in Precolonial and Colonial Africa" by Chris S. Duvall
Cannabis and Tobacco in Precolonial and Colonial Africa - Oxford Research Encyclopedia of African History
A brief update on my Durban Poison and Lebanese land race grows this year. I posted more details over on my 70s land race seed thread if you care to look.
Durbans: both girls are already blooming or starting to bloom. One male is also blooming. Talk about early. I thought that they were autos, but reading up on the strain, apparently insanely wide and variable flowering is NORMAL with land race Durbans. So I relegated the land race girls to pots in the garden and I replaced them with the WC strain worked by Ed Rosenthal and Mel Franks. The worked Durbans are growing nice and NORMAL. I am debating on whether to cross these land races or not. I do not have the room or the time to work weird land races like these, and I doubt that I could come up with anything better than Ed/Mel have.
A for the high from these Durbans: they have a classic delayed high of Durban, and an uplifting speedy and long high to them. Though to me, someone with ADHD, it actually slows things down. Just like Rx meds do for ADD. They are the real deal (in the high), but it is also too bad that they are the real deal. As in really unstable. Well, that is growing land races for you, though I have never had this oddball effect growing any western hemisphere land races. Well, except for some Colombians that take FOREVER to bloom and finish. The opposite flowering of these really really early Durban girls.
Durbans: both girls are already blooming or starting to bloom. One male is also blooming. Talk about early. I thought that they were autos, but reading up on the strain, apparently insanely wide and variable flowering is NORMAL with land race Durbans. So I relegated the land race girls to pots in the garden and I replaced them with the WC strain worked by Ed Rosenthal and Mel Franks. The worked Durbans are growing nice and NORMAL. I am debating on whether to cross these land races or not. I do not have the room or the time to work weird land races like these, and I doubt that I could come up with anything better than Ed/Mel have.
A for the high from these Durbans: they have a classic delayed high of Durban, and an uplifting speedy and long high to them. Though to me, someone with ADHD, it actually slows things down. Just like Rx meds do for ADD. They are the real deal (in the high), but it is also too bad that they are the real deal. As in really unstable. Well, that is growing land races for you, though I have never had this oddball effect growing any western hemisphere land races. Well, except for some Colombians that take FOREVER to bloom and finish. The opposite flowering of these really really early Durban girls.
Lebbies: They stopped flowering after a week. I think it was from light shock moving them from indoors 24/7 to ambient greenhouse light. I got an insane ratio of girls to boys: 4:1. These Lebbies are from 2 sources in Europe. They both show two phenos: one tall and skinny like a sativa stature with smaller leaves, and one fat and short pheno with long and huge leaves. I will be cloning both phenos and crossing one tall male with the tall and short females. Should be interesting.
Testing these land race Lebanese strains: they are similar, and downright psycho weed. They also taste like red Leb hash. The real deal.
Testing these land race Lebanese strains: they are similar, and downright psycho weed. They also taste like red Leb hash. The real deal.
It is interesting that the African strains that would later become land races were introduced there at about the same time as land races in Central and South America, circa 1500 and later. Though it was spread in Africa originally by the Portuguese rather than the Spanish. This date would coincide with the fact that the Pope split the non-Europe world between Spain and Portugal in The Treaty of Tordesillas in 1494. The world was theirs to plunder, and plunder they did in their respective realms.
Also interesting is that the Africans came up with smoking weed, whereas in Asia it was taken orally. The Asian consumption was the same as how it was consumed in Central America before the late 19th century. Particularly in New Spain (what would later become Mexico, the SW US and northern Central America). That being that indios in Mexico steeped the dried tops of Marihuana as a tea. For this reason the land races in Mexico have distinct string flavors and terpenes that come out best in teas, like the really minty strains in Oaxaca. I have one Oaxaca strain that is SO minty that I cannot smoke it. Its like menthol in cigarettes; it is overwhelming. But steeped into a tea, it is fine.
Interesting also the fact that cannabis consumption was a local thing in Africa, as it was in the western hemisphere. It was an underground and local thing culturally, and went mostly unobserved in Mexico and Chile for centuries. And as in Africa, prohibition of Cannabis in Mexico (in 1925) was resisted by the indigenous populations.
Interesting aspect about dagga being smoked at an appetite suppressant in South Africa early on. This would mean that Durban Poison as it were, is a much older land race than what I have read it to be.
Also interesting is that the Africans came up with smoking weed, whereas in Asia it was taken orally. The Asian consumption was the same as how it was consumed in Central America before the late 19th century. Particularly in New Spain (what would later become Mexico, the SW US and northern Central America). That being that indios in Mexico steeped the dried tops of Marihuana as a tea. For this reason the land races in Mexico have distinct string flavors and terpenes that come out best in teas, like the really minty strains in Oaxaca. I have one Oaxaca strain that is SO minty that I cannot smoke it. Its like menthol in cigarettes; it is overwhelming. But steeped into a tea, it is fine.
Interesting also the fact that cannabis consumption was a local thing in Africa, as it was in the western hemisphere. It was an underground and local thing culturally, and went mostly unobserved in Mexico and Chile for centuries. And as in Africa, prohibition of Cannabis in Mexico (in 1925) was resisted by the indigenous populations.
Interesting aspect about dagga being smoked at an appetite suppressant in South Africa early on. This would mean that Durban Poison as it were, is a much older land race than what I have read it to be.
Anton, Drum roll please: Medical Cannabis has been signed into law in Mexico as of just a few hours ago! So after 90+ years of prohibition, it is quasi legal there again now. It should be, as Mexican land race marihuana is a global genetic treasure.