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I have no follow up questions your honor!
Lol. Getting pertinent information from me when I'm tired is a bit like herding cats.
The numbered questions were very helpful.
Glad to help.
I remember
that! 
It'll be nice! Is she done for a while or going back?
Do you remember:
1. How much you were feeding?
2. Why more than the standard amount?
3. Why did you suspect a cal-mag deficiency?
4. Were you seeing issues with the lower leaves and went for the kitchen sink approach?
That's all I can ask for!
None needed. All input appreciated, even retractions and new info!
There is much discussion on the using GeoFlora around the site and all its variances. It would be helpful if the information above along with every other GF discussion on the site were all posted in the GeoFlora thread. I realise that thread is supposed to be for GF to help us but couldn't it also be a thread where we can discuss how we should be using GF and help each other?
Just a thought. If it's not viable, no harm, no foul.
smokesbetter
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Damn growing weed has got complicated 
Here have some this STUFF WOW that chart blew my old ass away 
Here have some this STUFF WOW that chart blew my old ass away 
Nicely done!New and improved I hope!
I'll give it a shot since what's-his-name isn't here as much as he'd like to! Keep in mind that these numbers are based on the fact that you have enough nutes on hand to get close to these ratios. And remember to include Boron.
In veg, the targets are tied to nitrogen the same way they are with MC, so you can use the MC 1-part elemental feeding calculator to see where those fall. For example, if you were thinking of going to 3.5g/gallon, the MC calc says that's 92.75ppm for 1 gallon water.
So the 93 goes in the N value on the Hydrobuddy (which you have set for 1 gallon), and then you enter the rest based on a 5-1-5 NPK and the 4/2/1 for K/Ca/Mg ratios, and 10% of N for sulfur.
Those numbers would be 93-19-93 for NPK, and if 93 is K, Ca would be 46 and Mg would be 23, with sulfur at 9.3.
As you decide to add more nitrogen, you would enter new N number to match the PPM from the MC calc and the rest follow.
Silica ramps up very quickly from 10 to 30 to 50ppm from the first nute watering.
Once you move into flower, the NPK numbers no longer stick to the 5-1-5 ratio as potassium gets bumped higher than nitrogen. The 5g equivalent now becomes 132 but with K at 150 (the K/Ca/Mg ratios remain), and the 5.5g eq becomes 160N and 180K. If you have an incredibly hungry plant, the numbers would top out at 180N and 200K.
All of this starts by entering the element list from the labels of each of your nutes into the Substance database so you can start to pick and choose the ones that will get you close to your target numbers. If it says one isn't used, go back and remove it to get a better answer rather than leaving it in and ignoring it. Just one of the quirks.
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I won't be around this afternoon, but I did want to get a root-filled update of a Monday!
I pulled the Sour G (on GF) out for a peek at the roots, since it's doing the best of the Summer three:
Not a lot of side growth on this one, but it's better by far than the Jack Herer!
Then I took a look at the Chiquita Banana, which is growing but yellow:
Good bottom growth but not much on the sides yet.
Sour G got water and CB got 4g/gallon equivalent.
Let's move on to the clones on the desk, all of which are domeless and doing fine (except for the one cup of Candida-from-seed seed cuttings that didn't make it). All must have roots, and some have roots showing:
Candida mother clones cup 1:
Candida mother clones cup 2:
Candida-from-seed clones:
Tin Can Kush heading for the center of the earth!
No visible roots on the Red Dragon clones yet...the old one or the new ones. But they're all alive and well.
I hope your Monday goes well as we remember those go gave their lives to protect our freedoms.
I pulled the Sour G (on GF) out for a peek at the roots, since it's doing the best of the Summer three:
Not a lot of side growth on this one, but it's better by far than the Jack Herer!
Then I took a look at the Chiquita Banana, which is growing but yellow:
Good bottom growth but not much on the sides yet.
Sour G got water and CB got 4g/gallon equivalent.
Let's move on to the clones on the desk, all of which are domeless and doing fine (except for the one cup of Candida-from-seed seed cuttings that didn't make it). All must have roots, and some have roots showing:
Candida mother clones cup 1:
Candida mother clones cup 2:
Candida-from-seed clones:
Tin Can Kush heading for the center of the earth!
No visible roots on the Red Dragon clones yet...the old one or the new ones. But they're all alive and well.
I hope your Monday goes well as we remember those go gave their lives to protect our freedoms.
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Forgot the quotes!
Also, here we can be critical and post things we don't think work about the product, which is something to avoid in a sponsor's thread. Like the fact that I think their Bloom formula is incorrect for flowering plants. Justin seems okay using it on his GSC, but I won't be using it for mine.
Thanks Otter! I think she's done with school and will be looking for work in the great wide world now.
I think that thread is better for questions posed directly to GF, rather than our back and forth on what might work for me or VG or Carcass or GDB. It would get pretty messy if we were posting questions back and forth to each other there, and I think they were intent on avoiding messy.
Also, here we can be critical and post things we don't think work about the product, which is something to avoid in a sponsor's thread. Like the fact that I think their Bloom formula is incorrect for flowering plants. Justin seems okay using it on his GSC, but I won't be using it for mine.
Feel free to ignore all the stuff that doesn't hold any interest for you. Eventually I'll get back to plants!
Thank you sir. I had a most excellent sherpa.Nicely done!
Fudo Myoo
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Very interested in your results, I’m using that stuff too...Saturday mini-update: while we're on the subject of plants with different colored leaves, take a look at the Spring two next to each other in the afternoon sun:
The Tin Can Kush on GF (front) is much paler (and eating bottom leaves) than the nute-fed Red Dragon, and this is one week after the last top-dress with GeoFlora Veg.
It's not a color difference I'm fond of, so I'm pondering what to do. Top-dress more often? Add nitrogen (in the form of cal-mag)? I'm leaning more toward top-dressing more often, since that is working for @Virgin Ground and @Grand Daddy Black. It looks hungry generally so I'm not sure if just more nitrogen would be enough, but it's easy to do when I mix the water with the SNS 209. It isn't showing any other deficiencies though, so maybe some nitrogen is all it needs.
In other news, I top-dressed the three Candidas in flower with GeoFlora Bloom. "Why" I hear you ask? Two reasons: first is I'd like to see if it can replace the 4.5g/gallon of MC they have been on forever without showing any deficiencies, and second is because I'll be gone for 4 days in a couple of weeks - which means that someone will have to come in and water them. Much easier to just have them use plain water! Between now and then they will still be getting the MC while we wait for the GF to work its way into the substrate. I also put some straight potting soil on top to raise the level and act as a mulch.
Hope your weekend is going well, and I look forward to hearing from you!
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Mini Tuesday update! Not much going on today, nothing needed water or IPM (integrated pest management), but I figured everyone likes a game of spot the differences!
Sour G:
Chiquita Banana:
Too easy? Of course!
Hope you have a nice short week.
Sour G:
Chiquita Banana:
Too easy? Of course!
Hope you have a nice short week.
We got a lot of folks using GeoFlora now since they became a sponsor here. They really jumped in with both feet looking for folks to try out their stuff! And like a few of us, I'm working out the kinks to see if it fits with my grow.
It's amazing how close they all are to each other's mate! Mine's going in outdoors tomorrow to flourish in the Geoflora I worked into new foxfarms ocean forest last week! Thank you!
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My mate is either texting, playing a block-stacking game on her phone, or listening to books on tape. I have to say most things at least twice...so I'm not sure if that represents closeness or not!
The Sour G on GeoFlora is still looking better than the Chiquita Banana (I'm ignoring the Jack Herer for the time being), but the CB is still putting out just as many nodes and is only an inch shorter than the Sour G.
with the outside grow...we're going to need pics!
asap for pics of course!My mate is either texting, playing a block-stacking game on her phone, or listening to books on tape. I have to say most things at least twice...so I'm not sure if that represents closeness or not!
The Sour G on GeoFlora is still looking better than the Chiquita Banana (I'm ignoring the Jack Herer for the time being), but the CB is still putting out just as many nodes and is only an inch shorter than the Sour G.
Looks like you did a little ladyscaping... "down there"
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Looks like you did a little ladyscaping... "down there"
Carcass! Since these are growing pretty slowly, I figured why let them waste their energy on nodes I'm going to take off later anyway. I did leave one more node at the bottom of the Sour G because I will be taking clones of it eventually, with the hope of doing some seed-making to keep the cross around.
I got rid of all the "suckers" early on on my IG- something I usually don't do...
Another reason you can "see through" my plant for the first time ever...
Another reason you can "see through" my plant for the first time ever...
I do these kind of puzzles allll the time, so this is too easy for me!
In the top pic you have trimmed a bit off the bottom.
in the next pic the positions of the pot handles have changed.
Easy Peasy!
Glad to hear the daughter is finished with the institutions for now! It’s a great moment in time for her Ooof! On all the faffing you’re having to do because of the lack of ProMix HP. I had to change mediium types last year and got a soil i didn’t like much, too, it’s a real challenge after using something for ages that just works well. I’m sure you will sort it eventually (even if that means finding a better product!).
I am not remembering which of your plants are getting GF or not, but regarding the issues my mind is revisiting our conversation from many moons ago when you were looking into other kinds of LOS, which is what the GF is (living organic soil). I remember then that part of the concern was the schlepping in soft pots and the continual disturbance of the rootzone - it is possible that this is detrimental to a living soil environment.
I mention that now because, at the time you decided your grow style wasn’t compatible with living soil - I remember that was in large part because of the long veg times you like/need and that particular system, but the rootzone thing was part of the convo too, IIRC
So if the GF pants are also in the ‘bags‘, rootzone disruption could be a contributor...
Also - watch out for lockout on the one you’re supplementing w MC and also continuing the GF, I seem to remember someone coming up against that recently.
Has your STS stuff arrived yet? Are you going to post a documented guide when you do it, including the products you needed etc.? Or should I ask in PM about that?
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I don't know why I never cut them off much earlier. Maybe I stopped when I was keeping a lot of mother plants so I could use those lowers for cloning? I'm going to try clipping them much earlier next grow just because.
You are correct sir! Sort of. The bottom plant got trimmed and rotated, and that's the velcro that moved. I don't need handles on 2 gallon pots.
Thanks Amy, and
back! Been a while since I've gotten to multi-quote you. I know right? I was thinking this was going to be easy, but I can't even tell when the pots are light! They're always heavier than I'm used to now.
The big, slightly pale Tin Can Kush in the 7 gallon cloth pot and the Sour G pictured above.
I don't remember about the schlepping disturbing the roots being an issue for LOS specifically (has someone actually studied that?), but I easily may have forgotten that part of our discussion because of the other issue that seemed to be the more detrimental part for me:
That part I remember, because it was really the main problem I had with the Kit (which I think was the basis for the conversation, both with you and Doc in his old info thread).
If that's a thing, it certainly could be with the Tin Can Kush. I'm not sure how bacteria respond negatively to movement though.
GeoFlora opens their Feed Chart page with this:
Geoflora Nutrients can be used as a stand-alone system, or as a base to compliment your favorite liquid and dry nutrient additives
so I thought I'd be safe using both. If memory serves, plants in living organic soil will take up the synthetic nutes over the organic ones when they're present, until they're used up. If you can remember where you saw someone locking out using both I'd be curious to read it.
The STS fixings arrived from Chris in early May, and I mixed them up and started spraying on May 17th. In terms of the products I used, I just went with what Chris sent because he said he had more than enough to last a lifetime. I did find them on Amazon and some chem distro sites, but never pulled the trigger there because free.
I can take pics of what I have if that will help, but the silver nitrate is a fine powder and the sodium thiosulfate is big crystals like this.
I spray every 4 days in the morning in the shade, and flipped the night after the third morning of spraying. Nothing yet, but the flowering plants aren't showing pistils either (I remember Candida being slow to show) so that's not surprising.