InTheShed Grows Inside & Out: Jump In Any Time

[InTheShed]

For those who missed this morning's pics, that post is here!

Same here! I much rather reach for a book and look a word up. Everything else I Google…

Something nice about having a book in your hand! That said, I did read The Adventures of Tom Sawyer on my phone during my son's guitar lessons years back.

 

[MrSauga]

I think you are one of the more fortunate ones who can afford to try new things. By afford I simply mean you are not dependent on every harvest being 8 ounces or more. I get all panicky when I get four zips or less off a plant, so I thank you for teaching us what could easily happen with our plants.

I mean that in a good way.

 

[InTheShed]

so I thank you for teaching us what could happen with our plants.

I mean that in a good way.

Thanks? Do you mean "what could happen" as in when things go sideways?

I'm not dependent on any harvests at this point given what I have socked away in jars, so it's all gravy. I also have the time to veg for as long as necessary to let my plants overcome whatever I've done to mess them up with this changeover to soil.

That's the upside of using the same medium, nutrients, and light source for a couple of years...jars in the bank!

 

[MrSauga]

Thanks? Do you mean "what could happen" as in when things go sideways?

I actually edited that about a minute after posting. No, that wasn't it at all. I just meant that there's things here to see that many growers may have yet to experience. Seeing some of the issues may trigger a bell when they do come across a similar problem.

 

[InTheShed]

I actually edited that about a minute after posting. No, that wasn't it at all. I just meant that there's things here to see that many growers may have yet to experience. Seeing some of the issues may trigger a bell when they do come across a similar problem.

Oh okay, then I withdraw the ? after "Thanks"!

 

[parnelli]

Don't know about the rest of you but I'm doing cartwheels with a 2 oz /plant harvest from my little 2x3 grow tent

 

[InTheShed]

Don't know about the rest of you but I'm doing cartwheels with a 2 oz /plant harvest from my little 2x3 grow tent

With good light, good nutes, training, and a long enough veg, and you should easily be able to pull 4+ ounces from one plant in a 2x3. Two plants makes it so you can't veg either of them very long, but you have to add them both together to see what the tent is capable of.

Either one of my Spring two will fit in a 2x3x6 and I hope to pull at around 6-8oz of each.

 

[InTheShed]

Saturday mini-update: while we're on the subject of plants with different colored leaves, take a look at the Spring two next to each other in the afternoon sun:

The Tin Can Kush on GF (front) is much paler (and eating bottom leaves) than the nute-fed Red Dragon, and this is one week after the last top-dress with GeoFlora Veg.

It's not a color difference I'm fond of, so I'm pondering what to do. Top-dress more often? Add nitrogen (in the form of cal-mag)? I'm leaning more toward top-dressing more often, since that is working for @Virgin Ground and @Grand Daddy Black. It looks hungry generally so I'm not sure if just more nitrogen would be enough, but it's easy to do when I mix the water with the SNS 209. It isn't showing any other deficiencies though, so maybe some nitrogen is all it needs.

In other news, I top-dressed the three Candidas in flower with GeoFlora Bloom. "Why" I hear you ask? Two reasons: first is I'd like to see if it can replace the 4.5g/gallon of MC they have been on forever without showing any deficiencies, and second is because I'll be gone for 4 days in a couple of weeks - which means that someone will have to come in and water them. Much easier to just have them use plain water! Between now and then they will still be getting the MC while we wait for the GF to work its way into the substrate. I also put some straight potting soil on top to raise the level and act as a mulch.

Hope your weekend is going well, and I look forward to hearing from you!

 

[BigD13]

Decisions decisions. Maybe top dress more often but in the mean time add a little N in the form of CalMag. Or maybe do what you’re doing with the Candidas and give it a little MC too. Maybe the TCK is a heavy feeder and just needs more nutes. Fish emulsion is a quick way to add water soluble N without all of the extra stuff that CalMag has. See what I mean; decisions decisions.

 

[Grand Daddy Black]

That's odd. With my current GF plant I had the exact opposite issue initially. The GF plants was a darker shade of green than my MC plants, so much so that it was slightly concerning. Eventually, however, it lightened up a bit and now they all have the same shade of green.

I'd love to see your notes you keep on your plant's care. I'll bet they read like a cryptogram!

 

[ChefDGreen]

You know shed, it seems likely with all that additional perlite that you’ve diluted down the amount of lime in your mix to a point where the ph is no longer stabilized. If you adjusted for that, I must have missed it.. but that’s what it seems like to me. Would also explain the gf still being successful as I believe it’s less ph dependent

 

[InTheShed]

Decisions decisions. Maybe top dress more often but in the mean time add a little N in the form of CalMag. Or maybe do what you’re doing with the Candidas and give it a little MC too. Maybe the TCK is a heavy feeder and just needs more nutes. Fish emulsion is a quick way to add water soluble N without all of the extra stuff that CalMag has. See what I mean; decisions decisions.

Thanks BigD! I'm leaning toward adding some Blue Planet Ca-mag Pro (8-0-0) to the next couple of waterings to see how that goes. And maybe some Terpinator for a bit more K over what GeoFlora Veg provides. Now I'm back to mixing nutes amn't I?

That's odd. With my current GF plant I had the exact opposite issue initially. The GF plants was a darker shade of green than my MC plants, so much so that it was slightly concerning. Eventually, however, it lightened up a bit and now they all have the same shade of green.

I remember you mentioning that, but they all do seem to have the same color now. Aren't you top-dressing more often than every 14 days now though?

I'd love to see your notes you keep on your plant's care. I'll bet they read like a cryptogram!

All my notes are here in my thread. Only thing missing here is the nute-blending calculations because no one other than MrS seems remotely interested in that. And he double checks all of them first anyway!

You know shed, it seems likely with all that additional perlite that you’ve diluted down the amount of lime in your mix to a point where the ph is no longer stabilized. If you adjusted for that, I must have missed it.. but that’s what it seems like to me. Would also explain the gf still being successful as I believe it’s less ph dependent

[Just to be clear to those confused, the pale Tin Can Kush above is in the last of the ProMix HP with no added anything. Chef is referring to the soil/perlite mix of the Jack Herer (now re-planted in 3.5/1 soil/perlite) and the Chiquita Banana in 50/50.]

Thanks Chef! BigD mentioned that about the mix not really being soil any more, but now that I replanted it it doesn't look any happier, so I think I just have to let it ride and see if it starts growing again. Interesting thing is that the Chiquita Banana (still in the 50/50 mix) is growing well, but it's still pale. I'll check if my pH pen still works next time I mix up nutes and see where it falls.

We'll see!

 

[MrSauga]

Just to be clear to those confused, the pale Tin Can Kush above is in the last of the ProMix HP with no added anything.

It's like trying to count toes on a centipede with shoes on. Wait, that's not right.

 

[Carcass]

I'm leaning toward adding some Blue Planet Ca-mag Pro (8-0-0)

I've been adding 1- 1.75 g of Blue Planet CalMag every watering, since my IG was about a month old, and it hasn't helped with the yellowing/falling off leaves...I guess it's possible that I just haven't been adding enough...although 2g is the max dose, according to the instructions...
On the plus side, I didn't have to defoliate at all- only the bottom 1/3 of the leaves fell off- the rest are fine, and even almost the right color (for the most part)
I'm also using GF Veg, because the yellowing started before I should have switched to GF Bloom nutes,
so it didn't seem like a good idea to reduce the nitrogen by switching from 5-3-4 to 3-5-5.

 

[InTheShed]

it hasn't helped with the yellowing/falling off leaves

Interesting! @Virgin Ground has managed to turn hers around with more frequent top-dressings and stopped adding additives at that point.

I guess it's possible that I just haven't been adding enough...although 2g is the max dose, according to the instructions...

At 8-0-0 I'd be afraid to go anywhere higher than 50% of the recommended dose!

only the bottom 1/3 of the leaves fell off- the rest are fine, and even almost the right color (for the most part)

I've already stripped the bottom third and they're still falling off. It does look generally hungry as well.

I'm also using GF Veg, because the yellowing started before I should have switched to GF Bloom nutes, so it didn't seem like a good idea to reduce the nitrogen by switching from 5-3-4 to 3-5-5.

I'm with you there! 3-5-5 is not where I want to be. Maybe I'm better off with GF Veg more often, and some of what I'm feeding the Red Dragon in the meantime (since it seems to take 2 weeks for the GF to work). That would save me from having to mix up a separate batch just for the TCK with cal-mag and Terp.

 

[Grand Daddy Black]

I remember you mentioning that, but they all do seem to have the same color now. Aren't you top-dressing more often than every 14 days now though?

Yes, I do top -dressing every 12 days. It seems to be working okay...so far.

Only thing missing here is the nute-blending calculations

I'd like to see those, at least once! That way I might be able to figure out what the "equivalent to" phrase really means.

 

[Virgin Ground]

First grow I was using too much GF. I was in plain PM and used 4-0-0 cal-mag. My plants were too dark but got a decent harvest.
I felt the PM on its own needed a nutrient buffer so I added EWc. I also have Dynomyco and Earth Alive in there as well. I did not use extra perlite. I stopped adding that in a few grows ago. Haven't had any issues with wet feet. The amount that comes in the PM all-purpose seems to be adequate.
I am just top dressing every ten days and was giving plain 24 hr aged tap at 7.3 pH. I just started using the Purpinator and I'm not sure where my pH is falling since. Haven't checked it yet.

I got real stoned somewhere in there and kinda forgot why I was telling you all of this. Drawing a blank. Hope it helps!!

Oh...I think I was just outlining my grow to show any differences. Maybe something would stand out and help?


Maybe you just need some Speed Holes™?!?!

 

[InTheShed]

First grow I was using too much GF. I was in plain PM and used 4-0-0 cal-mag. My plants were too dark

Was it the too much GF or the 4-0-0 that made them too dark? What happened before the cal-mag that made you want to add it?

I did not use extra perlite. I stopped adding that in a few grows ago.

Your ProMix still has more perlite than the soil I bought, which has very little.

Oh...I think I was just outlining my grow to show any differences. Maybe something would stand out and help?

Thanks for dropping by and filling me in on how you got your plants so beautiful!

Maybe you just need some Speed Holes™

LOL! Mebs. Or mebs I should put them in GeoPots instead?

 

[Carcass]

I am just top dressing every ten days and was giving plain 24 hr aged tap at 7.3 pH.

Thanks, VG! - I'm going to give the ten day thing a try, and I guess it's safe to stop pH'ing my water...

Question for you, Shed- are you watering the TCK to runoff?
I am with the IG, like 20% runoff and I'm wondering if I could be washing the "good stuff" out of the soil.
Not sure where I saw it, but @MrSauga mentioned this, kinda got me to thinkin'

 

[InTheShed]

Question for you, Shed- are you watering the TCK to runoff?

A tiny bit, as GF said not to get the kind of runoff we use for synthetic nutes.

avoid overwatering to reduced run off