Indicas Grow & Experimenting Genetics Part II - Winter Indoor Organic Grow

[CA215]

Had no idea on the rice trick, storing that one in my noggin'..
That bc mango #3 male looks like a real real seed stacker yeehaw, definitely looks all laid back with the snap
Might need to cut those back soon, do they appear to be starting to open up?
Great update dani positive vibes from CA!

 

[Danishoes21]

Ain't nothing better than the real thing, Baby.
[Ranger sings along while dancing w/the sun]

You said it yourself there Ranger, nothing better than the real shine!

At least for now they get a good 3-4 hours outdoors. Im paranoid with the photoperiod at 11/13 don't wanna miss it at all...

 

[Danishoes21]

Had no idea on the rice trick, storing that one in my noggin'..
That bc mango #3 male looks like a real real seed stacker yeehaw, definitely looks all laid back with the snap
Might need to cut those back soon, do they appear to be starting to open up?
Great update dani positive vibes from CA!

I had no idea either CA lol,

Yeah that male is gonna go thru some ruff days really soon. Haircuts and extreme yoga

 

[Danishoes21]

Hope you guys had a Nice 420 yesterday.

I got a post 420 Update.

Things are looking nice and weird at the same time. I got the BC mango male to shoot out 2 pistils, could be the sign I wanted I can make the plant produce "feminized" pollen or male hermie pollen, still lot of work to do. I keep stressing here I feel bad, but it seems to have cause the right effect.

As for the two female Phenos, I got one showing some crazy Sativa traits we have stablished as Pheno#1, this Pheno is going really extreme with the stretch and the calyx seem to be headed to the fox-tailing form. She is my favorite for here weird looks, also the male clusters at the bottom are starting to give me headaches. Im still gonna fight for here, 80% of the plant is hermie free, theres hope.

For the Pheno#2 female she is doing pretty darn fine, very bushy more indica looking but still has that distinctive calyx formation thats weird. It might be to early to jump in to conclusion, the light photoperiod remains 11/13, temp low 20's celsius.

BC Mango Cross (Pheno#1 sativa dominant)

BC Mango Cross (Pheno#2 Short bushy)

BC Mango Cross (Pheno#3 Male experiment)

Others.

 

[Danishoes21]

On the Previous harvest buds.

The dry weights were 17grms for the Pheno#1, I so far have a couple of seeds as well. The smoke is smooth but a bit to citric it irritates the eyes all the time. Uplifting but very soothing effect. Not the best taste I've had from these plants, I think the stress from the bugs did get to her. Still a bless to have meds.

The other Pheno was smaller got a 10 grms mark mostly one big bud rest popcorn, this one is more sedative like a indica has a earthy taste and smell, like dry pine.

Pheno#1

Pheno#7

Both

 

[CA215]

I'd hit it How do ya mean it is messing with your eyes? I think I might see a little PM starting on the BC indica phenol but nore sure brotha. Good stuff brother hope you had a smokey 4-20 Danish positive vibes!!

 

[Ranger275]

Wow! Plants are coming up well. You've got some brilliant phenos to play w/. Are you shooting for a particular bud shape?
I've been thinking about bud-shape in relation to calyx/leaf ratios. It's hard to compare/measure, but anecdotally, pyramidal shapes appear lower than columnar.
Blast it! I started off w/a clear question and came up w/a jumble. I'd be interested in any musings on the above.
Right on

 

[SweetSue]

White was a good background choice danishoes. I love the way the sugar leaves hug the flowers as they dry. I never knew they were so beautiful. All those years.....

Congratulations again. Decent haul, that.

 

[Danishoes21]

I'd hit it How do ya mean it is messing with your eyes? I think I might see a little PM starting on the BC indica phenol but nore sure brotha. Good stuff brother hope you had a smokey 4-20 Danish positive vibes!!

I did hit it! and smiled for a good time after. lol

PM yes I saw the same grey spots you did CA, I think my tent and equipment carry the spores, I can't wait to finish my indoors, I always start solid and get loose by the end, It drains me to fight with all the pest and situations... Im trying to keep the PM under control.

When I meant its irritates my eyes, It just makes then watery and red, a little more than Im used to. It could be not enough curing or to much P at the end, cause before I harvested I gave them a last drench with bone meal 4-10-0 and then I started to read about the over use of P in late flower... Something to consider for my next grow.

Overall its not finest I produced but considering the experimentation they went thru, seeds they gave out, pest the fought and they could still be smokable and nice meds. Im blessed

 

[Danishoes21]

Wow! Plants are coming up well. You've got some brilliant phenos to play w/. Are you shooting for a particular bud shape?
I've been thinking about bud-shape in relation to calyx/leaf ratios. It's hard to compare/measure, but anecdotally, pyramidal shapes appear lower than columnar.
Blast it! I started off w/a clear question and came up w/a jumble. I'd be interested in any musings on the above.
Right on

howdy Ranger

Thanks for commenting, and yes Im trying different scenarios with my plants nowadays, I want to see what comes out of each plant at a different photoperiod, these ladies are at 11/13 and they are doing their thing, the shape of the bud on this Pheno#1 is a total surprise, I find it really interesting I personally never grew any bud like this. I am aiming for a certain Calyx-leaf ratio, as I said earlier on this Journal, what we smoke are 90% calyxes and pistils, we hardly like the leaves because of the chlorophyl and the taste it gives to the bud, so in that order I want more calyx than leaves on my plants. Being honest plants with no leaves don't look nice but once again we don't grow Cannabis for the leaves we grow them for their female reproductive parts we smoke. Indoors is kinda like my LAB time, where I have the "control" on the environment so I can aim for a determined result.

Stick around to see how this one turns out. Also the genetics on this BC Mango cross are the Mexican Sativa that is wild so wild with the hermaphroditism Im trying my best to keep her hermie free, but as you can see Its not easy.

 

[Danishoes21]

White was a good background choice danishoes. I love the way the sugar leaves hug the flowers as they dry. I never knew they were so beautiful. All those years.....

Congratulations again. Decent haul, that.

Appreciate the LUV Sue

I tend to keep my sugar leaves, the cannabinoid content in there is important. Yes chlorophyl is a negative side, but a good curing can make the sugar leaves breakdown and ohh yes they are sweet after.

White background are my preference because I highlights the true colors of the buds. With the right light you can take some nice photos of the buds.

 

[CA215]

I did hit it! and smiled for a good time after. lol

PM yes I saw the same grey spots you did CA, I think my tent and equipment carry the spores, I can't wait to finish my indoors, I always start solid and get loose by the end, It drains me to fight with all the pest and situations... Im trying to keep the PM under control.

When I meant its irritates my eyes, It just makes then watery and red, a little more than Im used to. It could be not enough curing or to much P at the end, cause before I harvested I gave them a last drench with bone meal 4-10-0 and then I started to read about the over use of P in late flower... Something to consider for my next grow.

Overall its not finest I produced but considering the experimentation they went thru, seeds they gave out, pest the fought and they could still be smokable and nice meds. Im blessed

Not a problem brotha I understand, thought I could help pointing it out.
What's your rH look like when lights are off and on?
You are re-using soil also?
Circulating air or drawing some fresh air around the girls?
Windows open around/close to where your tent is set-up?
You didn't have PM as long as I remember, this has just started ~couple months ago?

Lot of q's, sorry dani

I wonder (looked up your weather and it looks like PM would love it) if the PM could even be coming in from your location, through a window, on clothes, outdoors bushes might have some killer PM building up on leaves.. If rain if spiking rH in the tent with a circulating "closed" air supply, I think PM would be insanely hard to get rid of.

This is what I will be picking up next if I have any PM issues, omri listed for our organics, here's the link brotha, its called "GreenCure".
CA

 

[Ranger275]

Howdy danishshoes21,
Congratulations! You had an experiment, it wasn't easy, you found an answer and came away w/tasty herb! Thx for the lesson(s) in Genetics. I admire the work you're doing.
I remember that part, it's one of my favorite parts. It's probably what got me to wondering about all this. Maybe I missed the answer, or didn't state the question clearly, but have you noticed a correlation between shape (round, columnar, pyramidal or other) and calyx/leaf ratio? Sorry if I'm just being dense.

 

[Danishoes21]

Not a problem brotha I understand, thought I could help pointing it out.
What's your rH look like when lights are off and on?
You are re-using soil also?
Circulating air or drawing some fresh air around the girls?
Windows open around/close to where your tent is set-up?
You didn't have PM as long as I remember, this has just started ~couple months ago?

Lot of q's, sorry dani

I wonder (looked up your weather and it looks like PM would love it) if the PM could even be coming in from your location, through a window, on clothes, outdoors bushes might have some killer PM building up on leaves.. If rain if spiking rH in the tent with a circulating "closed" air supply, I think PM would be insanely hard to get rid of.

This is what I will be picking up next if I have any PM issues, omri listed for our organics, here's the link brotha, its called "GreenCure".
CA

CA always nice to have you around broda. Lets head to the questions

RH: avg 40-60, 60 when the RH% is high outside, 40% when its really hot inside the tent and the water reservoir of my humidifier is drained.

Reusing soil: yes.

Air circulation: 3 small fans circulate air inside the open tent, 1 big spinner fan takes air from the window and shoots it in.

Windows: I have a window less than 12 inches from the tent, during winter is my main source for cooling (and pest). I keep my tent open all the time when growing indoors during winter.

PM: Its a on and off situation usually when indoors. I don't know what it is but I think it coiuld be the dust in my room and coming from the window... PM is something I don't understand, I sanitize my tent 3 times now since I started this journal, and PM always finds its way to the plants... I don't get it.

Appreciate the minutes you take to stop by broda.

 

[Danishoes21]

Howdy danishshoes21,
Congratulations! You had an experiment, it wasn't easy, you found an answer and came away w/tasty herb! Thx for the lesson(s) in Genetics. I admire the work you're doing.
I remember that part, it's one of my favorite parts. It's probably what got me to wondering about all this. Maybe I missed the answer, or didn't state the question clearly, but have you noticed a correlation between shape (round, columnar, pyramidal or other) and calyx/leaf ratio? Sorry if I'm just being dense.

I appreciate the recognition Ranger, I got to confess It is not easy growing indoors... add to that insane conditions that are not sustainable for growing amazing yields... on the other hand experiments are fun, and failing sometimes (if you are committed) can bring even brighter results on the second or third try. I appreciate your kind words

On your question about calyx/leaf:

It seems like a very vast question to answer with my short knowledge. I could only direct you to read some of DJ shorts work to probably pinpoint the exact answer you want. My conclusion are not done yet, but what I can tell you is, longer nights photoperiods (13/11, 12/12, 11/13) seem to bring out different leaf to calyx ratios depending on the genetic background of the strain, lets say you have a hybrid 60 Sativa 40 Indica, conditions on your environment are going to play a mayor roll on the development of your "matured" plant, so a more tropical environment would tend to push your plant towards the Sativa dominance out of pure survival and adaptivity. A mature plant will develop flower (buds) in concordance to its genetics background... Sativa for me are Piramidal to almost complete foxtail buds, less leaf (typical 1-3 leaflet leaves) more calyx, less dense buds, elongated shape.

Now Indicas seem to love long days photoperiods (18/6...) they vegetate to a complete different light schedule, while a Sativa in the tropics could vegetate 5 months on 13/11 photoperiod, the structure of both plants can't be the same, bushy indicas vegetate with 4-5 more hours of day light of difference. I believe the more light the more leaves you will end up with... I don't want to pass around information that is not 100% verified but I have been working with photoperiods thru out this whole journal and I have seen some crazy (good and bad) results.

Still a lot of work to do for me Ranger, glad to have you interested and asking questions, that is the best way for me to learn even more. Keep asking and if I don't know it we can probably work together to find an answer.

 

[Danishoes21]

Work in progress.-
I found them particularly interesting today. I misted them a couple days ago using DE and water, the leaves are stained now...

Pheno#1

Pheno#2

 

[Ranger275]

Thx d21. That really helped me out. Your thread has been a thought-provoking pleasure.
I'll look around for writings of DJShort. I'd love to grow his Azure Haze in the proper environment.
You hit on something interesting; most people who grow herb aren't doing it to win an Herb Beauty Pageant, they just don't want to run out between harvests. LOL I look forward to the selection/direction you take.

 

[Danishoes21]

Thx d21. That really helped me out. Your thread has been a thought-provoking pleasure.
I'll look around for writings of DJShort. I'd love to grow his Azure Haze in the proper environment.
You hit on something interesting; most people who grow herb aren't doing it to win an Herb Beauty Pageant, they just don't want to run out between harvests. LOL I look forward to the selection/direction you take.

There is a lot to do with this plants. I just love them all the ugly, the weird, the good ones... they all have secrets. I just saw my male Pheno she is shooting pistils... things people say impossible is happening again in front of my eyes. If I manage to get her to flower Im 95% sure the pollen is "feminized".

I will post pictures later this week. Im so dazzled with these plants all 3 Phenos are so freaking different from each other, in the same conditions, with the same genetic background... So much stuff I cant explain its just happening.

 

[SweetSue]

I appreciate the recognition Ranger, I got to confess It is not easy growing indoors... add to that insane conditions that are not sustainable for growing amazing yields... on the other hand experiments are fun, and failing sometimes (if you are committed) can bring even brighter results on the second or third try. I appreciate your kind words

On your question about calyx/leaf:

It seems like a very vast question to answer with my short knowledge. I could only direct you to read some of DJ shorts work to probably pinpoint the exact answer you want. My conclusion are not done yet, but what I can tell you is, longer nights photoperiods (13/11, 12/12, 11/13) seem to bring out different leaf to calyx ratios depending on the genetic background of the strain, lets say you have a hybrid 60 Sativa 40 Indica, conditions on your environment are going to play a mayor roll on the development of your "matured" plant, so a more tropical environment would tend to push your plant towards the Sativa dominance out of pure survival and adaptivity. A mature plant will develop flower (buds) in concordance to its genetics background... Sativa for me are Piramidal to almost complete foxtail buds, less leaf (typical 1-3 leaflet leaves) more calyx, less dense buds, elongated shape.

Now Indicas seem to love long days photoperiods (18/6...) they vegetate to a complete different light schedule, while a Sativa in the tropics could vegetate 5 months on 13/11 photoperiod, the structure of both plants can't be the same, bushy indicas vegetate with 4-5 more hours of day light of difference. I believe the more light the more leaves you will end up with... I don't want to pass around information that is not 100% verified but I have been working with photoperiods thru out this whole journal and I have seen some crazy (good and bad) results.

Still a lot of work to do for me Ranger, glad to have you interested and asking questions, that is the best way for me to learn even more. Keep asking and if I don't know it we can probably work together to find an answer.

I found this post insightful. I'll be running my tent from now on at 11/13, so I'll be watching to see how well this plays out for me.

 

[Brunt FCA]

Have you gotten rid of those damn mites yet? I had something get into my seedling cabinet. I sprayed everything down with Monterey, twice. Things got a little harrey but now they're growing good. I also dusted the soil with DE.