Here ya go...
MaxiGro
Jack’s Professional
MaxiGro
Jack’s Professional
Thanks. I see that top one is MaxiGro. Do you have one for MaxiBloom (the other component)?
Here ya go
I took the liberty of adding some Calcium Nitrate to raise the N and Ca. Cost less than a penny.
I took the liberty of adding some Calcium Nitrate to raise the N and Ca. Cost less than a penny.
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Hmmm.... I use RX because I got them free and they grow the most amazingly beautiful plants with the least amount of effort. So easy I left my untrained daughter to care for my garden with only a visual tutorial on site to follow and she had no trouble at all.
I haven’t looked at other lines because the universe kept supplying this one and I wasn’t ready to mess with success. It’s expensive, to be sure. A hobbyist doesn’t have that luxury of being able to write the expense off.
I’ll be keeping an eye on this discussion. I have no desire to throw money away. If a better product can do the same job and I can access it easily I’m all ears.
I stopped to leave some fun photos of my evening project. I have two Dark Devil Autos to transplant in the morning, but I only had one pot prepared. You know how I love to document.
When I’m ripping off tape for these projects I like to keep the last strip out as a guide for the rest. I enjoy consistency and frugality.
The whole job is easier and more aesthetically pleasing when you tape vertically.
Down to the last two strips
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Before I drill the drain hole I add an extra layer of tape for strength.
Now I’m all ready for tomorrow’s transplant.
Ahhh..... hempy makes my life easier.
I haven’t looked at other lines because the universe kept supplying this one and I wasn’t ready to mess with success. It’s expensive, to be sure. A hobbyist doesn’t have that luxury of being able to write the expense off.
I’ll be keeping an eye on this discussion. I have no desire to throw money away. If a better product can do the same job and I can access it easily I’m all ears.
I stopped to leave some fun photos of my evening project. I have two Dark Devil Autos to transplant in the morning, but I only had one pot prepared. You know how I love to document.
When I’m ripping off tape for these projects I like to keep the last strip out as a guide for the rest. I enjoy consistency and frugality.
The whole job is easier and more aesthetically pleasing when you tape vertically.
Down to the last two strips
.
Before I drill the drain hole I add an extra layer of tape for strength.
Now I’m all ready for tomorrow’s transplant.
Ahhh..... hempy makes my life easier.
Worth every dime. Tead's a bragger!
Because I'm too much of a coward to rip it up and trim the roots... but yes.... that will avoid most of the rot issue. I just don't do it, so didn't even think of it.
So far, no sign (or smell) of root rot in my revegging Auto Jack.
Wait.... why are we re-vegging an auto?
Indeed. If I were diving back into the adjustable nutrients scene, I'd sure be diggin up some of the powdered variety.
No... it's an automatic win on the lazy-scale.
I'm reminded of a Futurama episode where Lela is a baseball (well, 'blurnsball') pitcher. If the batter hit the ball thru a little hole in the outfield, they won the game automatically. Osmo is a guide-line that puts that blurnsball right into the hole.
Hey Tead!
Hey Tead!
Because we can!
Actually, it just started as a lark. I put it outside and watered it a couple of times. I was as surprised as anyone when new green started sprouting. At this point, I’m curious what will happen. There was one hypothesis that she might not bloom again automatically now. We shall see...
Because we can!
Actually, it just started as a lark. I put it outside and watered it a couple of times. I was as surprised as anyone when new green started sprouting. At this point, I’m curious what will happen. There was one hypothesis that she might not bloom again automatically now. We shall see...
DrDoob
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I just went through and did the math based on actual costs, it's not quite as expensive as $1.38/gal but it's not cheap either.
Cost from Amazon:
Grow A&B (half strength) $60/gal .016/ml
Bloom A&B (half strength) $54/gal .014/ml
Energy $37/quart .04/ml
Bulk $40/quart .042/ml
Cal/Mag $14/quart .015/ml
Silica $16/quart .017/ml
Vegetive:
Grow 30ml - .48
Energy 5ml - .2
Cal/Mag - .075
Silica - .085
Total - $0.84/gal
6 weeks - $15.12
Flowering first 2 weeks and last 4 weeks:
Bloom 30ml - .42
Bulk 5ml - .21
Cal/Mag - .075
Silica - .085
Total - $0.79/gal
First 2 weeks - $4.74
Last 4 weeks - $9.48
Flowering second 2 weeks:
Bloom 30ml - .42
Bulk 10ml - .42
Cal/Mag - .075
Silica - .085
Total - $1/gal
2 weeks - $6
Flowering last 4 weeks:
Bloom 30ml - .42
Bulk 5ml - .21
Cal/Mag - .075
Total - $0.71/gal
4 weeks - $8.52
Total per plant at 3gal a week = $43.86
Doesn't seem too bad to me. That's a lot less than I spend on coffee every week ;-)
Cost from Amazon:
Grow A&B (half strength) $60/gal .016/ml
Bloom A&B (half strength) $54/gal .014/ml
Energy $37/quart .04/ml
Bulk $40/quart .042/ml
Cal/Mag $14/quart .015/ml
Silica $16/quart .017/ml
Vegetive:
Grow 30ml - .48
Energy 5ml - .2
Cal/Mag - .075
Silica - .085
Total - $0.84/gal
6 weeks - $15.12
Flowering first 2 weeks and last 4 weeks:
Bloom 30ml - .42
Bulk 5ml - .21
Cal/Mag - .075
Silica - .085
Total - $0.79/gal
First 2 weeks - $4.74
Last 4 weeks - $9.48
Flowering second 2 weeks:
Bloom 30ml - .42
Bulk 10ml - .42
Cal/Mag - .075
Silica - .085
Total - $1/gal
2 weeks - $6
Flowering last 4 weeks:
Bloom 30ml - .42
Bulk 5ml - .21
Cal/Mag - .075
Total - $0.71/gal
4 weeks - $8.52
Total per plant at 3gal a week = $43.86
Doesn't seem too bad to me. That's a lot less than I spend on coffee every week ;-)
BigBearNTexas
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Hey Tead!
Because we can!
Actually, it just started as a lark. I put it outside and watered it a couple of times. I was as surprised as anyone when new green started sprouting. At this point, I’m curious what will happen. There was one hypothesis that she might not bloom again automatically now. We shall see...
I revegged a CKS Northern alights earlier this year. It worked in that I was able to get a small second harvest, but it wasn’t a “reveg” like what would happen with a photo. It just kept blooming. It was a bunch of airy foxtails, but it got me an material to make tincture from. Had I dried it, it would probably have been about 14g of bud or less. But I threw the whole plant in, so got a decent amount of trichomes to harvest.
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I just get joyful chills every time I see a reveg. Ok...I’ll give it a try again. Next hempy harvest I’ll be sure to save enough to get one going.
@DrDoob, I agree. I spend more on coffee every week and I get fabulous plants for that investment in RX.
Thanks for crunching the numbers and saving me the frustration.
@DrDoob, I agree. I spend more on coffee every week and I get fabulous plants for that investment in RX.
Thanks for crunching the numbers and saving me the frustration.
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Transplanting doesn’t get any easier than hempy, does it?
Good morning Doob!
Great info! Glad the costs worked out lower for you.
I trust you understand that I didn’t intentionally inflate any prices. I was just lazy and pulled them off their site.
From now on, I’ll refrain from including prices, since my lack of research on behalf of others getting their best deal might provide misleading info.
Great info! Glad the costs worked out lower for you.
I trust you understand that I didn’t intentionally inflate any prices. I was just lazy and pulled them off their site.
From now on, I’ll refrain from including prices, since my lack of research on behalf of others getting their best deal might provide misleading info.
Hey BigBear! 
That’s one interesting plant! So you harvested the colas and left lower buds to continue? Or did it just grow out new buds?
That’s one interesting plant! So you harvested the colas and left lower buds to continue? Or did it just grow out new buds?
DrDoob
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Oh I assumed you were using the MSRP which is fine since that’s the suggested price. I just couldn’t believe I spend $1.38/gal (although I didn’t discredit the possibility). Once I make the switch to the full strength bottles (I’ve got gallons of Grow and Bloom) my costs will go down a bit more.Good morning Doob!
Great info! Glad the costs worked out lower for you.
I trust you understand that I didn’t intentionally inflate any prices. I was just lazy and pulled them off their site.
From now on, I’ll refrain from including prices, since my lack of research on behalf of others getting their best deal might provide misleading info.
DrDoob
Well-Known Member
Good morning Doob!
Great info! Glad the costs worked out lower for you.
I trust you understand that I didn’t intentionally inflate any prices. I was just lazy and pulled them off their site.
From now on, I’ll refrain from including prices, since my lack of research on behalf of others getting their best deal might provide misleading info.
I think the price info is great, maybe just add where you got the price from, like you did with Rx Green, lol soon as you said you got it from their site I knew I had spent much less. Everyone's going to find their own price and deals anyway, just having a number to go off of is great.
BTW I don't think I said thanks for crunching the numbers it's very enlightening to see the expenses on paper like that. Thanks!
Now that I've been thinking of these numbers all morning I feel it's easy to justify the cost to myself. Although Rx Green is still very expensive it's worth it for the piece of mind and ease factors. Even though I did post strict numbers I don't really measure very accurately. I really just do "almost a teaspoon of this" and "a couple tablespoon's of that" and I basically guesstimate to the nearest ml. I don't PH my tap water and use a $25 inline hose filter only. I have no idea and so far haven't had to worry about what different deficiencies look like or had any PH lockout or any of the other nute issues I read about here every day. Even so after seeing the costs laid out, I'm very glad I already have a couple gallons of this stuff or I'd probably be spending my energy looking for something else yet again.
BigBearNTexas
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Hey BigBear!
That’s one interesting plant! So you harvested the colas and left lower buds to continue? Or did it just grow out new buds?
I took most of the original colas off. I left a little bit of new fluff that had grown at the base. It grew new leaves and blossoms along the stems. It didn’t make any fan leaves, just some sugar leaves and blossoms.
This is her after four weeks of new growth.
That’s really cool BigBear!
I think my Auto JH is different. There are some pistils showing on a couple of the smaller shoots (on the right side of this photo), but to me, it looks like she’s reverted to totally veg growth. She’s already pushing out some 5-blade fans.
I think my Auto JH is different. There are some pistils showing on a couple of the smaller shoots (on the right side of this photo), but to me, it looks like she’s reverted to totally veg growth. She’s already pushing out some 5-blade fans.
BigBearNTexas
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@FelipeBlu that would be awesome if she reverted to veg. They do have photo genes as well, so those may express themselves.
High Fellow Hempyites!
So it’s Friday evening and I’ve enjoyed some Auto Kryptonite flowers in the MFLB. I decided to take a stab at estimating a nutrient profile for Osmocote Plus.
I’m probably a little high but I think my assumptions are as good as any other high person’s. 
So, using 1T (16g) per gallon of perlite (I believe @Tead has narrowed an optimum dosing down to 3.3 to 3.4g/L, or ~13g/gal), for my 2 gal Hempy bucket, I will add 32g at the start. Assuming it lasts 6 months, as stated on the label, I took a straight depreciation approach, and figured (with no information to the contrary), that all nutrients would be used up evenly over the 6 months. Since twice/week watering is typical for Hempy, I presumed a depreciation on a weekly basis. So 32g/24wks =~1.3g/week. More or less, depending on temperature. I’ll call it an average.
Finally, a word about costs. Whatever I enter is either what I have paid at the local hydro store, or it’s from Amazon. In this case, I paid $5 for a 453g container of O+
So it’s Friday evening and I’ve enjoyed some Auto Kryptonite flowers in the MFLB. I decided to take a stab at estimating a nutrient profile for Osmocote Plus.
I’m probably a little high
but I think my assumptions are as good as any other high person’s. So, using 1T (16g) per gallon of perlite (I believe @Tead has narrowed an optimum dosing down to 3.3 to 3.4g/L, or ~13g/gal), for my 2 gal Hempy bucket, I will add 32g at the start. Assuming it lasts 6 months, as stated on the label, I took a straight depreciation approach, and figured (with no information to the contrary), that all nutrients would be used up evenly over the 6 months. Since twice/week watering is typical for Hempy, I presumed a depreciation on a weekly basis. So 32g/24wks =~1.3g/week. More or less, depending on temperature. I’ll call it an average.
Finally, a word about costs. Whatever I enter is either what I have paid at the local hydro store, or it’s from Amazon. In this case, I paid $5 for a 453g container of O+
That's a pretty huge assumption, lol. And flawed, I'm guessing. You can - I suppose - assume that all the nutrients in those prills get released over six months. I wouldn't care to guess at "evenly," although if you do a bunch of experiments at various temperatures and water amounts, you could then begin to form some sort of picture about the rate of release...
But it'd still be a mighty leap from that to the assumption that a specific cannabis plant will then use up those nutrients (or whatever portion of them that stays behind, if one is watering to runoff) in the same ratios that they were placed into the prills at. That'd be pretty amazing - and would mean that Osmocote Plus has not only been tailored specifically for not just any cannabis strain, but specific strains/phenotypes/plants (and, yet... all of them?). Oh, wait, there's more (lol): And with the "six months" thing, I'm guessing that covers both vegetative and flowering (including the first 40% or so, aka "the stretch") phases.
I'm going to have to say... No. Plant will either end up needing more of something or other OR will have enough of everything, but there will remain an excess of other things.
I once grew just a few strains for several years, and in DWC. Got so I could anticipate what I needed to "add back" to the reservoirs in order to bring the pH and EC back to the target. Many people grow the same strain multiple times, and can do this. So that's no big deal.
But the thing is, I noticed - as have many others, surely - that different strains used different amounts and in different ratios. If we treat all strains as if they have the exact same nutritional requirements then, at best, we've managed to nail it for... one of them. Often, not even one strain but only one phenotype of one strain. The rest? Not so much, lol. Maybe most will be - presumably will be - close enough to do "pretty good." Some may not be so lucky. And the ones that were close, well, maybe they could have been just a bit better.
Which is just... you know... just a thing. It's the other reason that nutrient companies offer multi-part nutrient product lines with supplements (first reason being more sales equal more profits, of course
) . So that the grower can customize each nutrient solution, each feeding. And then there's the single-part nutrient. Oh, and a "time/controlled/IDFK release" one, at that. Heavy feeders, light feeders... Do you add more for a heavy feeder? Use warmer water? How about one that is sort of a heavy feeder - it really likes calcium, at least - but doesn't like a lot of nitrogen?
Or one that requires a little more phosphorous and potassium during flowering than average but doesn't do well with an overabundance of nitrogen? Seems easy enough, right? Add a little(???) less Osmocote Plus initially, then supplement with a bloom component nutrient during flowering.
But that seems sort of self-defeating. If you add less prills so that you don't have the excess nitrogen during flowering... you've added less of everything. So you run out of more elements (aside from those which would otherwise have been overabundant, perhaps). Okay, so instead of just adding the blooming component, you find yourself adding the whole kit.
Hoping that all those prills are, in fact, empty at that point, I suppose.
Could be great for vegetative-only, I guess. If one figures out exactly how much to add so that it's ALL gone by the time flowering phase occurs.
So is (I'm told) choosing to grow in a good soil mix. They just water that, too.
Anyone know what the rate of release is for half a cap full of Osmocote Plus in a mixture of one and one half liters of Fox Farm's Happy Frog and one half liter of perlite, between 84°F and 86°F, when the mix is not quite too dry, and the grower is adding approximately 26 ounces of room temperature water?
Seems like it's a lot simpler with stuff I decide to mix up, LMFAO. Because the answer would be "all of it." No wondering if they're getting enough, or getting too much, or hey how much do you suppose is left for next time, the time after that, the time after...
I've read that Osmocote Plus is a boon to the lazy man. Maybe so. But there's smart lazy and "just lazy." This seems like the latter.
Excellent musings TS!
I appreciate getting your perspective on this. How else do we learn but through the previous efforts of others.
You are correct, of course, that I misstated the gradual decline in the nutrient blend in the prills as used up. A most unfortunate choice of words. What I meant was precisely what you elucidated.
Thanks again for your contribution.
I appreciate getting your perspective on this. How else do we learn but through the previous efforts of others.
You are correct, of course, that I misstated the gradual decline in the nutrient blend in the prills as used up. A most unfortunate choice of words. What I meant was precisely what you elucidated.
Thanks again for your contribution.