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well dont be a stranger bro, I value your feedback
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hey jon what bpn products do you actually use, when i first started growing i started a journal on this site and i was using a product called baby bio, basically its an all in one liquid plant food for general household plants and my plants where suffering for it, i kept reading how good bpn was and i could clearly see the results growers where getting, anyway i was not working and the cost of delivery was more than the actual product itself so 2 growers on this site suprised me and paid for my bpn, they spoke with corey and he helped by letting them pay cost price and he helped with delivery costs,
corey is a top bloke and i spoke with him via email a few times about the feeding schedule i was using as he said the guide he has on his site is a basic generic guide for both soil and hydro grows and suitable for all strains so he said it can be adjusted slightly to suit the grow and plant types.
anyways i got sent the 3 part plus bloom booster and i been following the guide on his site, im pretty much out of the bloom so need to place an order and get some products to use, so just wondered what bpn products your using, i got the grow,micro,bloom and bloom booster, so before i place my order with corey i thought id ask about and see who is using what before i order anything as id like to order it all in one go due to the delivery charges,
the other thing i wanted to ask is that when the plants are in flower the feed guide says to still give a good level of micro nutes, i found this tends to keep the plants looking nice and green right up till harvest, i stop feeding the last 2 weeks and flush if needed but my leaves still look a decent green colour although slightly lighter green, so wasnt sure if their was some other feed schedule that growers are using, but ive been sticking with the 3part plus bloom booster guide on coreys site, the bloom booster doses have slightly increased since i wrote down the feeding schedule so i have ammended that but wondered if anyone had either used their own feed schedule or knew of another schedule for bpn nutes
ive only had 1 auto that had yellow leaves at the end of flower but i dont give autos to much dose of bpn as they just cant handle full strength nutes,
nice set up by the way, i went back to page one and had a good read, i got to admit your set up is one of the best i have seen, cant wait to see how this journal plays out,
hey jon what bpn products do you actually use, when i first started growing i started a journal on this site and i was using a product called baby bio, basically its an all in one liquid plant food for general household plants and my plants where suffering for it, i kept reading how good bpn was and i could clearly see the results growers where getting, anyway i was not working and the cost of delivery was more than the actual product itself so 2 growers on this site suprised me and paid for my bpn, they spoke with corey and he helped by letting them pay cost price and he helped with delivery costs,
corey is a top bloke and i spoke with him via email a few times about the feeding schedule i was using as he said the guide he has on his site is a basic generic guide for both soil and hydro grows and suitable for all strains so he said it can be adjusted slightly to suit the grow and plant types.
anyways i got sent the 3 part plus bloom booster and i been following the guide on his site, im pretty much out of the bloom so need to place an order and get some products to use, so just wondered what bpn products your using, i got the grow,micro,bloom and bloom booster, so before i place my order with corey i thought id ask about and see who is using what before i order anything as id like to order it all in one go due to the delivery charges,
the other thing i wanted to ask is that when the plants are in flower the feed guide says to still give a good level of micro nutes, i found this tends to keep the plants looking nice and green right up till harvest, i stop feeding the last 2 weeks and flush if needed but my leaves still look a decent green colour although slightly lighter green, so wasnt sure if their was some other feed schedule that growers are using, but ive been sticking with the 3part plus bloom booster guide on coreys site, the bloom booster doses have slightly increased since i wrote down the feeding schedule so i have ammended that but wondered if anyone had either used their own feed schedule or knew of another schedule for bpn nutes
ive only had 1 auto that had yellow leaves at the end of flower but i dont give autos to much dose of bpn as they just cant handle full strength nutes,
nice set up by the way, i went back to page one and had a good read, i got to admit your set up is one of the best i have seen, cant wait to see how this journal plays out,
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Thanks DP, this set up has been a work in progress for almost 2 years now. I use the whole High yield system, bloom micro grow liquid seaweed vitablue-b vitamine suplement early bloom booster late bloom booster and the micorizea.THe only thing I add is Dutch Masters Zone, my res is squeaky clean even with the micorizea powder in there.
Im doing an update tomorrow so you will see the ridiculous growth im getting top and bottom, ive never seen root growth this fast, the roots look like they have white fuzz growing off of them, and this is 6 days from transplant. I could'nt be happier with BPN, I honestly dont think I will try anything else, the liquid seaweed and vitablue and micorizea are what make this a complete system. I spend the same amount now using bpn even with shipping than I did buying GH and AN products locally, I definetly recomend you try the whole system, trust me its worth it bro.
I havent had to adjust BPN's feeding shedule at all so far, I follow it mil for mil
Thanks DP, this set up has been a work in progress for almost 2 years now. I use the whole High yield system, bloom micro grow liquid seaweed vitablue-b vitamine suplement early bloom booster late bloom booster and the micorizea.THe only thing I add is Dutch Masters Zone, my res is squeaky clean even with the micorizea powder in there.
Im doing an update tomorrow so you will see the ridiculous growth im getting top and bottom, ive never seen root growth this fast, the roots look like they have white fuzz growing off of them, and this is 6 days from transplant. I could'nt be happier with BPN, I honestly dont think I will try anything else, the liquid seaweed and vitablue and micorizea are what make this a complete system. I spend the same amount now using bpn even with shipping than I did buying GH and AN products locally, I definetly recomend you try the whole system, trust me its worth it bro.
I havent had to adjust BPN's feeding shedule at all so far, I follow it mil for mil
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ok cool thanks, im in europe so deliver cost more than i was actually sent so want to make sure i order it in one go as i have to pay import tax on it due to the weight unless corey labels it as a gift, then i should pay tax on delivery, im pretty sure he said he was not aware of that and will label it as gift next time,
ill go to his site and price up the products and see what it will cost me, im more than happy with the results so really dont want to use anything else, plus corey is always their to answer questions and he really knows what he is going on about,
thanks for the info ill go and price it all up and get an order placed when i get paid, ive not got much bloom left im ok with the others but its pointless just ordering bloom bottle when i will eventually need the others as well, so its best if i order it all in one go then i will have plenty to keep me going, i might double up on the bloom bottles as the feed guide says to use a lot more of this so if i double up i will have enough to last me a long time,
reps for the info my friend
ok cool thanks, im in europe so deliver cost more than i was actually sent so want to make sure i order it in one go as i have to pay import tax on it due to the weight unless corey labels it as a gift, then i should pay tax on delivery, im pretty sure he said he was not aware of that and will label it as gift next time,
ill go to his site and price up the products and see what it will cost me, im more than happy with the results so really dont want to use anything else, plus corey is always their to answer questions and he really knows what he is going on about,
thanks for the info ill go and price it all up and get an order placed when i get paid, ive not got much bloom left im ok with the others but its pointless just ordering bloom bottle when i will eventually need the others as well, so its best if i order it all in one go then i will have plenty to keep me going, i might double up on the bloom bottles as the feed guide says to use a lot more of this so if i double up i will have enough to last me a long time,
reps for the info my friend
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Thx Jon now I'm all hot and bothered on the full line, having good results for a newbie with just the three part system. Just starting to have to think about next Nute purchase.
Thx Jon now I'm all hot and bothered on the full line, having good results for a newbie with just the three part system. Just starting to have to think about next Nute purchase.
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give the high yield system a try bro, you wont reget it
give the high yield system a try bro, you wont reget it
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UPDATE
DAY 7 FROM TRANSPLANT
PH 5.8
ROOM TEMPS 78 LIGHTS ON 70 LIGHTS OFF
RES TEMPS 65 DEGREES
RH 45% CONSTANT
PH 5.8
PPM'S 920
CO2 900-1100 PPM
I havent adjusted the res or added water to it in 7 days now, the ppm's have been at 920 from day one and the ph has rose from 5.5 to 5.8.The water level has dropped 10 gallons in this time without the ppm's dropping.I dont think it can get any better than that
Everything is running well and the girls look great, I cant believe the difference having the res at exactly the right temp makes, the roots are just exploding out of the net pots now and they are so fuzzy it looks like some kind of mold or something growing on them.My roots have never looked like this with this system before and the growth up top is really tight and compact, the plants are alot stiffer and bushier this round and they are cold to the touch because the water is so cold, I cant wait for the ro system to get here hopefully its the coup de gras that really kicks the girls into overdrive
Full view
Both Jacks.these 2 plants were not quit as far along as the puprle kushes but they have settled in nicely and look very happy in they're new home.
This is the Blue OG, its the only plant in the room thats having some issues, Ive been removing quite a few lower fan leaves that seem to be drying out and have rust spots on them, im not sure whats causing this but I wont try to adjust the res when the other 14 plants are doing so well.Hopefully she straitens herself out.
and the rest are random shots of Purple Kush.This is my 4th time growing this strain out, and they really look different this round, the leaves look plump, like they're holding alot more water than usual or something.
and heres the roots,several of the plants already have roots in the water at the bottom of the buckets just 7 days from transplant!!
Thats about it for now, I ll get some pics up of the outdoor girls today sometime
UPDATE
DAY 7 FROM TRANSPLANT
PH 5.8
ROOM TEMPS 78 LIGHTS ON 70 LIGHTS OFF
RES TEMPS 65 DEGREES
RH 45% CONSTANT
PH 5.8
PPM'S 920
CO2 900-1100 PPM
I havent adjusted the res or added water to it in 7 days now, the ppm's have been at 920 from day one and the ph has rose from 5.5 to 5.8.The water level has dropped 10 gallons in this time without the ppm's dropping.I dont think it can get any better than that
Everything is running well and the girls look great, I cant believe the difference having the res at exactly the right temp makes, the roots are just exploding out of the net pots now and they are so fuzzy it looks like some kind of mold or something growing on them.My roots have never looked like this with this system before and the growth up top is really tight and compact, the plants are alot stiffer and bushier this round and they are cold to the touch because the water is so cold, I cant wait for the ro system to get here hopefully its the coup de gras that really kicks the girls into overdrive
Full view
Both Jacks.these 2 plants were not quit as far along as the puprle kushes but they have settled in nicely and look very happy in they're new home.
This is the Blue OG, its the only plant in the room thats having some issues, Ive been removing quite a few lower fan leaves that seem to be drying out and have rust spots on them, im not sure whats causing this but I wont try to adjust the res when the other 14 plants are doing so well.Hopefully she straitens herself out.
and the rest are random shots of Purple Kush.This is my 4th time growing this strain out, and they really look different this round, the leaves look plump, like they're holding alot more water than usual or something.
and heres the roots,several of the plants already have roots in the water at the bottom of the buckets just 7 days from transplant!!
Thats about it for now, I ll get some pics up of the outdoor girls today sometime
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I forgot to mention that im in Northern Canada and BPN is in Louisianna and Texas so im about as for away from them as you can get and still be on the same continent and I think the shipping cost are more than acceptable
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OUTDOOR UPDATE
Everything is just running on autopilot out here, some of these autos are over 3 feet tall and are just starting to flower, I think these are gonna be really big for auto's!The pics are all random theres way to many plants to label all the different strains.
this is the blue hash, it seems like it might be getting better but im not sure yet, at least its not getting any worse and its still growing very quickly.
the other patch with 42 autos.the mosquitos are deadly early in the morning so I took these pics quick and got out of there lol
OUTDOOR UPDATE
Everything is just running on autopilot out here, some of these autos are over 3 feet tall and are just starting to flower, I think these are gonna be really big for auto's!The pics are all random theres way to many plants to label all the different strains.
this is the blue hash, it seems like it might be getting better but im not sure yet, at least its not getting any worse and its still growing very quickly.
the other patch with 42 autos.the mosquitos are deadly early in the morning so I took these pics quick and got out of there lol
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Looking like a field of dreams Jon.
Looking like a field of dreams Jon.
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good garden and good weed Jon
good garden and good weed Jon
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Lol..its funny you said it like that bro, if this crop gives me the yield im hoping for it will pay for my growshop and fufill a dream ive had for years, so it really is a field of dreams
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Thanks Fishy, good weed to you my friend
good garden and good weed Jon
Thanks Fishy, good weed to you my friend
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very nice john, well done mate
you got some very nice looking ladies, cant wait to see this grow finish, going to be some amaing results
very nice john, well done mate
you got some very nice looking ladies, cant wait to see this grow finish, going to be some amaing results
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Thanks DP, I hope so bro
Thanks DP, I hope so bro
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Thanks for the reps Hiker
those roots are blowing me away!
Thanks for the reps Hiker
those roots are blowing me away!
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Your grows always look great Jon.
Someday I'd love to sit and talk shop with you while we burn one, or seven.
I was even telling the Mrs about you the other day. I think I'm about 6-9 months behind you on a similar path. It might be a little longer before I can get a dedicated workshop, but we have been out looking at places with 20+ acres.
Maybe I'll find my way up to northern Alberta one of these days.
Keep in mind that the root system needs to be large enough to support the vegetative growth above. This technique may allow for bigger clones, and perhaps minimize shock to some extent, but I think the plant will still stall while it adjusts. It has to switch to taking ALL it's resources from the new root system. It will still be mostly relying on the existing 'plumbing' while you're developing this new set of roots.
If you experiment with this, I can't wait to see you document it.
Sounds like the perfect gear to setup a small area for breeding experiments and/or making seeds.
I love my tri-meter. It CAN have an issue with 1000W digital ballasts though. As long as it's at least a couple feet away (the ppm/temp sensor cable specifically), it's fine though with my 750W ballasts. I called and talked to their engineer and he explained what the issue was. The cheaper ballasts will cause interference in your electrical circuits. My meter is on a separate circuit, but was still affected. He said sometimes you can filter this interference at the meter's transformer. I don't think this was my issue thought. Mine seemed to be more caused by RF interference (still from the ballasts though). Anyway just giving you a heads up when thinking about where to put things. Keep the ballasts away from the res if possible.
Grats my friend!
That's the best thing I could have heard from you!
I suspect there are MORE growing styles than growers. After all, we have ALL learned and evolved out techniques over time. Nobody grows the same as they did with their first crop.
I was gonna type basically the same thing. Outdoors, with the Sun as the light source, the rules are different from indoor. The plant isn't going to 'recognize' the difference, so it's up to use to make changes as we deem fit.
I agree. Different strains respond differently to each style of training/manipulation.
Your grows always look great Jon.
Someday I'd love to sit and talk shop with you while we burn one, or seven.
I was even telling the Mrs about you the other day. I think I'm about 6-9 months behind you on a similar path. It might be a little longer before I can get a dedicated workshop, but we have been out looking at places with 20+ acres.
Maybe I'll find my way up to northern Alberta one of these days. So in theory you can do this to a large lower branch and have a decent size plant right from the get goI see energy savings in my future, If I can perfect this tecnique I think I might do it all the time. The clones could be 12-14 inches so alot less veg time and they probably would be really healthy because they were still attached to the plant, I love it
Keep in mind that the root system needs to be large enough to support the vegetative growth above. This technique may allow for bigger clones, and perhaps minimize shock to some extent, but I think the plant will still stall while it adjusts. It has to switch to taking ALL it's resources from the new root system. It will still be mostly relying on the existing 'plumbing' while you're developing this new set of roots.
If you experiment with this, I can't wait to see you document it.
hell no bro lol...they would be hanging for sure! mostly old controllers for vented rooms, pumps, old basterdized cloners couple of 6 inch vortex fans I plan on using in the new space a 4 inch vortex fan and filter thats to small now, bits and pieces for my system ect ect ect...I like to keep it around though ya never know when your going to need something
Sounds like the perfect gear to setup a small area for breeding experiments and/or making seeds.
I love my tri-meter. It CAN have an issue with 1000W digital ballasts though. As long as it's at least a couple feet away (the ppm/temp sensor cable specifically), it's fine though with my 750W ballasts. I called and talked to their engineer and he explained what the issue was. The cheaper ballasts will cause interference in your electrical circuits. My meter is on a separate circuit, but was still affected. He said sometimes you can filter this interference at the meter's transformer. I don't think this was my issue thought. Mine seemed to be more caused by RF interference (still from the ballasts though). Anyway just giving you a heads up when thinking about where to put things. Keep the ballasts away from the res if possible.
I think other than a burner this is the configuration I ll be sticking with until my new space is built then I ll add 2 more 1000's, every condition in that room is finally sitting right where its suposed to be
Grats my friend!
That's the best thing I could have heard from you!
I suspect there are MORE growing styles than growers. After all, we have ALL learned and evolved out techniques over time. Nobody grows the same as they did with their first crop.
Defoliation would be unnatural only in a natural environment...IMHO, we are dealing with such a degraded light form that the manipulations become almost necessary. I will say that I was in the same mind as you with defoliation and I'm practicing this technique on my current run. I do know this...I would never touch a leaf on an outdoor plant, LOL....they grow just fine with little manipulation, and we must know that any leaf removed or any injury to the plant must have some affect contrary to a stress free cycle. Man, I just burned a fattie and got ripped while makin this post...LOL........And bro, jon didn't call you an asshole.....in a million years......
I was gonna type basically the same thing. Outdoors, with the Sun as the light source, the rules are different from indoor. The plant isn't going to 'recognize' the difference, so it's up to use to make changes as we deem fit.
I agree. Different strains respond differently to each style of training/manipulation.
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Definetly Hiker, any time your near here let me know, Ive mentioned a few times that this property is a long term flip for us but I cant remember if I told you what the whole plan is lol...Im really baked right now, a friend of mine sent me some Rockstar its one of my favs for sure.once we sell this place our plan is to buy a lodge on 20-40 acres property, there always coming up for sale as people get to old to run them.Something with a nice main house off by itself and 8-12 cabins with a dock and boat for each one. My wife is sick of her job and im a pretty handy maintenance guy, I really love the idea of living off of our land and working for ourselves, not to mention I can still grow, chances are there will already be a nice size workshop on the property.
Thats a good point about the air cloning but I think if I put them in the system it wont take long for them to develope a nice rootball. I just got back from the hydro shop, I picked up a bottle of clonex and im going to use rapid rooters as the medium, I think they will really work well with this tecnique. I ll get some pics up as soon as I do it
Definetly Hiker, any time your near here let me know, Ive mentioned a few times that this property is a long term flip for us but I cant remember if I told you what the whole plan is lol...Im really baked right now, a friend of mine sent me some Rockstar its one of my favs for sure.once we sell this place our plan is to buy a lodge on 20-40 acres property, there always coming up for sale as people get to old to run them.Something with a nice main house off by itself and 8-12 cabins with a dock and boat for each one. My wife is sick of her job and im a pretty handy maintenance guy, I really love the idea of living off of our land and working for ourselves, not to mention I can still grow, chances are there will already be a nice size workshop on the property.
Thats a good point about the air cloning but I think if I put them in the system it wont take long for them to develope a nice rootball. I just got back from the hydro shop, I picked up a bottle of clonex and im going to use rapid rooters as the medium, I think they will really work well with this tecnique. I ll get some pics up as soon as I do it
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Hmmm.. I'm not sure I'm understanding how you're using the rapid rooters and air cloning. I'm pretty sold on my DIY clone machine. So cheap, easy, and simple. I'll probably never go back.
Wow. That sounds exactly like our goal! My wife worked in hotel sales for many years, and she misses it. We often talk about buying a little B&B or something, but lately we've been eye balling the exact same kind of thing you're looking for! There are a lot of them around our area too. We're not really in a position to do it now, but I'm estimating we will be ready in a couple years. You can be sure Mrs Hiker and I will come visit your lodge. I'm not a big fisherman, but I can appreciate the appeal of sitting in a little canoe on a lake smoking a fatty.
The house we're in was always intended to be turned into an income property. WA state has an interesting bit of tax law. You don't pay property taxes if you're over 65, so we're thinking this might not be a bad area to live out our days. If we're in the area, it will be easier to manage a rental in town. It's tough holding the place back in Flagstaff. I don't want to give it up though. I still miss NoAZ soooo much.
Definetly Hiker, any time your near here let me know, Ive mentioned a few times that this property is a long term flip for us but I cant remember if I told you what the whole plan is lol...Im really baked right now, a friend of mine sent me some Rockstar its one of my favs for sure.once we sell this place our plan is to buy a lodge on 20-40 acres property, there always coming up for sale as people get to old to run them.Something with a nice main house off by itself and 8-12 cabins with a dock and boat for each one. My wife is sick of her job and im a pretty handy maintenance guy, I really love the idea of living off of our land and working for ourselves, not to mention I can still grow, chances are there will already be a nice size workshop on the property.
Thats a good point about the air cloning but I think if I put them in the system it wont take long for them to develope a nice rootball. I just got back from the hydro shop, I picked up a bottle of clonex and im going to use rapid rooters as the medium, I think they will really work well with this tecnique. I ll get some pics up as soon as I do it
Hmmm.. I'm not sure I'm understanding how you're using the rapid rooters and air cloning. I'm pretty sold on my DIY clone machine. So cheap, easy, and simple. I'll probably never go back.
Wow. That sounds exactly like our goal! My wife worked in hotel sales for many years, and she misses it. We often talk about buying a little B&B or something, but lately we've been eye balling the exact same kind of thing you're looking for! There are a lot of them around our area too. We're not really in a position to do it now, but I'm estimating we will be ready in a couple years. You can be sure Mrs Hiker and I will come visit your lodge. I'm not a big fisherman, but I can appreciate the appeal of sitting in a little canoe on a lake smoking a fatty.
The house we're in was always intended to be turned into an income property. WA state has an interesting bit of tax law. You don't pay property taxes if you're over 65, so we're thinking this might not be a bad area to live out our days. If we're in the area, it will be easier to manage a rental in town. It's tough holding the place back in Flagstaff. I don't want to give it up though. I still miss NoAZ soooo much.
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Ok here we go.The tecnique is called air layering. Its the tecnique of taking a clone from a plant while the branch is still attached to the plant. This is my first attempt, Im only going to try one at a time until I get one to work, with everything else going on around here it will be easier to keep track of one attempt at a time lol..
The tools required.
I messed up the first attempt by breaking the branch while stripping the bark off.
Now I just have to remember to keep the rapid rooter moist for the next 2 weeks and see what happens
Ok here we go.The tecnique is called air layering. Its the tecnique of taking a clone from a plant while the branch is still attached to the plant. This is my first attempt, Im only going to try one at a time until I get one to work, with everything else going on around here it will be easier to keep track of one attempt at a time lol..
The tools required.
I messed up the first attempt by breaking the branch while stripping the bark off.
Now I just have to remember to keep the rapid rooter moist for the next 2 weeks and see what happens