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Heirloom's A Little Bit Of Everything - 2016 Journal
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I have an urge to change at least one tent to a recirculating 2 liter perlite/vermiculite hempy system. Soil is just not gonna cut it indoors for me.
I have an urge to change at least one tent to a recirculating 2 liter perlite/vermiculite hempy system. Soil is just not gonna cut it indoors for me.
How cool, I mean, not that you're forced into the change, of course, but that means I get to watch you play with hempy. Quite frankly, this playing with bottled nutrients and growing in inert mediums has me a little freaked out. The bottles aren't here yet and my palms are starting to sweat.
After the angst I went through acclimating to the kit I'm surprised, actually, that I decided to do this. I must be feeling frisky. I say go for it. You'll find ways to make it excell and we can copy you. Yes, that's selfish and opportunistic, but I'm ok with that.
I have an urge to change at least one tent to a recirculating 2 liter perlite/vermiculite hempy system. Soil is just not gonna cut it indoors for me.
What do you mean by "Recirculating"? I thought hempy was drain to waste (not that it needs to be!), and if you're going to do a "recirculating" system, wouldn't you want something like undercurrent DWC, or drip, etc. in something like coco or hydroton? Am I missing something? Is this another new grow technique I seemed to have missed?
You'll do some good things with hempys man.. You seen this thread? Ideas.. Osmocote Plus Plant Food - Discuss Its Use With Cannabis Here!
How cool, I mean, not that you're forced into the change, of course, but that means I get to watch you play with hempy. Quite frankly, this playing with bottled nutrients and growing in inert mediums has me a little freaked out. The bottles aren't here yet and my palms are starting to sweat.
I say go for it. You'll find ways to make it excell and we can copy you. Yes, that's selfish and opportunistic, but I'm ok with that.
LOL!
I used to say that hydro was science and soil was farming!
Now, with what Doc Bud has been doing with soil, he's kinda turned that into science, too!
Grizz, if you were closer.....
I'm getting ready to start a hempy pot with Osmocote Plus next and this is just what I wanted to find. My God, one of us has great timing!
I walked off with this. Sorry......
Susan,....nevermind!
thanks Sue!
I just put that up cause it might help getting some ideas for time release hempys.. Tead and doc bud have time release hempy grows journaled, should find links.. Not nessasarily for the osmacote, although there's some surprising info..
It's Tead that inspired me to try and he's who I'm working with for the hempy part of the grow. He'd recommended Doc's journal as reading material. I've been so busy I haven't read anything yet, but the seed's supposed to be dropped on Sunday, so I better start soon. You were my wake up call.
Seems like the universe has a way of sending you wake up calls.It's Tead that inspired me to try and he's who I'm working with for the hempy part of the grow. He'd recommended Doc's journal as reading material. I've been so busy I haven't read anything yet, but the seed's supposed to be dropped on Sunday, so I better start soon. You were my wake up call.
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Lol, caused a bit of a ruckus with that one.
Since the accident I have had to think long and hard about how to go about making growing both indoor and out easier on me, and way more efficient. Lets face it, timed and regulated systems are far more efficient and repeatable than a willy nilly at the mercy of a human system. I know this to be true even though I have been out in left field playing in the dirt doing my own willy nilly thing. Add a timed drip system to your veggie garden, get it dialed in and you will have a better garden, guaranteed *1.
Hydro systems are king when it comes to growth rates. I'm paying for electricity that's being wasted. I'm tired of fighting hydrophobic soils with dry pockets, or soils that hold too much water, and most of all I'm tired of fungus gnats.
My intent is to have a system that waters on a timed schedule, what ever it ends up being. There will be a small pump in a reservoir plumbed to a manifold that feeds individual pressure balancing emitters for each pot. The pots will be on a pair of 10x20 trays which sit on the res and drain the waste back to the res. It's sort of a blend of RDWC and hempy. Swapping out the solution at the bottom of the hempy bucket regularly every 1,2,6,12,24hrs may increase grow, if that's even possible. DO levels in the puddles at the bottoms may or may not matter in this type of system, IDK yet.
The name of the game for me now is ease of maintenance in my specific setting, followed by drastically increasing efficiency. I considered DWC, but I know from experience there is a considerable volume of waste solution upon res change. I need to reduce the amount of water/solution in use. And I know that moving plants and doing maintenance could be an issue. I've been playing with Pro-mix, and DIY pro-mix, but don't want to run peat with the acidity and break down issues. Hempy made sense, but I know from experience I don't much care for coco. So the perl/verm seemed like a decent idea. Plus it's lite and easy to handle. I really don't want to hand water them all, so the solution to that is a pump on a timer. I will whittle the amount of nutrient solution made each week down to as little as possible, and refine the res design so the pump is submerged in a relatively narrow column of water, that way the water volume needed to keep the pump submerged can be reduced (VS a tub for instance). The little excess solution each week will go to a soil plant somewhere. I'll make up the required solution each week, pump out the old solution into a waste bucket, clean anything if needed, and pour in the new. Monitor and top up. The plants are not anchored to a bucket so they can come right out. One can be pulled for silver treatment if needed and put back with out hassle.
Nutrient selection is Advanced Nutrients. I'm already impressed with what little I've used. Growth is hydro crazy, just like I remember it being. The various products will be put into pump dispensers and I can pump it into a graduated cylinder for precise measurements. Will be using Sensi Grow and Conno Bloom. All the roots products, Sensizym, B-52, Bud Candy, Big Bud and Overdrive. Because I can, I will eventually try the rest of their line to see if it helps at all.
Premixing O'cote is probably the easier way to go in the long run, but I seem to have mental issues with waiting. It would cause me to mess with it because I have nothing better to do. I still want to feel involved, know what I mean? And with O'cote, you've rolled your dice. It's in there whether you want it or not. Slow release means, good or bad, it's there. With the AN I can go back to fixing a problem in hours or days, rather than a week or more.
And don't forget, I'm not giving up on outdoor. The shear volumes involved out there dictate the use of dry slow release ferts. So I will have the best of all worlds. If I liked cake, I would eat it too, lol.
Hope that answers everybody. T'was a lot of typing, lol.
PS: Seemingly ironically, there is far more science involved in soils.
*1 - Unless you're some in-human master gardener capable of machine like precision.
Since the accident I have had to think long and hard about how to go about making growing both indoor and out easier on me, and way more efficient. Lets face it, timed and regulated systems are far more efficient and repeatable than a willy nilly at the mercy of a human system. I know this to be true even though I have been out in left field playing in the dirt doing my own willy nilly thing. Add a timed drip system to your veggie garden, get it dialed in and you will have a better garden, guaranteed *1.
Hydro systems are king when it comes to growth rates. I'm paying for electricity that's being wasted. I'm tired of fighting hydrophobic soils with dry pockets, or soils that hold too much water, and most of all I'm tired of fungus gnats.
My intent is to have a system that waters on a timed schedule, what ever it ends up being. There will be a small pump in a reservoir plumbed to a manifold that feeds individual pressure balancing emitters for each pot. The pots will be on a pair of 10x20 trays which sit on the res and drain the waste back to the res. It's sort of a blend of RDWC and hempy. Swapping out the solution at the bottom of the hempy bucket regularly every 1,2,6,12,24hrs may increase grow, if that's even possible. DO levels in the puddles at the bottoms may or may not matter in this type of system, IDK yet.
The name of the game for me now is ease of maintenance in my specific setting, followed by drastically increasing efficiency. I considered DWC, but I know from experience there is a considerable volume of waste solution upon res change. I need to reduce the amount of water/solution in use. And I know that moving plants and doing maintenance could be an issue. I've been playing with Pro-mix, and DIY pro-mix, but don't want to run peat with the acidity and break down issues. Hempy made sense, but I know from experience I don't much care for coco. So the perl/verm seemed like a decent idea. Plus it's lite and easy to handle. I really don't want to hand water them all, so the solution to that is a pump on a timer. I will whittle the amount of nutrient solution made each week down to as little as possible, and refine the res design so the pump is submerged in a relatively narrow column of water, that way the water volume needed to keep the pump submerged can be reduced (VS a tub for instance). The little excess solution each week will go to a soil plant somewhere. I'll make up the required solution each week, pump out the old solution into a waste bucket, clean anything if needed, and pour in the new. Monitor and top up. The plants are not anchored to a bucket so they can come right out. One can be pulled for silver treatment if needed and put back with out hassle.
Nutrient selection is Advanced Nutrients. I'm already impressed with what little I've used. Growth is hydro crazy, just like I remember it being. The various products will be put into pump dispensers and I can pump it into a graduated cylinder for precise measurements. Will be using Sensi Grow and Conno Bloom. All the roots products, Sensizym, B-52, Bud Candy, Big Bud and Overdrive. Because I can, I will eventually try the rest of their line to see if it helps at all.
Premixing O'cote is probably the easier way to go in the long run, but I seem to have mental issues with waiting. It would cause me to mess with it because I have nothing better to do. I still want to feel involved, know what I mean? And with O'cote, you've rolled your dice. It's in there whether you want it or not. Slow release means, good or bad, it's there. With the AN I can go back to fixing a problem in hours or days, rather than a week or more.
And don't forget, I'm not giving up on outdoor. The shear volumes involved out there dictate the use of dry slow release ferts. So I will have the best of all worlds. If I liked cake, I would eat it too, lol.
Hope that answers everybody. T'was a lot of typing, lol.
PS: Seemingly ironically, there is far more science involved in soils.
*1 - Unless you're some in-human master gardener capable of machine like precision.
Yep, I'm impressed. Not surprised, mind you, but mighty impressed.
I've heard people never changing res, only adding water or nutrient if required ph up/down. That's sounds easy if you can work it.. Get to read the plants, decide what to feed them on your thoughts of what's been eaten with p/h and ppm fluctuations.im just throwing ideas, I like the look of my type
Best of luck to you my friend in whatever growing route you decide on taking
Best of luck to you my friend in whatever growing route you decide on taking
Heirloom,
Do a search for 'Bellows Metering Pumps'. My wife had a photo lab. The paper and film processors used them. You can even get them ganged together. They are deathly accurate at low volumes. I would mail you one except it would be 240V. They also used magnetic chemical pumps to recirculate the tank solutions.(The impeller is magnetic and isolated from the motor, in some kind of chemical resistant plastic housing.) Both items are fairly reasonably priced if you shop around.
Best, good to have you making plans.
canyon
Do a search for 'Bellows Metering Pumps'. My wife had a photo lab. The paper and film processors used them. You can even get them ganged together. They are deathly accurate at low volumes. I would mail you one except it would be 240V. They also used magnetic chemical pumps to recirculate the tank solutions.(The impeller is magnetic and isolated from the motor, in some kind of chemical resistant plastic housing.) Both items are fairly reasonably priced if you shop around.
Best, good to have you making plans.
canyon