KingJohnC's Lush Lighting LED Dominator 2x Soil Indoor Grow Journal & Review

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Did you clone the thunderfuck from a bud? How long do they take to grow roots? Good to see what's happening! :)
 
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All of the plants in the room are clones. The small AK47xAlaskan Thunder and the small Hindu Kush #2 are clones taken from flowering plants as I wanted to see how the plants would re vegetate under a LED light panel. I have a AK48 #3 plant flowering under a High Pressure Sodium lamp that has produced a very large cola and wish to see if the AK48 #3 plants will also produce large colas under the LED light panel.
 
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GrizzWald said:
Did you clone the thunderfuck from a bud? How long do they take to grow roots? Good to see what's happening! :)
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The AK47xAlaskan Thunder were cloned from a plant in flowering, the cuttings took approximately 2 weeks to grow roots in my aeroponic fog cloner and were left for 1 more week to grow longer roots.
 
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Love the update pictures! They are looking great!! :circle-of-love::cheertwo::high-five:
 
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Any idea how long to switch to flower? Or maybe start some before others? I ask because looks like the larger plants look like ready to flower but the reveg obviously has a long time before ready.
 
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I plan to transplant the larger plants into 3 gallon size pots in 2 weeks, then to start flowering 2 weeks after.
 
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I usually flower in 5 gallon size pots but due to space limitations under the Dominator 2x LED light panel I do not believe I would have enough room for all the taller plants in 5 gallon size pots.
 
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KingJohnC said:
I have a AK48 #3 plant flowering under a High Pressure Sodium lamp that has produced a very large cola and wish to see if the AK48 #3 plants will also produce large colas under the LED light panel.
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Sounds like a sound comparison.
 
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Light Addict said:
Hey all, I wasn't going to wade in here but hell!
Simply put this debate is a little negative for my liking. Trying to reason against a companies prices and policies is all a little premature until the proof of the product is in! :)
Lush must clearly have great confidence in their products, they are a company in the market to make a name/money. If they were selling something they didn't believe worth the high price tag. they would have the worst business plan ever and be in trouble very quickly! :) (who are we to question their business plan lol :))
I myself will be watching with a keen eye, an open mind and my judgment reserved till the end results! ! :)
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Well put!!!:Namaste:
 
re: KingJohnC's Lush Lighting LED Dominator 2x Soil Indoor Grow Journal & Review

All good questions. I'm glad you brought them up. The cost of our lights is priced for retail. When you order online you can save. For example use coupon code: 420Mag before checking out and the cost of the Dominator and Dominator 2x drop from $1399 to $1119. Much better for those looking to score savings!
Very glad you asked why does Dominator 2x have the same specs but twice the light? It's the lens. Imagine a mag flash light. When you tune it it, it gets focused and brighter. The same amount of light is created, but it can be more effective in a tighter beam. It travels further for example. Also more intense. The regular Dominator will release more light horizontally. This is good for tents and rooms with low ceilings. These really are high intensity LED's that perform best when 1'-2' away from plants. The Dominator 2x should be 20"-24" away from top of finished canopy. Go ahead and veg, 3'-4' away.
The 2x lenses themselves are cheap. So is installing them. For this reason we keep the price the same and have it simply as an option. If you need the light to spread out quicker, single lens lights are always recommended.
We understand that plants can grow under just lumens. Look at any HPS lamp, those are 70-95% all lumens. Even 100,000 lumens of strictly green light will grow plants. It fuels chlorophyll indirectly. This is photosystem I. We fuel the entire electron transport chain starting with PAR and photosystem II. This is why Lush LED's work better than anything man has every created before. We engineer our lights here in Michigan. All good questions. Thanks!

Crawdaddy said:
@trichomes, You can get some of that info from their website, but not a lot on specs. Lush seems to hide that more then most other LED makers I have talked to. They will not let you know wavelengths of diodes and ratios, and IMO that is the key.

As for pricing if you look on their website you will see...

Dominator 2x XL (300 X 3w) $2,019 per unit
Dominator 2x (one is this thread, 200 x 3w) -$1,399 per

And here is where I get confused they have a ...

Dominator (200 x 3w) that is also $1,399, but the lumen output they state is LESS THEN HALF of the Dominator 2X, which begs a bunch of questions...

1. how is the lumens more then twice as much on the 2X when it same number of same wattage diodes( and same power draw according to their site)?
2. why is the price the same if the 2X is more then twice the output of the regular one?
3. Anyone who knows the science knows the key is PAR value not just lumen output, I could make all the lumens I want, but if, for example, this was all in green wavelengths, the plants could never use the light.

I really wish a Lush rep could answer these (and other questions), till then I would never consider them as a LED light source, particularly at that price point.

That being said, if they could prove to me that they are that much different and get that much better results then other, less expensive more open manufacturers I would consider them. That begs another question...

Do they manufacture their own lights, if so where is factory?

Call me a skeptic, cause I am.
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@LushLighting, thank you for you answers, that makes sense about difference between the two, same diode, different lens.

For me the question is not is the light better then HPS, IMO there is no doubt a well engineered/made led panel will outperform hps.

To put it quite simple, why does your light, even with the discount, justify a more then 100% premium over a Chinese made light that is even more then 435 actual watts(out of respect will not name specific company) of the Dominator x2 that others are getting outstanding results with?

I know USA made diodes and panels command a premium, but you are still20-25% if not more then comparable USA made lights, what makes your lights that much better? And any side by side compares with any other, as I call, 3rd gen panel, once again out of respect will not name names?

Lastly you say lights engineered in MI, wonder if any u of m engineers being a former u of m student that be a bonus lol, where are lights manufactured?

I would be willing to save the $$$ if could be shown with hard data superiority that commanded that extra $$$$.
 
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Shrike,
You guys are correct. Lush Lighting headquarters is in Michigan. We R&D and engineer our product here. We also warranty and service our product here. But, our assembly plant is in China with components from there and Taiwan. We've worked with several factories since 2010. But, we only taught one the correct way to assemble LED grow lights. Current economic conditions make this necessary.

Back in 2011-2013 some of the diodes we need in grow lights we not ready for market yet. Since we could not properly build a grow light then, we waited till we could to release Lush. We were experiencing color shifting, light degradation and chemical burning from UV photons. We worked with Cree, sending samples back along with analysis of the problems. They were the first to pull the diodes off the shelf and the first to fix the problem so we could move on. These diodes are not in any other industry. These are not in any commercial, residential or industrial buildings. No cell phones, TV's, street lights, not even theater lighting uses these diodes. We are the only ones, and the more grow lights we sell, the more the price will come down.

Shrike said:
Their website says..."Lush Lighting has the best LED grow lights on the market because they are American engineered. Customer service you can rely on is based in Michigan."

Since they don't follow up "American engineered" with "American made" or "American assembled", I guess I would have to conclude that they are made and/or assembled in China.

I could be wrong, though. I've been wrong before and certainly plan on being wrong again. :thumb:
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Thank you for stopping by Lush Lighting! I appreciate your input in the discussion very much!! :thumb:
 
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I'm sorry for the slow reply. We are very busy. Lush Lighting sponsored the Michigan Medical Marijuana Conference in Grand Rapids, the Medical Marijuana Expo in Detroit, then Hash Bash in Ann Arbor, for the last 3 weekends. We have re-invested over $25,000 back into the cannabis community just in the first quarter of 2014. It really is our pleasure to help this community, just please be patient with us. It can be tough to keep up with all the social media venues. Thank you KJC for doing what you do and being you!
Crawdaddy said:
Still waiting on a Lush rep to stop by thread and address concerns, the fact that one has not is a big red flag right there.
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