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You are a lifesaver.Bring it with you on Saturday please.
Ummm....yeah, Cat Drench has never changed. Same exact formula from the beginning.
Are you using Transplant in Veg?
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Ummm....yeah, Cat Drench has never changed. Same exact formula from the beginning.
Are you using Transplant in Veg?
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Cat Drench hasn't changed. Not one little bit.
As far as the "sideways" blame, please elaborate. When people ask me for help, I always give it and almost always it solves the problem.
Sometimes, people "poll the audience" and as eachother for help....I can't be responsible for what may or may not come when someone like Sue gives help and advice. She isn't even aware of which formulas have changed, based on what she's posting.
I'm no longer of the opinion that it's the products Doc. It was my only variation in the three I'm growing right now, so I was understandably cautious when I discovered a string of current grows having the same problem at about the same time in development.
This begs the question of what we could all be doing wrong? Fabric pots have been a staple in my grows, and this is the first time this has happened to me, but it's also happening to others around me. I'm sure you can appreciate our confusion.
Duggan's grow was the red light alarm for me. How do we explain what happened to him, or Gazoo? Gazoo is by the book, so much so he shamed some of us with his attention to detail.
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You're concerned for a potential problem with the batch of CAT that got sent out when you got yours......just a little while ago you were blaming it on the "new" Cat Drench.
Well, there is no new one, and I haven't sent out a bad batch. How do I know this? Because I pour my drenches from the same exact sources that I pour yours from. I have 60 to 99 plants going at any given time and there are hundreds of kit users. If a bad batch went out....a plant killing batch....we'd know all about it.
What is happening here is people using the kit:
1. in fabric pots and not developing a proper rootball.
2. forgetting to drench with transplant in veg
3. Spraying Snake Oil weekly, instead of once or twice during mid-bloom
4. Transplanting too early.
5. Dousing with DeStress twice a week because of 1-4 above.
These are the problems I'm seeing and helping people fix. I cannot fix your problems Sue, especially the problem with the "new" Cat Drench, which isn't new.
Marijuana Plant Nutrient Deficiency & Excess Diagram
Cal-mag? Boron? Phosphorus?
Some plants will be more sensitive than others, and some soil will have different ratios than others. The amendment comes in a big bag. Do we all mix it into one big batch or do we divide it? Is it being divided carefully?
Water? Is everyone using RO? There are no minerals in RO water. Are the filters new or old?
Cal-mag? Boron? Phosphorus?
Some plants will be more sensitive than others, and some soil will have different ratios than others. The amendment comes in a big bag. Do we all mix it into one big batch or do we divide it? Is it being divided carefully?
Water? Is everyone using RO? There are no minerals in RO water. Are the filters new or old?
Yes I am Doc, but according to my records, only once before flip. The procedure in veg is to let them dry out, which limits the number of drenches. How much of a concern would this be? If I'm needing to schedule more in, I'll do so in future.
I would also appreciate it if you took me a little more seriously Doc. We're trying to find a solution, not attack the system. Attacking my character does nothing to help the situation.
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Wow, now you're upping things to "devastating problem." I answer every single question people ask. I think the support for the kit is fantastic. Ask for help and it comes.
I haven't seen you for over a year on my threads and now you show up with complaints about things and "devastating" problems.
When I tell new users to follow directions and they don't....or they follow YOUR directions, which they shouldn't....it's no surprise there are problem.
Again, if it were the products, we'd all see the problem. But when it is user error, like I listed elsewhere, it's not the products, is it?
Marijuana Plant Nutrient Deficiency & Excess Diagram
Cal-mag? Boron? Phosphorus?
Some plants will be more sensitive than others, and some soil will have different ratios than others. The amendment comes in a big bag. Do we all mix it into one big batch or do we divide it? Is it being divided carefully?
Water? Is everyone using RO? There are no minerals in RO water. Are the filters new or old?
My Malawi came from Neiko and he assured me she'd be able to take the full load of drenches.
I mix my soil as a single batch.
I'm using distilled water.
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Indeed. New Cat is Old Cat. Nothing has changed.
Sue, are you in fabric pots? The weather is changing, is your root system cold?
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Even with no fan leaves left, I bet the produce comes out top notch.
1. I dissect my root balls at harvest. None yet hasn't filled the pot.
2. I use Transplant in rotation, but I've been doing two plain waterings in between drenches, as recommended all along by Duggan. Is this causing a concern?
3. I don't use the Snake Oil.
4. If anything, I transplant late.
5. I almost never need DeStress. My plants are usually healthy.
I accept that it isn't the products, but what in the procedure would cause this?
Yes, I'm in fabric pots, but the temperature in the apartment never falls below 73 during days, and 68 at night. I'm fairly certain the roots aren't cold.
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OK, so now you don't believe it's the CAT? I was responding to the stuff on the last page where you said it was the "new" CAT, and then where you said it was a "bad batch" of CAT. Again: CAT drench isn't new, and I use the exact same products you do as they all come from the same tote.
Your're using fabric pots. That's the only constant with the folks having problems. I am fully aware that many more people are growing just fine in fabric pots than not.....but the problems I'm hearing about always come with fabric pots.
I think perhaps an "open source" alternative set of directions might be in use among a handful of kit users and that this is creating some trouble.
Specifically.
Some users are spraying Snake Oil weekly. It's only supposed to be used once or twice in early to mid-bloom.
Some users are spraying DeStress twice weekly along with Brix/Snake Oil weekly and are getting crispy. Too much foliars will salt up the soil in a hurry.
Some are forgetting to use Transplant in veg, and so the first dose of organic nitrogen the plants get is with CAT and the biota aren't able to deal with it.
Other users aren't growing a good rootball and are tranplanting too early....TWICE. The roots get disturbed when this happens and plants can and do have trouble as a result.
Those are the common factors amongst the 8 people (according to you) who have problems.
Just to re-re-re-set the record straight: Cat Drench has never changed. I use the exact same products, from the same tote that all of you use. I do not have these problems, neither do many others. Many more people are NOT having these problems than are.
Let's find out what the trouble is before we start blaming it on things that simply aren't true.
I'm assured by those that've harvested plants with the damaged leaves that the produce is exemplary. Part of me wonders if we need to be concerned at all, and then I look at that poor plant......
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Thank you Ziggy. I walk among all these cultivating geniuses. We knew eventually it'd wear off on me.I grow with the kit, so my expectation is I'll be producing top-quality sativas. Sure, I also grow with RX Green Solutions, but you notice I didn't leave the kit behind like I initially talked of doing? The Carnival I'm smoking came from kit soil, and it's my best produce so far. I have no intention of walking away.
Curiously, the bottom region of the Malawi is unaffected by the distress. I'm wondering if it'd be worth it to chop the top and let the bottom part ride it out.
Any thoughts on this?
If you chop off the top, you'll be removing all the bloom hormones and your plant will grow all silly. Please don't do that.
Doc, thinking about Graytail's post last night about the soil, I'm wondering if it's as simple as not using Transplant often enough in veg? I use TransWater between drenches, so the plants are always getting a spot of both Trans and Tea with each watering, but only one full Transplant drench in veg.
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OK...you're no longer of the opinion that it's the products? Well, thanks for getting everyone riled up that a bad batch of CAT went out, or the NEW CAT, etc. You could say, "I'm sorry."
I see two possibilities RE fabric pots:
1. transplanting too early and disturbing roots
2. Salt build up in the fabric after several runs.
The rest of the issues can be blamed on:
1. forgetting to use Transplant in Veg.
2. Spraying too much, too often
And in the case of Duggan: too many runs on the soil.
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Neiko has gallons of the "new" drenches. ARe his plants crispy? Why not? (or if they are I sure need to hear about it.)
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Whew! I'm glad to here you're thinking about not being concerned as much....a page ago it was a "devastating" problem.
User error is nearly always the trouble. You can blame me for the directions....but seriously, no matter how I write them someone has problems understanding something.
What might be happening is that people are all copying eachother and forgetting about the simple stuff.....like using Transplant in veg, or using Snake Oil every time, instead of twice, etc.