Horse's Crawlspace Grow

HorseBadortiz said:
PG, I dunno if I get the filling up thing. I lowered the light to about 18" above the screen tonight. The under stuff just doesn't seem to be reaching for the sky?

I might have buds in 1/4 of the screen... man, I want a bud in every hole... new one for DocBud to market, "BudaHole" :)

After the 12/12 flip, is there any more growing? Stretching is unfamiliar territory for me. I've got around 3' from screen to max light height. It looked like your scrog tips were way above the screen. Got any control tips? I'm not running the weedeater in the crawlspace :)

Thanks :peace:
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First Everything looks really great! I have the same issues with deficiency - I think its N in the early stages and P at the end. A little extra nutes at the right times seems to have helped. And additives. But I have to be super careful with additives cause I locked out my plants once or twice. But a little additive at the right times seems to have helped lots.

Its really tricky to get the classic one top in each hole. I wouldn't worry about that so much your first time out.

As far as the height of the light - I try to go as low as I can and still cover the area.

The stuff under the screen can be trimmed lots. By the end it should be clear of leaves and undergrowth. Some trim all that away as soon as possible. Some trim as they start to die. I sorta do a combination. I stay a little ahead of the plant as far as trimming underneath. And certainly by the end of the 3rd week of flower 95% of the branches that will make it to the screen should be evident - so you can trim the hell out of it.

As far as stretch and branches at the top. Its really easy to catch a fan leaf. Make sure you keep the leaves in the same holes as their respective branch. And let the tops grow a few inches above the screen, then pull them back through. If you try to weave them tight as they grow, they grow really slowly and close together. I can't remember if yours are already in 12/12 or still 18. If still in veg then no worries. Just let them do their thing til the screen is 3/4 full - you're all but there. If they're already in flower then don't worry - you will have a crapload of buds at the screen and other branches will poke through in the next few weeks.

I think most folks see a nice increase in their yield the first scrog, even without nearly maxing it out. Then once you see one done, you'll know what you can do next time to get even more. That pic after the flush is really starting to look great. Hang in there. You're on track for a fantastic scrog - I promise.

+Reps

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Papa Green, thanks for the encouraging words. The troupe is looking pretty perky this am.

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Thing is, I don't know exactly what did the perking. The massive amount of fast flowing water, the 5.8 pH, or maybe they were just ready to show off :)

Thanks for stopping by, and for the reps.

Ohhhh yeah. Jamaican that I'm still waiting on... come out of the closet, damnit!

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Ooooooooh baby! A work of art. I think you're there. If you have not flipped to 12/12, I think I would go ahead and do it. That is one badass scrog. You're gonna have a tabletop of buds. The day you start chopping buds outta there you're gonna be amazed. I think you nailed it.

:welldone::rollit:
 
Papa Green said:
Ooooooooh baby! A work of art. I think you're there. If you have not flipped to 12/12, I think I would go ahead and do it. That is one badass scrog. You're gonna have a tabletop of buds. The day you start chopping buds outta there you're gonna be amazed. I think you nailed it.

:welldone::rollit:
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The camera makes the scrog look fat :) I'm thinking another week, but it could be less :yahoo:

Can I still manipulate the tops in flower, or is it best to just leave them alone?

I am getting excited about this :grinjoint:

:peace:
 
HorseBadortiz said:
The camera makes the scrog look fat :) I'm thinking another week, but it could be less :yahoo:

Can I still manipulate the tops in flower, or is it best to just leave them alone?

I am getting excited about this :grinjoint:

:peace:
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I think you're spot on with your week estimate. I got goose bumps. Might finally get to see a scrog take pom again - not since Munki have I seen it.

As far as adjusting during flower - definitely within the first few weeks you can. Basically you can play it by ear. By now you know what it feels like to bend and place the branches, as long as you feel comfortable doing it you can. The limiting factors will be the size of the fan leaves, the buds themselves, and the branches will tend to stiffen and bark up making it harder to move them.

This next suggestion is purely my own take on the world of scrog. Definitely NOT the standard and possibly not even recommended. Use with caution. I can't remember exactly how much headroom you're working with, nor how much we can expect the plants to stretch when you flip them - but...

If you let the final branches get more than about a foot above the screen, I think its likely you will want a second trellis in play. I was wishing for 4" more headroom and a trellis on the recent scrog. I really think that's the way to go to super-duper max out the scrog. Essentially fill the screen 100% in veg, then flip them. But you WILL need to support the buds. So that means a whole second trellis. And I am not sure whether the added time justifies the weight. I think it does. For you - you're already there as far as time. Not sure on your headroom, or whether you wanna screw with another trellis.

What all this means is if you want a "classic" scrog you should keep moving and placing buds to keep them within about 3" of the screen all the way through the first few weeks of flowering. Then you'll end up with a nice flat super dense tabletop of buds. If you wanna go tall, only move the branches that are way longer than the others to keep it even. Let all the branches rise to the height of the lowest ones. Which will be 12-16" above the screen. I think a trellis at about 14-16" above the scrog would be right. Smaller than that can stand on their own, but you'll want for the bigger ones.

Remember - I've not done this with a trellis, but I did have a second layer of support in the last scrog and that's what allowed those huge tops. I had strings criss-crossed in there and many were tied to the ceiling. Next time I will trellis it. Would be both faster and easier in the long run than doing the individual branches.

All that is if you wanna go crazy. AND HAVE THE HEADROOM. Don't take any chances with running out of vert.

:welldone::bravo::nicethread::peace::bongrip:

And a well-deserved 5 stars!
 
Papa Green said:
I think you're spot on with your week estimate. I got goose bumps. Might finally get to see a scrog take pom again - not since Munki have I seen it.

As far as adjusting during flower - definitely within the first few weeks you can. Basically you can play it by ear. By now you know what it feels like to bend and place the branches, as long as you feel comfortable doing it you can. The limiting factors will be the size of the fan leaves, the buds themselves, and the branches will tend to stiffen and bark up making it harder to move them.

This next suggestion is purely my own take on the world of scrog. Definitely NOT the standard and possibly not even recommended. Use with caution. I can't remember exactly how much headroom you're working with, nor how much we can expect the plants to stretch when you flip them - but...

If you let the final branches get more than about a foot above the screen, I think its likely you will want a second trellis in play. I was wishing for 4" more headroom and a trellis on the recent scrog. I really think that's the way to go to super-duper max out the scrog. Essentially fill the screen 100% in veg, then flip them. But you WILL need to support the buds. So that means a whole second trellis. And I am not sure whether the added time justifies the weight. I think it does. For you - you're already there as far as time. Not sure on your headroom, or whether you wanna screw with another trellis.

What all this means is if you want a "classic" scrog you should keep moving and placing buds to keep them within about 3" of the screen all the way through the first few weeks of flowering. Then you'll end up with a nice flat super dense tabletop of buds. If you wanna go tall, only move the branches that are way longer than the others to keep it even. Let all the branches rise to the height of the lowest ones. Which will be 12-16" above the screen. I think a trellis at about 14-16" above the scrog would be right. Smaller than that can stand on their own, but you'll want for the bigger ones.

Remember - I've not done this with a trellis, but I did have a second layer of support in the last scrog and that's what allowed those huge tops. I had strings criss-crossed in there and many were tied to the ceiling. Next time I will trellis it. Would be both faster and easier in the long run than doing the individual branches.

All that is if you wanna go crazy. AND HAVE THE HEADROOM. Don't take any chances with running out of vert.

:welldone::bravo::nicethread::peace::bongrip:
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Headroom is my nemesis down in the hole. Only 3' from the screen to the 1000w light's glass at max height. I do like the idea of the 2nd screen, though. :thankyou:

:peace:
 
HorseBadortiz said:
Headroom is my nemesis down in the hole. Only 3' from the screen to the 1000w light's glass at max height. I do like the idea of the 2nd screen, though. :thankyou:

:peace:
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Mis-read that as 3" for as second! :whoa: With 1000w you are going to end up with some KILLER buds! :)

You've been busy dude! Good Job! :welldone:

I'm trying to visualize the setup with a 2nd screen. Would it just be another screen laid out like the existing but some distance up above it? Could see that allowing you to manipulate and position those tops as they come up from the 1st screen, helping to insure that the "up & comers" are getting their fair share of light.

What are you planning to add to the OC+ for flowering? The only thing I'm doing so far is SnowStorm+. Thinking of maybe giving them a couple of doses of Gravity (or something like that for bud density) later on in the process.

Keep up the good work Horse!
:cheertwo::cheertwo::cheertwo:
 
GrownManHollr said:
Mis-read that as 3" for as second! :whoa: With 1000w you are going to end up with some KILLER buds! :)

You've been busy dude! Good Job! :welldone:

I'm trying to visualize the setup with a 2nd screen. Would it just be another screen laid out like the existing but some distance up above it? Could see that allowing you to manipulate and position those tops as they come up from the 1st screen, helping to insure that the "up & comers" are getting their fair share of light.

What are you planning to add to the OC+ for flowering? The only thing I'm doing so far is SnowStorm+. Thinking of maybe giving them a couple of doses of Gravity (or something like that for bud density) later on in the process.

Keep up the good work Horse!
:cheertwo::cheertwo::cheertwo:
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I think the 2nd screen is just what you describe. PG had some unruly buds that needed some guidance. I am planning on mine being very orderly and ladylike... yeah, we'll see how that works out :)

I don't know what's going to happen as far as flowering nutes. The OC+ seems to be keeping them happy, has a good ratio, and sure is easy. I'd like to just go with it, and see if it will finish them for me.

I do have some molasses I was going to use when I first started this epic in dirt. I've been round the horn! Molasses might not be a good mix in a pure hempy bucket... that perlite might end up looking loke a Sugar Pop :grinjoint:

Thanks for stooping in!

:peace:
 
GrowingGirls said:
Excellent phrase.

Also, scrog looks fantastic!
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Ha, I've been hanging out at the Gator's Cage! There are a lot of holes in the scrog, but the pHed water added a couple of inches to the canopy last night. Not quite enough to spread the tops out evenly, but danged close.

I'm pretty sure I'll be flipping the switch this week :yahoo:

Thanks for dropping in.

:peace:
 
This week in the garden has been interesting, to say the least. The scrog girls decided to change their wardrobe colors to chartreuse. A great color for fish bait, not for The Hempettes :(

DocBud suggested to check my total alkalinity with a pool test kit. TA was off the chart, and the pH wasn't what meter was showing. Turns out my pH pen was wacked out. I'd been pH downing with a phosphoric acid solution. All this shit added up to chartreuse.

Got some pics with the lights out. I was playing with wires again! :)

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I got a new pen yesterday. No more screwdriver calibration! :slide: Very slick.

Started cutting the well water w/ dehumidifier drippings. 25/75. Got the TA down to 20, and the pH down to 5.8 after Hydrogryzming. No figgin' pH down needed :slide::slide::slide:

I could have been locked up for attempted murder. :rasta:

After tripping over wires for this whole grow (tripping in the crawlspace is bitch, and I have the head scars to prove it, ha) I ran another circuit with a quad outlet. I can't believe how much shit I have plugged in to grow a little pot!

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And that's only half of it...

I got pretty sophisticated with the condensate collection. It's a system :)

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Some parting shots of the underscroggy...

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The underscroggy does have a lot material. I've trimmed once, but it doesn't look like it. I was hoping some of the lower stuff will stretch thru the screen when I go to flower. Think it will? And when should I clean out everything under the screen?... or just leave it?

Under Doc's advice, I'm delighting... from 24/0 to 18/6 and knocking an hour of light off each day til I get to 13/11. Then I'm thinking 30 hours of dark, flipping the switch to HPS, and the timer to 12/12. Any suggestions or critiques?

I am getting pretty antsy about putting these kids into flower. I got them as barely flowering clones May 9th. The screen is maybe 66.6% filled. Think it's time????

Thanks for getting us this far, we wanna do y'all right!

:peace:
 
Looking Good!
Your plants are going to bounce back now that you're not feeding them poison water....

Sometimes we try our best and still can't kill these plants!

Interesting that you don't need to adjust your water now....very cool.
 
DocBud said:
Looking Good!
Your plants are going to bounce back now that you're not feeding them poison water....

Sometimes we try our best and still can't kill these plants!

Interesting that you don't need to adjust your water now....very cool.
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It's better than cool... it's the bee's knees :rasta:

They've put on a couple of inches since you helped me catch it, and the chartreuse is fading into green.

Another interesting phenomenon related to this, is that the bud sites at the edge of the screen didn't turn color. Pretty much right under the footprint of the light are the lightest leaves.

The glass was about 24" above the canopy. The temp a few inches below the canopy is around 85° with the lights on.

Not sure if I had the light too low

The temp too high

The Superthrive freaked them out

all the water/Ph/TA issues made the plants more light sensitive

all of the above.

I'm leaning towards the last with a concentration in the h2o department. But, does anybody want to conjecture?

Pot is tough, but I think I tested it :)

:peace:
 
1 ml of superthrive per gallon is enough to mess them up. Compound that with the massive P levels and you've got certain trouble.

But now that you've got that all sorted out, your plants are going to be amazing. :yummy:
 
DocBud said:
1 ml of superthrive per gallon is enough to mess them up. Compound that with the massive P levels and you've got certain trouble.

But now that you've got that all sorted out, your plants are going to be amazing. :yummy:
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Thanks Doc, I appreciate your advice, and your kind thoughts go farther than me... I got the girls internet :)


These aren't really my plants. I know I'm holding, but this place is flattening my learning curve and raising my plants at the same time. So if I go down, I'm taking youse all (southern jersey accent) wit me :rasta:

I'm hoping the next incident will be how do I clean my scissors off?!... but I know different:hmmmm:

:peace:
 
HorseBadortiz said:
The underscroggy does have a lot material. I've trimmed once, but it doesn't look like it. I was hoping some of the lower stuff will stretch thru the screen when I go to flower. Think it will? And when should I clean out everything under the screen?... or just leave it?

Under Doc's advice, I'm delighting... from 24/0 to 18/6 and knocking an hour of light off each day til I get to 13/11. Then I'm thinking 30 hours of dark, flipping the switch to HPS, and the timer to 12/12. Any suggestions or critiques?

I am getting pretty antsy about putting these kids into flower. I got them as barely flowering clones May 9th. The screen is maybe 66.6% filled. Think it's time????

Thanks for getting us this far, we wanna do y'all right!:peace:
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Hey Horse I dropped in to say hello and see the scrog action:welldone:
The underbrush can be stripped after about 3 weeks in bloom +/- but do not take too much. The Scrog itself should be a bit fuller when stripping the stems of leaves and do not take so much as to let light penetrate the canopy. IMO when I flip to bloom I immediately change to 12hrs continuous uninterrupted darkness because in nature we lose 1-4 minutes of sunlight everyday after the summer solstice on or about June 26th. Switching to 12/12 does not hurt and sometimes 13hrs of dark are needed for different strains but usually 12/12 is perfect. When flipping to bud the plants usually double in size so look out and plan accordingly. I am currently growing some monsters with some over 7ft tall indoors. I will put up a grow journal probably named "Live from RI's Dept of Corrections" lol
Thanks for all your good will and good luck with the grow. DocBud is a great member and any system you use will help get the job done.I always say:
"If you fail to plan.... You plan to fail."

+Rep :goodjob:
 
Wingman580 said:
Hey Horse I dropped in to say hello and see the scrog action:welldone:
The underbrush can be stripped after about 3 weeks in bloom +/- but do not take too much. The Scrog itself should be a bit fuller when stripping the stems of leaves and do not take so much as to let light penetrate the canopy. IMO when I flip to bloom I immediately change to 12hrs continuous uninterrupted darkness because in nature we lose 1-4 minutes of sunlight everyday after the summer solstice on or about June 26th. Switching to 12/12 does not hurt and sometimes 13hrs of dark are needed for different strains but usually 12/12 is perfect. When flipping to bud the plants usually double in size so look out and plan accordingly. I am currently growing some monsters with some over 7ft tall indoors. I will put up a grow journal probably named "Live from RI's Dept of Corrections" lol
Thanks for all your good will and good luck with the grow. DocBud is a great member and any system you use will help get the job done.I always say:
"If you fail to plan.... You plan to fail."

+Rep :goodjob:
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Thanks for flying in Wingman :rasta:

I like the way you account for lost light, clever. I was thinking of doing a 30hr darkness period before I flipped the switch. It will help get the girls hours of light to a time I can get in to see them, and I've read that little rest can be a good thing. But then, I am just winging it :)

I'm definitely in on your Dept of Corrections gro... prisoners need meds, too!

:goodluck: on your journey, and thanks for the reps.

:peace:
 
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