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Oooh! Good call! I'll get the clippers out NOW!
The GSL300 Pro-Bloom vs. a no-longer-a-sponsor's 300W behemoth.
Off to the pharmacy for codeine - this headache is a bitch!
- JZ
JZ's Shootout: Part Deux
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The GSL300 Pro-Bloom vs. a no-longer-a-sponsor's 300W behemoth.
Off to the pharmacy for codeine - this headache is a bitch!
- JZHope that headache goes away soon.
How do you like the GS300? As you know I have a 600w pro-bloom. I am thinking about 2 x 300w pro blooms for next tent. But I'm actually not sure they would give enough lengthwise coverage in 4x4 or 5x5 (undecided on tent) for this new style of hi defoliation growing I'm getting into. I need 32" centers or there about and this means the plants are spread way outwards in the tent.
If I had something like 4 x 6 or 4 x 8, I could go with 600's. And honestly I feel like 600 watt units would be better for the deeper penetration I need and a little more length. But damn, buying 2 more of those would hurt! Oh well, none of it matters just yet, since I can't afford anything till next month at the earliest anyways.
One alternative Donnie suggested was possibly going with a regular 300 for veg only since the girls dont need tons of light in veg anyways. Maybe even an older unit he may have laying around like a 2w chip or something if he has one. He's off to China soon to work on the 900w unit. I'd probably love to just go with one of those when they're ready.
Then, my thought was buy a 2nd 600w pro bloom, 5x5 tent, chiller. Use the 5x5 for flower with 2 x 600w and the 4x4 for veg only. And with switching to 4 x single 5 gal buckets in each grow rather than multi plant tubs like I am using now, I can easily just pick up the lids with plant and move them to flower tent. Still a lot of dough to spend. But maybe the most efficient option.
How do you like the GS300? As you know I have a 600w pro-bloom. I am thinking about 2 x 300w pro blooms for next tent. But I'm actually not sure they would give enough lengthwise coverage in 4x4 or 5x5 (undecided on tent) for this new style of hi defoliation growing I'm getting into. I need 32" centers or there about and this means the plants are spread way outwards in the tent.
If I had something like 4 x 6 or 4 x 8, I could go with 600's. And honestly I feel like 600 watt units would be better for the deeper penetration I need and a little more length. But damn, buying 2 more of those would hurt! Oh well, none of it matters just yet, since I can't afford anything till next month at the earliest anyways.
One alternative Donnie suggested was possibly going with a regular 300 for veg only since the girls dont need tons of light in veg anyways. Maybe even an older unit he may have laying around like a 2w chip or something if he has one. He's off to China soon to work on the 900w unit. I'd probably love to just go with one of those when they're ready.
Then, my thought was buy a 2nd 600w pro bloom, 5x5 tent, chiller. Use the 5x5 for flower with 2 x 600w and the 4x4 for veg only. And with switching to 4 x single 5 gal buckets in each grow rather than multi plant tubs like I am using now, I can easily just pick up the lids with plant and move them to flower tent. Still a lot of dough to spend. But maybe the most efficient option.
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I love the 300GSL Pro-Bloom. Donnie suggested that if I'd pass him the competitors light after this grow, he'd replace it with another 300GSL Pro-Bloom, so I could then have a happy pair, with my six little pods, making my happy meds
I'm kinda with SteveHman in that the third off lighting from multiple smaller wattage units is the way to go. If I ever decided to pack my tent with another 2 pod unit (for 8 total), I'd only need one more 300W to pretty much maximize my wattage/ft^2.
In your shoes, I think 2 x 300W's wouldn't cut it, quite, but I think his suggestion of using the plain 300's for veg would be fine - isn't the logistics of this sometimes a pain in the arse?
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I'm kinda with SteveHman in that the third off lighting from multiple smaller wattage units is the way to go. If I ever decided to pack my tent with another 2 pod unit (for 8 total), I'd only need one more 300W to pretty much maximize my wattage/ft^2.
In your shoes, I think 2 x 300W's wouldn't cut it, quite, but I think his suggestion of using the plain 300's for veg would be fine - isn't the logistics of this sometimes a pain in the arse?
- JZIt sure can be a pain in the rear sometimes.
I tend to agree that I dont think 2 300's would be the best choice. If used, I would have to supplement all 4 corners with dual 43w cfl's I'm sure.
The more I think about it, the more I lean towards 4x4 tent for veg with 300w for 4-5 girls, and 2 600w pro blooms for 5x5 tent in bloom phase. I think that's probably ideal.
The next problem that comes up is having to move one tent to the other empty bedroom, which means blacking out a window that occasionally shows lights on in the front of the house, which means of course it never would once blocked. All because I know the breaker cant handle all those lights and two chillers and the other bedroom is on a different circuit breaker.
I tend to agree that I dont think 2 300's would be the best choice. If used, I would have to supplement all 4 corners with dual 43w cfl's I'm sure.
The more I think about it, the more I lean towards 4x4 tent for veg with 300w for 4-5 girls, and 2 600w pro blooms for 5x5 tent in bloom phase. I think that's probably ideal.
The next problem that comes up is having to move one tent to the other empty bedroom, which means blacking out a window that occasionally shows lights on in the front of the house, which means of course it never would once blocked. All because I know the breaker cant handle all those lights and two chillers and the other bedroom is on a different circuit breaker.
Bass, a 4'x4' is a pretty good sized tent to veg only 4-5 plants. You could probably veg those in a 2'x4' and then use a single 600w LED to light the whole tent. It does depend on how big you intend to veg those plants, and it may be pushing it to get five plants in a 2'x4' but four should be easily do-able and would be cheaper to light, cool, & vent (equipment and ongoing electricity costs).
On the other hand, having the extra space with a 4'x4' will let you do a lot more and prevent grow creep from happening again in another 90 days!
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Well, my tent is 3' x 5' (roughly), and two 300's light that bad boy UP. I'd bet I could veg about a dozen plants with no issues at all....
On another note, the guy got all but two limbs whacked - and only one cluster of pollen bombs remain, as soon as a couple pop, I'll just puff across them over to the gal (since she's way taller, only the near/lower buds will seed) then send him off to the dumpster
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On another note, the guy got all but two limbs whacked - and only one cluster of pollen bombs remain, as soon as a couple pop, I'll just puff across them over to the gal (since she's way taller, only the near/lower buds will seed) then send him off to the dumpster
- JZHi JZ,
I'm so glad you're journalling this grow with a male...I'm interested in breeding someday and this info will be truly helpful.
How's the eye?
Just looked outside again...yuk! I hate snow.
I'm so glad you're journalling this grow with a male...I'm interested in breeding someday and this info will be truly helpful.
How's the eye?
Just looked outside again...yuk! I hate snow.
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The eye is getting better, the actual white of my eye got all bloody looking, and the purple crept underneath to my upper cheek (the one on my face, smart asses). Still a persistent headache, but I sort of expected that!
The guy still has about 8 nanners to pop and release pollen, once those are done, I'm gonna chop him down, dump the coir/oc+ and refill for the next go round. As an experiment, I took two cuttings from the Brazil Amazonia (the neglected plant in the center pods setup) and just stuck 'em in the empty pod, right into the coir, no root gel, no nothing. It's the Propa Gator way. After two days, no wilt, they look happy in the moist coir. If they root, then when the autos finish, I'll just take more cuttings and stick 'em in the pots. Next grow? Brazil Amazonia, I'm guessing
Oh, and sqwheels -- I love the snow. I have a Jeep!
O|||||||O <---- Jeep
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The guy still has about 8 nanners to pop and release pollen, once those are done, I'm gonna chop him down, dump the coir/oc+ and refill for the next go round. As an experiment, I took two cuttings from the Brazil Amazonia (the neglected plant in the center pods setup) and just stuck 'em in the empty pod, right into the coir, no root gel, no nothing. It's the Propa Gator way. After two days, no wilt, they look happy in the moist coir. If they root, then when the autos finish, I'll just take more cuttings and stick 'em in the pots. Next grow? Brazil Amazonia, I'm guessing
Oh, and sqwheels -- I love the snow. I have a Jeep!
O|||||||O <---- Jeep
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JZ, I might have over-stated my KISS 'cloning'. My most recent tray is 100%, but I used some liquid KLN (Dyna-Gro) when I stuck them. The earlier tray had only two successes: Shorty and a now working mom who is a good-looking mama. Bushy as I like 'em, un-groomed
Also, I rub the bottom half inch of the cut stem lightly twice with all-purpose Fiskars, but only bruise it, certainly not cut through the green, nor even cut anything away. Gel is probably just as good, but...
I've never driven a Jeep but I've enjoyed many miles of fun, driving a Crown Vic on icy, snowy streets.
They're rearwheel drive, doughnut spinning tanks
Also, I rub the bottom half inch of the cut stem lightly twice with all-purpose Fiskars, but only bruise it, certainly not cut through the green, nor even cut anything away. Gel is probably just as good, but...
I've never driven a Jeep but I've enjoyed many miles of fun, driving a Crown Vic on icy, snowy streets.
They're rearwheel drive, doughnut spinning tanks
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KISS me quick
before I stick
This cutting in the coir...
She'll grow up heathy
She'll make me wealthy
My clone producing whore!
If either snip dies
ain't no thing
the razor awaits the cut
to make a new
fat and sassy
clone producing slut!
The male is done
spreading his joy in
puffs of yellow dust
his life forfeit in hopes
of making seeds to
satisfy his lust!
Hope you enjoy this
little ditty of JZ's nifty grow
coco coir and oc plus
is my way to go!
- JZ
before I stick
This cutting in the coir...
She'll grow up heathy
She'll make me wealthy
My clone producing whore!
If either snip dies
ain't no thing
the razor awaits the cut
to make a new
fat and sassy
clone producing slut!
The male is done
spreading his joy in
puffs of yellow dust
his life forfeit in hopes
of making seeds to
satisfy his lust!
Hope you enjoy this
little ditty of JZ's nifty grow
coco coir and oc plus
is my way to go!
- JZ
KISS me quick
before I stick
This cutting in the coir...
She'll grow up heathy
She'll make me wealthy
My clone producing whore!
If either snip dies
ain't no thing
the razor awaits the cut
to make a new
fat and sassy
clone producing slut!
The male is done
spreading his joy in
puffs of yellow dust
his life forfeit in hopes
of making seeds to
satisfy his lust!
Hope you enjoy this
little ditty of JZ's nifty grow
coco coir and oc plus
is my way to go!
I did enjoy your ditty!
I read it several times out loud
And, even better than my +REPS
I bet you made Propa proud!
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Gave the big girl a trim up, buds are popping everywhere. The shorter phenos are still bushy, I've been loath to even try to clip them down, they seem to be slower at kicking into flower, though they've got some hairs showing (finally). Perhaps I'll give them a lollipopping, just keep the central cola, as with the density and tight node stacking, I think I'll get a better pull, but then again, why not push the LEDs through their paces, eh?
I like the taller pheno of this strain, and since my male was also that type, any seeds I get will at least have decent genetics
I lost the lid to my res in the move, so the evaporation rate has been up quite a bit - of course since the girls are much bigger (and the Amazonia too) they're drinking more water too. I'll kludge up something with styrofoam or something (I know duct tape will be used) - maybe stop aeration, or cut it back? I've just been using tap water pH'd down, so not really any sludge to worry about, nutes are in the coir....
I apologize for my ramblings, I ran out of meds a few days ago, but found a nug I'd stashed - and the one-hit-quit is in effect Anyhow, as far as this still being the 'Shootout', as I stated some time back, I feel either light will do what I need, the real proof will be in the finish, of course - I like that Donny's light is lightweight and gets the same coverage as the Brand X unit, despite it's smaller package and profile (which infers less heatsinking, or more efficient heatsinking). I'd recommend it just on it's veg ability alone. Of course, I have the Pro-Bloom, so we'll see how the nugs turn out.
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I like the taller pheno of this strain, and since my male was also that type, any seeds I get will at least have decent genetics
I lost the lid to my res in the move, so the evaporation rate has been up quite a bit - of course since the girls are much bigger (and the Amazonia too) they're drinking more water too. I'll kludge up something with styrofoam or something (I know duct tape will be used) - maybe stop aeration, or cut it back? I've just been using tap water pH'd down, so not really any sludge to worry about, nutes are in the coir....I apologize for my ramblings, I ran out of meds a few days ago, but found a nug I'd stashed - and the one-hit-quit is in effect
Anyhow, as far as this still being the 'Shootout', as I stated some time back, I feel either light will do what I need, the real proof will be in the finish, of course - I like that Donny's light is lightweight and gets the same coverage as the Brand X unit, despite it's smaller package and profile (which infers less heatsinking, or more efficient heatsinking). I'd recommend it just on it's veg ability alone. Of course, I have the Pro-Bloom, so we'll see how the nugs turn out. - JZPropa Gator
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One hit at a time, seldom two. 5 to 10 at most per day. 20 hits to a gram.
That's my usage rate, and lucky me: I grow much more than that.
Nobody steps into my domicile/growroom, and I seldom smoke elsewhere.
Cannabis is medicine, not a social disease like beer.
That's my usage rate, and lucky me: I grow much more than that.
Nobody steps into my domicile/growroom, and I seldom smoke elsewhere.
Cannabis is medicine, not a social disease like beer.
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Some kind of pH lockout or something - I think the tap water is on a different well now, as the base PPM is 330
Gotta figure out how/where to hook up my RO/DI so I can cut the tap...dammit.
Pics of the kids in a bit. Maybe.
PH and PPM's are totally different and I don't know if you've been checking/adjusting PH but a base PPM of 330 is enough to give you problems.
When your tap PPM's are above 200, it classifies as "hard water" but you should NOT use a water softener.
You definately have the right idea in terms of mixing down the tap with RODI and I'd work to get the base PPM's to about 100-150 (or lower).
The excess salts in the hard water usually include high amounts of sodium and calcium, and excess sodium can block the uptake of potassium, calcium & magnesium.
I would most definately do a flush, too!
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Yeah, figured that - I suppose I'll just have to figure out how to take the current kitchen faucet end out and get a garden hose male fitting for it…I gotta buy channel locks too then.
There's a laundry room downstairs, with a sink and the proper faucet, but it might look odd for me to be sitting down there with this contraption hooked up, collecting water, especially at this hour.
In the meantime, I'll try to get to the store tomorrow with my 5gal jugs and get 'em filled with pure water like in the old days, before I had a RODI unit (which is currently idle).
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There's a laundry room downstairs, with a sink and the proper faucet, but it might look odd for me to be sitting down there with this contraption hooked up, collecting water, especially at this hour.
In the meantime, I'll try to get to the store tomorrow with my 5gal jugs and get 'em filled with pure water like in the old days, before I had a RODI unit (which is currently idle).
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Yeah, figured that - I suppose I'll just have to figure out how to take the current kitchen faucet end out and get a garden hose male fitting for it…I gotta buy channel locks too then.
There's a laundry room downstairs, with a sink and the proper faucet, but it might look odd for me to be sitting down there with this contraption hooked up, collecting water, especially at this hour.
In the meantime, I'll try to get to the store tomorrow with my 5gal jugs and get 'em filled with pure water like in the old days, before I had a RODI unit (which is currently idle).
Checkout a Claber 8583:
Claber - Masters of Water, watering systems. | Quick-click Connectors
You can pick one up for less than $10 and a Web search will give suppliers.
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OK...I don't know about the bathroom, but you should be able to put one of these in the kitchen:
Dual Thread Faucet to Hose Adapter
Hi JZ,
I've been cutting my tap w/ RO for months now, it's been working good, my girls are healthy. My tap is 240-260ppm and I use approx. 1/8 to not quite a 1/4 gal tap to RO...comes out to 60-80 everytime.
Good Luck
Where's those pics??? Love the pics!!
I hope you're feeling better.
I've been cutting my tap w/ RO for months now, it's been working good, my girls are healthy. My tap is 240-260ppm and I use approx. 1/8 to not quite a 1/4 gal tap to RO...comes out to 60-80 everytime.
Good Luck
Where's those pics???
Love the pics!! I hope you're feeling better.
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