Keffka's Recycling, KOS Blue Thai, Herbies Seeds Apple Betty, Runtz Punch

[Keffka]

I grew these, the sativas and indicas, in the same soil. It wasn't strain specific soil. I wanted to see what the differences were so I could adjust towards an indica soil. All it wanted was less fungal dominance, so I added microbes. It worked well enough to notice. But like I said, the experiment stopped there as I didn't need any more indica.

Lol we’re saying the same thing in different ways. Of course the indica just wanted a more bacterial environment, it has the same diet as sativas just on a different timeline. If you’ve already got soil suited for growing cannabis then the only issue you would have is any piggy phenos. Indicas and sativas eat the same, at different rates.

This does make me wonder about myco though. If indicas prefer bacterial dominant do they even want a myco connection? If they do, do you think they’d have a different relationship? For instance I can see sativas running myco full bore and giving them the conductor spot but I can see indicas linking with myco, treating it like an assistant and only providing 15% versus the 30 sativas give. Does that make sense?

There may be more to it, or a better way, I just found it cool that the plant indicated it wanted less fungal dominance, and changed the ph to suit itself.

It's possible that if I didn't tea them that the plant would have eventually raised it's microbial levels on its own.

There’s zero doubt in my mind that the plant could change its environment to suit it. We see it all the time and have seen it specifically in plants. Jungles, prairies, plains, etc. didn’t start that way, they’re part of the cycle.

There’s also little doubt in my mind that if left alone the plant still wouldn’t have had an issue shifting its environment.

However, as we both know, this is extremely resource intensive. Just propping up the system costs the plant 30% of its energy, I can’t imagine if it was shifting its entire medium as well. Due to cannabis being an annual this is a relatively heavy price to pay in both time and resources.

However, from what we know of plants, they think more about the future than we ever do. A plant would willingly sacrifice its life to ensure the area will be better suited to future generations. It would likely expend a great majority of its energy doing this. It also would cause confusion in the uptake during growth. All of this adds up to a pretty heavy toll on your final quality and yield but makes for a perfect environment for newer plants to grow in.

Nature is a force of its own that blows my mind with everything we learn about it. It makes me so sad for the time and knowledge we have lost to arrogant abrahamic religions that treat nature as a resource to be exploited.

 

[Keffka]

Both.
I wouldn't necessarily say I'm sold on the bags, but I would like to try them out. They're touted as taking up less space than jars, which is a plus.
I currently have a lot of jars hanging around, although I do have a dedicated cupboard for them, so it's not that bad really.

I also have a dedicated cupboard but you do have a good point. There’s been multiple instances where I really would’ve preferred a bag or something a little more discreet than a wide mouth mason quart jar. I don’t want to use ziplock bags because I always lose a ton of trichomes that way

 

[Melville Hobbes]

I also have a dedicated cupboard but you do have a good point. There’s been multiple instances where I really would’ve preferred a bag or something a little more discreet than a wide mouth mason quart jar. I don’t want to use ziplock bags because I always lose a ton of trichomes that way

And they're not as airtight, so you lose terpenes and moisture.
I remember being able to tell when someone was holding before they even took the baggie out of their pocket.

 

[Gee64]

Lol we’re saying the same thing in different ways. Of course the indica just wanted a more bacterial environment, it has the same diet as sativas just on a different timeline. If you’ve already got soil suited for growing cannabis then the only issue you would have is any piggy phenos. Indicas and sativas eat the same, at different rates.

This does make me wonder about myco though. If indicas prefer bacterial dominant do they even want a myco connection? If they do, do you think they’d have a different relationship? For instance I can see sativas running myco full bore and giving them the conductor spot but I can see indicas linking with myco, treating it like an assistant and only providing 15% versus the 30 sativas give. Does that make sense?



There’s zero doubt in my mind that the plant could change its environment to suit it. We see it all the time and have seen it specifically in plants. Jungles, prairies, plains, etc. didn’t start that way, they’re part of the cycle.

There’s also little doubt in my mind that if left alone the plant still wouldn’t have had an issue shifting its environment.

However, as we both know, this is extremely resource intensive. Just propping up the system costs the plant 30% of its energy, I can’t imagine if it was shifting its entire medium as well. Due to cannabis being an annual this is a relatively heavy price to pay in both time and resources.

However, from what we know of plants, they think more about the future than we ever do. A plant would willingly sacrifice its life to ensure the area will be better suited to future generations. It would likely expend a great majority of its energy doing this. It also would cause confusion in the uptake during growth. All of this adds up to a pretty heavy toll on your final quality and yield but makes for a perfect environment for newer plants to grow in.

Nature is a force of its own that blows my mind with everything we learn about it. It makes me so sad for the time and knowledge we have lost to arrogant abrahamic religions that treat nature as a resource to be exploited.

It's pretty interesting. There's a lot going on down there.

 

[Keffka]

The runts roots, colas, and trichomes, also Runtz Punch colas bucked for trimming and jarring, still a little too damp to jar

 

[Keffka]

I’ve gotta work on some backgrounds and lighting. I can never seem to get the full color of the buds in images

 

[StoneOtter]

I’ve gotta work on some backgrounds and lighting. I can never seem to get the full color of the buds in images

I say that every time! A camera only gets a small glimpse of their beauty! I see the hard frost in them! Beauties!

 

[Keffka]

I say that every time! A camera only gets a small glimpse of their beauty! I see the hard frost in them! Beauties!

The frost ironically is what makes it so difficult to take the picture. It blurs the images in the wrong light and obscures the colors. We’ll figure it out eventually

 

[StoneOtter]

The frost ironically is what makes it so difficult to take the picture. It blurs the images in the wrong light and obscures the colors. We’ll figure it out eventually

It is! A messed up contrast!

 

[Keffka]

I’ve got no problem with people who don’t want to have kids and are happy about it. I don’t want people raising children if they place more value on their personal freedom and ability to purchase football tickets or Starbucks lattes than the idea of raising humans.

Just think about that.. Do we really want people raising people when they have no interest in it and are more concerned with providing for themselves? Do you really want to pressure people like that into having unwanted kids? You don’t just magically love having kids because they’re forced on you, just look at all of us with absent fathers.

I know it sounds arrogant or like I’m double talking down on these people but I am truly not. The reason we have so many screwed up people to begin with is because a whole lot of people who had no business raising kids were and are raising kids.

If you’re one of these kid less adults or one of these couples that proudly have no kids, you have my support, as a human raising kids, you have my full support to continue your life as you see fit. I have people like this in my life and it horrifies me when others pressure them about kids. Fuck those non existent kids, let adults live their life

 

[SmokingWings]

I highly recommend ATT Fiber if it’s available..

We have ATT but it is over the phone line which was working. The 'so-called' tech guy said he ran all kinds of tests and passed the problem on to whoever. Problem fixed by late afternoon Friday so next call is to get a bill credit.

when was it you determined you should put your plants out to avoid PM? End of May? I think you’re totally on to something with that because my MIL struggled with PM and bud rot every year and this year my FIL only saw a tiny bit of bud rot on one spot, zero PM, but he also put his plants out early June whereas MIL would go early May.

Take your time, I’m still in the planning stages

I do not keep the same sort of records on outside plants like I do indoors. Since I took some photos of one of the plants when transplanting from the approx 1.5 gallon square pot to an approximate 3.5 gallon round pot I have that date.

The basement room was getting overcrowded and most likely I took the two plants outside around the 10th of July give or take several days. The transplanting was on July 28 and flowering became obvious around Aug 12 when I noticed stretch beginning and the changes in the growing tips that they do just before the stigma show. The stigma/pistils showing by the 15th.

There were some small blotches of Mildew on a few leaves that showed up every now and then but easy to get rid of with a Citric Acid spray. Mildew would come back and again just a minor spot and nothing serious enough to frustrate me.

The previous 5 years I would put some plants out in mid to late May or early June. Mildew by early to mid July and about impossible to keep it under control. Very frustrating.

Not that it makes much difference but the plants were clones off of a Wedding Mints seed. That seed is not from a breeder but rather a group of growers that were able to put together the lineage of the official WM. Seeds result of breeding over the previous winter or maybe two winters earlier. Heavy Sativa leaning. The plants grown indoors were relatively Mildew resistant. Indoor plants took at least 10 to 11 weeks flowering from first sign of stigma so I am not planning on doing it again. Most likely I will try another late outdoor plant or two this coming season but will be using Indica dominant clones.

Squash and Cucumber seeds planted in late June or early July produce plants that have very little mildew and a lot less insect damage and still produce a decent amount at harvest. Green beans planted up to late July or even up to the second week of August will produce well with little mildew on the leaves in the fall.

 

[Keffka]

Same Blue Thai bud under different angles and backgrounds looking for best shots

 

[Keffka]

The buds are so dense and heavy this is 1 and 1/4 oz in a wide mouth quart mason jar

Typically I can only fit one oz before the jar is full

 

[Keffka]

Alright so official weights are in and there’s room for improvement. The Blue Thais both produced 4.5 ozs each. That’s a little more than half an ounce for each cola. The Runtz Punch came in at 4 ozs. These are decent weights for 2.5 foot tall plants but it fell short of my goal.

I believe this has nothing to do with the mix. I believe that with a slightly longer veg I could’ve substantially increased the size and weight. If I don’t want to go for the extended veg then I need to increase my DLI much earlier in the grow, probably around week 4 or 5. If I don’t want to increase my DLI and I don’t want to extend veg, then I need to cut down on the training. Either top once, or just let them grow natural. I’ll figure that out for next grow. Regardless I believe the greatest limiting factor this time around was light quantity.

The runt (Apple Betty) is still flowering. She’s got at least 2 weeks left on her, maybe more, we’ll see, she’ll let me know when she’s done. She still has 50/50 white/red stigmas with none crinkled in, the buds haven’t hardened yet, and she’s still drinking heavily. I suspect she will also produce close to 4 ozs for a total of slightly more than a pound total. Not a bad haul but it should’ve been more. Now that I know this mix can run a higher DLI I won’t mind blasting the plants with light.

Everyone hit jars last night. The Runtz Punch is holding a lot of water for a while and is still touching 70 rh. The Blue Thais have settled in right at 63 so just a burp or two should handle those.

I will begin the recycling process this week. I need to double check my amendments to make sure I have everything.

 

[Keffka]

One of these days I’ll learn my lesson. I take suboxone which is a controlled substance. Except I go to the VA so it’s a buprenorphine pill instead of the strips. I keep the bottle in my medicine cabinet and take it while standing at the sink.

I also have a slight tremor and shake a little bit. My wife has warned me that I’m going to drop my medicine down the sink one day and I just ignore it because I’ve always taken all my medicine at the sink for some reason lol. Welp it happened. Went to take it and dropped it down the drain. My appointment is on Friday and this isn’t a medicine you can replace or get extras of. You get what you get and that’s it. So now I get to go through the fun of withdrawal before my appointment. Even better is, I get to go through withdrawal when I’m supposed to have jury duty

To top it all off, I don’t even know where to find it on the street any more I got rid of my phone with all of my street contacts so I wouldn’t be tempted a couple years ago and have been out of the game so long I don’t even know who has what any more. This should be an interesting couple of days coming up

 

[StoneOtter]

Focus

 

[Gee64]

Nice haul! You will get the Indica's figured out. They are definitely a shorter plant. A pound of primo bud will keep you in smoke for awhile.

Sorry to hear about the meds incident. Hang in there, don't get blog-grounded again.

They invented a really cool thing called a drain plug, it catches pills before they roll down the hole.

You SHOULD listen to your wife but, read the instructions on how wives work 1st.

I'm almost finished reading the instructions, I will send the book to you when I'm done.

No need to return it, just pass it on when your done reading it.

 

[Azimuth]

You SHOULD listen to your wife but, read the instructions on how wives work 1st.

I'm almost finished reading the instructions, I will send the book to you when I'm done.

No need to return it, just pass it on when your done reading it.

That's a false flag. There is no such book.

 

[Keffka]

Nice haul! You will get the Indica's figured out. They are definitely a shorter plant. A pound of primo bud will keep you in smoke for awhile.

I figured running a 10 gallon with a manifold would get me close to the 3 gallons untopped in the same time frame and I was close. I could’ve gone further if I was willing to be more aggressive with the light but the hermaphrodites of past scarred me. Now I know with good genetics I can go balls to the wall without worrying about stressing them too hard

Sorry to hear about the meds incident. Hang in there, don't get blog-grounded again.

I’ll be alright.. I’m in much better shape than when I used to go through withdrawal so it’ll just feel like a light flu with muscle and skeletal discomfort. The key to withdrawal is making sure you eat even when you aren’t hungry and doing things or at the very least moving around. Sleep is the hardest part, that’s when your nerve endings want to come to life.

You SHOULD listen to your wife but, read the instructions on how wives work 1st.

I'm almost finished reading the instructions, I will send the book to you when I'm done.

No need to return it, just pass it on when your done reading it.

I hang on to the one time a year I’m right like it’s gonna pan out that way every time

 

[Keffka]

That's a false flag. There is no such book.

Thats because each edition is slightly different and if you try to use an old edition, or borrow someone else’s you’re gonna get wrecked