Keffka's Recycling, KOS Blue Thai, Herbies Seeds Apple Betty, Runtz Punch

Keffka said:
I can see vacuum sealing causing an issue with buds and possible crushing them.
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There are two site sponsors who sell products for vacuum sealing bud in glass jars.
Burp Lids, for mason jars, and BudVac for flip lid jars.
 
Melville Hobbes said:
There are two site sponsors who sell products for vacuum sealing bud in glass jars.
Burp Lids, for mason jars, and BudVac for flip lid jars.
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I didn’t even think of using jars, my mind instantly went to those bags for food and clothes.
 
Keffka said:
It’s likely the only viable method of pushing cannabis past 5 years. Vacuum sealing could help this by removing all the air, or possibly a high CO2 or nitrogen environment. I can see vacuum sealing causing an issue with buds and possible crushing them. CO2 could potentially liquify the buds if there’s moisture. Maybe Nitrogen?



it’s definitely an internal struggle. Like when you’re running low on flower but feel the urge to smoke twice as much as normal 🤣 I know if I pace myself I’ll be much happier in the long run



🤣 blood bones and poop is the secret to sexy plants

Theyre finishing off beautifully. It’s much easier when I know the lineage of the plants. It’s about to get a little more complicated now that I know their diet preferences. I’ll tweak my next mix and bring in additional calcium and potassium, which will lead to even greater yields and quality.

I’m going to start with indica and sativa mixes. I will take the soil and root balls from this grow and tweak the mix to the Blue Thais with extra calcium and extra K. I will pickup a couple more bags of the ocean forest and start a new mix with this grows recipe and use that to dial in sativa diets.

Once that’s finished I will separate half of the indica mix and dedicate it to a specific strain, most likely the Blue Thai if I’m happy with the smoke. I’ll do the same with the sativa mix when I find a strain I like. I will continue to grow out Blue Thais and my chosen sativa until I’ve hit their max potential. I will have additional soil to run new strains while I look for something I like.

I will cover the process of recycling the root balls and soil for use in the next grow, in this journal as well. I will do this after I chop these plants.
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Appreciate the detail. Thanks! So it’s becoming clear to me that if I want to go as far as strain specific soil mixes, I better find a strain I really really like. lol. I’m hoping I do well with the Super Silver Haze, that’s my favorite strain and I’m growing it soon for the first time. If so, that would be one for sure, I’m addicted to that weed when it’s around. That would also perhaps allow me to begin to develop a “sativa base soil mix” I would think. If I could eventually create an awesome SSH soil I would think another sativa it would at least be close? Anyway, wish I had more years left to my life and discovered all this 20 years ago, but it is what it is. This is a long term commitment.
 
Jon said:
That would also perhaps allow me to begin to develop a “sativa base soil mix” I would think. If I could eventually create an awesome SSH soil I would think another sativa it would at least be close
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Yep, I’ll expand.

You’ll hear things like indicas are resource hogs and use more than sativas. This isn’t really true. Indicas flower quicker than sativas. So while both use a similar amount of resources, indicas use them up quicker. With this knowledge you can tweak a soil to provide more front loaded and mid range amendments for indicas. For sativas you can tweak to provide more medium and long range amendments. While the microbe ratios vary from strain to strain you’ll still retain some of those since they’ll be tweaked to those medium and long range amendments. This will enable you to receive quite a few of the benefits from strain specific soils without forcing you to stay with a singular strain. You may see additional benefits by sticking with the same breeder across strains, as their environment will have many similar microbes across their genetics
 
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The Runtz Punch looks like it’s about 1-3 days from finish

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Keffka said:
I didn’t even think of using jars, my mind instantly went to those bags for food and clothes.
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I've vac sealed jars @62% without bovedas for 6 months or so before. Worked fine.
 
Keffka said:
Yep, I’ll expand.

You’ll hear things like indicas are resource hogs and use more than sativas. This isn’t really true. Indicas flower quicker than sativas. So while both use a similar amount of resources, indicas use them up quicker. With this knowledge you can tweak a soil to provide more front loaded and mid range amendments for indicas. For sativas you can tweak to provide more medium and long range amendments. While the microbe ratios vary from strain to strain you’ll still retain some of those since they’ll be tweaked to those medium and long range amendments. This will enable you to receive quite a few of the benefits from strain specific soils without forcing you to stay with a singular strain. You may see additional benefits by sticking with the same breeder across strains, as their environment will have many similar microbes across their genetics
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For what I am about to say, I have no proof but it's where the science was taking me a few years ago when I was growing Indicas to compare with sativas. So it's just my opinion, but I found it made a big difference.

I would build equal soils and see what each indicas and sativas needed to be fed what throughout the grow, and chart the differences to see what each needed more of.

Well what ended up happening was that Indicas would always raise the soil ph to 6.4-6.5, and mostly 6.5, sativas settle at 6.2 like clockwork, and they would both do well in the same soil.

In order for the same soil to sway that much higher in ph, on it's own, the most likely of reasons is that it is more microbially active on the fungal to microbial ratio that is going on in the soil.

Fungii like a lower ph than microbes.

Indicas were telling me they wanted a less fungal dominant soil and sativas were telling me they wanted a more fungal dominant soil.

A higher ph, more microbial dominant environment, will make calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus, more available. Indicas live a shorter life, they need to eat more on a daily basis.

So I started growing both in the same soil but give the Indicas a microbial tea (kelp,molasses, and ewc) every 2 weeks. I start it at week 2.

For sativas I don't add a tea until about week 6, so fungii can get dominant, and unless I need it, thats the only tea a sativa gets.

My inconclusive conclusion is that the same soil works for both, you just use it differently. Promote fungal on sativas, but you still need microbes, and promote microbes on indicas, but you still need fungii.

And that's just an "in general" observation, some strains need special attention to ammendments.

I got tired of growing indicas so the experiment stopped, but if I grow another indica it will get a tea every 2 weeks on the off week of the top dressing.

Not a feed tea, just molasses and microbes and kelp.

The molasses is only enough to keep them alive in the tea.

The kelp because every chance you have to get kelp into the soil, you should take it.

The EWC is more of the same microbes you already have in your pot.

Food for thought if you start to notice the same thing.

Hybrids are all over the map. They don't care, they just grow.
 
I'm in! Thanks! Been waiting for a while!
 
Gee64 said:
For what I am about to say, I have no proof but it's where the science was taking me a few years ago when I was growing Indicas to compare with sativas. So it's just my opinion, but I found it made a big difference.

I would build equal soils and see what each indicas and sativas needed to be fed what throughout the grow, and chart the differences to see what each needed more of.

Well what ended up happening was that Indicas would always raise the soil ph to 6.4-6.5, and mostly 6.5, sativas settle at 6.2 like clockwork, and they would both do well in the same soil.

In order for the same soil to sway that much higher in ph, on it's own, the most likely of reasons is that it is more microbially active on the fungal to microbial ratio that is going on in the soil.

Fungii like a lower ph than microbes.

Indicas were telling me they wanted a less fungal dominant soil and sativas were telling me they wanted a more fungal dominant soil.

A higher ph, more microbial dominant environment, will make calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus, more available. Indicas live a shorter life, they need to eat more on a daily basis.

So I started growing both in the same soil but give the Indicas a microbial tea (kelp,molasses, and ewc) every 2 weeks. I start it at week 2.

For sativas I don't add a tea until about week 6, so fungii can get dominant, and unless I need it, thats the only tea a sativa gets.

My inconclusive conclusion is that the same soil works for both, you just use it differently. Promote fungal on sativas, but you still need microbes, and promote microbes on indicas, but you still need fungii.

And that's just an "in general" observation, some strains need special attention to ammendments.

I got tired of growing indicas so the experiment stopped, but if I grow another indica it will get a tea every 2 weeks on the off week of the top dressing.

Not a feed tea, just molasses and microbes and kelp.

The molasses is only enough to keep them alive in the tea.

The kelp because every chance you have to get kelp into the soil, you should take it.

The EWC is more of the same microbes you already have in your pot.

Food for thought if you start to notice the same thing.

Hybrids are all over the map. They don't care, they just grow.
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Thanks for that! I have to scoop up my brains from the floor and read it some more! I was under the impression it was the ph that made the magic, but it was the plant creating the rise in a sativa! Huh! Cool beans!
 
StoneOtter said:
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Thanks for that! I have to scoop up my brains from the floor and read it some more! I was under the impression it was the ph that made the magic, but it was the plant creating the rise in a sativa! Huh! Cool beans!
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Yeah it seems that way. I didn't fight it, I ran with it, and had good success.
 
Keffka said:
Yep, I’ll expand.

You’ll hear things like indicas are resource hogs and use more than sativas. This isn’t really true. Indicas flower quicker than sativas. So while both use a similar amount of resources, indicas use them up quicker. With this knowledge you can tweak a soil to provide more front loaded and mid range amendments for indicas. For sativas you can tweak to provide more medium and long range amendments. While the microbe ratios vary from strain to strain you’ll still retain some of those since they’ll be tweaked to those medium and long range amendments. This will enable you to receive quite a few of the benefits from strain specific soils without forcing you to stay with a singular strain. You may see additional benefits by sticking with the same breeder across strains, as their environment will have many similar microbes across their genetics
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Brilliant. Thank you.
 
Gee64 said:
For what I am about to say, I have no proof but it's where the science was taking me a few years ago when I was growing Indicas to compare with sativas. So it's just my opinion, but I found it made a big difference.

I would build equal soils and see what each indicas and sativas needed to be fed what throughout the grow, and chart the differences to see what each needed more of.

Well what ended up happening was that Indicas would always raise the soil ph to 6.4-6.5, and mostly 6.5, sativas settle at 6.2 like clockwork, and they would both do well in the same soil.

In order for the same soil to sway that much higher in ph, on it's own, the most likely of reasons is that it is more microbially active on the fungal to microbial ratio that is going on in the soil.

Fungii like a lower ph than microbes.

Indicas were telling me they wanted a less fungal dominant soil and sativas were telling me they wanted a more fungal dominant soil.

A higher ph, more microbial dominant environment, will make calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus, more available. Indicas live a shorter life, they need to eat more on a daily basis.

So I started growing both in the same soil but give the Indicas a microbial tea (kelp,molasses, and ewc) every 2 weeks. I start it at week 2.

For sativas I don't add a tea until about week 6, so fungii can get dominant, and unless I need it, thats the only tea a sativa gets.

My inconclusive conclusion is that the same soil works for both, you just use it differently. Promote fungal on sativas, but you still need microbes, and promote microbes on indicas, but you still need fungii.

And that's just an "in general" observation, some strains need special attention to ammendments.

I got tired of growing indicas so the experiment stopped, but if I grow another indica it will get a tea every 2 weeks on the off week of the top dressing.

Not a feed tea, just molasses and microbes and kelp.

The molasses is only enough to keep them alive in the tea.

The kelp because every chance you have to get kelp into the soil, you should take it.

The EWC is more of the same microbes you already have in your pot.

Food for thought if you start to notice the same thing.

Hybrids are all over the map. They don't care, they just grow.
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This makes sense when using natures lens. Fungi grows better in tropical regions with higher humidity and more moderate temperatures. Thus it would make sense Sativas would prefer fungal domination. Indicas come from arid regions with extreme temperatures that tend to inhibit fungal growth thus leading to a more bacterial dominated environment.
 
Gee64 said:
For what I am about to say, I have no proof but it's where the science was taking me a few years ago when I was growing Indicas to compare with sativas. So it's just my opinion, but I found it made a big difference.

I would build equal soils and see what each indicas and sativas needed to be fed what throughout the grow, and chart the differences to see what each needed more of.

Well what ended up happening was that Indicas would always raise the soil ph to 6.4-6.5, and mostly 6.5, sativas settle at 6.2 like clockwork, and they would both do well in the same soil.

In order for the same soil to sway that much higher in ph, on it's own, the most likely of reasons is that it is more microbially active on the fungal to microbial ratio that is going on in the soil.

Fungii like a lower ph than microbes.

Indicas were telling me they wanted a less fungal dominant soil and sativas were telling me they wanted a more fungal dominant soil.

A higher ph, more microbial dominant environment, will make calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus, more available. Indicas live a shorter life, they need to eat more on a daily basis.

So I started growing both in the same soil but give the Indicas a microbial tea (kelp,molasses, and ewc) every 2 weeks. I start it at week 2.

For sativas I don't add a tea until about week 6, so fungii can get dominant, and unless I need it, thats the only tea a sativa gets.

My inconclusive conclusion is that the same soil works for both, you just use it differently. Promote fungal on sativas, but you still need microbes, and promote microbes on indicas, but you still need fungii.

And that's just an "in general" observation, some strains need special attention to ammendments.

I got tired of growing indicas so the experiment stopped, but if I grow another indica it will get a tea every 2 weeks on the off week of the top dressing.

Not a feed tea, just molasses and microbes and kelp.

The molasses is only enough to keep them alive in the tea.

The kelp because every chance you have to get kelp into the soil, you should take it.

The EWC is more of the same microbes you already have in your pot.

Food for thought if you start to notice the same thing.

Hybrids are all over the map. They don't care, they just grow.
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I went back and reread this because something just didn’t sit right. Using the same soils works in a situation where you’re willing to use teas to shift your balance. I don’t like teas to begin with but that’s personal.

I assume this observation is based on soil you’ve already established and built out for cannabis growth. Of course it would be as simple as using a tea to shift your ratio when your soil is already built for growth. Like we both said, both indica and sativa like an equal amount of resources, just over a different timeline. So if your soil/environment is already built out it would be that simple.

However, I would like to see what the quality and yield were. Were you reaching max genetic potential, or were you just growing great flowers? Is there a standard or way to measure max genetic potential? If not, I think we should talk about one. I like indica and you like sativa so between the two of us we can get a lot more done a lot quicker.
 
Keffka said:
I went back and reread this because something just didn’t sit right. Using the same soils works in a situation where you’re willing to use teas to shift your balance. I don’t like teas to begin with but that’s personal.

I assume this observation is based on soil you’ve already established and built out for cannabis growth. Of course it would be as simple as using a tea to shift your ratio when your soil is already built for growth. Like we both said, both indica and sativa like an equal amount of resources, just over a different timeline. So if your soil/environment is already built out it would be that simple.

However, I would like to see what the quality and yield were. Were you reaching max genetic potential, or were you just growing great flowers? Is there a standard or way to measure max genetic potential? If not, I think we should talk about one. I like indica and you like sativa so between the two of us we can get a lot more done a lot quicker.
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Yes, my ammended soil. The teas aren't nutrient teas, they are microbe teas. The molasses in them is minimal, not like a bud hardener solution. It's just a bit of carbon to get the EWC microbes to multiply in the tea. It won't effect your taste profile. It's just a boost of microbes made from the same EWC already in the soil.

I didn't study it too hard, as I really don't like Indicas, but it's what I noticed.
 
Gee64 said:
Yes, my ammended soil. The teas aren't nutrient teas, they are microbe teas. The molasses in them is minimal, not like a bud hardener solution. It's just a bit of carbon to get the EWC microbes to multiply in the tea. It won't effect your taste profile. It's just a boost of microbes made from the same EWC already in the soil.

I didn't study it too hard, as I really don't like Indicas, but it's what I noticed.
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Teas really shouldn’t be nutrient teas to begin with, you know that. The point of teas is the microbes. The reason specific ingredients are chosen for a tea is to get those microbes for those amendments. That’s why most teas have similar compositions to the soil. It’s also why there’s a difference between fungal and bacteria dominant teas in regard to their ingredients, temperature, and time. I know you know this but I’m saying it for the observers.

I don’t like teas, I’ve covered this at length and given my reasons for it. They’re overvalued and misused constantly. I treat them as exactly what they’re supposed to be, rescue tools. If I’ve got a tea, I fucked up, or I’m restoring a lifeless area.

With that being said, a lot of what we do is balance. In my mind, throwing endless amounts of microbes into a strain specific soil is only worsening the balance. Similar to organic acids (which most teas also call for), utilizing the teas overwhelms the current balance. This is why you can shift your soil from bacterial to fungal and back. A soil that is strain specific will already have the balance I am looking for and will take care of itself without my intervention.

Throwing teas at a balanced soil will only serve to upset that balance the microbes have cultivated. Microbes don’t need us to supply them with more microbes.

Disclaimer: This is an opinion based on my observations and knowledge. It doesn’t apply across the board. Some people have grows specifically built around the use of teas and that works for them. To me teas are an unnecessary workload that can be offset with a balanced soil.
 
+68 and just like that they’re done. The containers are still heavy, the soil is still moist. The majority of the stigmas have turned red/orange/brown and have crinkled in or laid down. The swelling tapered off and the three look ready to go. I trimmed off the fan leaves on the squat pheno. I will leave the fans on the tall pheno and see which I prefer for the Blue Thai drying. Runtz Punch already tossed most of its fans.

I will chop them at the base and hang them as a whole plant for a few days. During that time I will slowly prune away the bigger stuff leaving only a light bud cleanup before jarring. Growing indoors leaves me with significantly less trimming work.

The runt will be left to continue its flower, it looks to me like it has at least another 2 weeks minimum. That’s some strong sativa blood and will be around a 12 week flower

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