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This looks incredibly interesting.Can't wait to see how it goes!
This looks incredibly interesting.Can't wait to see how it goes!
Jon705's Multi Strain HPS LED Hybrid System
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That's pretty sick bro, Reps just for showing us this. I hope it works out well
That's pretty sick bro, Reps just for showing us this. I hope it works out well
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Thanks guys, it was donpaul that brought this tecnique to my attention, I really like the idea of it but im sure its going to take some practice, but if I can figure it out then no more florescents no more humidity dome. I ll just have a couple nice size mothers under my little 250 MH that I use this tecnique on everytime I need clones.Im willing to bet once I figure this out the clones wont take anywhere near as long to recover from transplant into a system, then I can play around with it and figure out how big I can get them and still have it live once its cut from the plant, I figure a 12-14 inch clone will work
Thanks guys, it was donpaul that brought this tecnique to my attention, I really like the idea of it but im sure its going to take some practice, but if I can figure it out then no more florescents no more humidity dome. I ll just have a couple nice size mothers under my little 250 MH that I use this tecnique on everytime I need clones.Im willing to bet once I figure this out the clones wont take anywhere near as long to recover from transplant into a system, then I can play around with it and figure out how big I can get them and still have it live once its cut from the plant, I figure a 12-14 inch clone will work
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I dont think it really matters what medium you use for air layering bro, whether its peatmoss, jiffy pellets or a rapid rooter, I like the rapid rooter because the stay together so I figure easier is best since I dont know what im doing yet lol
wow no property tax is pretty cool, nothing like that around here as far as I know but I live in a unorganized township which just means theres no garbage pick up and no sewage we bring our garbage to the dump 10 min away and were on a septic. Because of this my property tax with 5 acres is only $500 a year. So I will be looking for a lodge in an unorganized township which should'nd be very hard they're usually in the middle of nowhere.Hmmm.. I'm not sure I'm understanding how you're using the rapid rooters and air cloning. I'm pretty sold on my DIY clone machine. So cheap, easy, and simple. I'll probably never go back.
Wow. That sounds exactly like our goal! My wife worked in hotel sales for many years, and she misses it. We often talk about buying a little B&B or something, but lately we've been eye balling the exact same kind of thing you're looking for! There are a lot of them around our area too. We're not really in a position to do it now, but I'm estimating we will be ready in a couple years. You can be sure Mrs Hiker and I will come visit your lodge. I'm not a big fisherman, but I can appreciate the appeal of sitting in a little canoe on a lake smoking a fatty.
The house we're in was always intended to be turned into an income property. WA state has an interesting bit of tax law. You don't pay property taxes if you're over 65, so we're thinking this might not be a bad area to live out our days. If we're in the area, it will be easier to manage a rental in town. It's tough holding the place back in Flagstaff. I don't want to give it up though. I still miss NoAZ soooo much.
I dont think it really matters what medium you use for air layering bro, whether its peatmoss, jiffy pellets or a rapid rooter, I like the rapid rooter because the stay together so I figure easier is best since I dont know what im doing yet lol
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hi jon, its nice to see you giving that air layering a go,
their are a few different methods to do it, mine we pretty similar to that but i cut a circle around the stem with blade then about an inch below cut another circle around the stem then peeled the bit off inbetween the 2 cuts, but it is the exact same way you did it just a slightly different method, the stem has got 3 layers if i remember right, the outer layer is the soft layer, the next layer is the slightly harder layer and the inner layer is harder still, you scrape the first layer off exactly like you did and put the rooting gel on, it can be done without rooting gel as well but does take slightly longer,
one thing you need to make certain of is that the part you have covered does not get any light at all, it needs to be dark to make the roots grow, any light getting in will just make the stem heal and you will have no roots, so keep it dark and water every few days to keep it moist, you dont want it soaking wet but just moist like the soil it is grown in, so water it then leave it a day or 2 and just keep checking how moist it is and water when its starting to dry out, this should then make the roots grow, then when you got enough root mass you cut the branch and plant and your good to go,
now their is another method but this method i have not tried but is pretty similar to what you did, but instead of air layering its called soil layering, basically you do the same as above but instead of wrapping something round the stem you put a raised pot below the branch and then put rooting gel on the part you scraped back, then you use the raised pot thats filled with soil to put the branch in, i think this would work well if you cut 2 slits in the top of the pot so the branch could be dropped into the slot then fill with soil so the branch is covered in soil and then branch is then growing out of either side of the pot,
so with soil layering you dont wrap the branch in anything, you just scrape back the first layer, put rooting gel on, then id cut 2 squares in the top of the pot opposite each other, then id make sure the branch fits in the 2 slots and about 2 inches below the top of the pot, then cover with compost or grow medium and then it should root, after its rooted cut the branch at the end that goes to the plant and then it will be growing in its own pot,
its basically the same as what you have done but you dont need to transplant after as its all ready in the pot.
but its not a method i have used, their is no reason it shouldnt work as its basically the same as what your doing but just with an extra pot,
air layering is perfect for plants that are very hard to clone, soil layering would also be the same idea but ive not used it so cant say if it works as well or better than the method above,
just make sure the area wrapped up gets no light, as mine was done in the grow room and was getting light i used cardboard and make a small like square with a slit in it, then placed this over the stem so it was totally dark, then when i watered i just removed the small box and watered in the top till some dripped out the bottom then placed the box over again.
what i have found also works with hard to clone plants is to take small clones, say 2 inches in length in total, when you take the clone cut stem at 45 degree angle, i then use a very clean sharp knife and cut slits in the bottom of the clone so their running up the clone about 2 or 3 ml, its best to do this under water then put in rooting gel for about 20seconds, i then poke a whole in soil with a match and push the clone in so less than an inch is above ground, now instead of using a big cloner which is best suited for easy to clone plants i use small plastic measuring cups, you know the type you get at chemist for measuring like kids cough medicine, their about 2 to 3 inches high, i place this over the clone as its only big enough for one clone, now these little plastic cups keep the moisture level a lot higher than bigger cloners, using this method i get 100% clone success,
let me take a picture and ill show you my clones,
give me few minutes
hi jon, its nice to see you giving that air layering a go,
their are a few different methods to do it, mine we pretty similar to that but i cut a circle around the stem with blade then about an inch below cut another circle around the stem then peeled the bit off inbetween the 2 cuts, but it is the exact same way you did it just a slightly different method, the stem has got 3 layers if i remember right, the outer layer is the soft layer, the next layer is the slightly harder layer and the inner layer is harder still, you scrape the first layer off exactly like you did and put the rooting gel on, it can be done without rooting gel as well but does take slightly longer,
one thing you need to make certain of is that the part you have covered does not get any light at all, it needs to be dark to make the roots grow, any light getting in will just make the stem heal and you will have no roots, so keep it dark and water every few days to keep it moist, you dont want it soaking wet but just moist like the soil it is grown in, so water it then leave it a day or 2 and just keep checking how moist it is and water when its starting to dry out, this should then make the roots grow, then when you got enough root mass you cut the branch and plant and your good to go,
now their is another method but this method i have not tried but is pretty similar to what you did, but instead of air layering its called soil layering, basically you do the same as above but instead of wrapping something round the stem you put a raised pot below the branch and then put rooting gel on the part you scraped back, then you use the raised pot thats filled with soil to put the branch in, i think this would work well if you cut 2 slits in the top of the pot so the branch could be dropped into the slot then fill with soil so the branch is covered in soil and then branch is then growing out of either side of the pot,
so with soil layering you dont wrap the branch in anything, you just scrape back the first layer, put rooting gel on, then id cut 2 squares in the top of the pot opposite each other, then id make sure the branch fits in the 2 slots and about 2 inches below the top of the pot, then cover with compost or grow medium and then it should root, after its rooted cut the branch at the end that goes to the plant and then it will be growing in its own pot,
its basically the same as what you have done but you dont need to transplant after as its all ready in the pot.
but its not a method i have used, their is no reason it shouldnt work as its basically the same as what your doing but just with an extra pot,
air layering is perfect for plants that are very hard to clone, soil layering would also be the same idea but ive not used it so cant say if it works as well or better than the method above,
just make sure the area wrapped up gets no light, as mine was done in the grow room and was getting light i used cardboard and make a small like square with a slit in it, then placed this over the stem so it was totally dark, then when i watered i just removed the small box and watered in the top till some dripped out the bottom then placed the box over again.
what i have found also works with hard to clone plants is to take small clones, say 2 inches in length in total, when you take the clone cut stem at 45 degree angle, i then use a very clean sharp knife and cut slits in the bottom of the clone so their running up the clone about 2 or 3 ml, its best to do this under water then put in rooting gel for about 20seconds, i then poke a whole in soil with a match and push the clone in so less than an inch is above ground, now instead of using a big cloner which is best suited for easy to clone plants i use small plastic measuring cups, you know the type you get at chemist for measuring like kids cough medicine, their about 2 to 3 inches high, i place this over the clone as its only big enough for one clone, now these little plastic cups keep the moisture level a lot higher than bigger cloners, using this method i get 100% clone success,
let me take a picture and ill show you my clones,
give me few minutes
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ive only used regular compost for air layering and it worked, might of taken longer or could of been quicker but never tried nothing else as i only had compost to use, so just soaked some compost then squashed it around the stem, i then wrapped it in cling film and left it to do its thing, im just uploading the pics now of the way i have taken clones and still take clones with 100% success, i find clones with bigger stems need a lot more moisture and i was struggling to get them to grow roots, but i decided to try this other method and it works even without rooting gel, years ago when i first grew i never knew about rooting gel and took clones and they still rooted even without the rooting gels,
so they will root without it as long as conditions are right,
for instance i was growing a 2ltr dwc hempie and the top part that the plant is held in i had to cover as i had a fungus gnat problem, so covered the top part with news paper so that just the stem was growing out the news paper, about 3inches of stem was below the paper between the paper and the grow medium, i covered it to stop flies getting in and laying eggs as the 2ltr dwc hempe they seemed to prefer and as you water the plants using the res the top could stay covered, well after about 3 weeks i got rid of the bugs and i took the paper off, then i was shocked to see loads of spikes sticking out of the stem basically starting below the paper and all the way down to the growing medium, so as long as the stem is went and humid then it will grow roots without no rooting gel, ill try and find pics of that as well, i thought it was strange as the roots was just growing in the air, it was totally dark, they was not in any sort of medium they was just long spikes sticking out with fine roots growing out the end and hanging down towards the grow medium,
ive only used regular compost for air layering and it worked, might of taken longer or could of been quicker but never tried nothing else as i only had compost to use, so just soaked some compost then squashed it around the stem, i then wrapped it in cling film and left it to do its thing, im just uploading the pics now of the way i have taken clones and still take clones with 100% success, i find clones with bigger stems need a lot more moisture and i was struggling to get them to grow roots, but i decided to try this other method and it works even without rooting gel, years ago when i first grew i never knew about rooting gel and took clones and they still rooted even without the rooting gels,
so they will root without it as long as conditions are right,
for instance i was growing a 2ltr dwc hempie and the top part that the plant is held in i had to cover as i had a fungus gnat problem, so covered the top part with news paper so that just the stem was growing out the news paper, about 3inches of stem was below the paper between the paper and the grow medium, i covered it to stop flies getting in and laying eggs as the 2ltr dwc hempe they seemed to prefer and as you water the plants using the res the top could stay covered, well after about 3 weeks i got rid of the bugs and i took the paper off, then i was shocked to see loads of spikes sticking out of the stem basically starting below the paper and all the way down to the growing medium, so as long as the stem is went and humid then it will grow roots without no rooting gel, ill try and find pics of that as well, i thought it was strange as the roots was just growing in the air, it was totally dark, they was not in any sort of medium they was just long spikes sticking out with fine roots growing out the end and hanging down towards the grow medium,
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heres the pics of my clones and how small i now do them, i found bigger clones where a bit hit and miss as i dont have a loner, i will build a bubble cloner as im told these work better than most so will build one out of old plastic box and see how it works, but these pics below will show you how big my clones are and what i use to make sure they grow roots
this pic of the 1st clone is a monster cropped clone, it was taken late in flower from a lower branch, its about 10 days old and has started to grow new leaf so i guess its not growing roots but ill keep the cup over for a few more days
now this pic shows the size of the clone and the size of the cup i use, its one of those small medicine plastic cups, you can see by the condensation how moist it keeps the clone, when i used a bigger tub and had many clones in one tub i found moisture levels didnt stay high enough and clones would die or take forever to root, using this method i have not had any problems and all clones rooted
now i have not sprayed the clone or watered it in well over a week, i find using these small domes means i dont need to keep spraying the clone to keep it moist,
these below are rooted clones, these dont have anything over them now,
more of the same, these are roughly 2 weeks old and really started to grow now
all these clones where taken in flower so will be monster cropped plants,
the nods will be very close and branch growth will be crazy, a great idea if you want bushy plants or are doing a scrog
this below is not a clone but thought id show you a revegged plant in case anyone wonders how much bud to leave on or how it works, this is about 2 weeks old so new growth has just started and all the weird leaves are just starting to grow,
heres the pics of my clones and how small i now do them, i found bigger clones where a bit hit and miss as i dont have a loner, i will build a bubble cloner as im told these work better than most so will build one out of old plastic box and see how it works, but these pics below will show you how big my clones are and what i use to make sure they grow roots
this pic of the 1st clone is a monster cropped clone, it was taken late in flower from a lower branch, its about 10 days old and has started to grow new leaf so i guess its not growing roots but ill keep the cup over for a few more days
now this pic shows the size of the clone and the size of the cup i use, its one of those small medicine plastic cups, you can see by the condensation how moist it keeps the clone, when i used a bigger tub and had many clones in one tub i found moisture levels didnt stay high enough and clones would die or take forever to root, using this method i have not had any problems and all clones rooted
now i have not sprayed the clone or watered it in well over a week, i find using these small domes means i dont need to keep spraying the clone to keep it moist,
these below are rooted clones, these dont have anything over them now,
more of the same, these are roughly 2 weeks old and really started to grow now
all these clones where taken in flower so will be monster cropped plants,
the nods will be very close and branch growth will be crazy, a great idea if you want bushy plants or are doing a scrog
this below is not a clone but thought id show you a revegged plant in case anyone wonders how much bud to leave on or how it works, this is about 2 weeks old so new growth has just started and all the weird leaves are just starting to grow,
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im just wondering if when doing the cloning with the rooter and stuff if it would be quicker with a supercrop at the spot where the rooter is going or maybe half cutting the stem so that the plant sends some energy to that spot to try and repair it
im just wondering if when doing the cloning with the rooter and stuff if it would be quicker with a supercrop at the spot where the rooter is going or maybe half cutting the stem so that the plant sends some energy to that spot to try and repair it
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interesting idea, you mean with the air cloning instead of just scraping the outer layer off you are suggesting to super crop it at the same place or cut further into the stem, such as cutting a slit in the stem running the the length of the stem about 1cm or something similar,
never tried that but could be something i can try.
the idea is for the plant to carry on sending water and nutrients to the part your cloning so the plant continues to grow as normal but also grows roots out of the part you scraped back,
interesting idea though tm420, not something i thought of when i was air layering, but i guess it could help, ive not seen anyone use that method but its something i will try when i take my next round of clones, ill take 2 clones from the same plant, one with the normal air layer method above and ill also try what tm420 said and super crop at the same point, as long as you dont cut off the fluid to the part your cloning then it might just work and speed things up, it might not be im going to give it a try due to how super cropping works.
as long as the inner stem is not totally cut then the plant would still feed the rest of the clone, when i take my next clones ill give it a try,
reps for the idea tm420,
interesting idea, you mean with the air cloning instead of just scraping the outer layer off you are suggesting to super crop it at the same place or cut further into the stem, such as cutting a slit in the stem running the the length of the stem about 1cm or something similar,
never tried that but could be something i can try.
the idea is for the plant to carry on sending water and nutrients to the part your cloning so the plant continues to grow as normal but also grows roots out of the part you scraped back,
interesting idea though tm420, not something i thought of when i was air layering, but i guess it could help, ive not seen anyone use that method but its something i will try when i take my next round of clones, ill take 2 clones from the same plant, one with the normal air layer method above and ill also try what tm420 said and super crop at the same point, as long as you dont cut off the fluid to the part your cloning then it might just work and speed things up, it might not be im going to give it a try due to how super cropping works.
as long as the inner stem is not totally cut then the plant would still feed the rest of the clone, when i take my next clones ill give it a try,
reps for the idea tm420,
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Hi Jon and family!
first of all, I'm huge fan of your work and I am following your journals since the beginning!
I finally decide to sign in and post to ask you something.
After reading (again) your past grow, I can't find anywhere info if you are bubbling each bucket with airstone, or it's just the top drip and water flow back to res with the 3/4 lines ; how much water do you have in each bucket? You have 10" net pot, can i use 8"?
I want to build a similar system and get rid of my noisy air pump of the rdwc.
Thanks a lot for all the info and greetings for everyone from Chile!!
Hi Jon and family!
first of all, I'm huge fan of your work and I am following your journals since the beginning!
I finally decide to sign in and post to ask you something.
After reading (again) your past grow, I can't find anywhere info if you are bubbling each bucket with airstone, or it's just the top drip and water flow back to res with the 3/4 lines ; how much water do you have in each bucket? You have 10" net pot, can i use 8"?
I want to build a similar system and get rid of my noisy air pump of the rdwc.
Thanks a lot for all the info and greetings for everyone from Chile!!
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hi mrmatt, welcome to the 420mag site,
i grow several dwc grows and you are right about the pumps been noisy, but i have found that you can limit the noise by placing the pump on a small piece of carpet just bigger than the pump or a small piece of foam such as a sponge, this reduces noise loads, i have fish tanks and if i did not have soft surface under pump then it would drive me mad, but with some carpet or foam or sponge under the pump i cant here the noise of the pump i can just here the noise of the bubbles when i open the door to grow room,
if your using a big bucket then id go with one of those long air stones, or some of that tube foam that you usually hide under the gravel in a fash tank, this will give you a good spread of bubbles instead of having them centered in the middle.
im not the best to ask as ive not used the drip system so cant really comment on that method, but i know air pumps as i got fish tanks and dwc grows so found carpet or even hanging the pumps limits noise, if your not good at electrics or taking things apart then dont try this but im mechanically minded so took one of my pumps apart when it stopped putting out bubbles, i found the rubber valves had gone dry and was not sealing so used a bit of vasaline to put on the rubber parts then the pump worked better than it did when new and is still working,
i also noticed when i took it apart that their was some adjustment that could be made on the distance the pump vibrates, i found slightly adjusting this drastically reduced noise without compromising on air flow, all pumps might not have this adjustment but 2 of mine did so when i took them apart after they stopped working i messed around with the adjustment and managed to get them a lot less noisy.
hi mrmatt, welcome to the 420mag site,
i grow several dwc grows and you are right about the pumps been noisy, but i have found that you can limit the noise by placing the pump on a small piece of carpet just bigger than the pump or a small piece of foam such as a sponge, this reduces noise loads, i have fish tanks and if i did not have soft surface under pump then it would drive me mad, but with some carpet or foam or sponge under the pump i cant here the noise of the pump i can just here the noise of the bubbles when i open the door to grow room,
if your using a big bucket then id go with one of those long air stones, or some of that tube foam that you usually hide under the gravel in a fash tank, this will give you a good spread of bubbles instead of having them centered in the middle.
im not the best to ask as ive not used the drip system so cant really comment on that method, but i know air pumps as i got fish tanks and dwc grows so found carpet or even hanging the pumps limits noise, if your not good at electrics or taking things apart then dont try this but im mechanically minded so took one of my pumps apart when it stopped putting out bubbles, i found the rubber valves had gone dry and was not sealing so used a bit of vasaline to put on the rubber parts then the pump worked better than it did when new and is still working,
i also noticed when i took it apart that their was some adjustment that could be made on the distance the pump vibrates, i found slightly adjusting this drastically reduced noise without compromising on air flow, all pumps might not have this adjustment but 2 of mine did so when i took them apart after they stopped working i messed around with the adjustment and managed to get them a lot less noisy.
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Welcome mrmatt, theres only about 1.5 inches of water in the bottom of each bucket maybe less.The drain line is right at the bottom and the water doesnt rise any higher than that unless roots are getting into the drain lines, if they do just trim them back a bit.I have 2 six inch stones in my res, that combined with the continuous circulation and the chiller running 24/7 is plenty of o2 in the water.The temperature of your res also plays a big part in how much o2 is in the water, from what im seing this rd with the chiller the only regret I have is not getting one sooner lol... You can pretty much use any size net pot you want, ive seen growers use 6 inch netpots in 5 gallon pails but personally I like the big ones because they give the plant more support, theres 3 times as much medium for the roots to grab onto.I hope this helps
Welcome mrmatt, theres only about 1.5 inches of water in the bottom of each bucket maybe less.The drain line is right at the bottom and the water doesnt rise any higher than that unless roots are getting into the drain lines, if they do just trim them back a bit.I have 2 six inch stones in my res, that combined with the continuous circulation and the chiller running 24/7 is plenty of o2 in the water.The temperature of your res also plays a big part in how much o2 is in the water, from what im seing this rd with the chiller the only regret I have is not getting one sooner lol... You can pretty much use any size net pot you want, ive seen growers use 6 inch netpots in 5 gallon pails but personally I like the big ones because they give the plant more support, theres 3 times as much medium for the roots to grab onto.I hope this helps
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Thanks for the pics DP im try something simillar with the blue og right now with smaller clones im just waiting to see what happens. if I figure out the air layering I ll be trying it on the blue og next
Thanks for the pics DP im try something simillar with the blue og right now with smaller clones im just waiting to see what happens. if I figure out the air layering I ll be trying it on the blue og next
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Re air layering... I've not tried it yet, but this discussion made couple ideas occur to me.
First, rather than scraping, I wonder if just cutting slits might be enough. If you scrape all the way around the stem, you are girdling the stem. It will no longer be able to transport beyond that point. That would seem to be counter productive to the motivation for using this cloning method.
Second, I notice people usually bundle of the area real tight to keep it moist. This makes sense, but it looks like it would make it hard to water. What if you used a syringe?
Wrap your little bundle in some sort of opaque material such as black plastic. Rather than reopening, and exposing the delicate new roots to air and light, you could just shove a syringe into the bundle and inject water (I'd mix in some Superthrive too myself). I think this would work especially well with the rapid rooter plugs Jon is using. They have silca gel in them to help them retain water, so I wonder how often you would even need to add water if you wrapped it up tightly.
I couldn't see any advantage to this technique that made it more appealing than my little DIY cloner, but you brought up one scenario that it might prove useful. It might improve success with hard to clone plants. Although I still question the technique's value when I can take a tray of clones in the time it would take to prepare a few air clone sites. Even a hard to clone strain will usually clone if you wait long enough.
Again, I'm still keenly interested in the little experiment, and I can't say I won't try it too someday just out of intellectual curiosity.
Re air layering... I've not tried it yet, but this discussion made couple ideas occur to me.
First, rather than scraping, I wonder if just cutting slits might be enough. If you scrape all the way around the stem, you are girdling the stem. It will no longer be able to transport beyond that point. That would seem to be counter productive to the motivation for using this cloning method.
Second, I notice people usually bundle of the area real tight to keep it moist. This makes sense, but it looks like it would make it hard to water. What if you used a syringe?
Wrap your little bundle in some sort of opaque material such as black plastic. Rather than reopening, and exposing the delicate new roots to air and light, you could just shove a syringe into the bundle and inject water (I'd mix in some Superthrive too myself). I think this would work especially well with the rapid rooter plugs Jon is using. They have silca gel in them to help them retain water, so I wonder how often you would even need to add water if you wrapped it up tightly.
I couldn't see any advantage to this technique that made it more appealing than my little DIY cloner, but you brought up one scenario that it might prove useful. It might improve success with hard to clone plants. Although I still question the technique's value when I can take a tray of clones in the time it would take to prepare a few air clone sites. Even a hard to clone strain will usually clone if you wait long enough.
Again, I'm still keenly interested in the little experiment, and I can't say I won't try it too someday just out of intellectual curiosity.
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DonPaul, Jon, thanks for the quick reply.
I have try everything, hang it , sponge, foam etc..and I can still hear it and my wife can't stand it more.
So definitely, I will finish this round and build a mini jon's system (6 sites)
thanks a lot jon for all the info, priceless, and keep the good work!
DonPaul, Jon, thanks for the quick reply.
I have try everything, hang it , sponge, foam etc..and I can still hear it and my wife can't stand it more.
So definitely, I will finish this round and build a mini jon's system (6 sites)
thanks a lot jon for all the info, priceless, and keep the good work!
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lol...you must of missed a few pages Hiker thats why im trying this, I cant seem get the blue og to clone well, maybe 1 in 8 and Im using a syringe.I just want to see if I can clone big clones like this to save time. I thought it was an interesting tecnique so I figured what the hell, I ll give it a try and see what happens
lol...you must of missed a few pages Hiker thats why im trying this, I cant seem get the blue og to clone well, maybe 1 in 8 and Im using a syringe.I just want to see if I can clone big clones like this to save time. I thought it was an interesting tecnique so I figured what the hell, I ll give it a try and see what happens
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No worries bro glad I could helpDonPaul, Jon, thanks for the quick reply.
I have try everything, hang it , sponge, foam etc..and I can still hear it and my wife can't stand it more.
So definitely, I will finish this round and build a mini jon's system (6 sites)
thanks a lot jon for all the info, priceless, and keep the good work!
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Hmmm I think I did miss that you were having trouble cloning. That would be a good reason to try this.
I get what you're saying about trying to avoid some veg time, but I still think you're gonna have to give them time to build up enough roots to supply that big 'ol plant up top. I guess I kinda see this as trying to add the foundation under the house. We grow roots and the plants just happen. 
That's the best reason of all to try it! I'll probably try it some day too. I have a few little rockwools around, but I'm not gonna buy more RR's just for this.
Hmmm I think I did miss that you were having trouble cloning. That would be a good reason to try this.
I get what you're saying about trying to avoid some veg time, but I still think you're gonna have to give them time to build up enough roots to supply that big 'ol plant up top. I guess I kinda see this as trying to add the foundation under the house.
We grow roots and the plants just happen. I thought it was an interesting tecnique so I figured what the hell, I ll give it a try and see what happens
That's the best reason of all to try it! I'll probably try it some day too. I have a few little rockwools around, but I'm not gonna buy more RR's just for this.
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anybody have any suggestions for keeping rabits out of the garden besides fencing? I just found 0ne plant that was nothing but sticks and another with the bottom half of the vegetation eaten, my guess is rabbits..
anybody have any suggestions for keeping rabits out of the garden besides fencing? I just found 0ne plant that was nothing but sticks and another with the bottom half of the vegetation eaten, my guess is rabbits..
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im looking at this stuff called critter ridder, has anybody tried this product?
im looking at this stuff called critter ridder, has anybody tried this product?