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Keffka's Recycling, KOS Blue Thai, Herbies Seeds Apple Betty, Runtz Punch
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"Soldiers are not authorized to schedule appointments before 0900," Lt. Col. Andrew Boyd, commander of 4th Squadron, 10th Cavalry Regiment, 4th Infantry Division, said in a memo Tuesday. "This restriction applies to medical, dental, behavioral health, and other types of appointments.
Man, every time I read shit like this I chuckle. This legitimately used to be my life. Other men got to decide where I went, when I went, what I was wearing, what I ate, everything, simply because they had an art degree. If you want to feel like a big violent baby who doesn’t even decide when they get to wipe their ass then join the armed forces! You can see garbage cans all around the world! You’ll get to pickup officers trash in every corner of the globe! Don’t forget to ask permission to use a specific laundry detergent, and may your man made God forgive you for getting a sunburn, because the Army will just punish you.
Man, every time I read shit like this I chuckle. This legitimately used to be my life. Other men got to decide where I went, when I went, what I was wearing, what I ate, everything, simply because they had an art degree. If you want to feel like a big violent baby who doesn’t even decide when they get to wipe their ass then join the armed forces! You can see garbage cans all around the world! You’ll get to pickup officers trash in every corner of the globe! Don’t forget to ask permission to use a specific laundry detergent, and may your man made God forgive you for getting a sunburn, because the Army will just punish you.
Another avenue may be freeze drying. I tasted one cone from a trade show. The guy was selling freeze driers. Other than my reservations about taste difference with this method, I wonder if it's any different for storage? Initial investment is pretty high as well.Here’s a perfect encapsulation of the internet:
I googled “how long can cannabis stay good in mason jars” and got anywhere from 5 years to 12 months
So naturally I dug in further. You can keep it for around 12 months in a jar or similar situation like your bags. It will continue to cure during that time. Around the 12 month mark it starts degrading and losing potency.
To avoid this you can freeze your buds. There’s not a lot of prep that goes into freezing them, just make sure they’ve dried thoroughly and you can toss them in. If you’ve been curing them for a year, moisture shouldn’t be an issue.
It’ll last about 5 years if stored properly. You’ve gotta be careful how you store and move it though because once it freezes, the trichomes come off very easy. After that it’s just a matter of pulling them out carefully and allowing them to thaw.
I'm thinking of smaller pots and plants here.
@EhCndGrower uses a freeze drier. In fact, he's using it right now for his current harvest.
if you leave it jarred and unopened or jarred with a boveda pack the external rh means nothing. again, like a wine cellar, the mid 50's rh will prevent corks and other materials from deteriorating.
if the bud is loose in the open rh at 62% is recommended. rh above the 60% but below 70% is recommended for organic material. it's the same levels cigars are left for long term storage. there is no expiry on cigars stored this way. some have been left for decades.
you can water cure weed which is supposed to be quite stable for a long period.
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I have weed that has been stored in mason jars for 5 years or longer. Every strain is different, but mostly after 3 months its at 90% (all of a sudden very tasty and smokeable) and after 6 months its 95%. (Really tasty and potent).
After 12-18 months it peaks but only a bit better tasting, and peak potency. Then potency starts to drop, buzz gets alot mellower, but tastes, colors, and textures all jump to life.
Most strains turn a bronzy-coppery color, the buds get a hashy texture to them, and the trichomes get really big. I'm not sure what causes that, or if the weed shrinks and the trichs don't, but they stand out more.
After about 2 years it is what it is and doesn't change anymore, so I would venture to say that the weed will cure for 2 years until it's finished.
For most strains I find that 9 months is the sweetest spot.
Thats all with sativas. I'm sure Indicas are similar. I have some 5 year old Purple Haze somewhere. I will dig it out for a picture.
Plants are their usual gorgeousness Keff
Another great run almost in the jar!
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After 12-18 months it peaks but only a bit better tasting, and peak potency. Then potency starts to drop, buzz gets alot mellower, but tastes, colors, and textures all jump to life.
Most strains turn a bronzy-coppery color, the buds get a hashy texture to them, and the trichomes get really big. I'm not sure what causes that, or if the weed shrinks and the trichs don't, but they stand out more.
After about 2 years it is what it is and doesn't change anymore, so I would venture to say that the weed will cure for 2 years until it's finished.
For most strains I find that 9 months is the sweetest spot.
Thats all with sativas. I'm sure Indicas are similar. I have some 5 year old Purple Haze somewhere. I will dig it out for a picture.
Plants are their usual gorgeousness Keff
Another great run almost in the jar!
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the three things that degrade anything are exposure to light, heat, and oxygen. manipulating or controlling those are the keys.
with organic materials you also have to take in a fourth factor - rh, which has to be stabilized above 50%. weed just happens to sit nice at 62%.
with organic materials you also have to take in a fourth factor - rh, which has to be stabilized above 50%. weed just happens to sit nice at 62%.
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Plants are their usual gorgeousness Keff
Another great run almost in the jar
I’ve got a wild hair pheno going. The big gorgeous plant that looks almost identical to Revs images as seen here:
Revs
Mine
I may have grown mine even better than Rev grew his judging by the pics
So I’ve got the same structure. I don’t have the coloring but I swear it seems like Rev edited that image to introduce that coloring however the squatter pheno does have similar coloring so who knows.
Anyway, Rev says 63-67 day flowering time. There’s no way the tall plant is going to finish in the next 2 days. You can still see the white hairs sticking out on it. Plus everyone is still drinking a half gallon every 2-3 days
The squat pheno will be finishing soon. Most of its hairs have laid down and the swelling has only brought a few new white hairs but it has brought vast amounts of trichomes to the point they shine in my images even with the lights on
I’m really trying to push the plants to use the last of their fan leaves. The Runtz Punch has gone through all of its fans except the top 2 layers. The Blue Thais have 4 layers of fans left still but are moving through them quickly.
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@Melville Hobbes @Gee64 check out what I just read:
“although it was considered difficult, AM fungi has been successfully grown in a culture medium. With advancements, microbial materials for agricultural use can be produced”
They’ve managed to grow arbuscular myco, aka endomycorrhizae without its host plant!! That’s a game changer! It’s gonna take refinement but it’s absolutely massive they’ve figured out how to grow it without its host. Only 400 million years after it first came around
“although it was considered difficult, AM fungi has been successfully grown in a culture medium. With advancements, microbial materials for agricultural use can be produced”
They’ve managed to grow arbuscular myco, aka endomycorrhizae without its host plant!! That’s a game changer! It’s gonna take refinement but it’s absolutely massive they’ve figured out how to grow it without its host. Only 400 million years after it first came around
For asymbiotic growth of arbuscular mycorrhizal fungi, feed them fatty acids
Scientists around the world have been working to grow arbuscular mycorrhizal (AM) fungi without their host plants because they can be used as organic fertilizer in agriculture and forestry. AM fungi help plants receive nutrients from the soil through a network that is efficient and far more...
phys.org
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Ok let me reword it lol.. In order for the cannabis to be frozen they say it needs to be dried to at least 50% rh. I assume what they meant was 50% moisture content since you can’t really measure the actual moisture in cannabis with rh. I think it would be written out as 50%mc
That made me uneasy because I was under the belief once you go below 58ish cannabinoids, terpenes, etc begin to degrade. There would be no point to me to store something long term if it was degraded just to get into storage
I was thinking it would be drying it to the point that the rh in the container is stable at 50% or lower rather than stable at 62% like most people curing their bud aim for.
I'm wondering about the moisture content now though. LKABudMan uses a wood moisture meter, and when the stems read 15%(ish) moisture during drying he's found it to be pretty stable at about 60% rh in the jar.
As to the 58% number, I thought that was the percentage at which curing stops due to lack of moisture?
I store my buds at 55% after the cure, and as long as they're away from light and heat they don't seem to degrade in the time they're in the jars.
I usually finish it off within 12-18 months, unless it was a large harvest. I still have Skywalker OG from 2022 outdoors.
But you lose a lot (most?) of the volatiles like terpines and flavonoids with a water cure. Good for smoking in public because of no weed smell, but many of those compounds have medicinal properties that get washed away.
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This has been a slight interest in the back of my mind for a while. I don’t like the guesswork in drying and curing. Grabbing drying buds and snapping stems is a very crude way of checking. Using that crude method and hoping my timing was right for curing, leaves much to be desired. I think I’m likely going to pickup a moisture meter so I can get a data driven idea of what dried enough feels and looks like.
Right that’s what I thought. Part of the benefit of storing in mason jars is they’ll cure while stored. So it sounds like I’m going to need to complete the entire cure before I begin deep storage, which means I’m still gonna need to figure out a way to do that. I like @StoneOtter method with the lined 5 gallon containers.
About how long on average would you say your cures take?
2 or 3 months. I judge it mostly by scent and the high from vaping.
I vape some each week and when it stops changing enough to be noticeable I figure it's done. Although I did find a jar of Bruce Banner at the back of the closet that was from my 2021 outdoor grow.
It had shifted from a strawberry diesel hash flavour to chocolate and orange. It was also a more mellow high, though still nicely potent.
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+66 I really want to just chop them down
I can see the stickiness of the resin building on the Runtz Punch and the buds are almost rock hard, even the leaf tips resisted a light squishing
I can see the stickiness of the resin building on the Runtz Punch and the buds are almost rock hard, even the leaf tips resisted a light squishing
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So there's one more thing I've been considering for long term storage and that's inert gas to replace oxygen in the container. That's only good until you open the container though but I think if it's years your looking at then maybe displacing o2 may be interesting.
there's storage systems that will draw excess air out of the jar and leave it in a bit of a vacuum.
This is always the hardest part for me - the patience at the end when they’re so close. I know you’ll wait but appreciate the “I just want to chop them down.” lol! You got what appears to be amazing density out these plants. Even your runtish one developed very nicely considering. Super impressive buds and colas. I bet you never expected these results from a simple bag of Sohum and water. Lmao!!! Oh yeah, you do something more complicated.Pt 2
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It’s likely the only viable method of pushing cannabis past 5 years. Vacuum sealing could help this by removing all the air, or possibly a high CO2 or nitrogen environment. I can see vacuum sealing causing an issue with buds and possible crushing them. CO2 could potentially liquify the buds if there’s moisture. Maybe Nitrogen?
it’s definitely an internal struggle. Like when you’re running low on flower but feel the urge to smoke twice as much as normal
I know if I pace myself I’ll be much happier in the long runYou got what appears to be amazing density out these plants. Even your runtish one developed very nicely considering. Super impressive buds and colas. I bet you never expected these results from a simple bag of Sohum and water. Lmao!!! Oh yeah, you do something more complicated.
blood bones and poop is the secret to sexy plantsTheyre finishing off beautifully. It’s much easier when I know the lineage of the plants. It’s about to get a little more complicated now that I know their diet preferences. I’ll tweak my next mix and bring in additional calcium and potassium, which will lead to even greater yields and quality.
I’m going to start with indica and sativa mixes. I will take the soil and root balls from this grow and tweak the mix to the Blue Thais with extra calcium and extra K. I will pickup a couple more bags of the ocean forest and start a new mix with this grows recipe and use that to dial in sativa diets.
Once that’s finished I will separate half of the indica mix and dedicate it to a specific strain, most likely the Blue Thai if I’m happy with the smoke. I’ll do the same with the sativa mix when I find a strain I like. I will continue to grow out Blue Thais and my chosen sativa until I’ve hit their max potential. I will have additional soil to run new strains while I look for something I like.
I will cover the process of recycling the root balls and soil for use in the next grow, in this journal as well. I will do this after I chop these plants.