Jon's First Outdoor Grow: Sugar Breath Photoperiod & Strawberry Banana Autoflower

[Jon]

Good morning Mucker.
GeoFlora Nutrients goes great with Bk & Fr.
Like they were ment for each other.
But Rx is pretty good too.
Now I don't know which to pick.hehe
Double XL wooooo.

Stay safe
Bill

Hey Bill -

So I went and did a little research on double xl autos and plants in general last night cuz I was curious. Still didn't find the answer to what, if anything, is genetically the story with them. But I did learn that there are even TRIPLE xls. Lmao. Maybe they put cactus genes in them, I have no idea. But how bad could watermelon zkittlez x wedding cake be? Half of what we all smoke has Wedding Cake in it for god's sake. And who don't like zkittlez? And watermelon?

So I was thinking about the nutes, and what do you think of this...

I really am into autos right now, and really want to see this strain grow in coco. So let's do two. One in PB, one in GF. It can be an informal nute test, which I won't highlight too much in case there's an obvious loser. I think I can fill two sevens with one 1.5 cubic foot bag of coco, by the time I add the perlite, and have the pot filled properly, yes?

Thoughts? You better figure it out - we have about three days. Oh crap, that's assuming the coco arrives by then. Maybe should have checked that before I soaked seeds. Lol.

 

[Bill284]

Hey Bill -

So I went and did a little research on double xl autos and plants in general last night cuz I was curious. Still didn't find the answer to what, if anything, is genetically the story with them. But I did learn that there are even TRIPLE xls. Lmao. Maybe they put cactus genes in them, I have no idea. But how bad could watermelon zkittlez x wedding cake be? Half of what we all smoke has Wedding Cake in it for god's sake. And who don't like zkittlez? And watermelon?

So I was thinking about the nutes, and what do you think of this...

I really am into autos right now, and really want to see this strain grow in coco. So let's do two. One in PB, one in GF. It can be an informal nute test, which I won't highlight too much in case there's an obvious loser. I think I can fill two sevens with one 1.5 cubic foot bag of coco, by the time I add the perlite, and have the pot filled properly, yes?

Thoughts? You better figure it out - we have about three days. Oh crap, that's assuming the coco arrives by then. Maybe should have checked that before I soaked seeds. Lol.

Your hilarious Amigo.
Get your stuff before you pop your seeds. First tip of the day.
Geoflora is full of microbes and work great wit bk,fs.
But Rx is fantastic too so you will get big production.
Sounds great do both,hehe.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Jon]

Your hilarious Amigo.
Get your stuff before you pop your seeds. First tip of the day.
Geoflora is full of microbes and work great wit bk,fs.
But Rx is fantastic too so you will get big production.
Sounds great do both,hehe.

Stay safe
Bill

Well, now that I'm using FF in coco with the three outdoor girls, either one would be 1000x easeir. No nute mixing with every gallon twice a day would be nice. I'm assuming with PB or GF, all I would be adding would be 5.8 water with CalMag each feeding, correct? Along with maybe some top dressing periodically of bokashi and frass and mycorrhizae? And maybe a couple extra additives here and there? My experience tells me that one of the greatest auto myths is that they don't take nutes as well as photos...nothing could be further from the truth. You can load up autos like nobody's business, to the point where it would kill most photos. So you're killing me with the watering, but the organic choice seems like a no brainer. Yes?

 

[Bill284]

Well, now that I'm using FF in coco with the three outdoor girls, either one would be 1000x easeir. No nute mixing with every gallon twice a day would be nice. I'm assuming with PB or GF, all I would be adding would be 5.8 water with CalMag each feeding, correct? Along with maybe some top dressing periodically of bokashi and frass and mycorrhizae? And maybe a couple extra additives here and there? My experience tells me that one of the greatest auto myths is that they don't take nutes as well as photos...nothing could be further from the truth. You can load up autos like nobody's business, to the point where it would kill most photos. So you're killing me with the watering, but the organic choice seems like a no brainer. Yes?

Yes the GF mixed into the coco with the B&F would be the bomb.
But make sure you mix all three into the coco before you put it in the pot.
Rx you still have to mix daily or when ever you mix.
Then top dress with the GF and then all you have to do is water daily.
It's a bonus for coco growers , serious time reduction.
That would be my choice.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Jon]

Yes the GF mixed into the coco with the B&F would be the bomb.
But make sure you mix all three into the coco before you put it in the pot.
Rx you still have to mix daily or when ever you mix.
Then top dress with the GF and then all you have to do is water daily.
It's a bonus for coco growers , serious time reduction.
That would be my choice.

Stay safe
Bill

Done. I'm due for easy. We'll use GF. I don't even want to mix PB every day. I'm using them on the Apple Blossom and Chocolope if she makes it, so they're covered anyway.

 

[Jon]

Scenes from an Outdoor Garden
Raspberry Parfait Flower Day 50
Pineapple Upside Down Cake Flower Day 42

Very happy now that I only took five branches off the RP the other day. The days since have undoubtably made a difference. You can see in the picture that the buds appear far more "finished" than they did four days ago. They've gotten a little fatter. She's still got a few to go, maybe two more days. Her trichs say I can take her whenever.

The PUC is, according to HSC, a 45 day flower. That would be three days from now. Obviously that isn't happening, but she's not far off. Big, dense buds, pretty productive plant, smells like heaven. The cola dwarfs the cola on the RP. Actually the PUC cola will be the single biggest bud I've ever produced. It already is.

My fruit salad is coming along nicely. Next up flowering is the Strawberry Banana Fast Flowering plant, who is doing well in early budding.

It's also Pearl Harbor Day. While I kinda doubt there's any veterans of that event growing on the forum (if there is I wanna see that grow journal!), a vet is a vet and they protect this country. Which includes everything in the world I care about. So Happy PHD, vets, and thank you for your service.

Here you go.

1. RP bud
2. PUC cola
3-4: PUC buds

 

[cjsbabygirl313]

Thanks again for that last night. You were 100% correct, I have Teddy mail to prove it!

Love Teddy - hate the Teddy PMs

 

[cjsbabygirl313]

Scenes from an Outdoor Garden
Raspberry Parfait Flower Day 50
Pineapple Upside Down Cake Flower Day 42

Very happy now that I only took five branches off the RP the other day. The days since have undoubtably made a difference. You can see in the picture that the buds appear far more "finished" than they did four days ago. They've gotten a little fatter. She's still got a few to go, maybe two more days. Her trichs say I can take her whenever.

The PUC is, according to HSC, a 45 day flower. That would be three days from now. Obviously that isn't happening, but she's not far off. Big, dense buds, pretty productive plant, smells like heaven. The cola dwarfs the cola on the RP. Actually the PUC cola will be the single biggest bud I've ever produced. It already is.

My fruit salad is coming along nicely. Next up flowering is the Strawberry Banana Fast Flowering plant, who is doing well in early budding.

It's also Pearl Harbor Day. While I kinda doubt there's any veterans of that event growing on the forum (if there is I wanna see that grow journal!), a vet is a vet and they protect this country. Which includes everything in the world I care about. So Happy PHD, vets, and thank you for your service.

Here you go.

1. RP bud
2. PUC cola
3-4: PUC buds

Um, that PUC bud looks ginormous!

 

[Jon]

Um, that PUC bud looks ginormous!

It's not bad - about forearm-ish or so...

 

[Jon]

Tuesday Afternoon Bud Porn Special
Finish Trimmed Gelato Bud

The first couple Gelato buds are dried. I trimmed a few up and began a jar.

Here's a shot of a finished bud (I could have gone crazier on the trim, but you get the idea....) and a closeup of her interior and actual colors as the lighting isn't very good in the bud shot. The frost with this one is all inside. She's loaded and stinks maybe more than the Raspberry Parfait. I've never touched this strain before and am now very excited about it.

Here you go.

 

[cjsbabygirl313]

Tuesday Afternoon Bud Porn Special
Finish Trimmed Gelato Bud

The first couple Gelato buds are dried. I trimmed a few up and began a jar.

Here's a shot of a finished bud (I could have gone crazier on the trim, but you get the idea....) and a closeup of her interior and actual colors as the lighting isn't very good in the bud shot. The frost with this one is all inside. She's loaded and stinks maybe more than the Raspberry Parfait. I've never touched this strain before and am now very excited about it.

Here you go.

Yummy!

 

[Jon]

A New Approach
Focus: Dos Si Dos #1
Day 44
7 Gallon Pot
Sohum Living Soil

The group shots of all the plants are getting cumbersome to my eye. They all end up looking like just a garden of green. That's great, but let's get to know these girls a bit closer. Tonight will start a once a night, one at a time focus on each individual plant in the outdoor grow until we get to the end of them. That ought to change it up a bit.

Meet Dos Si Dos #1 up close and personal. She's a beast. I am a big fan of Sohum soil, and if you want an easy grow, it doesn't get any easier than Sohum. If you want, it's literally as easy as plant it and water it. No nutes. I ph to 6.3 just cuz I'm hyper, but you could simply water from your tap in most cases and have no issues. It is forgiving, super easy, and drains extremely well. I hypothesize that it makes plants that tend to have darker leaves as well, as that's been my experience with it, and this plant is a good example of that, although it may not show that way in the pictures. This is just observational, not "scientific." I have yet to have a plant in Sohum have an issue, and as reference, if you followed my indoor tent grow at all, that colorful, purple Slurricane was grown in Sohum. Plants taste very organic from it as well, you can taste a freshness in the weed that isn't there in FF grows (I love the flavors FF produces too, don't get me wrong, it just tastes different....). I have found that my autos at least tend to stay green all the way to the very end, with usually very little if any fade. This plant obviously loves it.

She is making bigger, fatter buds by far than the other two DSD's. She is more of an indica type pheno compared to the others, which is part of that I believe. Her leaves are fatter, with rounder edges, and the way her buds have formed is much more indica as compared to the longer, smaller buds of the other two. This plant may be the biggest yielder of all four just due to the girth of her buds, and we have a month left yet! Each of the four autos in the @Mars Hydro rig has their own dedicated fan at night, and this plant's fan blows directly onto the middle mass where it's more prone to get tight. I did a bit of very targeted defoliation on her to open her up a bit, the only defol I have done to this plant. I took maybe six leaves, that's it. That's all it took for the moment.

She drinks a gallon of water right now every other day. I have been tinkering with non-organic additives, and this girl has gotten a few, including, at various times and in various combinations depending on when:

- Terpinator
- Blackstrap organic unsulphured molasses
- Open Sesame (FF nute line)
- Beastie Bloomz (FF nute line)
- Weed Easy (Blue Planet seaweed supplement)
- Calmag plus iron
- Mychorrhizae (top dress one time)
- Grow Big (FF nute line)
- Boost (Canna nute line)
- 40% mono-silicic acid (in veg only)

Many of those were used just once, some continue. I'm getting better at not screwing up my plant with my non-organic tinkering. This plant doesn't have the slightest blemish. I have never fed them any non-organics without following it up with several clean water only waterings. They are sparsely used and hopefully targeted.

So here she is, from the top and the side, with a bud closeup and a shot of her huge upper middle mass of buds.

Enjoy. Thanks for stopping by!

 

[InTheShed]

I'm curious why you have variously added so many different nutrient supplements to this water-only soil over the course of the grow? Does it not live up to your expectations on its own?

 

[cjsbabygirl313]

A New Approach
Focus: Dos Si Dos #1
Day 44
7 Gallon Pot
Sohum Living Soil

The group shots of all the plants are getting cumbersome to my eye. They all end up looking like just a garden of green. That's great, but let's get to know these girls a bit closer. Tonight will start a once a night, one at a time focus on each individual plant in the outdoor grow until we get to the end of them. That ought to change it up a bit.

I think thats a pretty cool approach
… and you’re right; unless there’s something that makes a plant stand out (color, structure, genetic oddity), they all kinda run together.

Meet Dos Si Dos #1 up close and personal. She's a beast. I am a big fan of Sohum soil, and if you want an easy grow, it doesn't get any easier than Sohum. If you want, it's literally as easy as plant it and water it. No nutes. I ph to 6.3 just cuz I'm hyper, but you could simply water from your tap in most cases and have no issues. It is forgiving, super easy, and drains extremely well. I hypothesize that it makes plants that tend to have darker leaves as well, as that's been my experience with it, and this plant is a good example of that, although it may not show that way in the pictures. This is just observational, not "scientific." I have yet to have a plant in Sohum have an issue, and as reference, if you followed my indoor tent grow at all, that colorful, purple Slurricane was grown in Sohum. Plants taste very organic from it as well, you can taste a freshness in the weed that isn't there in FF grows (I love the flavors FF produces too, don't get me wrong, it just tastes different....). I have found that my autos at least tend to stay green all the way to the very end, with usually very little if any fade. This plant obviously loves it.

She does look she’s liking the Sohum. Similar question as Shed though: what made you add the non-organics in the first place? Curiosity? Deficiency? Other?

 

[Jon]

I'm curious why you have variously added so many different nutrient supplements to this water-only soil over the course of the grow? Does it not live up to your expectations on its own?

Because over the course of the 25 autos or so I've grown by now, many in Sohum, I have learned, at least I believe I have learned, when the plants can take more of something and when they can't. I believe the microbes will do all the work just fine, and that's great. Or, one can make the choice I make, which is to try and get them as big and juicy as I can. My experience tells me they add to size, flavor, and density/trichomes/terpenes, especially in Sohum. I do no such thing with any of the Geoflora plants. But Sohum I do, and I go at it hard, and a lot of it is flying blind. I fully admit it.

Then I look at my plants and I also believe they speak for themselves.

So feel free to pick apart why I'm being an idiot if you like, lol. But I'll put my autos up against anyone's. Not to be an asshole, but that's honestly why. I am attempting superstar buds, not just plain Sohum soil buds.

So I guess the short answer is, yes, they do, but since I can make them better and more, why not try? I'd rather lose a plant or compromise some to learn - the sacrifice if it happens is well worth the learning to me. So far all four of these outdoor autos are phenomenal and deficiency and blemish free. Every leaf. So I can tell simply by observation and experience that whether it's cuz I'm just lucky or I know just enough, on these four autos at least I am pushing the right buttons at this time.

 

[InTheShed]

Because over the course of the 25 autos or so I've grown by now, many in Sohum, I have learned, at least I believe I have learned, when the plants can take more of something and when they can't. I believe the microbes will do all the work just fine, and that's great. Or, one can make the choice I make, which is to try and get them as big and juicy as I can. My experience tells me they add to size, flavor, and density/trichomes/terpenes, especially in Sohum. I do no such thing with any of the Geoflora plants. But Sohum I do, and I go at it hard, and a lot of it is flying blind. I fully admit it.

Then I look at my plants and I also believe they speak for themselves.

So feel free to pick apart why I'm being an idiot if you like, lol. But I'll put my autos up against anyone's. Not to be an asshole, but that's honestly why. I am attempting superstar buds, not just plain Sohum soil buds.

So I guess the short answer is, yes, they do, but since I can make them better and more, why not try? I'd rather lose a plant or compromise some to learn - the sacrifice if it happens is well worth the learning to me. So far all four of these outdoor autos are phenomenal and deficiency and blemish free. Every leaf. So I can tell simply by observation and experience that whether it's cuz I'm just lucky or I know just enough, on these four autos at least I am pushing the right buttons at this time.

The reason I asked the question is because you started by saying that you were a big fan of Sohum soil, but you went on to list the 7 synthetic products you add throughout the grow. That made me think that maybe Sohum was ho hum, since with that list you probably grow just as well in Fox farms soil, which is less expensive.

Also, are you saying that you prefer synthetic nute buds to organic ones? So many organic growers say that nothing can beat organic buds. Though it's not like they're going to say anything else.

 

[Jon]

The reason I asked the question is because you started by saying that you were a big fan of Sohum soil, but you went on to list the 7 synthetic products you add throughout the grow. That made me think that maybe Sohum was ho hum, since with that list you probably grow just as well in Fox farms soil, which is less expensive.

Also, are you saying that you prefer synthetic nute buds to organic ones? So many organic growers say that nothing can beat organic buds. Though it's not like they're going to say anything else.

Honestly, to answer your second question, I would have to say I don't have enough experience yet to make that determination so any answer I gave you would be BS. I will say that yes, I like Sohum. I love it by itself. That's how I started the post talking about it. There just wasn't much to say about it by itself other than the ease and effectiveness that I mentioned. So then I switched to additives to finish out the post. I figure it's a grow journal, a record of my grow, and even if nobody ever read a word I wrote I want the information in there for me. These journals are my record too, it's not like I have it all written and printed out. (lol - I did on my first grow, I'll send it to you, you might get a kick out of it cuz every rookie mistake in the world is in there. If you have enough interest message me your email and if not that's totally cool I get it).

So to clarify, I've done this in my growing "career" with Sohum:

- Used just plain Sohum with 6.3 water and no nutes except two shots or so of calmag. I grew several plants like this.
- Used Sohum with organic additives, ie, mycorrhizae, seaweed supplement, Grow Big (only OMRI in the FF first three ingredients), and molasses, but not any non-organic or natural stuff.
- Used Sohum with all the above plus various non-organic additives as I tinkered...varying results....not enough knowledge to be tinkering really but now pretty comfortable with it....cost me the Chunkadelic quality imho....made plenty of mistakes....etc....a work in progress....but all I was saying in the post was that in this grow and at this point I have a system of additives, approximately, that I pretty much KNOW work with autos in Sohum at specific times and so far in this grow I have made zero mistakes and everything I've done I believe has helped because the plants are all jamming like madwomen.

So I guess I'm saying I feel I have enough experience with various incarnations of using Sohum to talk about it a little bit. I probably should have included some of the above bullet points so people understood my experience with it, and it would have been better if I had made the point about how FLEXIBLE Sohum is. I mean, look at the above and what I've messed around with. Since you've "known" me, or anyone else here has, (since I joined 420), out of every plant I've grown using any of the above "methodolgies," I've only completely F'ed up 3 autos tinkering out of about 23 at last count since I started growing. That was well worth the price of admission, because now I have my autos with plenty of juicy ass microbes and plenty of juicy ass complimentary other stuff and all four of them are practically show plants if I'm being honest.

I know I'm not giving you any science or white papers but personally, I believe strongly in observation. It is where science begins.

I hope that helps to clarify. Thanks for asking/conversation. I always learn when I "talk" with you.

 

[InTheShed]

I know I'm not giving you any science or white papers

I'd never ask for a white paper unless you told us there was one.

 

[Rexer]

I think it's a great thing to tinker around and try different things. It's nice to venture out of your comfort zone- and this hydro project with Bill is exactly that


And as for the whole organic vs synthetic argument/debate....I'd say that there is a taste difference, but I've only noticed it when running a sterile grow.

 

[Jon]

Focus: Strawberry Lemonade Fast Flowering Photo
Flower/Stretch Day 6

Here's her facts:

- 3 gallon pot
- Coco
- Currently on Week 5 of FF Feed Chart (first week 5 feed today) with zero adjustments and zero variation except a one week period in veg when @Bill284 told me to up their nutes 25% across the board for a few feedings, so I did as he commanded. Only thing I missed (so far, lol) was one foliar spray.
- 100% untrained
- 100% non-defoliated (except the starter leaves, if you count them, lol)
- Veg was 10/sun and 10/LED under the @Mars Hydro FC-E6500 rig for around 40 days
- I did not leave them in the rain on rainy days during veg cuz I doubted rainwater was 5.8, don't know if it mattered, but for those few days (less than 7 in the plant's whole life) she stayed in the rig the whole 20 hours, obviously I have that choice no longer
- She drinks a half gallon first thing in the morning and another half gallon around 2 in the afternoon, depending on how much direct sun that day, but that's about average at this time
- She has several fan leaves larger than my hand

Here she is from side, a shot of the top growth where you can see the gorgeous color they begin and end at on new growth, and a shot of a couple branches that represent her fairly well. These pictures were taken intentionally right before her afternoon feeding. This is her NOT praying, and about when she starts looking at me and tapping her goddamn watch...