Jon705's Multi Strain HPS LED Hybrid System

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FYI, I was joking about air layering the very top and putting that into the ground. :blalol:

The idea occurred to me and I thought it would be interesting to try, but I'm not sure it would work they way I/we think. It might, but I'm thinking gravitropism is going to affect the outcome. To make the idea work, you would probably need to let that main top grow well above the rest of the plant. Then tie it down, well below the other branches, before applying the air layering apparatus. If you tried to just cover the top and get it to root, I think it would just grow it's way out of whatever you tried to attach to it.

Still a fun idea to try, but I highly doubt it will prove beneficial. Do you think it's more efficient for the plant to use resources building a second root mass, and all the plumbing to get those resources to the rest of the plant, or use those same resources expanding the existing root structure. I'm of the opinion that nature has probably already found the most effective solution. :MoreNutes:
 
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i agree, plus like i said in a previous post the nutes and water flows one way, so from the base to the top of the plant, so i dont think roots at the top of the plant would do much good, if anything, maybe it would just make the original plant stop growing and the branches to grow upwards and the top of the plant would then become its own plant and grow as a new plant, so i dont think that would be of much use,

i do how ever think that rooting lower branches so that they can still grow from the original root mass and then have roots where its air layered, you could do this with 4 or 5 lower branches, it might mean having some raised pots for the branches to take root in but once they rooted it might benefit the plant, it might not but more roots means more growth, the bigger the root mass the bigger the plant, at the very least it should make the buds on the air layered branches much bigger, but again it could just turn these side branches into their own plants,

its something i will test but i dont have much room so could only air layer 1 or 2 branches if i was going to leave them on the plant,

one thing i am going to try this time is what hiker said, im sure it was hiker, id need to go back a page cuz ive slept since then, but i think hiker suggested that the way i got roots on my hempie stem just by giving it dark might be a good option for air layering, so when my new plants are a bit bigger ill give that a try, ill just wrap growing medium around the stem, make sure its dark, i wont use root hormones ill just use growing medium wrapped up and kept dark, i could run side by side tests on the same plant and see which method produces roots the quickest, if they work out the same then i think hikers idea would be the one i used,

im just wondering if all the guides scrape the stem so it makes it root quicker, if not then the guides can be re-written, so reps for the idea hiker, not sure why i never thought of it myself but a fresh set of eyes brings fresh ideas, after all all i did with the hempie was cover the pot with newspaper to stop gnats laying eggs in the growing medium, it was covered for just over 2 weeks, then when uncovered their was about 10 to 20 spikes sticking out the stem with small roots coming off the ends, if i left it covered these roots would of hit the growing medium but i never did this,

so ill give this a try with air layering, you might not even need much growing medium, my roots where growing in the air so clearly dark and humid conditions make roots grow even with no growing medium,
so will be good to see how it works,
 
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I'm sure the hormones and scraping do help. As the plant tries to repair itself, those new cells can become new stem, or new root. My objection was to cut entirely around. That's really the only part I don't like. :)
 
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Well its that time of the week again Jon. good friedday:)
 
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You could grow a plant, top it very early, put it a good ways from the light so it stretched, then pull some branches down and pin em under the soil with the meristem exposed in other pots. You could have 4 pots around the cultivar and you would have 5 sets of roots in 5 different pots growing in conjunction with each other. Most of these techniques are fun and educational.....but rarely will they beat the good old aerocloner........I have done MANY soil and air layering projects.....all of them were simply exercises...it just takes too long. What needs to be done with hard to clone strains is to find the correct concentration of hormone to suit the particular cultivar....that is how it's done professionally, or at least that's how I was trained.
 
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jon705 said:
thats what I was describing Mcloadie, and like I said if I did try it it would strickly be out of plain old curiosity to see what a plant growing out of 5 pots at once would look like, sometimes experiments like that are the funnest ones:)
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Sorry bro, wake and bake...contemplate....LOL
 
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OUTDOOR UPDATE

I got tired of the rabbits eating my girls so I put up a fence around them, you can only get to them by going though the shed now.I ll be fencing in the other spot today too.
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Im not sure why the autos are stretching so much, that black fence is 5 feet high.
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victims of the rabbits
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photoperiods are doing great for the most part, a few of them have soome nute burn and leaves curling but its minor
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this is the other patch, I found a few slugs doing damage on the plants this morning so I ll be picking up something for that today.
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Thanks HMG, hopefully that toy is the last upgrade for awhile lol..ever since I installed the minisplit the co2 consumption has gone way down, I mean WAY down.I used to have it set at 4 to get the 1000ppm now its set at 1.5.So that portable was definetly sucking air somewhere.So Im not in a hurry for the burner anymore:)
 
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Im so f%#@!*%&^ing frustrated right now I cant even think strait! Most of you will remember the issue I had shortly after transplant into the big system last round, I blamed it on the bugbomb but now I have the exact same symtoms..again shortly after transplant.For the life of me nothing seems to make sense,here some pics.
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stems are getting redder by the minute, raised ridges on all of the leaves and serious cupping.Last round the plants just corrected themselves after a week but man I wish I knew what is causing this. Could it be as simple as shock from being transplanted from a flood and drain system into a recirculating system? Or the flow is too high?The only thing im doing different this round Is Zone and I cant see that being the problem so wtf is causing this to happen.Im doing a res change as we speak with the ro system, hopefully they start to look better soon, I cant afford a shitty round this time so if they dont recover soon im seriously considering ripping the system out of there and bringing the big outdoor girls back in and flowering them asap...
 
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Phosphorus
 
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jon705 said:
Heres the thing though, this is my first time using ro water so any tips from growers that use ro water would be greatly appreciated. Do I need to add cal and mag now, or only in flower?
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I dont have much experience using ro water, just been the last 12 months that I have been using it. For me this round I am giving them 5 ml.'s per gallon all the way thru flower up until about the 6th week and then none. I hope others will chime in and give there advice cause I dont want to fry up anyones plants. Mine look to be loving it but still I dont know for sure
 
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jon705 said:
Im so f%#@!*%&^ing frustrated right now I cant even think strait! Most of you will remember the issue I had shortly after transplant into the big system last round, I blamed it on the bugbomb but now I have the exact same symtoms..again shortly after transplant.For the life of me nothing seems to make sense,here some pics.
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stems are getting redder by the minute, raised ridges on all of the leaves and serious cupping.Last round the plants just corrected themselves after a week but man I wish I knew what is causing this. Could it be as simple as shock from being transplanted from a flood and drain system into a recirculating system? Or the flow is too high?The only thing im doing different this round Is Zone and I cant see that being the problem so wtf is causing this to happen.Im doing a res change as we speak with the ro system, hopefully they start to look better soon, I cant afford a shitty round this time so if they dont recover soon im seriously considering ripping the system out of there and bringing the big outdoor girls back in and flowering them asap...
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Sorry for so many posts lol.
Do you think its them being in so much water in the beginning when there used to being out in the open air? Maybe they are used to more oxygen being around the roots and now there kinda feeling like there drowning? Just a thought. I am sure you have plenty of air being diffused into your solution right? I know there are growers here that know of the "Magic Number" like what temps gives them the most oxygen. Sorry for not knowing how to word it better but like 69 degrees would have more disolved oxygen then say 80 degrees? I just using those numbers as an example.
I hope you figure it out so you dont have to deal with it anymore, I know it can be super frustrating to see your plants suffer.
 
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