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Gee64 said:
Hey Keff, well everyone for that matter, I need your thoughts on something. I have an old friend who has grown non stop since the early 80's.

He has guided me on more than one occasion but his logic is purely stoner logic and a ton of real life experience. Never even graduated grade 12.

I asked him about why these new LED's were such magnesium pigs and he said "Well thats easy, turn them down a bit, they are over-photosynthesizing" to which I said "Well I kinda figured that but how do you get it all to work at 100?" and he said "Come on dude, think about it for a sec?" To which I said "Oh Ive got more than a second in on this, its driving me nuts" and he said "you need more carbon" to which I said "Well I'm already using atmospheric carbon not soil carbon so adding more coco is pointless" and he said "Gee, you have hit the wall, you need CO2 at that PAR, otherwise the weakest link gets exposed and Magnesium is always the bitch, you know that, thats why you hate it" and I said "that doesn't make sense" and he said ," If you work too hard do you sweat? and I said "Yeah" and he said "If carbon never runs out plants never work hard, if it does they start to sweat, get it now?"

What do you guys think?
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Why wouldn't you want coco in you mix? Isn't that carbon?
 
GainesvilleGreen said:
Why wouldn't you want coco in you mix? Isn't that carbon?
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It is but its carbon for the microbes not the plant. The microbes exhale CO2 because they consume carbon as food and breath in O2. Once your brix go over 12 your plant now sequesters carbon from the air, so at a certain point it needs CO2 supplementation or it becomes the limiting factor. You do need a lot of heat and light to properly use CO2 supplementation or it won't give you any extra, it kinda makes sense.

Keff had a heavy mag def in his 1st grow and a carbon defecit, and he has a really bigass LED.

So if my hippy buddy is right, then if you are feeding properly and you get a mag deficiency, you either need CO2 supplementation or you need to reduce your par.

That actually makes sense as I have heard a few old growers say that if you use too much light you will sweat out your mag, but I didn't really realize the carbon link.

Plants do everything they do to get carbon. Sugar is carbon, and plants run on sugar. I actually knew this but didn't connect the dots.

Could it be that simple? Turn your bigass LED down and the mag def disappears?

Or add CO2 because you have the ability to use it?
 
GainesvilleGreen said:
Nice right up Gee...to dumb it down a little, it sounds to me you need to let your soil dry out more. Regardless, of how much carbon added. Roots can't grow in wet soil, period..that's where mag deficiencies come into play.
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I agree. Wet soil means less O2 and everything needs to be attached to an O2 molecule for the plant to recognize it as edible. Aerobic conditions.

And like my buddy said, Mag is the weakest link, its a bitch.

We need Keff to try his leftover Stoningtons but either turn the light down or spring for a CO2 setup to satisfy our curiosiity😎
 
Keffka said:
I wasn’t thinking and I used one hand to push down the two main axial branches on the bottom left corner plant instead of grabbing each branch individually. Normally this wouldn’t be an issue, however, I did not go high enough when topping the plant above the third node this time. So because I didn’t go high enough on the main stem this left the stem weaker than normal, and it split when I pushed down on the axial branches.
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Exactly why I Supercrop them initially before training them in the direction I want them to go. Changes the directional forces to mostly vertical rather than pulling against each other at the main stem.
 
Gee64 said:
I actually just bought a 1000 watt LED that is advertised as a CO2 light but my arrogance said, pfffft..... I'll get it maxed without CO2.

Maybe not lol.

Damn hippies....

It even came with a magnesium warning in the instructions...

Sometimes I'm a Red Foreman dumbass lol.
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Easy enough to test the theory assuming your light has a dial on it, yes?
 
Azimuth said:
Easy enough to test the theory assuming your light has a dial on it, yes?
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It does, and thats exactly what I was thinking. I added extra mag and calcium so if it still ends up showing a mag deficiency that dial is where I will immediately go.

It would actually be very cool if you could judge light volume by watching for a mag def.

I'm not really interested in running a CO2 supplementation.
 
Gee64 said:
It does, and thats exactly what I was thinking. I added extra mag and calcium so if it still ends up showing a mag deficiency that dial is where I will immediately go.

It would actually be very cool if you could judge light volume by watching for a mag def.

I'm not really interested in running a CO2 supplementation.
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I can tell you your hippy friend was dead to rights with his assessment. Even in this current grow, with all of my amendments and minerals, I still saw Mag happen. I saw it in the beginning, I saw it at 30 days when I tried to bump the light up, and I saw it at 40 days when I actually bumped the light up. There’s more than enough of it and the plants are being fed properly, but it still happens.

Getting to 100% on my light won’t happen under my current conditions. Even when my plants are at their maximum root ball size, they still can’t take much more than 50-75% on my light max. It’s why I run my plants 32 inches from the light so often, even in flower, and why they’re usually 4-6 feet from the light during Veg.

Lights these days are vastly more efficient and the plants use most, if not all of the light being put out.
 
Keffka said:
I can tell you your hippy friend was dead to rights with his assessment. Even in this current grow, with all of my amendments and minerals, I still saw Mag happen. I saw it in the beginning, I saw it at 30 days when I tried to bump the light up, and I saw it at 40 days when I actually bumped the light up. There’s more than enough of it and the plants are being fed properly, but it still happens.

Getting to 100% on my light won’t happen under my current conditions. Even when my plants are at their maximum root ball size, they still can’t take much more than 50-75% on my light max. It’s why I run my plants 32 inches from the light so often, even in flower, and why they’re usually 4-6 feet from the light during Veg.

Lights these days are vastly more efficient and the plants use most, if not all of the light being put out.
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So your compulsive mind is currently figuring a way to get CO2 approval from your wife then? Cuz reading between your lines thats what I'm seeing🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
Gee64 said:
I'm not really interested in running a CO2 supplementation.
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I was going to say "but maybe we can talk Keff into it." But then I saw this:

Gee64 said:
So your compulsive mind is currently figuring a way to get CO2 approval from your wife then? Cuz reading between your lines thats what I'm seeing🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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:laughtwo:
 
Gee64 said:
So your compulsive mind is currently figuring a way to get CO2 approval from your wife then? Cuz reading between your lines thats what I'm seeing🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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I have definitely already assessed the feasibility of it 🤣

Since I am still a renter, passive environments are much more budget and work friendly than trying to seal up a room or make room for a tent. However, when we move into our final home I already have everything sketched out and will be dedicating an entire room solely to growing, which will include CO2 since I may as well if I’m gonna go to the trouble of sealing and venting a room.
 
Azimuth said:
Exactly why I Supercrop them initially before training them in the direction I want them to go. Changes the directional forces to mostly vertical rather than pulling against each other at the main stem.
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The moment it split I instantly thought back to our conversation and muttered “fucking @Azimuth ” to myself 😂
 
The crew enjoying their Saturday and their containers. The Geoflora lets me keep the plants in smaller containers without much wear and tear. It’s a handy thing to have around.

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Gee64 said:
Beautiful color Keff👍😍
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They do have some beautiful, and unique coloring. The Blue Thais have a very vibrant hue, even the darker leaves have a pop to them. Rev has some fascinating phenos.

I don’t do photo editing so all the color is natural.. the only thing I’ll do is crop out sides to put more focus on the plants
 
What's with the mini shovel, some sort of veiled threat to keep them working hard??

:laughtwo:
 
Azimuth said:
What's with the mini shovel, some sort of veiled threat to keep them working hard??

:laughtwo:
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🤣

I keep the clones next to the pruners where all the plants can see I’ll cut them if they mess around 😂

More seriously, I use the mini shovel for transplanting and doing light surface work on the containers. It’s easier to maneuver it when the plants are in/going in to the containers. Plus, that’s the only shovel my kids won’t steal from me then leave out in the elements because it looks like a little kid shovel 😂 for the parents out there, it’s a Melissa and Doug shovel 😂
 
I stole repurposed my kids' beach sand sifter to process perlite and stuff. They don't want it anymore because worm poop has touched it. 🤣
 
I use a lobster claw tool for my pots. It's like a little mini, two pronged rake that I use to scruff the surface mulch up periodically.

I'm convinced these are all actually canna tools sold as something else because of prohibition. :cool:
 
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