Jon's First Outdoor Grow: Sugar Breath Photoperiod & Strawberry Banana Autoflower

[Jon]

I have no way to test and who can tell when it's still on the plant? I doubt it, although HSC says their version gets to the upper 20s. It's all about the terpenes with this one for me. I watched the HSC video on the site on it and dude talks about how extensive the search was and all that. It's cool. So I am not concerned with anything but quality on any of these plants, and this one seems it won't disappoint there. Also looks to be a relatively easy trim, much like the Raspberry Parfait. Btw - the RP overpowers every smell in this room, and trust me all this weed stinks by any standard. But you can't smell any of it cuz of the Raspberry. It's crazy how overwhelming the odor is on that one.

Btw Bill, now that the coco girls are in the tent a few days, I can smell them too. Faint, just beginning, but couldn't tell at all outside. I have a feeling the Blueberry is gonna overwhelm the others in that regard, but also think a tent of Dos Si Dos, Strawberry Lemonade, and Blueberry is likely to make my nose smile in a few weeks.

If I have anything so far that beat 30% I'd say the Slurricane and Ghost Train Haze are both good bets.

And oh yeah, yes, she is finishing outside. She's the only outdoor plant at this point. Made my life a lot easier. My body already feels that I'm not dragging around 10 plants all day every day. She's only a couple days out.

 

[Jon]

Coco Girls and a Light Change Update After 24 Hours

@Bill284, these girls are having and will not have the slightest issue with this light change. It's better than I had hoped. Check out the prayer meeting they have going on in the picture. Done deal, they laughed at me and said okay no problem.

I also notice already after 24 hours that they drain the pot more slowly in a tent than they do outside. It's not that they're consumption has slowed, it's that the sun isn't drying out the pots from the outside anymore. Didn't think that impact would be so noticeable.

Both those things make Jon's life way easier, so he's a fan. Lol. Third person joke.

See what I mean? You agree?

 

[Renaissance Man]

That makes sense to me. Happy for you that you get a relief of that watering chore.

 

[cjsbabygirl313]

Coco Girls and a Light Change Update After 24 Hours

@Bill284, these girls are having and will not have the slightest issue with this light change. It's better than I had hoped. Check out the prayer meeting they have going on in the picture. Done deal, they laughed at me and said okay no problem.

I also notice already after 24 hours that they drain the pot more slowly in a tent than they do outside. It's not that they're consumption has slowed, it's that the sun isn't drying out the pots from the outside anymore. Didn't think that impact would be so noticeable.

Both those things make Jon's life way easier, so he's a fan. Lol. Third person joke.

See what I mean? You agree?

Yeah, ANY plants I have in containers outside have to be watered constantly because with the sun beating down on the containers, its Evaporation City! My plants that are in wooden half barrels fare a bit better, but I think thats because the wood actually retains a bit of moisture on its own. Not GREAT, but definitely better than plastic pots or hanging baskets!

 

[InTheShed]

I also notice already after 24 hours that they drain the pot more slowly in a tent than they do outside. It's not that they're consumption has slowed, it's that the sun isn't drying out the pots from the outside anymore. Didn't think that impact would be so noticeable.

I would guess they are transpiring a lot less not being in the sun and wind as well.

 

[Bill284]

Coco Girls and a Light Change Update After 24 Hours

@Bill284, these girls are having and will not have the slightest issue with this light change. It's better than I had hoped. Check out the prayer meeting they have going on in the picture. Done deal, they laughed at me and said okay no problem.

I also notice already after 24 hours that they drain the pot more slowly in a tent than they do outside. It's not that they're consumption has slowed, it's that the sun isn't drying out the pots from the outside anymore. Didn't think that impact would be so noticeable.

Both those things make Jon's life way easier, so he's a fan. Lol. Third person joke.

See what I mean? You agree?

I spent hours spraying water on the outside of the pots.
Especially the 50, it just baked in the sun.
That black cloth just absorbed the heat.
So now your job gets a little easier, they only absorb what they need.
No weather loss.
What's your temp and rh in there?
You must have it nailed by the looks of them.


Stay safe
Bill

 

[Jon]

I spent hours spraying water on the outside of the pots.
Especially the 50, it just baked in the sun.
That black cloth just absorbed the heat.
So now your job gets a little easier, they only absorb what they need.
No weather loss.
What's your temp and rh in there?
You must have it nailed by the looks of them.


Stay safe
Bill

Thanks Bill. I have them at what I consider early budding environment. This means daytime (lights on) temp is in the mid 70s and daytime Rh is around 50-55%, nighttime (lights out) temp goes down to 65 degrees and the Rh takes on the same as you'd have in an overly air conditioned small room in a house - around 60%. I think those will work until we start to see some real buddage, at which point we'll switch to mid/late budding environment and shoot for 70 degrees daytime temp/45% day rh, 60 nighttime temp/45% rh. That's about how I budded out the girls I just harvested and I have (is there a number less than zero? Lol.) zero complaints with how they turned out.

Sound like a plan? Would you be at similar numbers? I won't say it's nailed after just a day and a half, but boy do these girls look spectacular. All three are praying like mad, and it's truly gorgeous to look at. I post too many pics as it is, so I'm going to hold off on posting them for a while till we have some significant visual change. Won't take long.

I guess I can go back to being able to depend fully on the trichomes for harvest now that we're under LED and not the sun. Not that I would only use them anyway anymore, but it makes a difference. In my short sun plant experience, it seems in every case you can't go exclusively by trichs outdoors for I'm sure a variety of reasons. LED it isn't that way, or at least it seems.

I'm so high. As strong of a nighty night bud the Slurricane is (it'll put you down), the Ghost Train Haze is the polar opposite. I smoked it as my first buzz today and not only does it destroy you, it's a pure sativa buzz and feels like you got shot out of a cannon. What a sativa, no wonder it's considered king by many and has won so many awards. I'm in love with it. It has made the short list for our monster outdoor grow this summer. So has the Raspberry Parfait. Here's the most amazing thing about the Raspberry Parfait, besides the ridiculous odor, and I've never once experienced this on any plant, no matter how it was grown....the plant has ZERO waste. When I say zero I really mean zero. Every single bud on the plant makes the jar. I have no flarf, only the sugar leaf for the Trim Bin. That is astounding. You know how when you're trimming a plant, let's say you take one branch with a nice bud on the top and gradually as they go down to the bottom of the branch they get smaller and almost always flarfier, right? So what I do is a pre-cut, where I take each branch and quickly cut it at the point where below the cut I know I would not bother trimming or they wouldn't be worth the effort or they are complete flarf. That way I have a pile of what I know is going to make the jar. But with the Raspberry Parfait I could not do it that way. I started to, and branch after branch I was like, all those are solid, all those are solid, etc. It means 100% yield. Which is just unbelievable, and good in this case because the plant itself is not the highest yielder. I'll know today what she gave me, but it looks to be only about 4-5 ounces. Of perfection, every bud. The very smallest buds trim up to the size of a gigantic bong hit, and anything that size, if it's solid, makes my jars.

So there's a preview report on some of my buds as a bonus.

 

[Bill284]

Making me do math
Day time 75f= 23-24c which is pretty good.
Your close with that rh, should be fine.
Sounds like your smoking some pretty good stuff my friend.
I take a little cbd in the morning.
I haven't had a wake and bake since high-school.
I'd be asleep by noon,hehe.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Jon]

CJS Apple Blossom
Veg Day 26

This girl is doing extremely well. The @Prescription Blend nutrients seem to be performing very well too. She's solid, her color is amazing, she has a solid rate of growth and all the inner branching is growing out really well. She doesn't have the slightest blemish. Of course I am using them exactly as prescribed in the chart and now that I know what's up with measuring them it's actually quite easy. Just a tiny bit of adjustment cuz you're not used to these kind of containers and measuring your dosage from pipettes, but it's tiny and you get it down right away. Least that is how it's been for me. I am psyched for when I can start mixing gallons so I'm out of using the tips of pipettes for half ML measurements. Lmao. Hey PB guys - question: is there any way y'all could maybe make the markings on the pipettes black instead of clear so they stand out? I'm old, and my eyes are going.....

She also got her first topping today, above the fourth node. Could have been cleaner, but it'll do. This girl is getting trained out and will be a big outdoor bush. I'm also going to give her the full treatment in terms of up potting and not skip a step, so from this one she will up pot to a three, and then later up pot to a seven, and then a few days after the up potting to the seven we'll likely put her all outside and bud her out in the seven so that all her roots have a whole two gallons of fresh soil to play in for the 70 days or whatever of budding. This will keep her in veg longer than any of the other photos by a wide margin, which I prefer a lot. And finally, today she begins her first ever day in natural sunlight, as she begins the 10 sun/10 LED veg process. @Emilya, does that sound like a plan?

So here she is on day 26. She got watered about 20 minutes before the pictures so forgive her droop.

1. Overhead shot
2. Side shot showing interior growth
3. Side shot showing topping/upper growth
4. Closeup of an established leaf
5. Closeup of a new growth leaf
6 Lounging in the sun

 

[Jon]

Making me do math
Day time 75f= 23-24c which is pretty good.
Your close with that rh, should be fine.
Sounds like your smoking some pretty good stuff my friend.
I take a little cbd in the morning.
I haven't had a wake and bake since high-school.
I'd be asleep by noon,hehe.

Stay safe
Bill

Depending on the weather, I may be able to get the Rh down as low as 35%. That is really what I want in mid/late budding. The girls I just chopped got there three or four days when the weather was right. But mostly it's in the low 40s.

 

[Bill284]

Depending on the weather, I may be able to get the Rh down as low as 35%. That is really what I want in mid/late budding. The girls I just chopped got there three or four days when the weather was right. But mostly it's in the low 40s.

Fantastic.
With those temps you should have rock hard nugs.
How is that sweet little puppy.
Keeping you busy?

Stay safe
Bill

 

[cjsbabygirl313]

CJS Apple Blossom
Veg Day 26

This girl is doing extremely well. The @Prescription Blend nutrients seem to be performing very well too. She's solid, her color is amazing, she has a solid rate of growth and all the inner branching is growing out really well. She doesn't have the slightest blemish. Of course I am using them exactly as prescribed in the chart and now that I know what's up with measuring them it's actually quite easy. Just a tiny bit of adjustment cuz you're not used to these kind of containers and measuring your dosage from pipettes, but it's tiny and you get it down right away. Least that is how it's been for me. I am psyched for when I can start mixing gallons so I'm out of using the tips of pipettes for half ML measurements. Lmao. Hey PB guys - question: is there any way y'all could maybe make the markings on the pipettes black instead of clear so they stand out? I'm old, and my eyes are going.....

She also got her first topping today, above the fourth node. Could have been cleaner, but it'll do. This girl is getting trained out and will be a big outdoor bush. I'm also going to give her the full treatment in terms of up potting and not skip a step, so from this one she will up pot to a three, and then later up pot to a seven, and then a few days after the up potting to the seven we'll likely put her all outside and bud her out in the seven so that all her roots have a whole two gallons of fresh soil to play in for the 70 days or whatever of budding. This will keep her in veg longer than any of the other photos by a wide margin, which I prefer a lot. And finally, today she begins her first ever day in natural sunlight, as she begins the 10 sun/10 LED veg process. @Emilya, does that sound like a plan?

So here she is on day 26. She got watered about 20 minutes before the pictures so forgive her droop.

1. Overhead shot
2. Side shot showing interior growth
3. Side shot showing topping/upper growth
4. Closeup of an established leaf
5. Closeup of a new growth leaf
6 Lounging in the sun

She's beautiful @Jon! Cant wait to see what she looks like when she gets up-potted to the next size; my suspicion is she’s going to explode!

 

[Emilya Green]

@Emilya, does that sound like a plan?

Sounds like a great plan to me! Watch her carefully for her first few hours out in the bright sun, but she should adjust quickly.

 

[Jon]

Fun With Phenos!!!
Strawberry Banana Pheno Comparison Photos
SB 1, 2, 3, 4
All Jarred - All Curing - All Smokeable

I thought this would be fun to do on a break. I've been psyched to do this since I began growing this strain. It's always been a favorite strain of mine, which is why I grew four of them. But it also gives me the opportunity to compare four different pheno's end buds on all levels, which is awesome. I'll save the yield and all the smoking details for the Strain Review, this post is just to show you visually how each of the four plants turned out. I tried to pick a bud that was representative of the whole in each case. None of these are the largest bud, none are the smallest.

Here's a couple things about these girls:
- #1 was the earliest taken, #2 was four days later, and #3 and #4 were three days after that
- #3 has the most red hairs and is the sweetest of the four
- #4 was the highest yielder, #1 the lowest
- #1 had the largest individual buds, #2 second, #3 the smallest, and #4 in between, all are chunky and dense
- Trichome count on all four is really good imo
- All four of these are as strong and delicious as every photo I've harvested and get you just as high as the Slurricane. The only thing auto about these autos was the yield.

So let's get to it already.

8 Pictures
4 Phenos
Bud Shot followed by a closeup of each one
In order 1 through 4

Enjoy! Hope this is fun for you guys, cuz I really enjoyed every part of making this post, from the bud selection to the pictures to the writing to the posting and editing. Rarely do I get a chance to compare like this. We'll do a similar thing with the Dos Si Dos, as we have 3 autos of that strain as well as a Fast Flowering Coco Photo of it in with the three Coco Girls.

 

[cjsbabygirl313]

Fun With Phenos!!!
Strawberry Banana Pheno Comparison Photos
SB 1, 2, 3, 4
All Jarred - All Curing - All Smokeable

I thought this would be fun to do on a break. I've been psyched to do this since I began growing this strain. It's always been a favorite strain of mine, which is why I grew four of them. But it also gives me the opportunity to compare four different pheno's end buds on all levels, which is awesome. I'll save the yield and all the smoking details for the Strain Review, this post is just to show you visually how each of the four plants turned out. I tried to pick a bud that was representative of the whole in each case. None of these are the largest bud, none are the smallest.

Here's a couple things about these girls:
- #1 was the earliest taken, #2 was four days later, and #3 and #4 were three days after that
- #3 has the most red hairs and is the sweetest of the four
- #4 was the highest yielder, #1 the lowest
- #1 had the largest individual buds, #2 second, #3 the smallest, and #4 in between, all are chunky and dense
- Trichome count on all four is really good imo
- All four of these are as strong and delicious as every photo I've harvested and get you just as high as the Slurricane. The only thing auto about these autos was the yield.

So let's get to it already.

8 Pictures
4 Phenos
Bud Shot followed by a closeup of each one
In order 1 through 4

Enjoy! Hope this is fun for you guys, cuz I really enjoyed every part of making this post, from the bud selection to the pictures to the writing to the posting and editing. Rarely do I get a chance to compare like this. We'll do a similar thing with the Dos Si Dos, as we have 3 autos of that strain as well as a Fast Flowering Coco Photo of it in with the three Coco Girls.

I hope my buds come out looking as yummy!

 

[Jon]

Ok @Bill284, let's see if you see what I see.....

I waited til they were just about to get watered to take these pics. There were two things I wanted to check, one being how are they adjusting after now 2 1/2 days, and also how dialed in is my light in terms of proximity to the tops of the plants.

On the first point, there was no adjustment. They're 100% fine and we're going to have no issues there. No worries whatsoever.

On the second point, check out the pictures. There are closeups of each plant in as max prayer mode as they get right before a watering. I see a Blueberry and a Strawberry Lemonade that are perfectly praying and perfectly placed in relation to the light. I also see a Dos Si Dos Fast Flowering plant that's praying beyond praying. See how her leaves are praying at greater than a 45 degree angle? In my world, you don't want this. All this signifies to me is a plant that's bitching at me to be as close to the light as her two friends. I'm going to raise this plant up to match the other two in height.

Let's see if I'm right. Betcha I am. I'll take a picture tomorrow at this same time (they're pretty consistent now, I basically water them around 1 or 2 pm every day and completely soak to runoff.) I decided with coco there is no reason to vacuum up the runoff. I wasn't sure, so yesterday after I watered them I watched what happened, and within about half an hour they had drank enough that they sucked that runoff right back up. All of it. I'm fine with that. Is there any reason to not continue this practice? Anyway, I'm betting that in tomorrow's prayer picture you'll see all three plants with an equal prayer situation.

So here they are now, before I raise the DSD FF. Order of pictures is Blueberry, Strawberry Lemonade, and Dos Si Dos.

 

[Bill284]

Ok @Bill284, let's see if you see what I see.....

I waited til they were just about to get watered to take these pics. There were two things I wanted to check, one being how are they adjusting after now 2 1/2 days, and also how dialed in is my light in terms of proximity to the tops of the plants.

On the first point, there was no adjustment. They're 100% fine and we're going to have no issues there. No worries whatsoever.

On the second point, check out the pictures. There are closeups of each plant in as max prayer mode as they get right before a watering. I see a Blueberry and a Strawberry Lemonade that are perfectly praying and perfectly placed in relation to the light. I also see a Dos Si Dos Fast Flowering plant that's praying beyond praying. See how her leaves are praying at greater than a 45 degree angle? In my world, you don't want this. All this signifies to me is a plant that's bitching at me to be as close to the light as her two friends. I'm going to raise this plant up to match the other two in height.

Let's see if I'm right. Betcha I am. I'll take a picture tomorrow at this same time (they're pretty consistent now, I basically water them around 1 or 2 pm every day and completely soak to runoff.) I decided with coco there is no reason to vacuum up the runoff. I wasn't sure, so yesterday after I watered them I watched what happened, and within about half an hour they had drank enough that they sucked that runoff right back up. All of it. I'm fine with that. Is there any reason to not continue this practice? Anyway, I'm betting that in tomorrow's prayer picture you'll see all three plants with an equal prayer situation.

So here they are now, before I raise the DSD FF. Order of pictures is Blueberry, Strawberry Lemonade, and Dos Si Dos.

Third pic correct the blury one, hehe.
How much farther is it than the others.
What does the rest of her look like.
I'd be careful with that runoff, I never let them sit in it or suck back up run off.
If it's fresh fine but don't let it sit.
Ph goes off and salts fall out and you will be in trouble.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[InTheShed]

You know how when you're trimming a plant, let's say you take one branch with a nice bud on the top and gradually as they go down to the bottom of the branch they get smaller and almost always flarfier, right?

Actually no! On mine, all that stuff comes off after stretch (leaving the fans), and anything that tries to grow back comes off along the way.

So what I do is a pre-cut, where I take each branch and quickly cut it at the point where below the cut I know I would not bother trimming or they wouldn't be worth the effort or they are complete flarf.

If you take that off after stretch, all the energy the plant put into growing it would have gone to the top flowers, which is why I trim my plants that way. I hate larf!

 

[Jon]

Trim Jail Update

Wow, I'm getting fairly close to having everything I have on hand that needs trimmed and jarred finished. By tomorrow I should have it all done. I just weighed what I have jarred. This is all the strains that have been jarred to this point with one more days worth of Hulkberry and GTH to go. And those two already banked are part of these "already" numbers.

Counting the 2 ounce Sour Apple, which was the first plant of f the indoor grow (which is gone, but counts on the indoor grow yield numbers), and including the tent plants, the Chunkadelic, the five autos in the nextlight rig, and the Raspberry Parfait, I have 28.8 ounces of perfectly trimmed buds in the bank. If that gives you an idea of how much trimming I've had. Granted the SA and Chunky were done already, as were two Strawberry Bananas, that weight was 11 ounces, so in the past four days I have trimmed to perfection, separated smoking bud bowls of real but small buds that count in weight but don't get jarred (haven't weighed them in this total either yet), separated the flarf, and have the buds left to trim separated, 18 ounces of bud basically. To me that feels like a shi-load of trimming, and it really hasn't been too bad.

When all of it is done, I will of course post official yields for each grow in the appropriate journals.

Work release today is over. I gotta go back to the jail now.

 

[Jon]

Third pic correct the blury one, hehe.
How much farther is it than the others.
What does the rest of her look like.
I'd be careful with that runoff, I never let them sit in it or suck back up run off.
If it's fresh fine but don't let it sit.
Ph goes off and salts fall out and you will be in trouble.

Stay safe
Bill

Thanks. ok, risers in, runoff out. she was only one brick short of the SB next to her, so I put it under her and raised her two inches, which puts her at the exact same height as the others. We'll see what happens. The rest of her was praying just like that top to bottom. Never seen huge sugar leaves above a 45 degree angle before. Cool, but no. Lol.