KingJohnC's Lush Lighting LED Dominator 2x Soil Indoor Grow Journal & Review

re: KingJohnC's Lush Lighting LED Dominator 2x Soil Indoor Grow Journal & Review

Just to clarify things. The official name of the Lush Lighting LED panel is "Dominator 2x", the actual draw is 435 watts.
 
re: KingJohnC's Lush Lighting LED Dominator 2x Soil Indoor Grow Journal & Review

The strain is also a VERY large variable, the other grows I have seen with Wild Thai the genetics did not impress me.
 
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re: KingJohnC's Lush Lighting LED Dominator 2x Soil Indoor Grow Journal & Review

High There KJC, I think those pics show the most bud Ive ever seen ya showing! Must be doing something right.
I'd love to swap out one of those lush lamps with one of my 1000 watt HPS lamps Im using and show the difference.
I've been in touch with Lushs owner about a partial sponsorship, who knows maybe well see a side by side 4' by 4' tray run with the same plants in each.
Again way to go!
 
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I will give Lush credit for one thing, they do make a good case for LED vs HPS. But i do not need to be convinced on that one :)
 
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Flower Day 32

I measured the distance from the Lush Lighting Dominator 2x to the tops of the smaller plants

Hindu Kush #2 29"
AK48x Alaskan Thunder 26"
 
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This grow is not finished yet, so how is it possible to make a truly fair assessment of the Lush Dominator 2x performance? I'll reserve my very limited knowledge opinion till the plants are finished in KJC's current grow.

Maybe I can also add my "opinion" to yours, Crawdaddy. It's not about the Lush 2X, but it is more about the profit margins we are seeing in retail in America. The other day the shopping network QVC has on Chaz Dean selling a gallon ONE GALLON of shampoo called, WEN. I use this shampoo and love it more than anything else I've every used. That said, this gallon is $177.00. So, on Chaz Dean's FB page I asked him if he thought it may be time to start to give back to his customers, that his profit margin was ridiculous and nobody should have to pay 177 dollars for shampoo. He got all up in my face saying he gives to charity all the time, and that I should do my research to find out how much it costs to bring in gallons of his golden shampoo product, etc. WTF? Where do I do this research on their cost basis?

My point is, people are more greedy than I ever remember them being and profit margins are not at 100%, they are usually set at 400% and the consumer pays that and there is less money being put into the economy when this happens. In America we call this the 99% with 1% of people who can pay whatever is charged, leaving the rest in the dust. One of our main collapses in America is this profit basis for the big corporations. I think it is fine to make money, a profit, a nice big profit, but there does reach a point at which I also think the prices should reflect that profit with a reduction in price over time...and that, does not happen any more.

Not saying this is what Lush is doing, but I do understand the frustration of being overcharged so someone can make much bigger profit even if the product is superior. That is not a license to gauge people with high end pricing. I find the price gauging going on in the cannabis growing industry to be vulgar. The marketing is obnoxious. I've been using fertilizer for decades, oh, about 4 solid decades and no cartoon or painting or label can make a fertilizer perform more than any other unless you are comparing certified organic to petro chemical fertilizers, then you have a big difference. That annoys me as much as false claims because for the most part, they ARE false claims. Plants do no read labels and can't see the fancy labels and cartoons they try to attract growers with. But I'll definitely reserve my opinion of this grow until it is harvested and we can compare the weight and strength.

Rant off.
:)
 
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Well I use Wen and have for years and I, as the consumer choose to pay the price and am happy with the product. It is called free enterprise and this great country was built on it. A man can have a dream and at least used to be able to go after that dream. As far as dogging King :adore: on this light I cannot be quiet any longer. King is never off the charts with anyone on any journal so I think the very least we can do as a growing community is to let him finish the grow before we rip apart the results if for no other reason out of respect for King :adore: and for the learning experience it can provide. King I for one am very interested in what the end results will be. I doubt I will ever be able to afford such a monster light but if it makes your grows better you can bet I will be saving my pennies and I anxiously await your final review.....:circle-of-love:
 
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I have an observation and a question. I looked at the images supplied by John and formed an instant opinion of the grow thus far and just before I typed it I started reading. I found " a lively discussion" :cheesygrinsmiley: so I held off writing. After some thought and re-observation here is my observation and question...


My observation is that John has had "beefier" plants in the past compared to these. :yikes:

Before the fighters start fighting... I do not believe I have seen John grow these strains, this could be expected... so

My question to John is not scientific or based on measurements. Short answer is better, "What is your general sense of this panel? Are these plants behaving as you would expect? better? worse?"
 
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Are people keeping in mind that John is not manipulating these plants? No training or LST what so ever, far as I know. The idea was to grow seeds of strains and let them perform how they perform naturally. If any other training was applied, I am unaware of it. I think the sacrifice of growing an ordinary group of plants must be like torture to someone who uses training methods to increase yield.

What do you say, John, is it hard to sit by and just water, fertilize and clean up?
 
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I have thought the same Garden.... Apparently peeps are not reading the whole journal and did not read where King wrote he was not going to manipulate these plants but going to let them grow like most members do so the lights could be judged on their merit not the King's growing ability. Again not trying to speak for ya King just got my feathers ruffled again... Sorry.......:circle-of-love:
 
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Here is the thing guys and gals...

1. I have never 'dogged' KJC, I have always said he is doing a good job.

2. Growing under just one panel is not a good test for if these panels are any good compared to other LEDs, and therefore you will not be able to tell, even if KJC grows the best buds EVER in this 'test', if he would have had similar/better/worse results if used a different panel. In fact KJC would tell you this is his first LED grow so nothing to compare too, beyond HPS vs LED, and as I said LUSH makes great case for that.

Those are FACTS not opinions.

and my opinion is the Lush is attempting to 'soak' the growing community. once again IMO, you can tell by two things....

1. if you analyze the cost of the components(assuming they actually use Cree diodes, if i had gobs of money I would buy one to take apart just to see)
2. by the 'crazy' claims they make, their marketing ploys seems to be much like those you would see from Multi-Level marketing type of scams, where they have to make it seem like the products are selling are worth a high cost so they can soak the 'distributors' they recruit.

But, like the shampoo analogy, people are perfectly free to buy a product that is >3 times the cost of other similar products out there if they feel like they are getting a better product and are willing to pay the premium. Me personally I buy Suave cause it really the same thing for a WAY lower cost.
 
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Sir you are wrong... I started in the hair business with Nexxus back in the 70's then got my cosmetology license shortly there after and if there is one thing on this earth I know for certain Suave is NOT the same as Wen or for that matter any other professional hair care product. I can't argue cree and all that other nonsense and ugliness you spout but I do know what you just typed is nonsense. I am going to stop here out of respect for King but this is absurd. If you don't like this journal don't come here. If you don't agree with what King is doing... don't come here. We all now know how you feel about this light so move on to the next one please and let the rest of us find out from the guy that is using the light and is known for his growing skills.
I'm sorry King... no disrespect intended......:circle-of-love:
 
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I hate to have to keep saying this, as it seems some can not get the distinction, I have not directed ONE disparaging comment at KJC. I am just happy he got this light for free and did not have to shell out ~$1300 for it. If one does not agree with my assessment of the cost vs. performance of the LUSH light that is fine, but please stop saying I am 'bagging' KJC, as I am not.

I am sorry if my blunt assessments are not the norm on this site.
 
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What I do not understand is why you cannot understand the free market. If I spend $1,000 dollars doing research to come up with a formula that makes a product better, should I not be allowed to recoup my investment by charging more for my improved product?, and keep my research a secret so others cannot copy it for free? That is what Lush is claiming, and you refuse to believe they have done the research because they will not disclose their research to you. Because you cannot believe Lush has done the research and you are not willing to wait for the final results you end up with the conclusion(not opinion) they are trying to SOAK us out of our money.


Quoted from Crawdaddy
"Normally I would keep my opinion quiet, but I truly believe Lush is trying to 'soak' the average marijuana grower with these crazy claims and high prices. "

(you believe they are trying to soak us, it is no longer an opinion)


I also do not believe you are bagging on KJC, just on Lush lighting.

It is not your "blunt assessments are not the norm" I have issue with, I have a problem with your premature belief that Lush is ripping us off without the completion of the journal and all the evidence being in.

If KJC gets 10% more yield or 2% higher THC then it would stand to reason that Lush has done some research and can justify the extra cost of their fixtures IMO. And if you apply 10% to a large scale operation with lower electrical costs and long life product, factor in the cost to income benefits, hands down I would buy Lush products.



Just a quick word on opinions if everyone does not mind(If you do mind, STOP READING NOW).

When I ask the opinions of others, their opinions carry weight on my decision of what to do(especially when I lack the knowledge on a particular subject), weather it is to buy something or take a course of action. The opinion from a particular person carries weight with me depending on that persons knowledge. If a persons opinion is unreasonable or hasty in the past, their present opinion carries much less weight in my decision making process. And with enough unreasonable, hasty opinions eventually that persons opinion will carry no weight in my decision making process at all.
 
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wow ok well my tiny 2 cents here, in lookin at the pics 31 days in flower i think they look excellent and like they are going to produce some real nice finished bud, they look very frosty already, and with a month give or take a couple weeks to go (theres a long time to swell), as far as lush i have seen other led lights just as expensive that dont seem to work as good (in my limited view) im open to seeing the end result its impossible to have a fair judgment till you have at the bare minimum finished 1 grow, i have finished 5-6 grows with 3 different led brands and i dont think i have seen the best any of them can do yet,:hmmmm: there are so many variables with growing a live plant ,clones can grow different in the same room with all factors equal, craw buddy you know i like you,:high-five: but its been a couple weeks since i was in kjc's house and no offence but you were sayin the same stuff then:thedoubletake: your kinda coming off like you have a serious bone to pick with lush, but im not aware of why, did they sell you a bad light? or some other reason im not aware of:reading420magazine:, is it just price? there are alot of overpriced things my protest is i refuse to buy things that i feel are beyond acceptable, but with lush i do think they have found a forumla thats producing really well,:yahoo: i would love to test one even if they wanted it back after i tested, im not gonna be mad at them for a price tag im gonna wait watch and educate myself:reading420magazine: and when and if i discover a vendor is "bogus" for sure then i will call them out,:;): but not on suspicion even if im relatively sure, because if im wrong its only me that looks bad,:thedoubletake: i know you mean well, but this Inquisition witch hunt is making you look bad:hmmm: and i know your not trying to make haters , but ppl will just tune you out and when you have gotten your proof (if your right) no one will be interested , (ppl just take a broken record off the turntable):sorry:
i hope you or anyone for that matter is not offended by my opinion, i just think your point is taken,i doubt anyone is going to pop 1300 out without doing some long hard thinking and research,:idea: your doing the most good in your "VS" journal,:adore: and kjc may feel like your hounding him/lush/his journal and really we are all here for similar reasons,:circle-of-love: to learn,to be entertained,to share what we KNOW,the millions of great pics, friendship,etc etc we can all get torn down and emotionally "kicked in the nuts" (or ovaries for the ladies):helpsmilie: easily in the real world , so be kind rewind,,uh wait wrong subject! GROUP HUG!! :cheesygrinsmiley:
 
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@LE: I am trying to educate the consumer side of the free market so they can make a good decision.

Nothing On Lush's website leads me to believe they did any 'extra' research on the science of photosynthesis at different spectrums. All it looks like to me is the basic knowledge that any college educated/did their own research scientist in the area of biochemistry, botany, and/or physics would already have. And to another person who does not have an education in these areas will look at their website and think they did all this extra research, but i look at their website and realize that it is more or less exactly what I have learned in my studies in the past(BS in Astronomy, more or less same as Physics) or found looking up research papers online.

If they actually did perform that much better one would think they would have on their website direct comparisons of their panel vs others.

That is why Ronnie's side by side comparison, a Lush vs Advanced side by side (two expensive lights), and my side by side TopLED vs Advanced, are so important. BTW all are sponsors. Wish more people would do these, if i had the $$$$ I would do more.

AS i have said before, if their spectrum was so special, get a patent.

Side Note: just noticed that they are no longer claiming to use Cree diodes on their website.

Side Note #2: When I first started my research on LED panels a year ago, I was all gung ho about paying a premium for USA made lights, but as I looked into it more, almost NO ONE makes their lights in the USA, a sad state of affairs. The few that I think do, are not sponsors.

@BID,I considered by a Lush light long ago, about a year, and my assessment of Lush became that they use fancy marketing 'tricks' to try and justify a high price point for something that is basically exactly the same as something else 1/3 the price. To me this is despicable activity. To top it off they are built in China, and they are still charging this high price point. I think if any grower has done the same cost analysis of the probable cost of what they making these panels for they would be just as perturbed as I am.

And no offense taken whatsoever, if people get 'butt hurt' over a posting on the internet they have bigger issues to worry about:) Personally I see this as an exchange of ideas/opinions/facts, not anything personal.
 
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