Icemud LED Grow Featuring The All New Budmaster COB Technology - White Full Spectrum

[Icemud]

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Hey everyone!!!!

Update time!



So I fell asleep really early last night, was beat from work, plus some sample edibles from a potential vendor at work so I didn't get a chance to snap any photos of the flowering tent. So I promise I will take them tonight when I get home from work and update the journal for the flowering tent.


I did manage to get up this morning and both my veg tents were still on, so I took some photos of the plants in their beauty.



The VEG/Seed Project tent:

Well the ladies in this tent are coming along very strongly and they really have exploded with growth over the last week. I topped all the girls today as they will be used for my seed project involving my black cherry soda, which will be turned male with CS, and I will pollenate all the others in the tent to get some crosses going. I don't want the plants too bushy, but ideally I want 2 solid colas which should harbor a good amount of seeds. I don't think I will be vegging these plants for much longer, probably another week or 2 and then they will get flipped. Since yield is not my goal, I really don't need large plants. All of these plants though look very healthy and happy and have some nice leaf shine to them Last night I gave them some pure R/O water to quench their thirst. Right now I have only watered them about 1x per week and a half, since they are still very small.

The veg/Mother tent:

This tent is also doing very well, I finally got my tangie phenotype 6 to root in my clone tray so I will be putting it in soil tonight and then all my strains will have a mother to them. This tent will just be keeping the plants in veg until one of the other tents opens up in which then I will be moving over all the plants to flower, as well as making copies of them. I may continue my seed project at this point with another round of seeds, and I think the male will be ogiesel since its my favorite strain I have, and I really want to get feminized seeds from her. That of course is a few months out so we will see.

 

[jandre2k3]

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Icemud, you always give be the best weed growing pics.

 

[ShiggityFlip]

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Wow! that is awesome that you are sponsored by Budmaster too! Paul is such an amazing owner, very involved with perfecting his products and seems to really be ahead of the game in terms of plant lighting. Always working on new innovations and ideas You will love the Budmasters, which ones are you rocking?

The red light is using only Osram IR 730nm chips and the purpose (which I still have to research more) is for leaving on for I believe 2 hours after lights out. The addition of IR light after dark converts the Pfr to Pr faster which allows for boosting the flowering hormones in the plant. This is supposed to speed up the process. I think they also can be used during the full daylight schedule too, but I have to read up more on it.

I will most likely add the red light to this current flowering grow, but I almost want to wait until next grow so I really can see the benefits of it as well as just how the COB's do by themselves we will see

I will have some 730nm lights on their way soon. Run 13 hours light, and then 30-45 min of the 730nm when the lights turn off. It will convert the Pfr to Pr and give you in effect 13 hours light and 13 hours darkness.

 

[drcannabi]

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Wow! that is awesome that you are sponsored by Budmaster too! Paul is such an amazing owner, very involved with perfecting his products and seems to really be ahead of the game in terms of plant lighting. Always working on new innovations and ideas You will love the Budmasters, which ones are you rocking?

The red light is using only Osram IR 730nm chips and the purpose (which I still have to research more) is for leaving on for I believe 2 hours after lights out. The addition of IR light after dark converts the Pfr to Pr faster which allows for boosting the flowering hormones in the plant. This is supposed to speed up the process. I think they also can be used during the full daylight schedule too, but I have to read up more on it.

I will most likely add the red light to this current flowering grow, but I almost want to wait until next grow so I really can see the benefits of it as well as just how the COB's do by themselves we will see

Great update Icemud! Paul sent me one of those lights to. He mentioned the Emerson effect. So this is used in flower? Effectively that would be 14 hours of light. Doesn't that screw up the flowering period? Or does the red light not tell the plants they are still under light? Let me know what you think and I'll give it a go.

I started out as a customer for BudMaster. I bought a 9 panel GOD 1st generation. Then I upgraded that to a GOD 1200 (16 panels). Paul sent me a GOD 8 2nd generation and Emerson 2 for the sponsored journal. So I'll have 24 panels of GOD light and the 2 panel Emerson in my 5x5 tent. Right around 1000 watts of led. Temps are right around 10 over ambient so I got my air conditioner going to keep the garage at 70.this keeps the temp just below 80.

You're right about Paul and him staying ahead of the curve. He's constantly improving the design and researching new tech. Good guy for sure!

 

[Icemud]

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Ok everyone....the long awaited and highly anticipated update of my flowering tent! Haha

Today makes day 11 of flowering from the flip The tent consists of 3 of my favorite tangie phenotypes, ogiesel, fire og, harlequin, black cherry soda and black diamond og.. oh yea! The ladies are looking amazing already, healthy leaves for the most part, nice flower formation now is in full effect and the stretch seems slightly less than previous grows which may have to do with the recent topping a few days before I flipped the girls over to 12/12. I noticed that the flowers took slightly longer this time to pop, usually its around 8 days after the flip so they are a few days late which also could be due to the topping previous to flowering, or maybe the GLR (usually caused faster flowering time in the past) or the full white spectrum. Not sure and really no big deal, but just an observation worth noting.

So a few days ago I gave the girls a watering with some hydrolyzed fish, equillibrium, potassium silicate (what I use for raising PH) and some thrive alive B organic. The girls seemed to really like it as they look very healthy the last few days. I will be feeding them again in a few days, probably friday, so today I got their next feeding prepared which consists of pretty much the same mix as above, but instead of hydrolyzed fish I used squid, and added some earth juice bloom as well.

Other than that not much to report on supposedly my new lights come tomorrow as well as the extra fan for my COB light that had a fan stop so excited to install the new one and run the light at 100% power, (its been on only 1/2 power) because I didn't want to overheat the COB. Also some exciting new lights to test and run as well so I will update as I get the time, most likely it will be this weekend when I have a chance to shoot my typical testing, unboxing video

Here are today's photos:

 

[Christine Green]

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+Reps!

 

[drcannabi]

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Absolutely beautiful Icemud. They all look so great. Stoked to see your unboxing ceremony they always are great. Ogiesel and Fire og are great strains. All the rest are awesome too, but I'm really looking forward to those 2.

When you get a chance check my pay above this update and let me know the deal on the Osram IR 730nm-chips. I've got one of those too but am a little gin shy to run it at lights out. Only because of my ingrained old school lighting knowledge.

Awesome grow Ice!

 

[millertm]

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1000 watts LED now your talking. Awesome garden Ice.

Cheers

Sent from my SPH-L720T using 420

 

[jandre2k3]

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the internet if for porn, and you've got some of the best.

 

[Light Addict]

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He he so were all gonna be playing with these Emersons soon nice healthy garden my friend! Looking forward to your unveiling! I've got some new toys myself coming in soon and should really interest yourself as they're probably the closest to sunlight you can go led wise!

 

[Fuzzy Duck]

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COB led grow is looking pretty sweet Ice.

I don't know & perhaps my eyes but the girls under the COB seem to be more bushy with slightly tighter inter node spacing, what do you think Ice ?


Very interesting that Bud Master have sent out the red led stuff to fellow sponsors & look forwards so to seeing the emerson effect on the end results

 

[Icemud]

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Well its going to be another week before I get my shipment. I received a call today from the shipping company and they needed me to pay the duties on the shipment (about $66) before they could pick up the package at the airport. Last time I received my lights, they were delivered by Fedex, and they billed me in the mail for the duties fees. This time its a different company and they wont even be able to pick up the lights until I pay the duties, and then it will be 5-7 days for delivery as my lights are currently at JFK airport across the country. Was hoping they would be here today but guess I will have to wait another week. oh well, sort of a bummer but I guess I will have to just wait..... I'm such an impatient person for being a stoner..LOL

At least this will give me time this weekend to do more research on all the possibilities of IR light.


To those I didn't respond to in the last few days, I will get to your questions/comments. Been extremely busy the last few days.

 

[Icemud]

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Quick Update:


Finally my tangie pheno 6 rooted and is now in soil woo hoo!!! I have to say these cuttings took forever to root, usually I take my cuttings from the lowest branches on the plant as I read once they have more rooting hormone in them, and this time I took the cuttings from the top of the plant. I wonder if this is why?>

Anyhow all the plants I have now have 2 copies of the clones, one for the mother tent, and one for my seed project which is underway

Not sure how long I will veg the plants for, as they don't need to be big. Probably will give them another 2 weeks and flip them. I do have to get them into larger pots just for more soil to house the roots

 

[Fuzzy Duck]

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Strange you mention about cuttings from top & bottom of the plant.


I use to clone a lot in the beginning often taking cuttings from the bottom branches with about 75% success of rooting, but grown out a couple of strains which where intended for mothers but most of the top clones would only achieve about 50% success of rooting with some failing to root or just beginning to root after the 10 to 14 days.

I don't use any fancy rooting gels or foliar feeds for the clones & just let em get on with it really, i just take more than i need selecting the strongest the rest get binned.


Ye an interesting point & just felt like sharing my own experience as successful cloning is always a good topic to share opinions or methods about

 

[Icemud]

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He he so were all gonna be playing with these Emersons soon nice healthy garden my friend! Looking forward to your unveiling! I've got some new toys myself coming in soon and should really interest yourself as they're probably the closest to sunlight you can go led wise!

Yea I'm excited to try different things with the Emersons... I'm wondering how increasing the R/Far Red ratio will effect growth and terpene production. I know that the IR will help with the Emerson Effect which should accelerate photosynthesis but I'm curious at what ratios is the best. Also I read that a higher ratio of Red/Far Red in the intra canopy has increased terpenes in cotton plants, so I wonder if adding IR will play into this as well. Lots of questions, and very little info.

Also excited to see the flowering acceleration in effect too

New lights like the sun? tell me more PM or email is cool too if its still private info

 

[Icemud]

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Strange you mention about cuttings from top & bottom of the plant.


I use to clone a lot in the beginning often taking cuttings from the bottom branches with about 75% success of rooting, but grown out a couple of strains which where intended for mothers but most of the top clones would only achieve about 50% success of rooting with some failing to root or just beginning to root after the 10 to 14 days.

I don't use any fancy rooting gels or foliar feeds for the clones & just let em get on with it really, i just take more than i need selecting the strongest the rest get binned.


Ye an interesting point & just felt like sharing my own experience as successful cloning is always a good topic to share opinions or methods about

Its good to know that you saw the same trends as far as cutting from the top vs the bottom. I can't remember where I read that, I know it was years ago, when I was a new member here at 420.

I still have been using clonex...figured I would until its gone, but still have my Aloe Vera plant growing, and want to try using it instead with the sacilic acid

 

[drcannabi]

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I've got one too (BM Emerson). Know idea how to use it. If anyone has the info let me know and I'll be the guinea pig for the team lol!

 

[Icemud]

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Icemud, you always give be the best weed growing pics.

Haha, Thanks Jandre! Always loved taking photos of nature even if its artificial nature

I will have some 730nm lights on their way soon. Run 13 hours light, and then 30-45 min of the 730nm when the lights turn off. It will convert the Pfr to Pr and give you in effect 13 hours light and 13 hours darkness.

I've been reading into this, that seems to be the general aspect for the flowering trigger part of IR light. I am looking into it in depth because I want to know how long it should be run, as well as should I run it for the full daytime, partial daylight, evenings or just at lights off. It seems that IR causes stretching if used at certain duration, part of also the shade avoidance syndrome for intra canopy stretching as well, so I want to use it correctly. So far from what I gathered it should be used for range of 15mins at lights out to 2 hours from different sources. So I am aiming to see what is right I will report all that I find

Great update Icemud! Paul sent me one of those lights to. He mentioned the Emerson effect. So this is used in flower? Effectively that would be 14 hours of light. Doesn't that screw up the flowering period? Or does the red light not tell the plants they are still under light? Let me know what you think and I'll give it a go.

I started out as a customer for BudMaster. I bought a 9 panel GOD 1st generation. Then I upgraded that to a GOD 1200 (16 panels). Paul sent me a GOD 8 2nd generation and Emerson 2 for the sponsored journal. So I'll have 24 panels of GOD light and the 2 panel Emerson in my 5x5 tent. Right around 1000 watts of led. Temps are right around 10 over ambient so I got my air conditioner going to keep the garage at 70.this keeps the temp just below 80.

You're right about Paul and him staying ahead of the curve. He's constantly improving the design and researching new tech. Good guy for sure!

The emerson effect is a different thing from IR being used as a flowering trigger.

The Emerson effect relates to photosynthesis. To be sort of general about it, there are 2 reaction centers involved with photosynthesis. Photosystem II (P680) and Photosystem I P700.

Photosystem I or P700 takes in electrons from IR light or light >680nm

Photosystem 2 or P680 takes in electrons from <680nm.

Emerson was experimenting with red and far red light and determined that when using both red and IR light together, photosynthesis was greater than using either IR or RED by themselves. This helped to the realization that there were 2 photosystems but also shows adding "some" IR light to the daylight is beneficial as well. Now for the Emerson effect, my question that I haven't found an answer to yet is home much IR to regular light? what ratio... and how long during the day and at what period is most effective for this? Both the GOD series light and the COB series emit IR already, so is this enough during regular daylight? or is adding more beneficial? That is what I hope to answer.


The other use for IR is as a flowering trigger, as was spoken about earlier, for using it to help convert Pfr to Pr. That also leaves some quesitons to be answered as how long to run this IR, and when should it be turned on? or should it be run all day for the emerson effect, and then also about 1 hour later than the daylight schedule for flowering trigger as well ? Hopefully we all collaboratively can answer this

+Reps!

Thank you Pinky!!

Absolutely beautiful Icemud. They all look so great. Stoked to see your unboxing ceremony they always are great. Ogiesel and Fire og are great strains. All the rest are awesome too, but I'm really looking forward to those 2.

When you get a chance check my pay above this update and let me know the deal on the Osram IR 730nm-chips. I've got one of those too but am a little gin shy to run it at lights out. Only because of my ingrained old school lighting knowledge.

Awesome grow Ice!

Thanks DrCannabi!

I am excited to do the unboxing as well and all the testing perfect timing too as the seed tent plants are still small so I can use it for my par testing as in the other videos wont be able to do the PAR testing for the Emerson panel though, as the PAR meter doesn't sense that range of light. From what I read, with IR a very little goes a long way

Yep, Ogiesel is one of my favorite strains, and one of my oldest too I think I've had it for at least 3 years now Such a hardy plant, and so potent, not a high yielder but really makes up for it in strength and flavor. Its going to be my second round in my seed project, not only feminized seeds, but it will be crossed with all my other strains.. I couldn't imagine Tangiesel, or FireGiesel lol wow

I will report back everything I read on the emerson panels I am very excited to try them as well

 

[Icemud]

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COB led grow is looking pretty sweet Ice.

I don't know & perhaps my eyes but the girls under the COB seem to be more bushy with slightly tighter inter node spacing, what do you think Ice ?


Very interesting that Bud Master have sent out the red led stuff to fellow sponsors & look forwards so to seeing the emerson effect on the end results

From what I have noticed so far, the COBs seem to really be very similar to the growth traits I saw with HID lighting. The leaves seem to have much larger surface area, just overall bigger leaves, and they seem thicker too. The node spacing is actually very good, tight but not overly tight, just about perfect I'm absolutely loving how the COBs grow my plants, and really curious how this grow will turn out yield wise. The first run I did with the COBs, I only put them in on day 30 of flowering, so i wasn't really able to get a good feel of how they performed for the whole grow, but now with this grow being from clone to finish with the COBs, I'm very impressed

I'm excited to be trying out the emerson panels and really awesome there is a bunch of Budmaster users here, all trying them out. Should be fun experimenting with them. I encourage everyone to share whatever they find and experience exciting times

I've got one too (BM Emerson). Know idea how to use it. If anyone has the info let me know and I'll be the guinea pig for the team lol!

I have a decent idea of of how they can be used, just a lot of questions on the specifics. I really wish I had the room to do some side by sides of with and without to show the difference, maybe I will be able to do this in the near future

 

[Icemud]

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A Moderate to High Red to Far-red Light Ratio from Light-emitting Diodes Controls Flowering of Short-day Plants

Daedre S. Craig1 and Erik S. Runkle2

In protected cultivation of short-day (SD) plants, flowering can be inhibited by lighting from incandescent (INC) lamps during the night. INC lamps are being phased out of production and replaced by light-emitting diodes (LEDs), but an effective spectrum to control flowering has not been thoroughly examined. We quantified how the red [R (600 to 700 nm)] to far red [FR (700 to 800 nm)] ratio (R:FR) of photoperiodic lighting from LEDs influenced flowering and extension growth of SD plants. Chrysanthemum (Chrysanthemum ×morifolium), dahlia (Dahlia hortensis), and african marigold (Tagetes erecta) were grown at 20 °C under a 9-hour day with or without a 4-hour night interruption (NI) treatment by INC lamps or LEDs with seven different R:FR ranging from all R to all FR. Flowering in the most sensitive species, chrysanthemum, was not inhibited by an R:FR of 0.28 or lower, whereas an R:FR of 0.66 or above reduced flowering percentage. Flowering in dahlia was incomplete under the FR-only NI and under SDs, but time to flower was similar under the remaining NI treatments. The least sensitive species, african marigold, flowered under all treatments, but flowering was most rapid under the FR-only NI and under SDs. For all species, stem length increased quadratically as the R:FR of the NI increased, reaching a maximum at R:FR of ≈0.66. We conclude that in these SD plants, a moderate to high R:FR (0.66 or greater) is most effective at interrupting the long night, blue light is not needed to interrupt the night, and FR light alone does not regulate flowering.

Here is an interesting study on ratios.