KingJohnC's Lush Lighting LED Dominator 2x Soil Indoor Grow Journal & Review

re: KingJohnC's Lush Lighting LED Dominator 2x Soil Indoor Grow Journal & Review

Crawdaddy, your the one that doesn't get it. We are all very clear on your stance, you've bagged lush at least one post per page, might average out to two. This is somebody's journal. Is it so necessary to keep with this? Why do you keep posting here, only to bag lush? Why do you feel anybody needs this "education"?. Nothing wrong with questioning things, putting up your thoughts, but then move on. What can't you "educate" in your own journals, no traffic? Wonder why? Please don't answer just move away, you've told us your point, that's it. Stop drilling your crap into kjc journal.
And yes some of us do have bigger issues to deal with, hence why we are on a medical mj site. Positive energy helps, everybody's entitilled to an opinion and to share that, whether it follows or goes against the grain, but then that's it. Are you a religious preacher? You know the truth and must save everyone? It's ridiculous.
 
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Buckshot said:
I have an observation and a question. I looked at the images supplied by John and formed an instant opinion of the grow thus far and just before I typed it I started reading. I found " a lively discussion" :cheesygrinsmiley: so I held off writing. After some thought and re-observation here is my observation and question...


My observation is that John has had "beefier" plants in the past compared to these. :yikes:

Before the fighters start fighting... I do not believe I have seen John grow these strains, this could be expected... so

My question to John is not scientific or based on measurements. Short answer is better, "What is your general sense of this panel? Are these plants behaving as you would expect? better? worse?"
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I am very pleased with the Lush Lighting Dominator 2x LED panel, the pistil development and calyx swelling are at par with what I would normally see when flowered under High Pressure Sodium. The AK47x Alaskan Thunder calyxes are already swelling at day 31 of flower.
 
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KingJohnC said:
I am very pleased with the Lush Lighting Dominator 2x LED panel, the pistil development and calyx swelling are at par with what I would normally see when flowered under High Pressure Sodium. The AK47x Alaskan Thunder calyxes are already swelling at day 31 of flower.
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That is enough for me :cheesygrinsmiley: For you to feel that an LED panel is on par with previous HPS experience says a lot...

Rock On
:allgood:
John
 
re: KingJohnC's Lush Lighting LED Dominator 2x Soil Indoor Grow Journal & Review

Hi KingJohnC :ciao:

Very nice set-up sir. (As always :))
Your plants are looking delicious and this grow and others here have me taking LED's in general a lot more serious. :geek:

This debate sounds like something perfect for a New Thread. :confused:
Both sides have valid points, but it seems an uncomfortable place for animosity.

p.s. You are all smarter than me so just smoke a bowl and be happy about it. :)
:peace:
 
re: KingJohnC's Lush Lighting LED Dominator 2x Soil Indoor Grow Journal & Review

Hi KJC, please don't take this as a bash on Lush or anything like that - I think that LED in general, even the lower priced units, are at a premium. So when I see you say
I am very pleased with the Lush Lighting Dominator 2x LED panel, the pistil development and calyx swelling are at par with what I would normally see when flowered under High Pressure Sodium. The AK47x Alaskan Thunder calyxes are already swelling at day 31 of flower.
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and I return to a previous comment I made a long time back about an ~5 year ROI at the list prices I've found with a relatively short warranty why would I not just stay with the HPS? Granted, I now have an LED too but only because I inherited it from a friend :) :peace: Of course, as many have already stated, the jury is still out until the end of at least one grow. My .02 cents.
 
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I can think of several advantages LED lights have over High Pressure Sodium lights

1) generate less heat and do not require the same cooling to maintain ideal grow room temperatures.

2) generate less heat and can be a solution to high summer temperatures in many parts of the country.

3) I do not believe that with the energy savings factored in that it will take you a 5 year period to see a return on your investment.

4 I have read multiple times that LED lights can increase the potency of cannabis on account of the fuller spectrum that LED's can offer over High Pressure Sodium lights.

5 with the energy savings alone over your grows the equipment can pay for itself.
 
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Flower Day 33

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Spimp said:
Hi KingJohnC :ciao:

Very nice set-up sir. (As always :))
Your plants are looking delicious and this grow and others here have me taking LED's in general a lot more serious. :geek:

This debate sounds like something perfect for a New Thread. :confused:
Both sides have valid points, but it seems an uncomfortable place for animosity.

p.s. You are all smarter than me so just smoke a bowl and be happy about it. :)
:peace:
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Hello Spimp. Like Dennise, we never met formally. I've not been here that long, but it is a great place. I look forward to getting to know you more. Growing medication with you guys has been a high point in my life this year.
 
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gardenfaerie said:
Hello Spimp. Like Dennise, we never met formally. I've not been here that long, but it is a great place. I look forward to getting to know you more. Growing medication with you guys has been a high point in my life this year.
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Hi gardenfaerie :ciao:
Pleasure to meet you. Ive already read/heard some good things about you.
This place and these people bring alot of joy through friendship, kindship, knowledge and expertise.

KingjohnC- Have you taken any measurements of temperature at various distances to compare vs HPS?
I hope im not asking something that you have posted several times before. :) Thanks.
 
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Spimp said:
KingjohnC- Have you taken any measurements of temperature at various distances to compare vs HPS?
I hope im not asking something that you have posted several times before. :) Thanks.
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Good question Spimp...I am interested in some temp numbers as well
 
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I had not factored in the energy savings for cooling which definitely changes the equation, good point. And, I have to admit that it appears that the portion of my plants that get the most of the LED do appear to be frostier than the rest. That brings up another thought to me, what about in colder climates? Maybe a hybrid HPS/LED approach would be the best for our non equatorial friends, but for indoors that's probably not as much of a factor.

I don't have a fancy laser, but I can get some temp numbers for a 600W HPS with various distances.
 
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Spimp said:
Hi gardenfaerie :ciao:
Pleasure to meet you. Ive already read/heard some good things about you.
This place and these people bring alot of joy through friendship, kindship, knowledge and expertise.

KingjohnC- Have you taken any measurements of temperature at various distances to compare vs HPS?
I hope im not asking something that you have posted several times before. :) Thanks.
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The only place in the grow room that is warmer is for several inches directly under the Lush Lighting Dominator 2x, the plants are not close enough to the LED light to feel any heat.
 
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Great looking day 31 update KingJohn. Caught back up after missing clearly a few pages, and i really like your points about the cost efficiency of the LED's. I would really like to see a side by side comparison to your HPS setup to the LED setup (If you fancied such a comparison and if you ever found some spare time to do so) just to solidify any people sitting on the fence about the quality of these LED's.

My new room will be lit with HPS, but i'm seriously considering switching to LED's once i move and rebuild the grow room. The reduced cost of use compared to having a 1000w HPS running will save me in the long run and like you said pay for itself over the course of its lifespan.. and then some
 
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Weighing in on the LED discussion; I think the jury will be way out until these things start to fail and put out less lumens...if that's what they emit. If a fixture is wonderful, but only lasts 5 years, is it really efficient? For so many years people grew pot under full spectrum fluorescent tubes with amazing results.

I don't know...I'm still thinking about this. Not the particular Lush lamp, but in this technology in general. For now.
 
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gardenfaerie said:
Weighing in on the LED discussion; I think the jury will be way out until these things start to fail and put out less lumens...if that's what they emit. If a fixture is wonderful, but only lasts 5 years, is it really efficient? For so many years people grew pot under full spectrum fluorescent tubes with amazing results.

I don't know...I'm still thinking about this. Not the particular Lush lamp, but in this technology in general. For now.
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Here is the thing, you will recoup the cost of the light in lower electric bills(also less power for air exchange/AC) within a a year or two (maybe longer for the Lush and other more $$$ lights). If you look at the decrease in lumens over time(can find on diode manufacturer websites) it is a MUCH slower decrease then HID lighting. Plus with HID lighting going to have to buy new bulbs at least once a year, but you do get lumens back with new bulb.

If you do the analysis and include all those variables you will see that over the course of time LEDs are MUCH more cost effective, even at a price point these LUSH are at although as mentioned takes longer. Just like LED light bulbs compared to CFL or incandescent, you pay more up front but over time you win. and if you live in area with high electric rates, you will recoup your costs much faster.

Another factor that many do not think of is how much you care about protecting our environment and climate change(yes human influenced climate change is a fact to all you deniers out there). You are contributing MUCH less to the problem if using LED. for me this is reason enough, having an education in Astronomy(focus on planetary evolution) I know how important it is to combat climate change.
 
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Crawdaddy said:
Here is the thing, you will recoup the cost of the light in lower electric bills(also less power for air exchange/AC) within a a year or two (maybe longer for the Lush and other more $$$ lights). If you look at the decrease in lumens over time(can find on diode manufacturer websites) it is a MUCH slower decrease then HID lighting. Plus with HID lighting going to have to buy new bulbs at least once a year, but you do get lumens back with new bulb.

If you do the analysis and include all those variables you will see that over the course of time LEDs are MUCH more cost effective, even at a price point these LUSH are at although as mentioned takes longer. Just like LED light bulbs compared to CFL or incandescent, you pay more up front but over time you win. and if you live in area with high electric rates, you will recoup your costs much faster.

Another factor that many do not think of is how much you care about protecting our environment and climate change(yes human influenced climate change is a fact to all you deniers out there). You are contributing MUCH less to the problem if using LED. for me this is reason enough, having an education in Astronomy(focus on planetary evolution) I know how important it is to combat climate change.
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LED diodes only lose 10% to the end of their 5 year cycle whilst HID will lose that after 3 or 4 months. Another factor is your air exchange, less heat, less fans lower bills
 
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I'm also having to factor in how long it takes from seed/clone to harvest. Time is not factored into any equation, but probably because there are so many variables. Maybe this is why, although important, time is not factored in. For home growers and personal use, it is one thing. Growing operations who have strict guidelines in the MMJ sector are much different. If they can get one additional harvest it means a ton of profit.

For me, I'll watch the factors which will effect me and that would be spectrum, area, heat (summer is 8 months here) and potency. I'm starting to get a tiny bit paranoid about growing outside. Every time I see anyone in my development who doesn't belong I question it in my mind. Of course, it's the gas reader, or something like that. I just don't like the looking over the fence possibility. This weekend is going to be dedicated to making sure there is no angle anyone can see the plants.

Sorry to go on and on in your journal John...
 
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For those asking about HPS temps: here's what I have so far from a 600W cooltube with an HPS bulb, high of 84 at 41 inches away from center of bulb and a high of 90 at 8 inches away. I'm measuring from 16 inches away today - let me know if you'd like to see any other specific distances.
 
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