Jon705's Multi Strain HPS LED Hybrid System

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fishy is right about the Phosphorous and someone mentioned the magic numbers. and how it works

Air is full of moving particles. As humidity increases the amount of particles also increase. When temperatures rise these particles become more active. The combination of the two will increase static pressure.

This pressure will make it increasingly more difficult for your plants to breathe. This asphyxiation will increase until they suffocate at 55% humidity and 100ºF, or 70% humidity and 90ºF.

Vegetating plants grow best in a 55% - 65% humid & 70º-75ºF environment.

Flowering plants grow best in a 35% - 45% humid & 68º-72ºF environment.
 
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Another tip is CO2 levels are naturally higher at night which benefits plants so if you can you should light your plants during most of the midnight hours and into the early morning and let your plants sleep when CO2 levels are lower in the afternoon
 
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jon I use RO water. and I personally hate using pH up or pH down its an unnecessary chemical that isn't good for your plants either. what I do is mix all my nutes in in a 5 gallon bucket starting with one gallon of water and I take a pH reading. after that I add water by the gallon until I get the pH level I want then mix all my water mixes at that level. then its only nutes and water that get delivered to the plants
Ok I ll mix all the nutes and Zone first on the next res change and then adjust as needed to get the ph to 5.5 for veg, im running hydro bro so I ll probably still have to adjust a bit.

fishy is right about the Phosphorous and someone mentioned the magic numbers. and how it works

Air is full of moving particles. As humidity increases the amount of particles also increase. When temperatures rise these particles become more active. The combination of the two will increase static pressure.

This pressure will make it increasingly more difficult for your plants to breathe. This asphyxiation will increase until they suffocate at 55% humidity and 100ºF, or 70% humidity and 90ºF.

Vegetating plants grow best in a 55% - 65% humid & 70º-75ºF environment.

Flowering plants grow best in a 35% - 45% humid & 68º-72ºF environment.
I just set the humidity at 55% and dropped the temps a bit to 75 degrees, I have complete control of the enviroment in there, I can set the rh and temps literally anywhere I want now, the problem was there is so little info on led growing out there that I couldnt find much on the right conditions for using them.Most of what I found said 40% rh 85 degrees so thats what I did last round and I got good results, 7.75 pds but ive seen your grows so I ll try it your way.This exact same issue happened at the same time last round right after transplant, same nutes just different system, after a week or so the plants just corrected themselves and looked great...so I dont understand how its a defficiency BPN is definetly a quality product and I was running it full strength so how is there a P defficiency?

Another tip is CO2 levels are naturally higher at night which benefits plants so if you can you should light your plants during most of the midnight hours and into the early morning and let your plants sleep when CO2 levels are lower in the afternoon
right now Im running 18/6, the lights come on at 2pm and turn off at 8 am and my room is sealed, no air coming in or out exept for the vented hps which is a closed circuit, the air going through the lights never touches the air in the room.From what I understand the plants dont use co2 at night, only when the lights are on, isnt it a part of photosinthesis?Because the room is sealed I supplement co2 at 1000 ppm during veg and 1200-1500ppm during flower but only with the lights on, the ppm's are still around 600 when the lights turn on.
Thanks for all the info bro, hopfully this all helps, I just dont get how theres a P defficiency with me running BPN High yield system at full strength, theres lots of P in it. Soon I ll have a duplicate system for veg so there should be no transplant shock at all when I move them into the flower room, I think this has to be part of it because it happened right at the same time last round, a little over a week after transplant.
 
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Good weed and happy Sativaday Jon:)
 
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with a reverse osmosis system you need to supplement with a calcium and magnesium product to make up for what is now lacking in the water. i have read that it is best to discontinue calcium and magnesium supplementation for the last 3 weeks of flower to allow enough time for the calcium to dissipate from the buds.
 
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with a reverse osmosis system you need to supplement with a calcium and magnesium product to make up for what is now lacking in the water. i have read that it is best to discontinue calcium and magnesium supplementation for the last 3 weeks of flower to allow enough time for the calcium to dissipate from the buds.
I have a jug of cal/mag and a tub of epson salt on standby if needed but Corey said he uses ro water and doesnt add cal/mag but with the leds its better to have it:)
 
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ok so I just got back from thre hydro shop, Ive installed the half gph drippers hopefully they dont clog up to quick, I also picked up a bag of #4 Mono Potasium Phosphate powder that is hydro friendly, has anybody used this before? the plants look worse today so Im willing to try anything at this point, it says 5/8ths of a tsp per gallon for veg but should I use that much if im already running BPN at full strength?
 
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jon I been looking into this more and moving your plants into a cold soil could be the reason for the def. it could also be too much I think magnesium or nitrogen still looking into it but, that would make your plants look as if the are P def. cause the blend is too high
 
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fishy is right about the Phosphorous and someone mentioned the magic numbers. and how it works

Air is full of moving particles. As humidity increases the amount of particles also increase. When temperatures rise these particles become more active. The combination of the two will increase static pressure.

This pressure will make it increasingly more difficult for your plants to breathe. This asphyxiation will increase until they suffocate at 55% humidity and 100ºF, or 70% humidity and 90ºF.

Vegetating plants grow best in a 55% - 65% humid & 70º-75ºF environment.

Flowering plants grow best in a 35% - 45% humid & 68º-72ºF environment.

I should mention that the numbers are ranges and vary depending on the Region that you live in. so you kind of got to dial it in and play with it till you find what works best. and Higher Co2 ranges will allow you to run at warmer temps without killing your plants. however it doesn't give you much room and I feel its best to not flirt with disaster
 
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Im in Northern ontario bro, the weird thing is as far as the mix goes nothings changed from when they were in the table and last round the same thing happened and I didnt have a chiller so the res was the same temp too, the change in systems has to have something to do with this, going from a flood and drain system that only floods for 15 min every 4 hrs lights on to a recirculating bucket system that until today had a unrestricted high flow 24\7.the roots in the table look nothing like the roots buckets.Im running the micro and veg at 80% and the bloom at 100% for more P since last night but im tempted to change it again and mix everything in first before I adjust ph, cant hurt...what do you think of the Potasium phosphate powder? should I give it a try or just do the res change and wait a few days to see what happens?
 
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Personally I am torn. I don't like changing the nute mix a lot. I like to keep it steady as possible cause the plants like it that way however you are also all turned around from the RO water switch and the pH up down that you use also. I as I mentioned I hate that stuff too. So I would do what you thought to do and mix your nutes and dulite it down with RO water till you hit the pH you want in the res and redo it and run with a fresh batch that you know is good on pH and your ppms. And see how that worked for out for you. I also run A hydro type system. It looks like soil but I flood the root zone so it acts like hydro. Its a pseudo hydro mix or a hybrid soil hydro mix however you want to look at it.
 
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jon I use RO water. and I personally hate using pH up or pH down its an unnecessary chemical that isn't good for your plants either. what I do is mix all my nutes in in a 5 gallon bucket starting with one gallon of water and I take a pH reading. after that I add water by the gallon until I get the pH level I want then mix all my water mixes at that level. then its only nutes and water that get delivered to the plants
reps on the way for this one bro, I did a res change and added the full BPN line to the RO water at 70% of recomended strength and 5 tsp of the Phosphate powder(recomendations are 1/2 tsp per gallon for veg) I think I ll start off light with it and see what happens. The ph is sitting at 5.8 and the ppm's are 900 without any adjusting at all! So I might have to adjust when I up the nutes or add fresh water to the res once they really start to drink but not much, this is very cool!

PS: looks like I have to spread the love around a bit but I wont forget:)
 
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reps on the way for this one bro, I did a res change and added the full BPN line to the RO water at 70% of recomended strength and 5 tsp of the Phosphate powder(recomendations are 1/2 tsp per gallon for veg) I think I ll start off light with it and see what happens. The ph is sitting at 5.8 and the ppm's are 900 without any adjusting at all! So I might have to adjust when I up the nutes or add fresh water to the res once they really start to drink but not much, this is very cool!

PS: looks like I have to spread the love around a bit but I wont forget:)

Glad to be of service. :)
 
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Another tip is CO2 levels are naturally higher at night which benefits plants so if you can you should light your plants during most of the midnight hours and into the early morning and let your plants sleep when CO2 levels are lower in the afternoon

Never mind...LOL! I am reminded of back home jon.......man, I like the feeling!
 
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good weed Jon and family:)
 
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Im going to give these indoor girls a week to start showing some serious recovery, if the new growth doesnt look alot better 7 days from now im going to pull them and bring the big outdoor girls inside and flip to 12/12 emediately, the chances of all but the Jack which is a 7 weeker finishing is pretty slim because of the 100% humidity and cold nights around here in the fall but im really hoping they do recover:)
 
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