In The Lab

[DrZiggy]

Maybe its this type of sideways blame that keeps others from speaking up
I was hoping some honest feedback would be better received

'sideways' blame'? what is that, Gazoo?

-when a grower produces beautiful plants with the kit, the grower looks and feels like a 'natural', a 'genius'
- its "them" ..when several plants don't do well it becomes the kits fault..

you were hoping honest feedback was being better received?



exactly...

 

[SweetSue]

I don't get it, the cat drench formula didn't change. Ge, Trans, and the snake oil are new formulas, not cat. How is everyone associating the problems to the cat drench?

I associated it because I have three growing and only one in distress. She's the one I used my new bottle of CAT on. The other two I used the last of my original bottle on. The problem occurred directly following her first CAT.

My concern is a potential problem with the batch of CAT that got sent out beginning at the same time I purchased mine.

 

[SweetSue]

'sideways' blame'? what is that, Gazoo?

-when a grower produces beautiful plants with the kit, the grower looks and feels like a 'natural', a 'genius'
- its "them" ..when several plants don't do well it becomes the kits fault..

you were hoping honest feedback was being better received?



exactly...

You obviously don't understand where he's coming from. This is a problem many of us are experiencing at the same time. Many of us are very concerned. We aren't getting what we believe is a serious consideration that there might be something we aren't responsible for. When we grow beautiful plants we all ooo and awww. Have a problem with this kit that we keep being told is so forgiving and the immediate response is almost always "your fault for not following instructions to the letter."

Believe it or not, that response doesn't create an overwhelming confidence that you all have our backs.

Thank you Graytail. Now, what could possibly be the reason only one of my three has shown this devastating problem? All three got identical treatment up until that last CAT application.

 

[TripleBeam]

I have noticed a few spots on my plants that look like that because I was little careless with my foliar spraying and the lights burned the leaves.

 

[DrZiggy]

I associated it because I have three growing and only one in distress. She's the one I used my new bottle of CAT on. The other two I used the last of my original bottle on. The problem occurred directly following her first CAT.

My concern is a potential problem with the batch of CAT that got sent out beginning at the same time I purchased mine.

logically, I'm just saying its most likely NOT the CAT drench, since many, many others, more than not, are not having issues. and maybe its the plant/pot/environment.

is that a possibility?

 

[DrZiggy]

You obviously don't understand where he's coming from. This is a problem many of us are experiencing at the same time. Many of us are very concerned. We aren't getting what we believe is a serious consideration that there might be something we aren't responsible for. When we grow beautiful plants we all ooo and awww. Have a problem with this kit that we keep being told is so forgiving and the immediate response is almost always "your fault for not following instructions to the letter."

Believe it or not, that response doesn't create an overwhelming confidence that you all have our backs.

Thank you Graytail. Now, what could possibly be the reason only one of my three has shown this devastating problem? All three got identical treatment up until that last CAT application.

Sue, obviously, I do get where some are coming from.

I just disagree with opinions that don't make sense to me.

 

[Duggan]

Ziggs....morning bud!
These issues a lot of us are having have zero to do with "plant...pot....enviro"...

 

[Buckshot317]

This is my 1st run with kit. I gave all mine cat, they loved it for most part. The one with blotchy leaves was starting that before cat. I did cat on 4 different strains, all did good.

. The last pic is one I have blotchy leaves, but still doing.

In past I've had similar problems with synthetic nutes, but I let things get outta wack. A friend of mine is running the kit, has 12 plants, all in fabric pots(10gal). He's killing it with new formula. It's weird outta of a bunch of people there's 7-8 with issues

 

[Buckshot317]

Genetics, possibly, duggs

 

[DrZiggy]

Ziggs....morning bud!
These issues a lot of us are having have zero to do with "plant...pot....enviro"...

'zero'? ---> thats a large number to claim.

if it was the kit, the problem(s) would be way more rampant, dont you think?

regardless, I hope the few people that do have issues get back to growing beautiful produce.

 

[SweetSue]

I have noticed a few spots on my plants that look like that because I was little careless with my foliar spraying and the lights burned the leaves.

That was my initial thought, but I'm careful about over spraying and setting them back under the lights, but still..... that's the first thing that comes to mind. This got worse without foliar application, and it's now consuming the entire upper part of the plant.

logically, I'm just saying its most likely NOT the CAT drench, since many, many others, more than not, are not having issues. and maybe its the plant/pot/environment.

is that a possibility?

I've been using the fabric pots from the beginning Zig, and I haven't had this happen before. This is a new batch of soil, in its second run, everything done by the book. My environment has been consistently better this year than ever before, so I'd be surprised at that. Anyway, I have two in the same conditions showing no signs of trauma.

I also don't believe this is the CAT. It's just the only difference in what I've done with all three, with the exception that at two points in her timeline Malawi got three TransWater drenches in a row. Without that hiccup she would have had an additional Transplant drench before being flipped. Could this misstep explain the root zone problem?

 

[SweetSue]

Genetics, possibly, duggs

Could you elaborate Buckshot? My Malawi was a clone from Neiko, so I'd expect he'd have had the same problem. I've considered maybe some chemovars are touchy, and was thinking of asking what chemovars we're having problems with, but this genetic strain I'm working with showed no problems before it came to me and this is her clone, growing in a different medium and with bottled nutrients.

I'm thinking it isn't genetics.

 

[DrZiggy]

That was my initial thought, but I'm careful about over spraying and setting them back under the lights, but still..... that's the first thing that comes to mind. This got worse without foliar application, and it's now consuming the entire upper part of the plant.



I've been using the fabric pots from the beginning Zig, and I haven't had this happen before. This is a new batch of soil, in its second run, everything done by the book. My environment has been consistently better this year than ever before, so I'd be surprised at that. Anyway, I have two in the same conditions showing no signs of trauma.

I also don't believe this is the CAT. It's just the only difference in what I've done with all three, with the exception that at two points in her timeline Malawi got three TransWater drenches in a row. Without that hiccup she would have had an additional Transplant drench before being flipped. Could this misstep explain the root zone problem?

Sue, you're a scientist; a great one,

-your plants/buds, photos, etc look amazing! Your techniques have evolved to produce top shelf herb.

 

[DrZiggy]

That was my initial thought, but I'm careful about over spraying and setting them back under the lights, but still..... that's the first thing that comes to mind. This got worse without foliar application, and it's now consuming the entire upper part of the plant.



I've been using the fabric pots from the beginning Zig, and I haven't had this happen before. This is a new batch of soil, in its second run, everything done by the book. My environment has been consistently better this year than ever before, so I'd be surprised at that. Anyway, I have two in the same conditions showing no signs of trauma.

I also don't believe this is the CAT. It's just the only difference in what I've done with all three, with the exception that at two points in her timeline Malawi got three TransWater drenches in a row. Without that hiccup she would have had an additional Transplant drench before being flipped. Could this misstep explain the root zone problem?

so maybe its the individual plant...

i've had plants that i did everything the same to and it grew different than its sister did..

-like people(kids), animals, etc..

ex.. 2 cars same make/year etc...i will drive that car differently than someone else. my brakes will wear out faster on my car. My car will need different care than your car.

all I'm saying is that i don't think its an ingredient problem.

 

[SweetSue]

I have noticed a few spots on my plants that look like that because I was little careless with my foliar spraying and the lights burned the leaves.

logically, I'm just saying its most likely NOT the CAT drench, since many, many others, more than not, are not having issues. and maybe its the plant/pot/environment.

is that a possibility?

so maybe its the individual plant...

i've had plants that i did everything the same to and it grew different than its sister did..

-like people(kids), animals, etc..

ex.. 2 cars same make/year etc...i will drive that car differently than someone else. my brakes will wear out faster on my car. My car will need different care than your car.

all I'm saying is that i don't think its an ingredient problem.

Agreed. Then it comes down to what could we all be doing wrong to result in this concern? All these different growers with their own procedures, trying their best to stay on track. Having a plant do this is a bit demoralizing, and makes you wonder.

If there's a critical step we're missing we'd appreciate it if we could pin that down. Gazoo, for example, was strictly by the book. He made me feel ashamed at my sometimes casual approach to using the kit, but I've been assured on numerous occasions that drenches have a generous leeway, while foliars are more closely measured. I've done my best to stay within the guidelines.

 

[TripleBeam]

...or for some unknown reason moisture collected on that plant during lights out and when lights came on then the damage was done. Just a possibility.

 

[SweetSue]

Sue, you're a scientist; a great one,

-your plants/buds, photos, etc look amazing! Your techniques have evolved to produce top shelf herb.

Thank you Ziggy. I walk among all these cultivating geniuses. We knew eventually it'd wear off on me. I grow with the kit, so my expectation is I'll be producing top-quality sativas. Sure, I also grow with RX Green Solutions, but you notice I didn't leave the kit behind like I initially talked of doing? The Carnival I'm smoking came from kit soil, and it's my best produce so far. I have no intention of walking away.

Curiously, the bottom region of the Malawi is unaffected by the distress. I'm wondering if it'd be worth it to chop the top and let the bottom part ride it out.

Any thoughts on this?

 

[Doc Bud]

If it were just one of us I might agree Ziggy, but at the moment there are 7 of us having essentially the same problem, so it either is the kit, or we're every one of us doing something terribly wrong, and we'd appreciate more than platitudes in response to the concern we all share.

Seven of us...... Quite frankly I'm getting tired of "it's your fault" as a response to concerns. I'd be happier with some answers. I have two bottles of CAT drench that I'm very leery of using, and it's not like I can grow with the kit without it.

Gee Sue, it sure is good to have you back on my journals.

 

[Doc Bud]

Not sure what you mean by acceptable..

I think if it was the ingredients its likely more than 6-7 people would be experiencing issues.

Hopefully the problem isn't systemic with your other plants.

Bingo. Hundreds of users, and a few here with problems. Do I take this seriously? Yes I do!

Do I know what the problem is? Maybe not, but I do know it's not the ingredients of formulas in the kit. If it was, EVERYONE would have the problem, not just 7 or 8 people.

Perhaps these 8 folks are all getting guidance and advice from eachother or the same person? Perhaps all are using fabric pots?

I'm working on it, but honestly, unless I can reproduce the problems or see them for myself, I don't know how I can blame my products.

The only changes have been the addition of magnesium back in April. I used the new formulas for several runs, along with a few other people and nothing but good reports have come back.

 

[Doc Bud]

Sue

I still have some older Kit Cat I can spare if you need. and it does not involve Chance the Rapper (not having a TV you won't get that, but others should) it's a very annoying commercial to me

Again, the Cat Drench hasn't changed one little bit. This is nothing but misinformation.

The only drenches that changed were GE and Trans, and the change was addition of magnesium. Nothing we were'nt already doing with the old drenches.