Indicas Grow & Experimenting Genetics Part II - Winter Indoor Organic Grow

And Last but not Least;
The little Jamaican that could
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She is not happy. But still putting on some trichomes.
 
looking good. are you trying to treat the mysterious spots? personally I have no idea what they are. I use vinegar with a 5% acid level.
 
I zoomed in on your pictures and I'm pretty sure you have thrips. The pattern of the damage and the black droppings are a dead give away. Spray with a pesticide ASAP. A good time to spray is when you water. Those suckers like to feed when the plants juices are really flowing. Most pesticides work for several hours after you spray. That's what you need. Keep it up for several weeks. There are larvae that will hatch and reinfect your plant after you spray the first time. That's why it has to be repeated.
 
Brunt FCA said:
I zoomed in on your pictures and I'm pretty sure you have thrips. The pattern of the damage and the black droppings are a dead give away. Spray with a pesticide ASAP. A good time to spray is when you water. Those suckers like to feed when the plants juices are really flowing. Most pesticides work for several hours after you spray. That's what you need. Keep it up for several weeks. There are larvae that will hatch and reinfect your plant after you spray the first time. That's why it has to be repeated.
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Im more than ready to kill the pest, but I need an Organic solution. I don't use chemical pesticides. Do you have any suggestions? thank you
 
Spinosad danishoes. I went looking at examples of thrip damage and your plants do appear to be likely candidates. Spinosad is an acceptable and effective way to combat them.
 
Sweetsue said:
Spinosad danishoes. I went looking at examples of thrip damage and your plants do appear to be likely candidates. Spinosad is an acceptable and effective way to combat them.
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Oh Yes I'll second the spinosad! Been using Monterey garden insect spray and it works very well. I like to use an organic soap also as a surfactant in all sprayings, using the dr. bronners line at the moment. Make sure when applying sprays for pests you are switching it up vise versa.. one day spray spinosad, next days maybe a neem oil, following days possibly a mighty wash rinse (or a hot pepper water mix, vinegar mix, rosemary mix, etc.), or even mix a couple of the products and see how the plants/pests react. I also use SNS209 as a root drench on my organic soil to help keep the spring tails in order. The continual arsenal switching will throw those pests into D day brotha Danish. Keep up the fight :volcano-smiley:
 
I use Monterey to eradicate thrips in a hydroponic setup. The soil plants didn't make it. In hydro they're a little easier because they live in the reservoir just above the water line. Washing the res takes care of all of those. Spraying the plants takes care of the leaf suckers, flyers, and eggs. Then I covered up the hydro net pots with plastic so any bugs that survived couldn't get in an out. The thrips in your soil incubate into flyers. The flyers leave the soil and lay eggs in the leaves and nodes. The eggs hatch and the worms chew up you plant until they're fat and fall off and land in the soil below. They incubate in the soil and the cycle repeats. Using a spray and putting a barrier to obstruct there movement between soil and canopy are your most likely options. In addition to the spray I would use something to cover the pots. They crawl up the stem too. If you have any of those sticky fly traps lying around you can wipe some of the goop on the base of the stem.
 
Good stuff Brunt! I got some more to add;

Forgot about diatomaceous earth. After a spraying and watering, once the plants foliage is dried and top soil is not going to be needing a watering for a couple days, sprinkle a hefty layer of D.E on your top soil. D.E will act like a layer of broken glass that they will need to crawl through to escape. I've noticed with sprayings (if you do have bugs) once the insects are sprayed they seem to be frightened and begin moving/flying, a nice D.E application will surely make those movements their last! And with Brunts info, if those suckers are getting to big and fall off the foliage.. well, i'd like to see them land in a pool of glass! Ouch.

Booby trap your drainage holes at the bottom of your pot with yellow sticky traps (or even tape for that matter, the brighter color the better) as I have noticed this works very well in keeping fungus gnats and the springtails at bay.

Hope everyone's having a smooth sifty sunday! Cheers, CA
 
Diatomaceous earth actually works best if it's applied as a fine dusting rather than a sheet or topping. It defies reason, but if you check out the early days of Radogast's current journal he chronicles this exact thing. The gnats crawled right over the surface. As a fine dusting they can't avoid the damage. You also have to keep it dry to be effective in this way, so after watering it has to be reapplied. As a fine dusting it more easily waters in and helps add silica to the soil food web without overdosing the soil community and causing problems.

I'm a big fan of using DE in this way. I do so all the time but I try to use it responsibly.

Lastly, wear a mask when dusting. Your lungs will thank you. :Love:
 
Thanks a lot Brunt FCA, CA, Sue.

Im locating all the products to start the battle this week. I don't want my new plants to get infected.

Thanks a lot guys

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Heck yeah good point, wear a mask no doubt! Especially if you are in your apt. that stuff is some real fine dust.

Same with perlite, last bag I picked up at homeD, I had the cashier telling me that since the perlite is OMRI stamped it's okay to breath it in.... I was scratching my head.

SweetSue - About how much do you apply for a fine dusting? On a 5 gallon pot I will usually apply ~3-4 tbsp. and give the DE a little working into the soil, then another ~1 tbsp as a follow up coating.

Hope everyone has a killer melty Monday to start of this week, spring is here! Cheers
 
Good Monday fellow growers

Just did the purchase of 500 gr. Diatomaceous earth, should take a couple days to get here. Im also looking for the Spinosad but seems like they don't sell it in Canada... Any suggestions?
 
"I had the cashier telling me that since the perlite is OMRI stamped it's okay to breath it in.... I was scratching my head."

lol I think you inhale organic asbestos too!
 
CA215 said:
Heck yeah good point, wear a mask no doubt! Especially if you are in your apt. that stuff is some real fine dust.

Same with perlite, last bag I picked up at homeD, I had the cashier telling me that since the perlite is OMRI stamped it's okay to breath it in.... I was scratching my head.

SweetSue - About how much do you apply for a fine dusting? On a 5 gallon pot I will usually apply ~3-4 tbsp. and give the DE a little working into the soil, then another ~1 tbsp as a follow up coating.

Hope everyone has a killer melty Monday to start of this week, spring is here! Cheers
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CA215, I use a puffer bottle and have no measurement. I puff it in until I think it's enough and wiggle it into my mulch. It's probably close to your 3 TBS. Are you having any luck with it?
 
Sweetsue said:
CA215, I use a puffer bottle and have no measurement. I puff it in until I think it's enough and wiggle it into my mulch. It's probably close to your 3 TBS. Are you having any luck with it?
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I have great results with 3-4 tbsp, it just gets to be a lot if I am applying every couple days. I wanted to make sure I wasn't over doing anything.. I haven't noticed any weird spotting or issues. Thinking back to the OD 2 years ago I was using ALOT of DE and was getting issues arising on foliage similar to a Phosphorus/Calcium deficiency. I think a good trick is the switching of products.. Going to be limiting myself to one application of DE per week and a half throughout the grow season. Thanks for the info!

Dani hope that DE gets to you quick, fast and in a hurry :surf: Stay well fellow growers
 
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