Jon's First Outdoor Grow: Sugar Breath Photoperiod & Strawberry Banana Autoflower

Hadn't planned on being so active here today, but things happen....
EXECUTIVE DECISION MADE
@Mars Hydro
Say hello to our formerly indoor/outdoor Autos
Day 47


With great hesitancy I made an executive decision this evening. However, as you'll see, it's going to work out just fine.

If you saw the post today about the SB FF photo that began with a wind break - well, therein lies our reason for making this decision. The wind is simply a bit much every day. I'm not worried about the coco photos cuz their stems are already tree trunks. The autos are too - but more on the bottom than all the way up the plant. I've actually never seen stems like I see on the coco plants, but I digress. If that branch that was snapped today can snap, then any of these auto branches can also snap. And in particular, since they're all basically trained in the same fashion, they all have pretty much two main colas that tower over the rest. (Actually as you'll see, one of the DSD's gave me three). Also due to their style of training, all the other branches are very long and laden with buds. I have come too far with these girls and worked too hard on them to take a chance on them now after seeing what happened to their cousin today.

So now all the pressure is on the FC-E6500. :rofl: No more sun. No more outdoors, other than the outside environment. :( But I think you can see why and I think it's the smarter decision. AND, best of all, I already happen to know from experience that the FC-E6500 is going to finish these girls out STRONG, cuz that's what this light does. So yeah, we lost the sun, and that's too bad, but if there has to be a stand in the MH ain't too bad! They will finish under 20/4 in the rig at 100% power in the exact positions you see them in below. I took the time to tweak it since now we're in final position and I'm tired of rearranging every day, so I got all the plants so that there's a "canopy" of sorts and they're exactly where they need to be relative to the light to finish budding. As we're way done with vertical growth we can now set them and forget them. Again, my life just got easier, although I didn't really want to trade that workload in. Oh well. Discretion is the better part of valor. And yield. Lol!

The pictures:

1. The autos in their final positions in the rig with proximity to light.
2. Our "canopy" picture taken from light level.
3-6: One picture of each plant's main colas that I am unwilling to risk along with the rest of them. Check out the DSD #1 with the thick ass buds. See her stems under those buds? No WAY am I risking those. And this is repeated on each plant, although not like that one, lol. Also maybe take note of the final picture. I put it last on purpose. This is another DSD, but two things of note about this one - one, it has three mains, basically, and two, 2 of those mains are attached much lower to the really bad break we had. This is the broken main cola auto. I think she recovered very nicely. I used @cjsbabygirl313 break fixing level skills on it and it worked out great. Also, the fourth picture appears to have five tops, that pic is to show the two big ones that are taller on the outside, they're the ones that go with that plant. The order of plants in these four pictures is DSD1 (thick bud plant), DSD2, Gorilla Zkittlez, DSD3 (broken cola plant).


So anyone wanna tell me I made the right decision? Or did I chicken out too soon?

Final positions in MH rig to finish.jpg


formerly outdoor autos now finishing up here canopy shot.jpg


DSD 1 new final digs.jpg


DSD 2 final digs two outer colas.jpg


GZ final new digs .jpg


DSD 3 new final digs broken cola plant.jpg
Keeping your girls safe and healthy is always priority # 1, so good call!!:thumb:
 
A Farmer's Work Is Never Done.....
Raspberry Parfait Harvest
Flower Day 53


Well, that's my quickest photo ever. Granted, she was only in flower for like 35 days, the least time by a month I ever vegged for, but only 53 of flower, and she's all done now. 90 days from seed and she's giving me tons of dense, frosty, incredibly stinky buds. Why do I grow autos again? Lol. The buds packed on noticeable weight in the last six days. Glad I only took five of the smallest branches when I did. This plant is not going to be the poor yielder I thought, I really suck at estimating yields. But every branch is 100% bud. This plant literally has zero flarf. I mean ZERO. Even the smallest buds at the base of the stems are little, dense nuggets that I will trim. I never grew a strain with no flarf. I'm thinking more a quality of growing and budding in the sun than anything else - everything gets tons of light, unlike a tent grow.

I LOVE outdoor.

Here's a picture of the harvest before I hung it in the tent in the GTH's spot now vacated and in her five gallon bucket, and one closeup of what the buds looked like at harvest. That mist in the bud picture is the fog rolling in tonight. Damnit. Lol.

PUC up next, then the autos, then the coco girls, then the Apple Blossom. I see that as our order of business.

RP harvest total.jpg


Here are what the buds of RP look like at harvest.jpg
 
You made the best decision you could make! Personally, I would have shoved a bunch of bamboo sticks in the pots and tied them up and left them outside. I've had wind tip entire plants over but I've never had it break a branch.
Yeah it's pretty strong for about four to six hours a day then it dies off every day. But that plant, I topped above node five and it stretched like crazy so those two stems were long and thin compared to the rest of the stem, and I was concerned about them the whole time once they stretched so far. They were the "V" coming off the topping point. Never had one stretch that way quite like that. They would practically bow between 45 and 60 degrees (approximating) in the wind. Yeah, I should have done something sooner. If I wasn't so all over the place with so much going on I would have, I rarely lose things to the cracks.

Thanks for the atta boy!
 
I don't even want to mix PB every day. I'm using them on the Apple Blossom and Chocolope if she makes it, so they're covered anyway.
If your mixing our nutrient line you don't have to use in a single day. You can keep it for several days just in a bucket but the best way to keep nutrients for later feeding is to use a air pump/bubbler to keep everything full of oxygen. if its kept this way you can keep leftover nutrient for a week or two to use in later feedings.

Just wanted to let you know that if your mixing every day, its more work then you need to be doing! Whatever your feeding those girls, the garden looks very nice!
 
If your mixing our nutrient line you don't have to use in a single day. You can keep it for several days just in a bucket but the best way to keep nutrients for later feeding is to use a air pump/bubbler to keep everything full of oxygen. if its kept this way you can keep leftover nutrient for a week or two to use in later feedings.

Just wanted to let you know that if your mixing every day, its more work then you need to be doing! Whatever your feeding those girls, the garden looks very nice!
Wow, that was unexpected. Thanks so much! I didn't know you guys watched so closely, that's awesome. Kudos! And yes, that makes my life easier. I did say you guys thought of everything, lol. Glad I didn't know that, what a great mistake to have corrected. I can't do the bubbler in this grow, but even to keep it for three or four days between feedings would be awesome. It's tough to mix a quart of any nute line, lol.

THANKS SO MUCH!!!
 
Saturday Morning Bud Porn Special
Photos Only (w/descriptions)

1: Dos Si Dos autoflower, Day 48, whole plant - if every auto I grew made buds like this I'd only grow autos.
2-7: Pure, unadulterated bud porn from the same plant. Note the last bud picture - this is the very lowest bud on the plant, the one we almost always tear off long ago, comes with her sister on the other side, at the very base of the main stem, attached to the actual main stem, not a branch. Even these two buds are sweet and worth trimming. This plant appears to have zero flarf. Astounding auto. And I was wondering if I would like Dos Si Dos. I already do. Very sweet, fruity smell, especially with three of them. Totally overwhelms whatever the Gorilla Zkittlez has going on in that regard.
8-10: The three coco photos. This is how they look when they first get put in their morning spot. These pics were taken from a distance on max zoom on purpose, so they're a bit blurry. The idea is to display what I *think* would be the "natural" shape of these girls, as they've had no training, save a 5th node topping on the Blueberry along with several of her upper side branches. So maybe not so much with that one. I thought it was kind of interesting to see the difference between the Christmas tree shape of the DSD, and the sort of diamond shape the other two have, especially the Strawberry Lemonade. Order of plants in these three pictures is Dos Si Dos Fast Flowering photo, Blueberry photo, and Strawberry Lemonade photo. Btw - the jerks this Blueberry seed came from just got kicked off Instagram. Lmao.

Hope you enjoyed! Thanks for stopping by and may your Saturday be filled with sweet nugs.


DSD #1 entire plant supreme.jpg


DSD bud shot 1 supreme.jpg


DSD bud shot 2 supreme.jpg


DSD bud shot 3 supreme.jpg


DSD bud shot 4 supreme.jpg


DSD bud shot 5 supreme.jpg


DSD lowest bud on the plant supreme.jpg


Coco DSD first thing.jpg


Coco Blueberry first thing.jpg


Coco Straw Lem first thing.jpg
 
Pineapple Upside Down Cake
Flower Day 47


I'm over the whole plant picture, can't get a good shot and get the whole plant in. So today I divided her into top, middle and bottom sections for the pictures.

She's getting closer. This plant is the most productive plant I have ever grown, photo or auto. By a significant margin from the looks of it. And she's still got a ways to go yet, at least a week, maybe a few more days after that to my eye.

It's Sunday, what was once a day of rest before I became a farmer. That old saying that a farmer's work is never done is indeed a truism. Lol. Let's just go to the pics. Top - middle - bottom is the order. Enjoy.

PUC upper section.jpg


PUC middle section.jpg


PUC lower section.jpg
 
Coco Photos
Flower/Stretch Day 9


Today I am showing you just the three tops of the three coco photos. We have pistils and the show is about to begin. I'm wondering who will win the stretch race. It's either Blueberry or Strawberry Lemonade, and currently the BB is winning. And she was the only topped plant of the three!

Today was the last day of the week 5 feeding, tomorrow we start week 6, and as we have pistils, today with their feed just now I did what @Bill284 ordered me to do (he wanted this sooner but hey....sorry coach....), and top dressed all three plants with a generous dressing of bokashi and frass. That ought to help them scream into budding with a vengeance. Their watering needs are beginning to increase pretty quickly in terms of frequency. Glad the PUC is basically done with anything but watering, and these three are the only outdoor plants I now have to attend to for a good while. Since the workload on them appears to be about to rise yet again, the timing is fortuitous.

So here's the three tops:

- Blueberry
- Strawberry Lemonade
- Dos Si Dos Fast Flowering


Blueberry Coco Top.jpg


Strawberry Lemonade Coco Top.jpg


Dos Si Dos Fast Flowering Coco Top.jpg
 
Coco Photos
Flower/Stretch Day 9


Today I am showing you just the three tops of the three coco photos. We have pistils and the show is about to begin. I'm wondering who will win the stretch race. It's either Blueberry or Strawberry Lemonade, and currently the BB is winning. And she was the only topped plant of the three!

Today was the last day of the week 5 feeding, tomorrow we start week 6, and as we have pistils, today with their feed just now I did what @Bill284 ordered me to do (he wanted this sooner but hey....sorry coach....), and top dressed all three plants with a generous dressing of bokashi and frass. That ought to help them scream into budding with a vengeance. Their watering needs are beginning to increase pretty quickly in terms of frequency. Glad the PUC is basically done with anything but watering, and these three are the only outdoor plants I now have to attend to for a good while. Since the workload on them appears to be about to rise yet again, the timing is fortuitous.

So here's the three tops:

- Blueberry
- Strawberry Lemonade
- Dos Si Dos Fast Flowering


Blueberry Coco Top.jpg


Strawberry Lemonade Coco Top.jpg


Dos Si Dos Fast Flowering Coco Top.jpg
Blueberry always been my tallest.
She didn't like to be trained, always went for the light.
My money is on her. :thumb:

Stay safe
Bill
 
Wow, that was unexpected. Thanks so much! I didn't know you guys watched so closely, that's awesome. Kudos! And yes, that makes my life easier. I did say you guys thought of everything, lol. Glad I didn't know that, what a great mistake to have corrected. I can't do the bubbler in this grow, but even to keep it for three or four days between feedings would be awesome. It's tough to mix a quart of any nute line, lol.

THANKS SO MUCH!!!
If your mixing small amounts you can use a gallon jug and then give it a good shake before using it the next time. Shaking the jug will get oxygen back into the solution before you feed.
 
If your mixing small amounts you can use a gallon jug and then give it a good shake before using it the next time. Shaking the jug will get oxygen back into the solution before you feed.
Thank you very much. Actually that's exactly what I did by chance. Lol. Only on a half gallon scale. Early response to the first week of the nutes has been spectacular, although having never grown this strain that may be a bit of hyperbole at this point. Lol. But she did seem to respond nicely. I think I timed it well in terms of when she was about to be done with the soil. She was ready for you.
 
SPONSOR REPORT
Pineapple Upside Down Cake
@GeoFlora Nutrients Impressions/Results
A Few Days From Harvest
Flower Day 48

Hi Geoflora folks.
I promised you an impression post when I finished a plant which used strictly and only your nutes, and this is as good a time as any and I think a good example in a number of ways.

So first, my primary and overriding impression is that I am completely smitten and in love. I think the nutes are fabulous. This is my first go with them, so for anyone reading this, please keep that in mind. And I don't have a ton of organic experience. This round with Geoflora was my first ever use of a dry nutrient, for example. This plant got no other additives of any kind, not even a shot of Calmag for her. She never said she needed it. Unlike the Raspberry for example, who got one shot of additives and a couple calmag shots. So for what it's worth, this plant is all on you guys, Geoflora. It better be good.

:rofl::rofl: I couldn't resist.

Here's some of what I love:

- Ease of Use:
I honestly don't know how any nutrient line could be easier to use and more user friendly in this regard. All I did was prep the pots with veg nutes and soil activator, mycorrhizae my transplant holes, and then amend/top dress 3/4 of a cup of dry nutes every 13 days. NOTE: The instructions on the nutes suggest applying every two weeks, ie, every 14 days. I bumped the feed schedule up by one day. Didn't have to Ph a single drop of water. Didn't matter if it rained to water them. Didn't have to mix a thing. It was the easiest plant, literally, that I have ever grown with any nutrient line, and for reference, that includes Botanicare, Fox Farms, Canna, Blue Planet, and Prescription Blend along with now Geoflora. All have their own particular magic, and I am not comparing one to another, just saying that in that experience, the Geoflora is by far the easiest. Just the way it is.
- Idiot Proofing: Along with the ease of use comes the idea that these are practically idiot proof, lol. I don't know about anyone else, although I hear it often, but I am often high when mixing nutes. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten halfway through a blend only to realize I'd been using the 1 1/2 tsp. instead of the 1 and had to dump and start over. Or something like that. Losing lids and pipettes. Etc. Well, there isn't a whole lot of worst case scenario with these. I don't really see how one could be high enough to screw it up. :rofl:.
- Results: Obviously what it's all about. So as already stated, I can only gauge results from a non-comparative perspective as I haven't used other organic nutes through an entire plant with zero tinkering. This is the only plant I've done this with. But that said, here's a few things I see that I really like a lot and attribute to the nutes:
1. The rate of growth was quite impressive. Her shape and form were gorgeous and just what it should be. Her side branching for a plant with zero training was impressive.
2. The plant has had zero deficiencies or blemishes the entire grow. Not one spot.
3. The plant has developed impressive, hefty, colorful buds that are covered in trichomes.
4. Although I removed some of the ones that turned all the way yellow, I love the fade with these nutes. I also noticed this on the Raspberry Parfait. It seems to affect the leaves in a very consistent and gradual manner that I really liked. No twisting, dying, ugly looking leaves. Is this an esthetic concern primarily? Maybe so, but it has value to me. There's a picture to show the fade I'm referring to.
5. For the most part the bulk of the leaves have stayed the same shade of green they've been the whole grow. It has been and has stayed very consistent. The leaf patterns around the buds are all solid as hell.
6. There is almost no flarf. Genetics, yes. Nutes? I don't know, but if so, these did that well. Lol.

The first three are the ones that matter to me the most. And in all three regards, I'd be a fool to complain.

I'm wondering, what's not to like? She looks great, she smells great, she's productive, and she even looks like the pictures from HSC for a change! My plants never end up looking like the plants on the websites. Lol.

I love these nutes and will never run out of them. As I learn more I hope to learn more why these seemed to do so well and be able to post more detailed and educated impressions, but there you go.

THANK YOU GEOFLORA SO MUCH FOR SPONSORING THIS GROW. I can't thank you enough for that and for the prizes and things you've laid on me as a result. I'd also like to thank you for your attendance to this, and to how you do that with everyone on here using your stuff. It's refreshing and makes it all worthwhile. More importantly, from a "customer service" perspective, you guys rocked. I had several questions and tried fairly hard to be a pain in the arse, I know. Every single thing I asked you this entire grow was answered, and almost always within 24 hours. That's astounding, and very much appreciated. It helped me a ton. So thanks again guys. Great work you do for all of us here on the forum And FYI, I will also be using Geoflora on the last plant of this grow yet to be shown, because I want to see how they do with an auto in coco. We're using Geoflora in coco on the Watermelon Weddingcake Double XL autoflower who will make her appearance soon enough...in a big pot.

So let's take a look at what you guys have done. Here she is, last pictures of the girl before the chop, and since we lost the Strawberry Banana to the Evil Hermie One, our final Geoflora photoperiod plant. Geoflora is still currently in play on Dos Si Dos autoflowers #2 and #3. Harvest is still days away, but everyone has seen this plant enough to wait til I post bud pics of her.

1. The whole Pineapple Upside Down Cake on Day 47 of flower and getting really close to harvest.
2. The two very lowest, very smallest buds on the entire plant.
3. The stem, showing the woody, developed quality it has.
4. This picture shows the fade I was referring to above.
5. Bud closeup #1.
6. Bud closeup #2.
7. Bud closeup #3.
8. The lowest two full branches on the plant.
9. A mid level branch.
10. The cola.

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Geoflora PUC whole plant.jpg


Geoflora PUC bud 2 lowest buds on the plant.jpg


Geoflora PUC woody stem development shot.jpg


Geoflora PUC gorgeous fade.jpg


Geoflora PUC bud 3.jpg


Geoflora PUC bud 4.jpg


Geoflora PUC bud 1.jpg


Geoflora PUC lowest full branches on the plant.jpg


Geoflora PUC mid level branch.jpg


Geoflora PUC cola shot.jpg
 
Ok @Bill284, this already crappy day has decided to get worse, and now my skills are really going to be tested.

Circumstances dictate that the coco plants finish up in my tent - they can no longer be outside. I don't wanna go into it.

Yeah, I know. It blows. So right now I am in process of cleaning out the tent and resetting it for plants, not drying. My Ghost Train Haze is in long pre cure and in a bucket, so relocating that is no problem. I trimmed the Slurricane, it's gone, and I'm half done the Hulkberry and it's no longer hanging. So all I have to do is relocate the Raspberry Parfait buds that still need a few days. I can relocate them to my closet drying setup, which is going to have to double for the drying location for the PUC and all the autos too, as now the tent is going to be dedicated longer than any of them will live. Of course I have to completely take out and clean the floor liner and floor underneath that when I'm done before I put any more plants back. Then reset fans. Yada yada. BIG pain in the arse.

But okay, it is what it is. The tent is 9 feet tall cuz I got the extender kit, and the light can go as high as the bottom of the bars being at 8'6". The plants on my shortest risers are around 6 feet tall, maybe a little more, but none are 7 by a good margin. So we have about a foot and a half of space to play with. And they can go as close to my light as 6 inches. So that means we have one foot of available space for these plants, give or take.

All I can say to that is that they had best be done stretching by tomorrow morning, 10 days into it, because at first light they go into the tent, which I'll finish setting up now. So what time am I going to start their 12 hour damn tent day? I'm thinking, since I see it every day, that 7 would be too late, and 6 too early. It's basically still completely dark at six but then it comes on fairly quickly. So I was thinking 6:30 am to 6:30 pm. Think that's as close as I can get to what they have right now.

How bad is it going to be with them changing light source in such a dramatic way exactly 10 goddamn days into flower? I can't imagine worse timing to do this. ARRRGH. Not to mention I was LOVING them in the sun and so were they. Bye giant buds. Hello average sized buds. Damnit.

Forget the uppotting, obviously if all three were up potted to fives, even if I could do that, it would completely overgrow the tent. It's going to be bad enough as they are, but I believe I can make it work.

My primary concern is the change in light, and potentially any minor change in their light cycle. I have no idea at what point in between 6 and 7 they begin to get hit with enough photons that it signals that ok, we're awake now. It's a total guess. Well, not total, I watch it every day but never have I looked at a clock to know the starting time, I only worry about, ok, sun is direct now, time to move them to a better spot. But by then they are well into their light day for sure, that's not until like 7:30 or 8.

The change in light source is killing me.

Thoughts? Anything else you can think of I should do? No WAY am I killing these plants. No WAY am I letting them lose any of what they have going on. I know my light well, I feel fairly confident I can dial that in. But only a foot man, I don't know....

Guess we'll see. Goddamnit.
 
Ok @Bill284, this already crappy day has decided to get worse, and now my skills are really going to be tested.

Circumstances dictate that the coco plants finish up in my tent - they can no longer be outside. I don't wanna go into it.

Yeah, I know. It blows. So right now I am in process of cleaning out the tent and resetting it for plants, not drying. My Ghost Train Haze is in long pre cure and in a bucket, so relocating that is no problem. I trimmed the Slurricane, it's gone, and I'm half done the Hulkberry and it's no longer hanging. So all I have to do is relocate the Raspberry Parfait buds that still need a few days. I can relocate them to my closet drying setup, which is going to have to double for the drying location for the PUC and all the autos too, as now the tent is going to be dedicated longer than any of them will live. Of course I have to completely take out and clean the floor liner and floor underneath that when I'm done before I put any more plants back. Then reset fans. Yada yada. BIG pain in the arse.

But okay, it is what it is. The tent is 9 feet tall cuz I got the extender kit, and the light can go as high as the bottom of the bars being at 8'6". The plants on my shortest risers are around 6 feet tall, maybe a little more, but none are 7 by a good margin. So we have about a foot and a half of space to play with. And they can go as close to my light as 6 inches. So that means we have one foot of available space for these plants, give or take.

All I can say to that is that they had best be done stretching by tomorrow morning, 10 days into it, because at first light they go into the tent, which I'll finish setting up now. So what time am I going to start their 12 hour damn tent day? I'm thinking, since I see it every day, that 7 would be too late, and 6 too early. It's basically still completely dark at six but then it comes on fairly quickly. So I was thinking 6:30 am to 6:30 pm. Think that's as close as I can get to what they have right now.

How bad is it going to be with them changing light source in such a dramatic way exactly 10 goddamn days into flower? I can't imagine worse timing to do this. ARRRGH. Not to mention I was LOVING them in the sun and so were they. Bye giant buds. Hello average sized buds. Damnit.

Forget the uppotting, obviously if all three were up potted to fives, even if I could do that, it would completely overgrow the tent. It's going to be bad enough as they are, but I believe I can make it work.

My primary concern is the change in light, and potentially any minor change in their light cycle. I have no idea at what point in between 6 and 7 they begin to get hit with enough photons that it signals that ok, we're awake now. It's a total guess. Well, not total, I watch it every day but never have I looked at a clock to know the starting time, I only worry about, ok, sun is direct now, time to move them to a better spot. But by then they are well into their light day for sure, that's not until like 7:30 or 8.

The change in light source is killing me.

Thoughts? Anything else you can think of I should do? No WAY am I killing these plants. No WAY am I letting them lose any of what they have going on. I know my light well, I feel fairly confident I can dial that in. But only a foot man, I don't know....

Guess we'll see. Goddamnit.
Nope, @Bill284, screw all that noise. I just realized what must be done. If nothing else, I can keep their environment the same. I can put them into the Mars Hydro rig and relocate the autos into my tent. I could get that done tonight as they stay up till 1 am. Easy. Then let the cocos bud in the MH rig, which is ten feet tall a bit more actually. They'll fit in there no problem, can grow all they want, and they get to keep the outdoor environment, so we're not drastically changing light source AND environment. That was really going to suck. I feel better already, glad I thought of that. The autos are already under LED, all it will be to them is a light upgrade and an environmental change, but they're autos. If it makes any of them hermie I'll eat my hat. Specially since they're already in their last three weeks or so. It's so obvious I wish I hadn't wasted all that time on the previous post. Lol. Ok, gotta go to work again.
 
Wow @Jon - sounds like a lot is going on down there! Hope all is well!
 
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