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Thats a good point Pennywise.... This makes me a little more excited for my experiments I have going
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I'm pretty excited about it too... I Almost went with DJ Short Blueberry because I love the blueberry flavored weeds like bluedream and even this new blueberry cheesecake that is going around, but the FPOG just really integued me that it had trainwreck, GDP and OG kush in it, and the photos I saw of the FPOG looked stunning with bright colors and dense nugs covered in frost...
I actually considered popping a random blueberry seed as the "extra" plant space but still think the gods gift may be a better choice overall to pair it together.
I tried Gods Gift about a month ago and really liked the effects. Real nice head that slides into a calm relaxed body stone.
I grew out the Michigan Cup winning cut of Wedding Cake and a Wedding Cake x FPOG and honestly I think the cross with FPOG was better all around. It grew quicker, yielded more, smelt better and even looked better. Since then i have been all about the FPOG. I have wanted to get seeds but could never find them when i had money and then never had money when I found them lol!
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I've had wedding cake before and my impression was that it was strong and got me extremely high, however it was like most other cookies crosses and it was just ok in the flavor department. I do like the extreme high which is why I thought it may pair perfectly with the FPOG too... so thats really good to know that you liked the cross better
Its been probably 5 years since I grew a cookies strain, which is part of why I decided to pop it into the garden.. kind of wish I never got rid of my original thin mints cut years ago... 
Never was a huge fan of growing cookies as the plants were really tempermental and hated to be topped and the flavor was always lacking, but always had super dense and frosty buds that would get you super high... Glad to have it back in the garden for a short while. I also know a guy, who knows a guy, who may know a guy who in a few months may have some FPOG seeds so I will put the word out for when they are finished..
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GODS GIFT PROJECT UPDATE (last day of veg)
The Gods Gift project has been in veg now since the seeds were first placed into soil around December 19th so they have been now in veg for about 4.5 months. (much longer than I would have liked). Due to my situation and having perpetual grows, its very hard to judge the timing between my veg and flowering tents, therefore due to these plants intense vigor and the long veg period, I've had to top them numerous times through the 4 month period.
Plant Sexes:
Overall out of 6 plants, 4 are suspected at this time to be male and 2 are definitely female. All 6 of the plants are almost identical in height, node spacing is very similar, branching is similar and leaf size and structure is similar. All of the 6 phenos do have slight differences but overall the seem to be less variation that I would have expected. Stem rubs on the males do show that there seem to be 2 distinct terpene profiles, where one has a more fuel/dill pickle smell which I would assume is leaning more OG kush heavy. The other stem rub reveals a sweet, slight berry, hot wax smell which is definitely more of a trait of the berry strains like BCS and GDP.
The 2 Females:
Both of the females are very similar in structure, height and branching, however they also do have distinct differences between them. The terpene profiles are both different based on a stemrub, leaf profiles are different slightly, and branching structure although similar does have some unique differences.
Phenotype #2
This phenotype definitely leans more towards the GDP parent in structure/branching, stem rub/terpenes and leafy/node growth trait, however has the long stretchy internodes of typical OG kushes. The stems are thick and seem to be quite rigid. The internodes on this have very leafy nodes similar to how GDP grows where a lot of "cleanup pruning" is needed to control the larf quite often. This phenotype also has the lanky long "wacky" branching that GDP typically shows on the lower branches where it has vine like characteristics. On a stem rub, the terpenes reveal a sweet berry mixed with a hot wax smell which is very similar to other berry strains I've grown. The leaves on this pheno are showing a slight nitrogen toxicity from their last feeding as well as slightly "bluish" leaves so I will have to ease up on the nitrogen next cycle. GDP is definitely a very finicky plant in my experience, so also this phenotype definitely shows a little more stress to nutrients than the other pheno which has none shown.
Phenotype #7
This phenotype definitely leans more to the OG Kush parent. aAlthough similar in overall structure, height, branching to the other phenotype of gods gift, this pheno definitely shows more similarity to traditional OG kushes. The stems on this phenotype are sturdy with long internodes and much less "larfy internode leaf" as the other phenotype which is more typical of an OG kush. This phenotype still does have some of those "wacky" branches on GDP but overall the structure resembles more of OG kush. A stem rub on this phenotype reveals a dill pickle/fuel smell which definitely is a trait of OG Kush plants so most likely the terpenes will lean more in this direction. This plant is showing less nutrient stress than the other phenotype so it seems to be more tolerant of "hot" N feedings than the other.
Overall Veg impressions:
Its been actually quite pleasant growing the Gods Gift through Veg as they have been extremely hardy, easy to grow, tolerant plants which exploded in growth once the roots established. All of the plants including the males really throw off quite a bit of fragrance when the leaves and branches are moved around. Having grown both parents (GDP and OG kush) I find that the Gods Gift is a great blend of the best of the attributes of each strain. The uniformity in plant height and structure was quite close and for those looking to do a sea of green this line of genetics seems to be fairly "worked" and consistent in that area. I look forward to how they perform in flowering. Thus far I would say for ease of growing 5 out of 5.
Today I will be setting the timers for 12/12 and we will watch as these beauties go into flowering. I have taken clones of each of the female phenotypes and will chose one for future seed projects based on how they perform in early and mid flowering.
All Gods Gift Plants:
The Gods Gift project has been in veg now since the seeds were first placed into soil around December 19th so they have been now in veg for about 4.5 months. (much longer than I would have liked). Due to my situation and having perpetual grows, its very hard to judge the timing between my veg and flowering tents, therefore due to these plants intense vigor and the long veg period, I've had to top them numerous times through the 4 month period.
Plant Sexes:
Overall out of 6 plants, 4 are suspected at this time to be male and 2 are definitely female. All 6 of the plants are almost identical in height, node spacing is very similar, branching is similar and leaf size and structure is similar. All of the 6 phenos do have slight differences but overall the seem to be less variation that I would have expected. Stem rubs on the males do show that there seem to be 2 distinct terpene profiles, where one has a more fuel/dill pickle smell which I would assume is leaning more OG kush heavy. The other stem rub reveals a sweet, slight berry, hot wax smell which is definitely more of a trait of the berry strains like BCS and GDP.
The 2 Females:
Both of the females are very similar in structure, height and branching, however they also do have distinct differences between them. The terpene profiles are both different based on a stemrub, leaf profiles are different slightly, and branching structure although similar does have some unique differences.
Phenotype #2
This phenotype definitely leans more towards the GDP parent in structure/branching, stem rub/terpenes and leafy/node growth trait, however has the long stretchy internodes of typical OG kushes. The stems are thick and seem to be quite rigid. The internodes on this have very leafy nodes similar to how GDP grows where a lot of "cleanup pruning" is needed to control the larf quite often. This phenotype also has the lanky long "wacky" branching that GDP typically shows on the lower branches where it has vine like characteristics. On a stem rub, the terpenes reveal a sweet berry mixed with a hot wax smell which is very similar to other berry strains I've grown. The leaves on this pheno are showing a slight nitrogen toxicity from their last feeding as well as slightly "bluish" leaves so I will have to ease up on the nitrogen next cycle. GDP is definitely a very finicky plant in my experience, so also this phenotype definitely shows a little more stress to nutrients than the other pheno which has none shown.
Phenotype #7
This phenotype definitely leans more to the OG Kush parent. aAlthough similar in overall structure, height, branching to the other phenotype of gods gift, this pheno definitely shows more similarity to traditional OG kushes. The stems on this phenotype are sturdy with long internodes and much less "larfy internode leaf" as the other phenotype which is more typical of an OG kush. This phenotype still does have some of those "wacky" branches on GDP but overall the structure resembles more of OG kush. A stem rub on this phenotype reveals a dill pickle/fuel smell which definitely is a trait of OG Kush plants so most likely the terpenes will lean more in this direction. This plant is showing less nutrient stress than the other phenotype so it seems to be more tolerant of "hot" N feedings than the other.
Overall Veg impressions:
Its been actually quite pleasant growing the Gods Gift through Veg as they have been extremely hardy, easy to grow, tolerant plants which exploded in growth once the roots established. All of the plants including the males really throw off quite a bit of fragrance when the leaves and branches are moved around. Having grown both parents (GDP and OG kush) I find that the Gods Gift is a great blend of the best of the attributes of each strain. The uniformity in plant height and structure was quite close and for those looking to do a sea of green this line of genetics seems to be fairly "worked" and consistent in that area. I look forward to how they perform in flowering. Thus far I would say for ease of growing 5 out of 5.
Today I will be setting the timers for 12/12 and we will watch as these beauties go into flowering. I have taken clones of each of the female phenotypes and will chose one for future seed projects based on how they perform in early and mid flowering.
All Gods Gift Plants:
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I always was a fan of gods gift... for me the high was heavy which I liked and the flavor was always a good blend of gassy og and GDP I found myself getting it quite often over the years on different dispensary runs. It was always a good "go to" for me for something I know would do the trick
Super excited about this project
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Also to be included in the Gods Gift pollen chucking project.....
My Black Diamond OG x Black Cherry Soda (rev) that I popped slightly after the gods gifts. This is actually the first seed I've ever planted of my own creations/breeding.. so I'm pretty excited about it. I thought that the combination of BCS and BDOG would blend really well with the gods gift because of the similar parents (og kush and a berry flavored strain) as well as extremely dense nugs that are rock hard. (both BCS and BDOG have).
Although I would prefer to have pheno hunted the BDOG x BCS prior to including it in this project, I just was excited to pop a seed of my own and have some fun "experimenting". I may have to cover a few of these buds as well so I can smoke them seedless and see how the BDOG X BCS is..
The stem rub on this one is VERY interesting... with a distinct leather smell, mixed with a deep cherry/berry and then followed by a gas/fuel stank... I'm super excited about this one!
Quite a beautiful plant though... I'm quite impressed. Very hard to germinate the seeds of this cross though...
My Black Diamond OG x Black Cherry Soda (rev) that I popped slightly after the gods gifts. This is actually the first seed I've ever planted of my own creations/breeding.. so I'm pretty excited about it. I thought that the combination of BCS and BDOG would blend really well with the gods gift because of the similar parents (og kush and a berry flavored strain) as well as extremely dense nugs that are rock hard. (both BCS and BDOG have).
Although I would prefer to have pheno hunted the BDOG x BCS prior to including it in this project, I just was excited to pop a seed of my own and have some fun "experimenting". I may have to cover a few of these buds as well so I can smoke them seedless and see how the BDOG X BCS is..
The stem rub on this one is VERY interesting... with a distinct leather smell, mixed with a deep cherry/berry and then followed by a gas/fuel stank... I'm super excited about this one!
Quite a beautiful plant though... I'm quite impressed. Very hard to germinate the seeds of this cross though...
So, this raises an interesting point....
I've always believed that there's a difference between a plant that's prone to hermying (what I call a "Natural Hermie") vs. a plant that's made to hermie through some form of stress (a "forced hermie").
With a natural hermie, the tendency to hermy is in the plant's DNA, so it would possibly be passed down genetically.
With a forced hermie, this tendency should not be in the DNA so I can't see how it could be passed down genetically. I just don't see how stress could change the genetic structure?
If the plant hermies easily, I definitely wouldn't use it for breeding purposes. But, if the plant is forced to hermie, whether it's through STS, CS, light stress, PH stress, or any other type of stress, I personally would think you'd be fine using it for breeding.
I don't have any scientific data to back this up so my hypothesis is based more on logic, but it makes sense to me!
I agree, S1 offspring will have the same genetics as the mother. If the mother isn’t prone to hermy then her offspring won’t either. That’s my thinking.
Man your plants are looking healthy. I was not expecting the structure of them to be what they are. I am so used to dense low bushes getting grown. Looks like a good way to pack a tent with a bunch of plants.
I know a Yeti that would greatly appreciate it! It is funny you say that the cookie strains have no flavor, yet everyone talks about being a flavor chaser now a days. They all talk about terps and taste but I see a lot of people that find the cookie varieties to be bland. They do tend to be great looking buds that are super dense. The Wedding Cake was even super gassy. But I knoe I prefer fruit (berry), fuel lemon tasting strains over bland tastes.
Well from all I have read, there are some plants prone to hermie no matter what and then ones that hermie from stress as you mentioned. I know some breeders prefer to use neither. One of ther criteria is no herms even frm stress. I have issues with a lot of things I grow throwing bananas. I have found a few plants that would be solid no matter what and I enjoyed growing them the most lol. I have also grown a couple of things that threw full on male flowers and I was very unimpressed with them.
I've had wedding cake before and my impression was that it was strong and got me extremely high, however it was like most other cookies crosses and it was just ok in the flavor department. I do like the extreme high which is why I thought it may pair perfectly with the FPOG too... so thats really good to know that you liked the cross better
I also know a guy, who knows a guy, who may know a guy who in a few months may have some FPOG seeds so I will put the word out for when they are finished..
I know a Yeti that would greatly appreciate it! It is funny you say that the cookie strains have no flavor, yet everyone talks about being a flavor chaser now a days. They all talk about terps and taste but I see a lot of people that find the cookie varieties to be bland. They do tend to be great looking buds that are super dense. The Wedding Cake was even super gassy. But I knoe I prefer fruit (berry), fuel lemon tasting strains over bland tastes.
So, this raises an interesting point....
I've always believed that there's a difference between a plant that's prone to hermying (what I call a "Natural Hermie") vs. a plant that's made to hermie through some form of stress (a "forced hermie").
With a natural hermie, the tendency to hermy is in the plant's DNA, so it would possibly be passed down genetically.
With a forced hermie, this tendency should not be in the DNA so I can't see how it could be passed down genetically. I just don't see how stress could change the genetic structure?
If the plant hermies easily, I definitely wouldn't use it for breeding purposes. But, if the plant is forced to hermie, whether it's through STS, CS, light stress, PH stress, or any other type of stress, I personally would think you'd be fine using it for breeding.
I don't have any scientific data to back this up so my hypothesis is based more on logic, but it makes sense to me!
Well from all I have read, there are some plants prone to hermie no matter what and then ones that hermie from stress as you mentioned. I know some breeders prefer to use neither. One of ther criteria is no herms even frm stress. I have issues with a lot of things I grow throwing bananas. I have found a few plants that would be solid no matter what and I enjoyed growing them the most lol. I have also grown a couple of things that threw full on male flowers and I was very unimpressed with them.
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Quick update:
Origin of the FPOG seeds:
So I asked the breeder who I received the FPOG seeds from where he got them. He told me that he got them from a breeder named OBSOUL33T and that what I was given isn't FPOG but instead ORANGE FPOG.
Orange FPOG = FPOG x Orange Juice.
Orange Juice is supposedly: (Underdog OG bag seed) x California Orange x OG kush
I was a little pissed that he didn't write "orange" fpog on the seeds and that I have already popped them, as I am not a big fan of orange flavored cannabis but I guess at this point I will just ride out the project and see what becomes of it.
There is very little information on "orange FPOG" or the breeder OBSOUL33T, but from what I gathered from other forums, a few people who have grown Orange FPOG have had great luck. There are also others who mention that this guy was associated with a group of scammers who were selling untested "pollen chucks" and then disappeared off the scene. Now thats someones opinion I found on another forum and there is very little information about this particular breeder or his work..
So I guess I'm a little pissed that I didn't know this wasn't pure FPOG and was misled by what was written on the package., but in the same I am happy that the person who gave the beans to me was able to at least give me the info of the breeder they came from and details... I guess this will be an experimental grow to see what I get. Supposedly this Orange FPOG has a ton of variety, and so most likely it will be a luck shot of getting a good pheno, but only time will tell. Anyhow kind of bummed about learning this new info, but hopefully I will have something good in the end. I will keep my hopes up.
Origin of the FPOG seeds:
So I asked the breeder who I received the FPOG seeds from where he got them. He told me that he got them from a breeder named OBSOUL33T and that what I was given isn't FPOG but instead ORANGE FPOG.
Orange FPOG = FPOG x Orange Juice.
Orange Juice is supposedly: (Underdog OG bag seed) x California Orange x OG kush
I was a little pissed that he didn't write "orange" fpog on the seeds and that I have already popped them, as I am not a big fan of orange flavored cannabis but I guess at this point I will just ride out the project and see what becomes of it.
There is very little information on "orange FPOG" or the breeder OBSOUL33T, but from what I gathered from other forums, a few people who have grown Orange FPOG have had great luck. There are also others who mention that this guy was associated with a group of scammers who were selling untested "pollen chucks" and then disappeared off the scene. Now thats someones opinion I found on another forum and there is very little information about this particular breeder or his work..
So I guess I'm a little pissed that I didn't know this wasn't pure FPOG and was misled by what was written on the package., but in the same I am happy that the person who gave the beans to me was able to at least give me the info of the breeder they came from and details... I guess this will be an experimental grow to see what I get. Supposedly this Orange FPOG has a ton of variety, and so most likely it will be a luck shot of getting a good pheno, but only time will tell. Anyhow kind of bummed about learning this new info, but hopefully I will have something good in the end. I will keep my hopes up.
Obsoul33t did a lot of work with Alien Technology, he’s actually the one who got the Alien Seeds from the US soldier that brought them out of Afghanistan.
As Forest Gump would say, "Popping seeds is like a box of chocolates - you never know what you'll get!"
Any pure FPOG seed would have a chance of being a dud and any of the "non-pure" FPOG seeds have a chance of being stellar!
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Thats good to know. There seems to be very little information about Obs and his work, so that is definitely good to hear. I will keep my fingers crossed for this one and hope that I get some good phenos, and no hermies (a lot of talk online about his orange strains having hermi issues)... we will see
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As Forest Gump would say, "Popping seeds is like a box of chocolates - you never know what you'll get!"
Any pure FPOG seed would have a chance of being a dud and any of the "non-pure" FPOG seeds have a chance of being stellar!
That is very true... Hopefully I get some amazing phenos. Fingers crossed
Lt. Dan Taylor: Have you found Jesus yet, Gump?
Forrest Gump: I didn't know that we were supposed to be lookin' for him, sir.
Still one of my favorite movies from my past
quotes for days!
He created strains like Starfighter that was used by Exotic Genetics. Aliendog, Tahoe Alien and other Alien crosses.
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Thats good to know Pennywise! You are definitely making me feel MUCH better about popping those seeds.
I have his Aliendog and bought his Alien Tarantula.
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I grew his Chem 91 x Alliendog cherry several times and have the mom in my tent still. She's that good. If that's a reflection on the breeder, I'd rank them high.