Haight Solid State vs. H.G.LED

Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

scumbragger said:
That's funny..those plants must have thought they were being fed cotton candy...LOL....usually the only things to worry about outside will have legs!

Hey SS I found a guy in Europe doing about twice as much as anyone seems to get with LEDs around here...I think do to the number of plants some are restricted to grow is a contributing factor as he uses a totally different method...SOG!...The LED's cost more too!
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I think SOG or SCROG would be *great* ways to grow with LED's. The penetration issues would be lessened greatly.

The pics you sent me in PM looked like he did a 12/12 from seed in as many 5" square pots as he could cram in the given area. Beautiful LED SOG grow.

thanks bro!
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

I was flowering with 4 90w LED UFO's on 9 plants, the health of the plants was great but the buds were fluffy and elongated.

New - 9 x Pineapple Express cutting from mother plant @ 1' high, organic soil and fertilizer, 4 gallon pots, 4.5 'x 4.5' area. week 1 @ 12/12

Now I'm trying a bit of both, I still have the 4 UFO's but I added a 400w HPS in the middle to assist with the size and fill in the missing spectrum (and possibly needed heat radiation similar to the sun).
I'm still on 760w with little heat from the HPS (was using 1000w). Also able to maintain 76-78c with a air cooled hood.

Got to keep experimenting.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Setting Sun said:
LOL!

I'm sure I could come up with one if I tried, but that would be counter-productive ;).
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It don't matter what we think. There's only 3 people involved in decision making and that's SS and the two sellers. I don't see any way it could be fairer ?? Hey SS how are the two culled plants doing about now ??
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Setting Sun said:
That's interesting because it conflicts with Ed Rosenthal's recommendation of 72F as the ideal soil temp, which would dictate an ambient temp of 62-67F.

With all due respect to Ed Rosenthal, he's not the final authority on everything green in my book because *nobody* is, but could you substantiate the above quote?

I'd be very interested in higher root temps since I could achieve gains without too much trouble or expense.
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In hydro, you want cold water because it holds more dissolved oxygen and helps prevent certain biological bad guys. It's more important because there is very little buffer and little room for error. In dirt, I think it's less important.

Remember your last grow bro? your roots got overheated and cooked because of that heat wave. Obviously you don't want to overheat your roots, just as you dont want to shock them with too cold. In cold weather, warm roots will help the plant survive, and vice versa is true as well. if you cooled your roots somehow during that heat wave it would help them survive.

I would say follow Ed's advice. mid 70's would be a good buffer against any extreme temps, and would allow a nice stable environment for the good fungus and bacteria to thrive.

***when cloning, I think it's beneficial to have the root zone be a few degrees warmer than the ambient air, as long as the air is in the right temps too (mid 70's) this encourages faster rooting.

looking forward to the next set of pics ss. good job so far.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

WheeloFortune said:
In hydro, you want cold water because it holds more dissolved oxygen and helps prevent certain biological bad guys. It's more important because there is very little buffer and little room for error. In dirt, I think it's less important.
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gotcha

Remember your last grow bro? your roots got overheated and cooked because of that heat wave. Obviously you don't want to overheat your roots, just as you dont want to shock them with too cold. In cold weather, warm roots will help the plant survive, and vice versa is true as well. if you cooled your roots somehow during that heat wave it would help them survive.
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my last grow with the cooked roots was why I quickly ditched the heat mats when I saw soil temps go up to mid-80's at the bottom of the pots. I was especially concerned about the tap root.


I would say follow Ed's advice. mid 70's would be a good buffer against any extreme temps, and would allow a nice stable environment for the good fungus and bacteria to thrive.
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that's where I've had the root zone temps so far and I don't think anyone would say the plants haven't done well.




looking forward to the next set of pics ss. good job so far.
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I'll take some pics later tonight and update. There has been progress.

thank you wheelo ;)
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Slowpuffer said:
It don't matter what we think. There's only 3 people involved in decision making and that's SS and the two sellers. I don't see any way it could be fairer ?? Hey SS how are the two culled plants doing about now ??
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I put the molasses thing out there because the more heads thinking about stuff, the less chance I introduce a variable that will throw things off.

The final decisions are up to the two manufacturers and myself, but it's possible for someone else to come up with an objection that we haven't considered, so that's why I asked.

The culled plants are doing OK. They aren't going to be used as moms.

thanks Slowpuffer ;)
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

if you are going to use molasses it is way more effective to use it in a tea. The molasses is just a microbial food and you still need a catalyst and air to get it brewing. Molasses, kelp powder, and fish powder all work great as a microbial food source and for a catalyst humic acid, fulvic acid, yucca extract or rock dust all work. Fulvic acid works the best because it can be used at any PH level. Then you need a starter with some microbes already started. Compost works great. We use nettles, roots and all. Mix it all in a five gallon pail and either stir a lot or use an air supply. Takes about 3 days to have a brew that is loaded with microbes. Will work way better then anything you can buy.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Been watching forums for awhile and the molasses thing is still up in the air. Some swear by it and some swear at it. Supposed to make buds sweeter blah, blah but it seems more wives tale than science. Still new enough to weigh the data but so far I'm not convinced.

Glad all was cool (or warm at least) while you were out of town. Can't wait for the forthcoming bud pics.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

hydronewbie said:
Been watching forums for awhile and the molasses thing is still up in the air. Some swear by it and some swear at it. Supposed to make buds sweeter blah, blah but it seems more wives tale than science. Still new enough to weigh the data but so far I'm not convinced.
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There are lots of growers using commercial carb products like Sweet and reporting positive results.

Molasses is a natural carb product, except it also has significant amounts of calcium, magnesium and iron at 1Tbsp per gallon.

There's a lot of debate over whether sugar molecules are too large to be taken up by the roots and so on, but at the very least molasses feeds the benefical microbes in the soil, and provides the minerals.

I've also read enough comments from what I consider to be credible growers stating that adding molasses improved taste to believe that it's all placebo effect.

In any case, the main reason I use it is to feed the soil microbes, and any other benefits are ancillary to that.

People really will argue about anything ;).


Glad all was cool (or warm at least) while you were out of town. Can't wait for the forthcoming bud pics.
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thanks!

yep, all was good upon return ;) pics upcoming
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

I myself am quite a newbie grower, but have been using molasses since late in my first grow. I use it for the same exact reason as Setting Sun. To grow my microzoo in my soil up fat and happy.

I kinda figured it out after lots of reading here a pretty simple principle for growing organic pot. Grow healthy soil! In an organic grow, it is your soil that feeds your plant, not you. The organic molecules just because they are organic are complex in nature.

Complex molecules are generally too large for direct uptake into a root. Beneficial bacteria eat the organic molecules and poop out less stable short duration less complex organics that the roots eat and the mycorrhizal fungus does a similar job but live directly on your roots. The waste product from the fungus feeds the roots and the plant will drink the moisture from the fungus during times of drought to survive times of no water. Great win win for the pot plant (not so much for the fungus except they get feed well by you).

Sterile soil mixes have no active fungus culture and it needs to be added, most organic ferts generally have something like that in their line.

Ok back to why I feed molasses to this organic microzoo. Simple plant sugars break down easily (very) so they make great food for the microzoo. Sugar is just carbon, hydrogen and oxygen...everything needed to make basic plant material but the micronutrients. Well blackstrap molasses is the final stage of production for sugar, so it has the simple sugars and all the boiled down plant goo, turns out they are the micronutrients the plant stored in making the plant structure for the sugar cane. So blackstrap molasses is providing raw building materials for plant material directly to the roots via beneficial's....why wouldn't you use it (unless you have another product doing it's job)? I use it in between feedings cuz I want my zoo working on the nutes during nute days. :rasta:

So remember to hug your soil if your plant comes out great!!! :grinjoint:

Sorry Setting Sun for the ramble...

:peace: brother.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

borntorun said:
if you are going to use molasses it is way more effective to use it in a tea. The molasses is just a microbial food and you still need a catalyst and air to get it brewing. Molasses, kelp powder, and fish powder all work great as a microbial food source and for a catalyst humic acid, fulvic acid, yucca extract or rock dust all work. Fulvic acid works the best because it can be used at any PH level. Then you need a starter with some microbes already started. Compost works great. We use nettles, roots and all. Mix it all in a five gallon pail and either stir a lot or use an air supply. Takes about 3 days to have a brew that is loaded with microbes. Will work way better then anything you can buy.
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Sounds good.

Are there any specific amounts for the ingredients?

I'm not going to use teas on this grow, but may in the future.

thanks BTR!
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

day 21 bloom

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The tallest plant in each group is up to 25", and there is more variation in height now. Around 5" or so from shortest to tallest in each group. I'm keeping the canopy even by adding more shims to the pots.

Things seem to be going OK except the nodes aren't very stacked on either group. I can't imagine all that space filling up with buds to form a single cola, but I've never grown this strain before.

thanks for following!
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Hmmm...if you were to ask me which plant I would prefer to purchase, at this point I'd buy an HGL. Looks bushier, hence, potentially more flowers. I could be wrong, but the HSS looks spindly to me. Both are looking beautiful, healthy and well cared for. I think we're going to have to throw a Quincinera for those ladies pretty soon. Thanks again, SS.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

It might be me but although the plants EXTREMELY healthy, I would think they would be further along in their cycle for bloom
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

They look like they are nearing the end of the stretch - hope the buds start to pack on weight. The HGL does seem to be doing a better job. Good work as always SS!
 
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