Hypo Hippy's first indoor grow

[Woodsman]

Word......we can only hope (right?) Thanks for dropping in Dro. Always appreciate the posts from all you guys. These babies are going CRAZY! The final verdict hasn't been made yet, but if it turns out 5 for 5 we will be seriously limited for space. Don't want to count the chickens before they hatch, but it is kinda fun, you know? Anyhow, thanks.

I just chucked my two suspect and now confirmed males! One of them hermied. Keep a good eye on them hypo.

 

[MI-grower]

Wow hippy you have a real nice garden there my friend. and

 

[Hypo Hippy]

Well guys I sorta feel like a horse's ass! In my zeal and excitement, I may have jumped to some early/incorrect conclusions. 5 for 5 ain't going to happen it appears. After some very thorough inspection it seems that Daisy might be Donald. Damn! I took some pictures, but they are hard to see because of blurriness. I was about blind after looking through the magnifying glass for over and hour. Lucille and Gladys are both confirmed ladies with multiple pistils showing up all over.....looking real nice. Matilda and Broomhilda are still unconfirmed....with calyx's without any evident male/female flowers showing. I am not going to jump to conclusions again like that....kinda embarrassing to tell the truth.

I learned a valuable lesson. I didn't realize that the male plant produces pre-flower calyx's that look just like a female calyx without the pistil. That's why we read this forum and follow other people's journals....to learn. Well did I ever.

We moved Daisy/Donald to the lone cfl's and put Gladys under the HPS to get the full meal deal. Here are a couple of shots to update you guys. I am once again disappointed in my photographic prowess. Lighting and positioning isn't the easiest thing to figure out.

This picture of Daisy/Donald shows the male flower that broke my damn heart. Sorry for the blurriness..I will get some better shots later.

Shot of one of the several female flowers on Lucille

Matilda and Daisy/Donald. Matilda has the same characteristics that Gladys and Lucille have (both confirmed females). Do male plants exhibit the multiple bud sites like female plants? Matilda is on the left and looks sexy.

 

[Woodsman]

Sorry to hear about Daisy/Donald. I am going through the same issues, frustrations, double vision etc. Of the three remaining plants I have, I only have one confirmed female sighting, on the big girl!. One of my now deceased two males was a he/she! Yep, showing balls down low and a couple of hairs up top! So I will be extra vigilant from now on. So while I found a pistol on #1 , I will still be keeping an eye on her very closely as I will do on all the others! My # 4 plant has like what you described, a very tiny female looking sprout. Only one place on the entire plant that I can see. It looks different than the males which come out as a tiny ball right in that corner spot. This one is still very tiny, but is not roundish like the male, I'm just waiting for the hairs to come out and say hi! Like you after awhile I'm not sure what I'm seeing!

 

[Hypo Hippy]

Yeah it sucks, but to tell the truth we really did need one or two plants to turn up males because we were going to be very limited on space. We will probably try and collect some pollen from D/D and maybe pollinate a branch or two. D/D is such a vibrant, beautiful plant and to cross it with a white widow might produce some interesting offspring. Oh well.....still waiting like you.

 

[TorturedSoul]

I was about blind after looking through the magnifying glass for over and hour.

A 12X-15X jeweler's loupe is very helpful and can make the emerging pistils look like slightly-unraveled ("frizzy"?) yarn - lots of surface area (for their size) for the pollen to stick to.

Matilda and Broomhilda are still unconfirmed....with calyx's without any evident male/female flowers showing.

Err... They starting to look like balls?

I am not going to jump to conclusions again like that....kinda embarrassing to tell the truth.

. Dad would have said, "If that's the worst thing in life that ever happens to you, you're getting off luckier than the rest of us."

Good luck on the future plant-breeding, BtW.

 

[Hypo Hippy]

TS...thanks for the reply. We have a mag glass that has three lenses....5x, 15x, and 30x. It works like a champ, but for some reason it gives me a headache after awhile.

Err... They starting to look like balls?

No not really. Just empty calyx' without any identifiable flower growth. Broomhilda is the least developed plant in the bunch since she got seriously set back as a young 4 inch seedling (broken stem). She is starting to put out very small calyx in the leaf axils but too early to call. Matilda same, same, but makes me a little nervous.

Could you make anything out on the blurry pic of Daisy/Donald's nads?

 

[MountainHigh]

Something that confused me when I was picking balls is that when tiny they look like calyx's without pistils but with one difference and it is what you look for. Balls grow on stalks, Calyx's grow right at the budding site with no stalk.

So if your Calyx is elevated in the air on a tiny stalk it is a ball.

 

[Steve McStoferson]

Something that confused me when I was picking balls is that when tiny they look like calyx's without pistils but with one difference and it is what you look for. Balls grow on stalks, Calyx's grow right at the budding site with no stalk.

So if your Calyx is elevated in the air on a tiny stalk it is a ball.

didn't know that, but that's some good info.. I'd rep you but I gotta spread it around a bit

 

[Hypo Hippy]

Thanks guys....the crazy thing about Daisy/Donald is that her original pre-flower calyx looked EXACTLY like the classic female calyx (just without the pistils). The have since evolved into the more classic male calyx, but I have definitely learned alot in the last couple of days. My two remaining question mark plants still either have the classic female looking calyx without visible stamens or pistils (Matilda) or simply not showing any pre-flowers yet (Broomhilda..although she has some little something or others showing at the axils). Thanks for piping in fellas.....gotta roll. I will check in this afternoon.

 

[MountainHigh]

Hoping the rest are chicks!!!! No sausage fest!!!

 

[MI-grower]

Just stopped by to see what's going on, sorry to hear about the males.. Get rid of those males and replace-em with clones of females..

Best of luck bro!

that the rest are females!!

 

[Woodsman]

I've tried looking with my radio shack microscope. LOL the magnification is too high so I can't tell what I'm looking at! I've got a few of what you described hypo. Their shaped like a tiny spike. Like an 'A Frame' I think it is a female. No stalk, grows right out of the stem, just no hairs yet.

 

[Hypo Hippy]

Thanks guys.....yeah Wood, we have one of those Radio Shack microscopes and it is very hard to hold still enough to focus and see stuff good. Gotta fine tune my technique. The mag glasses work great, but taking pics through it is a challenge. Take 'er easy boys.

 

[Hypo Hippy]

Here is a not-so-good profile view of Lucille, one of our confirmed girly girls. She and Matilda (jury still out) are our two very-similar looking LST'd plants.

Do male plants get the same spread out, "buddy" look to them?

Another question for you guys. Have any of you had problems with your plants getting a little wilty late in the afternoon? Our two LST'd plants tend to wilt up at the top middle to late and it is baffling. The other plants don't wilt at all and the temps at the top of the new shoots never gets above 80 degrees so surely it isn't the temps. We have a fan blowing across the plants, but once again the other plants are wilting, why are these two? Could it be the LST? Do you guys that do alot of that style of training see this in your plants? It is nerve-wracking to say the least. Help a brother out will ya?

 

[Woodsman]

Do male plants get the same spread out, "buddy" look to them?

Another question for you guys. Have any of you had problems with your plants getting a little wilty late in the afternoon? Our two LST'd plants tend to wilt up at the top middle to late and it is baffling. The other plants don't wilt at all and the temps at the top of the new shoots never gets above 80 degrees so surely it isn't the temps. We have a fan blowing across the plants, but once again the other plants are wilting, why are these two? Could it be the LST? Do you guys that do alot of that style of training see this in your plants? It is nerve-wracking to say the least. Help a brother out will ya?

Not sure about the first question. The second question I could offer a guess. Possibly the added foliage will ware out the plants daily resources quicker that an untopped or un-LST'd plant would. Just an uneducated guess!

 

[Hypo Hippy]

Yeah Wood...I am open to suggestions, but the best guess I have come up with is since the only plants that are wilting are the ones that were LST'd then the laws of probability say that there might be a correlation. Makes sense to me. With LST you get some twist in the stems and I think the twist in the stem may contribute to the wilting. The plants don't look unhealthy otherwise, but the wilting is unsettling. Appreciate the help....all other comments are welcome guys so chime in.

 

[MountainHigh]

Hey bro, finally made it down my list to your post . I think that looks great, that stalk is exactly what you should expect! A strong foundation.....




And I actually haven't noticed any droopage (take pics then) in the afternoons (other than what is normal for my age....). You letting your babies get almost dry before completely saturating the soil again? That is the type of watering MJ seems to prefer at least in soil. I know when they get a bit oxygen deprived when you overwater (inadequate drying time) they droop. One more thing, you have a fan on them? They like a bit of a cool summer breeze.

Hopefully an experienced person comes by with better advice than I can give.

 

[Hypo Hippy]

MountainH.....thanks for stopping by. Yeah we do have a fan blowing on them and we did just flush the plants heavily on Monday, but not the first time we have seen this wilting. I will have to look and see if the wilting is more prevalent after a heavy watering...or if it gets better as the pots dry out. It is just disheartening to see your babes wilty looking and not knowing why. I have seen this in some of my plants in the yard (but mostly in summer) and scratched my head because they had plenty of water in the ground. They would recover if misted a little.

Anyhow, feel free to pipe in folks....I am all ears on this one cause it is very confusing.

 

[Spike69]

A little photo update for today. Question for the forum. Anyone know why the plants tend to wilt in the afternoons? The temps are never higher than 80, they have plenty of water, the fan is blowing on them. They are never wilting in the morning and they never wilted under the MH bulb during veg, only now under the HPS and 12/12. Little help please.

Close-up of Lucille's upper branches.....looks like little girl flowers to me, but I am certainly not biased. Or am I?

View of Lucille in profile...not the best lighting, but you can really see her form shaping up. She's growing lots of tops in her "bonsai" LST training regimine.

HPS shot of the grow room. As Don Imus would say "these Nappy-headed ho's " are stretching out all over the place

mine wilt off and on,after a good watering they come back soon,I find mine are real perky right when I am gonna turn the lights off for 12 and 12.