Icemud LED Grow Featuring The All New Budmaster COB Technology - White Full Spectrum

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Hey everyone!

Just a quick video update :)

enjoy

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BM GOD looks very good for just over two weeks of flowering & nice early bud growth.

BM COB looking ok for veg growth seems a little slow but when considering these are clones plants which may lack a little vigour in growth when compared to seeds & that they where topped to promote side lateral branches via displacement of auxin, all appears pretty normal to be honest.

Plus ya got several different strains which all respond differently in growth characteristic's & makes this quite interesting to watch 'n' ponder over :Namaste:


Just some questions Ice...

1. Average lights on temp & lights off temp & how much difference between leds / hps.

2. RH ! lights on/off or how you control RH during these periods & did it increase when you started using leds from past hps set up ?



The only reason i ask as i'm firm believer in environmental conditions best suited for mmj as well as lighting, but we have both been kicking around the forums for a few years now & was wondering on your own opinion on the transition between hps to led growing to which you have experience off !
 
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Great video Ice. It is so fun to watch your grow as it is like seeing an advanced version of what I have going on here. By watching you I can see where my 2, 4x2 tents can go.

I could likely look back and find the date but that is 16 days from light flip right? They look marvelous!

Bob ;)
 
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Hey bro, I've been following your grows and videos for years now. I believe this is the first time I've commented.

So, I traded some genetics with a friend. They came with fungus gnats. I picked up some of those mosquito dunks. (Tried covering the tops of the containers with perlite first. Didn't help. Bought some diamacius earth and sticky traps. Haven't had a hatch in a while, maybe the DE worked.)

So my question is, what's the application rate for the mosquito dunks? Do you have a set grams/gallon?
 
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Great video Ice!

Loving the ladies my friend. I have the original GOD panels. Do you know why they lowered the light intensity? I wish I could test mine to see where the sweet spot is. I think it's at 3' but it would be nice to have some science. BM says top of the tent. But is like a definitive answer lol. Wish in one hand hehehe.

Looking great my friend!
 
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josh223 said:
Hey bro, I've been following your grows and videos for years now. I believe this is the first time I've commented.

So, I traded some genetics with a friend. They came with fungus gnats. I picked up some of those mosquito dunks. (Tried covering the tops of the containers with perlite first. Didn't help. Bought some diamacius earth and sticky traps. Haven't had a hatch in a while, maybe the DE worked.)

So my question is, what's the application rate for the mosquito dunks? Do you have a set grams/gallon?
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Hey Josh! Glad to have you aboard!

Yea fungus gnats can be a pain. I use a 2 part process, it takes time, but eventually will get rid of all of them.

For the dunks, usually for the 1st application I will take a whole dunk and crush it up... some I put directly onto the soil and the other half I put crunched up into my water/feeding. This is a bacteria that will kill the gnats larvae. DE i've never used, but many many people here do so sounds like you are doing well so far. I would also suggest picking up yellow sticky cards/traps. You can probably get a pack of 5 for like 4 or 5 bucks. These are for the adult fungus gnats. I usually rip my sticky cards in half, laying them on the soil, leaning on the stem, hanging in the low foliage and in all the darkest areas of the tent.

The reason for the 2 part.. one kills the larvae, the other traps and kills the adults. A adult fungus gnat can lay hundreds of eggs per day, so you want to make sure to kill them with the sticky traps so they don't lay eggs. The mosquito dunks will kill the larvae when they hatch in the soil so with both parts going, then usually you will slowly see them go away. The life cycle of a fungus gnat is like 30 days or something, so you should use a 1/2 dunk every watering (crunched up) for at least a month. This should make them go for good.
 
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Fuzzy Duck said:
BM GOD looks very good for just over two weeks of flowering & nice early bud growth.

BM COB looking ok for veg growth seems a little slow but when considering these are clones plants which may lack a little vigour in growth when compared to seeds & that they where topped to promote side lateral branches via displacement of auxin, all appears pretty normal to be honest.

Plus ya got several different strains which all respond differently in growth characteristic's & makes this quite interesting to watch 'n' ponder over :Namaste:


Just some questions Ice...

1. Average lights on temp & lights off temp & how much difference between leds / hps.

2. RH ! lights on/off or how you control RH during these periods & did it increase when you started using leds from past hps set up ?



The only reason i ask as i'm firm believer in environmental conditions best suited for mmj as well as lighting, but we have both been kicking around the forums for a few years now & was wondering on your own opinion on the transition between hps to led growing to which you have experience off !
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Hey Fuzzy Duck,

The GOD panels are doing and amazing job in my tent... really happy with them :)

The COBs are doing well too, but the slow growth is my fault, when I transplanted them I noticed that I hit them with too strong of a feeding and too much volume, so the soil has been taking forever to really dry out and I'm slowly drying out the girls to encourage root growth but its taking time, so they are showing some Ca deficiencies and K as well. This is probably the reason they are not thriving at the moment. I also severely topped them about a week ago, so that also slowed things down a bit. Really trying to encourage them to sprawl out and bush up :)

Should be an interesting grow, I may have some plants come and go as the rest veg and flower, but should still have a nice variety of strains to show the lights capabilities. :)


So your questions...

1. Average lights on temp & lights off temp & how much difference between leds / hps.

Its really hard to compare because its been a long time since I used the HID setup and also was using a much higher wattage with air cooled hoods.

Right now my GOD tent is at 78.8F and the ambient temp in the room outside the tent is 77F. so only about a 2 degree difference. I'm only running 340W total draw in the GOD tent (each panel was around 170w) so that is not much heat added to the garden area, and I have my 6" fan on medium/fast which provides a very fast air exchange.

When I was running HID I was running a 400w CMH and a 600w HPS, both in air cooled tubes. The other problem in comparing is I didin't really keep track of temperature data back then, or even now, so I don't have much record to go off. I did find on my 2nd grow, running my 400w CMH by itself in a cool tube, the tent temp was 75F in april so the ambient room temp was probably about the same as it is now. Not much different for the wattage as expected.

My general consensus on lights is the wattage draw pretty much determines the overall heat added, regardless of the source. Things can influence how the heat effects and area like the materials surrounding the grow and other factors, but overall any light source of similar wattage draw should put out the same heat load to the grow. :)


2. RH ! lights on/off or how you control RH during these periods & did it increase when you started using leds from past hps set up ?

RH I honestly don't pay too much attention to, as I live by the coast and so my RH pretty much is a constant 50% for most of the year. Typically in the winter months from November to Feb there is dry spells of 0%-10% humidity as the winds come off the desert (offshore breeze) here so during those times I usually don't worry about it too much. If I notice the leaves turning upwards on the edges then I usually will hang a few wet towels in the grow tents. For comparison though, I don't really pay much attention to RH so its hard to compare. I don't think the light type would make too much of a difference in RH other than maybe a few percent due to possible IR causing more evaporation from the HPS but that's just my guess. Not too sure to be honest since I didn't track that data.



Overall my transition to LED has been good and I am happy I went the LED route overall. I started out with the cheap economy panels and there alright, but not great. As I graduated to better brands that use better chips and components the results in terms of yield and gram/watts went up, as well as my confidence in the products reliability. Overall with LED, my opinion is that if you want to get LED's.. spend money on good proven panels with good components, a company with a long list of good reviews and good feedback, and the transition should be a great investment. I think the only HID I would ever run again is my 400w Ceramic Metal Halides as they still are the best HID bulbs on the market, so If I ever expand my grows I may run them with my LED's. Other than that, I'm definitely happy with LED technology and its only going to get better :)
 
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Dr Bob said:
Great video Ice. It is so fun to watch your grow as it is like seeing an advanced version of what I have going on here. By watching you I can see where my 2, 4x2 tents can go.

I could likely look back and find the date but that is 16 days from light flip right? They look marvelous!

Bob ;)
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Hey Dr. Bob!

Thanks for checking out the video :) glad you liked it.

Your grow is looking spectacular!

In the video, I think it was 16 days :)

I appreciate the compliments :)
 
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drcannabi said:
Great video Ice!

Loving the ladies my friend. I have the original GOD panels. Do you know why they lowered the light intensity? I wish I could test mine to see where the sweet spot is. I think it's at 3' but it would be nice to have some science. BM says top of the tent. But is like a definitive answer lol. Wish in one hand hehehe.

Looking great my friend!
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Hey DrCannabi!

Thanks :)

I am not really sure why they lowered it, the first I heard about it was from Light Addict, but I could run it by Budmaster to see. My guess would be they turned down the current to increase longevity and efficiency, but that is just my guess. Its hard to really say the correct placement without a PAR meter or PAR charts as that IMO is the only way to correctly tell. Most of the LED's I have used ranged from 170W-250W panels (actual draw) and most of these needed to be withing 12"-18" for optimal lighting (from top of canopy, in flowering). For VEG the lights can be much higher as the longer cycle cuts the need for intensity in about half.

What model do you have?
 
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Cheers Ice for the feed back & i can work with the details provided :thumb:

RH is just a pet hate of mine knowing that it does change from one part of the world to the next according to the seasons to how people deal with it for growing, always trying to find that little bit of extra info !

Still working on temp between led / hps difference vs non air cooled or air cooled hoods & air extraction/exhaust depending on size of fan but it is a lot of maths/tec for the grey matter to ponder over...


Mmm topping will all ways slow down growth once done for regenerative growth to take place, i'm suspecting that it is your preferred style at the moment ? & that the veg period will be slightly longer... just a gut feeling by the look of pic's of the girls :green_heart:
 
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Fuzzy Duck said:
Cheers Ice for the feed back & i can work with the details provided :thumb:

RH is just a pet hate of mine knowing that it does change from one part of the world to the next according to the seasons to how people deal with it for growing, always trying to find that little bit of extra info !

Still working on temp between led / hps difference vs non air cooled or air cooled hoods & air extraction/exhaust depending on size of fan but it is a lot of maths/tec for the grey matter to ponder over...


Mmm topping will all ways slow down growth once done for regenerative growth to take place, i'm suspecting that it is your preferred style at the moment ? & that the veg period will be slightly longer... just a gut feeling by the look of pic's of the girls :green_heart:
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Topping is my current style of early veg training mostly because its quick to do. My preferred style of training is LST, but it takes much longer to constantly be tying down and adjusting the branching, I've been using topping lately just cause a few snips and done :) but the plants do seem to need almost a week to recover after a severe topping so it has its downsides as well.

Not sure too much about lowering humidity, but raising it the wet towel method works well, as well as a small evaporative cooler.
 
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Icemud said:
Hey Josh! Glad to have you aboard!

Yea fungus gnats can be a pain. I use a 2 part process, it takes time, but eventually will get rid of all of them.

For the dunks, usually for the 1st application I will take a whole dunk and crush it up... some I put directly onto the soil and the other half I put crunched up into my water/feeding. This is a bacteria that will kill the gnats larvae. DE i've never used, but many many people here do so sounds like you are doing well so far. I would also suggest picking up yellow sticky cards/traps. You can probably get a pack of 5 for like 4 or 5 bucks. These are for the adult fungus gnats. I usually rip my sticky cards in half, laying them on the soil, leaning on the stem, hanging in the low foliage and in all the darkest areas of the tent.

The reason for the 2 part.. one kills the larvae, the other traps and kills the adults. A adult fungus gnat can lay hundreds of eggs per day, so you want to make sure to kill them with the sticky traps so they don't lay eggs. The mosquito dunks will kill the larvae when they hatch in the soil so with both parts going, then usually you will slowly see them go away. The life cycle of a fungus gnat is like 30 days or something, so you should use a 1/2 dunk every watering (crunched up) for at least a month. This should make them go for good.
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Thanks bud. I really appreciate the reply.

I have the sticky card traps but haven't caught any adults. They seem to hatch around every 1.5 weeks. The pain about them is that they've made it into my flowering room. One strain I grow is really sticky. They will adhere to the buds like glue.

I'm taking a more proactive approach and transitioning, at least for a while, all my mothers into hydro. Well, flowering out all my current mothers and establishing new ones. That should solve things. It's a pain though. I have around 15 strains going at the moment.

Thank you again. Happy growing.
 
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josh223 said:
Thanks bud. I really appreciate the reply.

I have the sticky card traps but haven't caught any adults. They seem to hatch around every 1.5 weeks. The pain about them is that they've made it into my flowering room. One strain I grow is really sticky. They will adhere to the buds like glue.

I'm taking a more proactive approach and transitioning, at least for a while, all my mothers into hydro. Well, flowering out all my current mothers and establishing new ones. That should solve things. It's a pain though. I have around 15 strains going at the moment.

Thank you again. Happy growing.
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Try laying the sticky cards directly on the soil or lean them up against the stem. This seemed to work the best for catching the adults :) Hope the gnats go away for you :)
 
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Also speed of recovery for topping depends on what scale your topping. I go at the very first poi t I can get that tip out, sometimes I have to use a match to do it as its so micro in scale. I've seen others on my fluxing thread and they top by s mapping a big section off the plant? Micro topping all the way for me!
 
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Light Addict said:
Also speed of recovery for topping depends on what scale your topping. I go at the very first poi t I can get that tip out, sometimes I have to use a match to do it as its so micro in scale. I've seen others on my fluxing thread and they top by s mapping a big section off the plant? Micro topping all the way for me!
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I went for a major topping :) lol Most of the plants were about 15"-18" tall when I topped them, well topping isn't quite the word, more like hacked them in half or like 1/3 the size. I took them down to where the largest auxillary branches were appearing. :) Definitely a solid shock to the plants.
 
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Flowering Tent Update: DAY 19 (from the flip)

So the other day I noticed that some of my plants were overtowering the others, so my quick solution was to put some of my smaller 2-3gallon plastic pots under them to raise them up about 10" or so. I may have to lower them come later flowering but for now I checked the PPFD (light intensity) and its around 1000-1400 micromoles/m2/s-1 at the tops for most of the canopy so I'm pushing it, but I think still within region where they shouldn't bleach. We will see :)

I also removed a plastic grocery bag stuffed with leaves and lower smalls and branches. I did a little bit more extreme lolipopping to the girls removing everything below the light level of penetration. I also took off some of the larger fan leaves that were really blocking a lot of lower bud sites but didn't want to go too extreme as the plants are still young and need that leaf energy :) I will be removing more as the buds develop and thicken up but for now I think the light is penetrating fairly well for my overpacked tent :)

I fed the girls a bit of earthjuice tea today, just 2 cups each and I'm going to let them go about 3 days before the next feeding which I believe will just be a cal/mag and plain water feeding. Possibly a compost tea.


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Always a Beautiful sight Brotha :high-five:
 
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Icemud said:
I went for a major topping :) lol Most of the plants were about 15"-18" tall when I topped them, well topping isn't quite the word, more like hacked them in half or like 1/3 the size. I took them down to where the largest auxillary branches were appearing. :) Definitely a solid shock to the plants.
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Ha, me too.

Cheers
 
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