Lazarus13
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I have 3 autos going, 2 in 2Liter bottles and one in a gallon jug and theyre all pushing 3ft tall. I use maxibloom as well. I grew them in the 2liters to keep em small but they will do what they will.
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Way to go Lazarus!
I remember starting in hempy because I thought I'd be able to get three plants into the bloom tent at once. 
It was brought to my attention today that there's a rumor going 'round that this is a joke thread, that we really have soil in our pots and perlite on the top to fool the camera.
I found this news amusing. Did the perpetrators of this story completely miss our photos of roots? Lol! How sad for them, eh? They'll continue spreading that lie and we'll be over here growing bad-ass cannabis in small amounts of perlite.
Keep up the good work guys. This lovely Carnival came to me in soil. Yesterday I rinsed as much soil as I could from her roots and transplanted her into perlite soaked in 1/4 nutrients.
You'd never know she wasn't grown in the hempy from the beginning.
Say what you will, hempy rocks!
BigBearNTexas
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It was brought to my attention today that there's a rumor going 'round that this is a joke thread, that we really have soil in our pots and perlite on the top to fool the camera.
Are you sure that wasn’t the joke?
I’m loving hempy. It fits my needs perfectly. I get to both be fairly lazy about gardening, and also as attentive as I want to be without smothering. And no overwatering! Lol
BTzGrow
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Haters gonna Hate! We know the truth and really don't care if they do hempy or whatever. We are going to be over here doing out thing. It they want to join in, excellent!It was brought to my attention today that there's a rumor going 'round that this is a joke thread, that we really have soil in our pots and perlite on the top to fool the camera.
I found this news amusing. Did the perpetrators of this story completely miss our photos of roots? Lol! How sad for them, eh? They'll continue spreading that lie and we'll be over here growing bad-ass cannabis in small amounts of perlite.
I've been unsuccessful doing autos in my perlite pots. The plants barely build any mass before moving into bloom. I've tried a few things, but I can't seem to find a way around the issue so I've been keeping the perlite hempies full of photos and sink autos in dirt outside.
Fun! These people are not watching the calendar and noticing how quickly the grows happen.
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Could it be your climate, it the fact that you’re growing with Osmo +?
Thinking back I can’t recall if I’d done an auto in hempy before. ......Nope, these are my first attempt. I use RX Texhnologies though, and that may be the key to success in my garden. I’ll also have lights to make them shine.
Well...this will be more of an adventure than I anticipated.
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So yesterday my two Dark Devil Autos reached a milestone in their young, tender lives. They celebrated their 2 day old birthday post sprout. To celebrate they were up-potted into 1.5 gallons of perlite (it goes all the way to the bottom) soaked with 1/4 strength nutrients. With the guidance of @SweetSue the procedure came off without a hitch. This morning, nearly 24 hours later the young ladies are still looking happy and content. The plants are in the hempy pots for the long haul and I'm anxious to see what comes of it. I anticipate increasing the strength of the nutrients up to full strength in a week to 10 days. Here is a terrible photo but you get the idea....LOL
One thing I plan on doing is a suggestion made by Tead. I keep a spray bottle on the table and each morning will squeeze 20 or 30 pumps of water down their stems. It's not a lot but I know it will go straight down passing a lot of roots on it's way to the reservoir.
One thing I plan on doing is a suggestion made by Tead. I keep a spray bottle on the table and each morning will squeeze 20 or 30 pumps of water down their stems. It's not a lot but I know it will go straight down passing a lot of roots on it's way to the reservoir.
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Welcome to the happy hempy experiment beez. 
The issue may reside in my individual world considering how unusual it is.
I really think it's caused by the thin perlite medium supporting such huge root growth so well. In an auto, the bloom trigger seems to be roots hitting the bottom of the bucket. When your roots grow fast as lightning, the bloom trigger just hits too early.
Next year when the temps drop and I can pop seeds again, I'll kick the Coco tires... growth all around seems about 1/4 slower in Coco then perlite.
I really think it's caused by the thin perlite medium supporting such huge root growth so well. In an auto, the bloom trigger seems to be roots hitting the bottom of the bucket. When your roots grow fast as lightning, the bloom trigger just hits too early.
Next year when the temps drop and I can pop seeds again, I'll kick the Coco tires... growth all around seems about 1/4 slower in Coco then perlite.
I sure hope you get better results than I do with autos and perlite... but my experience would predict you'll end up with some really pretty but very small girls.
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I have lots of seeds to play with (thank you Mr. McCain
) and smaller means I can grow more at once, possibly get 4-6 in that shelf.
So why don't you design a tall pot (12" to 14") and maybe 6" diameter for the autos? PVC with a round plexiglass bottom epoxied on? That might not even be tall enough but Sue said the liquid does no wick higher then that. I know I translplanted a 2 day old auto yesterday that had a root that was every bit of 4" long in just 2 days.
Tead's normal hempy pots are 6in (ID) PVC pipe cut to 12" lengths. I cut a few to 24" lengths.....
I, for one, am not convinced that the tap root encountering resistance triggers onset of flowering in Autos. I have read grow journals of Autos in shallow containers that achieved impressive size.
Although, it would appear to make sense from the standpoint of the origins of the ruderalis genetics. Imagine, if you will, a taproot encountering shallow bedrock or the increasingly cooler approach to permafrost. From the standpoint of reproduction, the plant may consider this enough of an impediment to further vegetative growth that, over time, at least in these conditions, earlier flower onset becomes a trait.
I would suggest that a container that is deeper than it is wide is probably a prudent approach if one desires to prolong flowering as long as genetically possible.
Although, it would appear to make sense from the standpoint of the origins of the ruderalis genetics. Imagine, if you will, a taproot encountering shallow bedrock or the increasingly cooler approach to permafrost. From the standpoint of reproduction, the plant may consider this enough of an impediment to further vegetative growth that, over time, at least in these conditions, earlier flower onset becomes a trait.
I would suggest that a container that is deeper than it is wide is probably a prudent approach if one desires to prolong flowering as long as genetically possible.
Reservoir area drying out?
Plants ate all their nitrogen early?
Not low enough on calcium to show signs of deficiency but still not "enough" for optimum (or calcium:magnesium ratio out of kilter)?
Ambient temperature coupled with small non-aerated reservoir causes roots to run low on available oxygen, mimicking "out of room in the root zone area" symptoms to the plant?
BtW, was it you that was thinking about experimenting with active aeration via air pump & stones in a hempy some while back? If so, did you do it? If so... did those plants end up larger than their contemporaries?
Yeah, that's important when the little ones have no real root system as of yet.
I think Sue is doing the right thing, starting them off in the Solo cups. Being physically too immature to flower, they shouldn't be badly effected by not having a large root space, even if they do somehow manage to overgrow their initial containers a bit.
Maybe - but that doesn't feel right to me. Yes, it happens if/when you get a rootbound situation in soil-grown auto-flowers, but I feel there's more to this mechanism. I know, feelings aren't much to go on - and aren't part of the scientific method. Still...
The member who sells LEDs, grows, and (along with his spouse(?)) does review/etc. videos on YouTube has grown some massive (for autos) auto-flowering plants. I think the ones I saw might have been grown via DWC (can't swear to it, though). I'm thinking he's gotten a pound off of one, maybe in just a five-gallon bucket. So not a huge container, but he was able to keep the DO level up at all times during the grow.
Just speculating, of course.
Probably a set of triggering factors. Life is a complex thing. Environmental (et cetera) conditions change over time. Organisms that rely on too narrow and specific conditions for their processes tend not to last very long - and cannabis is still here
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I wonder if you could make a tall......4 foot or 5 foot cylindrical pot around 6" in diameter. Up the outside would run a small aquarium tube, at the top a drip ring. At the bottom a very small pump. Or better yet and aerated revervoir with the water or nutrients constantly pumped to the top and back down to the reservoir.
Ganjagrowergu
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It's actually aquarium gravel with a 2" coco/perl/verm cap that I start the seed in
You people say too many good words that require thought and response... damn y'all!!
Thanks baby... I'll pick it back up 'round November. Gotta pack the seeds up for the summer heat.
Well... I am strictly speaking to the perlite hempy configuration. I suspect the other grows differed.
Tried many.... 5 gals, various lengths of 6"PVC, 2Ls, you get the idea.
Pain in my ass... holdin my feet to the fire about bubblin the gumbo. Goddammit!!!
You know I'd have to drill holes and run tubing for all that wackiness.
Alllllright.... allllright.... I ran across my pump the other day.
I swear.... I'm calling your mom and telling her your room needs a good cleaning!
No dry res... not in a million years. Water every 2 days and the tube it's in is 12L. I think it's over-watered judging by the fan leaf curl lately.
It's hard to image such a tiny girl consuming the output of 50g of Osmo+.... so hard that I think I have to toss it straight out.... sorry.
I supplement calcium with 5ml/gal CalMag.... no signs of cal def.... I know it well.
Temps.... well maybe. The garden has been well below 90f for the last whatever long I can recall. At night, I usually see 70's (AC 24/7). Maybe this is an answer, but I was seeing the same action during the cooler winter months.
Ahhhh Beez... I see you have not discovered the depths of Tead's laziness.
4 or 5 foot... Good Lord man!!!! Can I sink it 4 foot down? Hmmmm.... probably not... the local water table is crazy high and would surely work it's nastiness inside. Fun thought!
I've been pondering bubbles. Drip tubes and setups on all the pots would be way over the top. Simple bubbles in the bottom of them all would be a herculean effort.
The simplicity of the basic hempy pot is some very powerful magic in my world. Many times complications can add up to a negative when you pool everything together. On the other hand... we are just talking bubbles... jeez Tead... lazy f*#%!!!!
I have lots of seeds to play with (thank you Mr. McCain
Thanks baby... I'll pick it back up 'round November. Gotta pack the seeds up for the summer heat.
Well... I am strictly speaking to the perlite hempy configuration. I suspect the other grows differed.
Tried many.... 5 gals, various lengths of 6"PVC, 2Ls, you get the idea.
Pain in my ass... holdin my feet to the fire about bubblin the gumbo. Goddammit!!!
You know I'd have to drill holes and run tubing for all that wackiness.
Alllllright.... allllright.... I ran across my pump the other day.
I swear.... I'm calling your mom and telling her your room needs a good cleaning!
No dry res... not in a million years. Water every 2 days and the tube it's in is 12L. I think it's over-watered judging by the fan leaf curl lately.
It's hard to image such a tiny girl consuming the output of 50g of Osmo+.... so hard that I think I have to toss it straight out.... sorry.
I supplement calcium with 5ml/gal CalMag.... no signs of cal def.... I know it well.
Temps.... well maybe. The garden has been well below 90f for the last whatever long I can recall. At night, I usually see 70's (AC 24/7). Maybe this is an answer, but I was seeing the same action during the cooler winter months.
Ahhhh Beez... I see you have not discovered the depths of Tead's laziness.
4 or 5 foot... Good Lord man!!!! Can I sink it 4 foot down? Hmmmm.... probably not... the local water table is crazy high and would surely work it's nastiness inside. Fun thought!
I've been pondering bubbles. Drip tubes and setups on all the pots would be way over the top. Simple bubbles in the bottom of them all would be a herculean effort.
The simplicity of the basic hempy pot is some very powerful magic in my world. Many times complications can add up to a negative when you pool everything together. On the other hand... we are just talking bubbles... jeez Tead... lazy f*#%!!!!
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I agree on the point that simplicity is the key with hempy. The 12” height works best because of the physics of wicking. The wicking itself introduces oxygen into the process.
We start bubbling and we might as well be doing DWC.
Watering every two days serves so many grow needs - the plant never hungers, the reservoir gets flushed, you get to handle the girls every other day and not think about it in between.
Hempy works because it’s a less-is-more process, just like cannabis.