Horse's Crawlspace Grow

Hi Horse :grinjoint:

I do 36 hours of darkness. Just because I want them to know that things are changing. Yep total darkness! If you can find a green like bulb, you can use it!
But make sure it is green. :grinjoint:

Thanks OMM, green light, okay! Are they used for anything than growing, or would Home Depot have 'em? Our grow shop might... that's the ticket!

Do you feed anything special before lights out? Cookies, salty treats?:)

:peace:
 
High Mick, glad you could stoop in :)

You're too modest, you've got a sweet scrog growing. When I saw it, I knew I needed to fill a lot more holes :rasta: And, I take tips from anyone willing to offer... the jar is by the door!

Good thinking on the pen. I'll check that out, and if it works I'll give it to my son... he just eyeballs everything, ha.

I am amazed at how fast the girls responded after straightening out the water. I've needed to weave into new holes twice today.

Do you add the superthrive at every feeding? I love the lable, you just know that shit's gotta be good. The Dr. Bronner's of supplements :).

Speaking of Dr. Bronner's, I've been using the peppermint for a surfactant when I spray Azamax and Neem. It also seems to help the Neem oil mix better in the spray bottle. That stuff is nasty... and I hope the bugs think so too :rasta:

:peace:

Thanks Horse, some tweaking is in order for my next round. My 288 grow didn't get any veg time under the screen and it shows in all those ragged tops. The 126 grow is looking pretty uniform.

I changed to RO water a while back and all my PH issues went away and the plants started to look great real quick. Surprised me how fast they improved.

I use the Superthrive every feeding until 3 weeks before chop time. I also give the plants a booster of SuperThrive when starting to flower. 1/2 mil per gallon, once only.
What kind of critters are you spraying the neem for? That stuff works pretty well but also strips the natural waxy coating that leaves normally use for protection. I only use it as a last resort because once it's been applied it has to be continued. Or so I've read, at least. Azamax is heavy duty isn't it?
 
Thanks Horse, some tweaking is in order for my next round. My 288 grow didn't get any veg time under the screen and it shows in all those ragged tops. The 126 grow is looking pretty uniform.

I changed to RO water a while back and all my PH issues went away and the plants started to look great real quick. Surprised me how fast they improved.

The dehumidifier water is working well, but I may have to go RO this winter. It's too dry to dehumidify!

I use the Superthrive every feeding until 3 weeks before chop time. I also give the plants a booster of SuperThrive when starting to flower. 1/2 mil per gallon, once only.

That sounds good. These girls have had been pistil packing mamas since I got them. I hope that means they'll bust a move under 12/12. 1/2 ml/gal sounds like a nice number.


What kind of critters are you spraying the neem for? That stuff works pretty well but also strips the natural waxy coating that leaves normally use for protection. I only use it as a last resort because once it's been applied it has to be continued. Or so I've read, at least. Azamax is heavy duty isn't it?

I didn't know the neem stripped anything off leaves. I think it's sold as leaf polish? That sucks if I have have to keep putting it on. I'm guessing new growth isn't affected though, huh? I put it on in the 1st place for the white flies I didn't want to get. I was thinking preventive maintenance. Seems maybe not?

Azamax, I thought, was a spider mite cure/preventative. I'm not sure if it's heavy duty. I've sprayed it and fed it a couple of times so far. If I get mites in this crawl space, I'm thinking I'm fucked... it'd be like trying wipe out the taliban

I really wish I knew what I was doing :)

:peace:
 
Thanks OMM, green light, okay! Are they used for anything than growing, or would Home Depot have 'em? Our grow shop might... that's the ticket!

Do you feed anything special before lights out? Cookies, salty treats?:)

:peace:

I am sure I saw them at Home Depot. Ah no. I usually water/feed in the afternoon. I put the water out in the sun to warm it up. The plants are warm from a day in the sun and seems to me cold water would put a little stress on em. There you are, paranoia taken a step farther. :ganjamon:
 
I really wish I knew what I was doing :)

:peace:

You and me both brother. I have too many issues with RH to spray much of anything if I can avoid it. I have no experience with Azamax, thats just an impression I got from reading other journals.

I have neem oil (the concentrate) but I've only used the neem spray thats sold as a leaf cleaner or conditioner and only used that twice as an alternative PM treatment in other grows. I've settled on skim milk for PM control.

If your plants can be used as a guage I would have to say you're doing great and maybe shouldn't change a thing because whatever you're doing seems to be working out wonderfully. Just because a lot of us toss out ideas doesn't mean we're always right or our methods are any better than yours. I put the ideas out there for consideration, not because I think they're the best way to go for everybody. Just as I skim what looks good from other journals I hope peeps will do the same with anything I toss out there. I'm not very experienced, just read a lot. So some of what I suggest may sound or be out and out dumb. But thats what these journals are all about. I count on others to straighten me out when needed.:thumb:

Oh yeah, there are 1 watt green led bulbs available for patio lanterns that work great for lights-out poking in the grow. Canadian Tire has them, which doesn't help you out I guess but they're probably available in most hardware stores.
 
I really wish I knew what I was doing :)

:peace:

sticking my 2 cents in here....total dark is the only way to fly....
green bulb at home depot, yes, works great if you have to go in...

azamax, works miracles....neve:peace:r hurt a leaf on any plant i had, i sprayed every other day for 6 wks until the borg bugs were gone, also put in the soil, and it is absorbed by plants and bugs dont llike it....use it in greenhouse ect, and outside....and i quit when done....must be used with enough light to dry the plant out before darkness, BUT not hot light....otherwise will burn, if not dried will help cause mildew and mold, which is where my first crop tried to go...now i pay attention to the plants...and by hanging a no pest strip in the rooms and renewing it every 6 wks or so, i havent seen a borg, spider mite in a yr.....knock wood....but i do have a new list of rules i follow, wash self, change clothes if nec....no new clones without 3 wk isolation and spray...i dont care how good they look....also add all the goodies for the roots, the beneficials, costs a little, but worth a lot...that helps fight the mildew and mold systemically...

sounds like alot, but no one said it was ez to raise these girls or everyone would do it....

most peeps wont listen when you try to help tho....

you do know what you're doing....you're LEARNING, and that is great...llike going up stairs, one step at a time....its uphill but worth the climb...

anyway, the above is my take on the situation and it works for me....when it stops if it does, then i have an alternative plan in place....things do become immune to stuff after a while, so always plan the next step....just in case...

good lluck, you'll do great....L:peace:
 
I am sure I saw them at Home Depot. Ah no. I usually water/feed in the afternoon. I put the water out in the sun to warm it up. The plants are warm from a day in the sun and seems to me cold water would put a little stress on em. There you are, paranoia taken a step farther. :ganjamon:

Sounds like you just like giving the girls a hot toddy :)

:peace:
 
You and me both brother. I have too many issues with RH to spray much of anything if I can avoid it. I have no experience with Azamax, thats just an impression I got from reading other journals.

I have neem oil (the concentrate) but I've only used the neem spray thats sold as a leaf cleaner or conditioner and only used that twice as an alternative PM treatment in other grows. I've settled on skim milk for PM control.

If your plants can be used as a guage I would have to say you're doing great and maybe shouldn't change a thing because whatever you're doing seems to be working out wonderfully. Just because a lot of us toss out ideas doesn't mean we're always right or our methods are any better than yours. I put the ideas out there for consideration, not because I think they're the best way to go for everybody. Just as I skim what looks good from other journals I hope peeps will do the same with anything I toss out there. I'm not very experienced, just read a lot. So some of what I suggest may sound or be out and out dumb. But thats what these journals are all about. I count on others to straighten me out when needed.:thumb:

Oh yeah, there are 1 watt green led bulbs available for patio lanterns that work great for lights-out poking in the grow. Canadian Tire has them, which doesn't help you out I guess but they're probably available in most hardware stores.

Mick, I have lists of stuff I've culled from others journals here... I just can't find them! I try to listen to everybody, there's usually something in there worth thinking about, at least.

I certainly appreciate everyone's input in this thread, and if y'all keep repeating it, it might sink in, ha.

On the green lights, I think I've seen a green led headlamp somewhere, I might have to give it a try... bet it'll make Mrs Horse look like an alien :ganjamon:

:peace:
 
sticking my 2 cents in here....total dark is the only way to fly....
green bulb at home depot, yes, works great if you have to go in...

I finally got all the light sources taped, removed, or blocked. The scrog just went into a 36hr dark period. I'm going to try to stay out of the crawl... it's going to be tough, it's part of my routine, and I am so nosy :)


azamax, works miracles....neve:peace:r hurt a leaf on any plant i had, i sprayed every other day for 6 wks until the borg bugs were gone, also put in the soil, and it is absorbed by plants and bugs dont llike it....use it in greenhouse ect, and outside....and i quit when done....must be used with enough light to dry the plant out before darkness, BUT not hot light....otherwise will burn, if not dried will help cause mildew and mold, which is where my first crop tried to go

Good tip, thanks. I usually drag the pots out side, but the whole scrog? Ha. I gave them an azamax feeding about a week ago, Hope that holds them through the flowering.

...now i pay attention to the plants...and by hanging a no pest strip in the rooms and renewing it every 6 wks or so, i havent seen a borg, spider mite in a yr.....knock wood....but i do have a new list of rules i follow, wash self, change clothes if nec....no new clones without 3 wk isolation and spray...i dont care how good they look....also add all the goodies for the roots, the beneficials, costs a little, but worth a lot...that helps fight the mildew and mold systemically...

I read enough about the NPS for that to sink in, but sounds like I should change them out.



sounds like alot, but no one said it was ez to raise these girls or everyone would do it....

most peeps wont listen when you try to help tho....

you do know what you're doing....you're LEARNING, and that is great...llike going up stairs, one step at a time....its uphill but worth the climb...

The bitch is, I've got a serious case of CRS... can't remember shit :)

anyway, the above is my take on the situation and it works for me....when it stops if it does, then i have an alternative plan in place....things do become immune to stuff after a while, so always plan the next step....just in case...

good lluck, you'll do great....L:peace:

Thanks to all the exceptional, experimental, and helpful people on this site, this grow is going great (knocking on my wooden head). It is so nice to have folks to share it with. :thankyou::thankyou::thankyou:

36 hours and I flip the switch :yahoo:

:peace:
 
I know you don't want to clean up that crawlspace, but bugs are gonna love you for that.

They love clutter and places to hide, because by the time you notice, their numbers are legion.

You gotta make it inhospitable for them, and they hate neatness.

Speaking as a slob, it's easier for them to just find the next slob's grow ;).

In the meantime, a few cedar planks or fence boards and/or some cedar sawdust
would be a nice organic way to screw with them.

You probably already know this, but some peeps are allergic to cedar and redwood, so check that first.

The no pest strips are excellent too, but you still need to be able to spot them *early* and easily, and if it's cluttered, you can't.

A cluttered grow is a time-bomb.
 
"nobody knows everything about anything"
setting sun

Man, I could easily settle for a little bit of somethings! :)

This morning was a good example. It was a dark and stormy morning... ha, not really, it was 80° at 6:30 with about the same humidity, but that dark and stormy always sounds good for a drama :grinjoint: The scrog just came out of their 36 hr dark period.

Everything was chartreuse, new leaves, old leaves, every friggin' leaf. Daughters of a bitch! I freaked. Then I hit the search button. Iron and manganese deficiency.

Aw man, that danged pH was biting me again. I have so much iron and manganese in our water that our clothes turn brown. H20 softener takes care of that for the house, but the girls get it straight from the well. It's gotta be some kinda lockout.

Hmmm, life goes on, and besides, I had to brush my teeth. The sonicare must have vibrated something. My thoughts turned to not wanting DocBud to come kick my ass... which led to something he said about chlorotic... which made me wonder what the hell that was... which led to a minor hopeful epiphany... they've been in the freakin' dark for 36 hrs, whadda you expect, dumass???

So, the end of this act is, they look much greener tonight, I'm celebrating with a Sierra Nevada and White Widow, I didn't have to go buy any emergency plant resuscitation stuff, my brain got a little scratching, and 420 paid off the price of it's free subscription once again. :cheertwo:

It's unbelievable how those little things do add up, even when we're not paying attention.

Thanks for reminding me, doode. And, if it sounds like I'm baked and rambling, it's because I am :)

:peace:
 
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