Haight Solid State vs. H.G.LED
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Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED
I do the same for water and nute feedings.
In order to flush the built up salts out with regular waterings and nute feedings, I've found that half the container's volume in runoff seems to work well. I catch the runoff in a drain pan and I have it marked at the level where I stop watering/feeding.
So with these pots, I water and feed until I get about a gallon or so of runoff. With that percentage of runoff, I know the pots are completely saturated and that I've watered/fed enough to flush the medium well, and that they all have roughly the same concentration of nutes when feeding.
It does "waste" some water and nutes, but I think getting that much runoff helps keep the plants healthy.
On the first couple of waterings and feedings in veg, I don't worry about salt build-up since it's minimal at that stage, so I just water and feed until I get a smaller but roughly equal amount of runoff from each pot.
After that, however, I shoot for about half the volume of the container.
I always tilt my pots in all directions when done and make sure I get runoff out of every drain hole so that I know there aren't any dry pockets in there.
On the big flush when switching to 12/12, I flush with double the volume, in this case 4 gallons per plant, and on the final flush before harvest, I'll flush with at least that much.
thanks kevin!
I do the same for water and nute feedings.
In order to flush the built up salts out with regular waterings and nute feedings, I've found that half the container's volume in runoff seems to work well. I catch the runoff in a drain pan and I have it marked at the level where I stop watering/feeding.
So with these pots, I water and feed until I get about a gallon or so of runoff. With that percentage of runoff, I know the pots are completely saturated and that I've watered/fed enough to flush the medium well, and that they all have roughly the same concentration of nutes when feeding.
It does "waste" some water and nutes, but I think getting that much runoff helps keep the plants healthy.
On the first couple of waterings and feedings in veg, I don't worry about salt build-up since it's minimal at that stage, so I just water and feed until I get a smaller but roughly equal amount of runoff from each pot.
After that, however, I shoot for about half the volume of the container.
I always tilt my pots in all directions when done and make sure I get runoff out of every drain hole so that I know there aren't any dry pockets in there.
On the big flush when switching to 12/12, I flush with double the volume, in this case 4 gallons per plant, and on the final flush before harvest, I'll flush with at least that much.
thanks kevin!
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED
I did not know that. That might explain a problem I had a while back.
I did not know that. That might explain a problem I had a while back.
Green Utopia
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Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED
I agree completely with your reasoning for not giving all the plants the same water. This grow is not only a fantastic comparison of the lights, but a clinic in proper technique in general.
Thanks!!!!
I agree completely with your reasoning for not giving all the plants the same water. This grow is not only a fantastic comparison of the lights, but a clinic in proper technique in general.
Thanks!!!!
hydronewbie
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Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED
I second that observation. Are there any significant differences in smell or other distinctive characteristics that the photos cannot impart? To me, it looks like HGL is denser and seemingly healthier at this stage. Very nice. You Da Man!
Looking GREAT SS,not sure if it's the pics or just that they started their stretch but you can really see how bushy the HGL plants are compared to the HSS
I second that observation. Are there any significant differences in smell or other distinctive characteristics that the photos cannot impart? To me, it looks like HGL is denser and seemingly healthier at this stage. Very nice. You Da Man!
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED
Once those ladies get bigger, the footprint will begin to shrink. The coverage will become reduced on the HGL side, whereas from what I can see, the HSS will remain with adequate coverage regardless of extra growth from here on out.
Just my 2 Cents
-Go
Once those ladies get bigger, the footprint will begin to shrink. The coverage will become reduced on the HGL side, whereas from what I can see, the HSS will remain with adequate coverage regardless of extra growth from here on out.
Just my 2 Cents
-Go
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED
sfhaze pointed out that it's not that RO leaches minerals out of the soil in runoff, but rather that it needs to be supplemented with minerals because it lacks them and many nutes don't supply enough to make up for it.
Not sure if nute companies base their formulas on being mixed with tap water or RO/distilled, but it seems to add what many nutes don't have enough of.
I'm so happy that makes sense to somebody besides me
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thank you for following Papa Green
Both sets of plants are very gradually starting to smell stronger. The HGL plants smell a little stronger, but it's very close.
The HGL plants are thicker and denser with very glossy leaves. The density of the foliage, combined with the narrow beam angle of 60 degrees, is making it difficult for the lower growth to get light, but that seems to be improving as it looks like several lower branches are about to reach the canopy.
The HSS plants aren't as bushy in the middle and the main stems are a little thinner. They look healthy from top to bottom. The foliage is more open and that allows the significant amount of reflected light from the HSS light to penetrate.
Both sets of plants are looking good and healthy. The thick lower foliage on the HGL plants is looking better than a few days ago. The leaves on the HSS plants are getting glossier and shinier.
I've read comments that this strain forms it's own scrog and I sort of see that starting to shape up.
Hope this helps.
If there are any other specific questions please don't hesitate
thanks hydronewbie!
sfhaze pointed out that it's not that RO leaches minerals out of the soil in runoff, but rather that it needs to be supplemented with minerals because it lacks them and many nutes don't supply enough to make up for it.
Not sure if nute companies base their formulas on being mixed with tap water or RO/distilled, but it seems to add what many nutes don't have enough of.
I agree completely with your reasoning for not giving all the plants the same water. This grow is not only a fantastic comparison of the lights, but a clinic in proper technique in general.
Thanks!!!!
I'm so happy that makes sense to somebody besides me
.thank you for following Papa Green
Both sets of plants are very gradually starting to smell stronger. The HGL plants smell a little stronger, but it's very close.
The HGL plants are thicker and denser with very glossy leaves. The density of the foliage, combined with the narrow beam angle of 60 degrees, is making it difficult for the lower growth to get light, but that seems to be improving as it looks like several lower branches are about to reach the canopy.
The HSS plants aren't as bushy in the middle and the main stems are a little thinner. They look healthy from top to bottom. The foliage is more open and that allows the significant amount of reflected light from the HSS light to penetrate.
Both sets of plants are looking good and healthy. The thick lower foliage on the HGL plants is looking better than a few days ago. The leaves on the HSS plants are getting glossier and shinier.
I've read comments that this strain forms it's own scrog and I sort of see that starting to shape up.
Hope this helps.
If there are any other specific questions please don't hesitate
thanks hydronewbie!
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED
I fed them today and noticed that the amount of runoff at my mark on the dish pan looked like less than the one gallon or 50% runoff I stated earlier.
I had marked the dish pan at 1/2 gallon, not 1 gallon, so on regular waterings and feedings, I'm getting 25% runoff or 1/2 gallon.
I apologize for the misinformation.
I fed them today and noticed that the amount of runoff at my mark on the dish pan looked like less than the one gallon or 50% runoff I stated earlier.
I had marked the dish pan at 1/2 gallon, not 1 gallon, so on regular waterings and feedings, I'm getting 25% runoff or 1/2 gallon.
I apologize for the misinformation.
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED
The HGL plants have thicker stems.
I don't know how to answer that.
The HGL plants have thicker stems.
Still, it's all about the buds, so the contest is only just beginning! Great work as always... is it you, or the OCD?
I don't know how to answer that
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Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED
It's basically a battle between intensity and coverage.
Whichever light balances those issues most effectively is going to do the best.
That they are at polar opposites in design makes the comparison all the more interesting.
thanks Go!
It's basically a battle between intensity and coverage.
Whichever light balances those issues most effectively is going to do the best.
That they are at polar opposites in design makes the comparison all the more interesting.
thanks Go!
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED
I like this guy
I been talking with the China connection too. Somewhere, someone said we should start a post with everybodys input on making the best LED light out there. That would be fun after this grow. There is so much that you can do with LED to change colors, and to tweak them. SS did you say your HSS has switches for tweaking? Any thoughts?
I do like the side by side pictures, any chance on seeing all the plants? I was thinking
it would be nice to match one at a time from each tent side by side the rest of the grow, HGL1+HSS1, HGL2+HSS2, and so on for some nice pictures.
This grow reminds me when I was a kid and used to watch the wrestling matches with my grandmother, I was always rooting for the underdog.
I like this guy
I been talking with the China connection too. Somewhere, someone said we should start a post with everybodys input on making the best LED light out there. That would be fun after this grow. There is so much that you can do with LED to change colors, and to tweak them. SS did you say your HSS has switches for tweaking? Any thoughts?I do like the side by side pictures, any chance on seeing all the plants? I was thinking
it would be nice to match one at a time from each tent side by side the rest of the grow, HGL1+HSS1, HGL2+HSS2, and so on for some nice pictures.This grow reminds me when I was a kid and used to watch the wrestling matches with my grandmother, I was always rooting for the underdog.
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED
He's been doing that all along. Check it out.
I do like the side by side pictures, any chance on seeing all the plants? I was thinking
He's been doing that all along. Check it out.
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED
The Lurker had some great comments on the issue of the high/low switches on the Haight Solid State light:
"Yep, dialing in the blue/red ratios can be a big help in the garden, going forward.
The HGL lights don't have a direct way to do that; raise 'em up to induce stretch, lower 'em to keep them compact. The issue with that is you reduce all intensities to your plants equally, which can slow down flowering (or rather, reduce yields), too.
The HSS has high/low power switches for the red and blue/white, allowing you to switch the blue to low power (inducing stretch when needed during weeks 1-3 of flowering, for example - nice if you're trying to fill out a screen) and still keep the red on high power for producing larger buds. Or, start them out with mostly blue light to increase your ratio of female plants from seed until sexing has taken place (and, keep them nice and compact).
The Lumigrow has fully variable power knobs on both spectrums for dialing this in precisely, too. A little more expensive, but you get what you pay for, I suppose... I've seen growers on other forums use these to great effect to add a bit of stretch when needed to separate calyx sites a bit. Even tweaking for just a couple of days can get you exactly the profile you're looking for. Very cool!"
Not sure I understood your suggestion for the side-by-side pics. Did you mean to just compare the *same* pairs of plants against each other through the remainder of the grow?
At this point, they're all fairly uniform within their respective groups, and fairly uniform overall in size, so I've just been choosing plants for the side-by-sides that are the closest in size, so that any other differences would be more apparent.
I've very open to suggestions for pics, however, and if I can fill any requests, I would be more than happy.
thanks bro and glad you're following
The Lurker had some great comments on the issue of the high/low switches on the Haight Solid State light:
"Yep, dialing in the blue/red ratios can be a big help in the garden, going forward.
The HGL lights don't have a direct way to do that; raise 'em up to induce stretch, lower 'em to keep them compact. The issue with that is you reduce all intensities to your plants equally, which can slow down flowering (or rather, reduce yields), too.
The HSS has high/low power switches for the red and blue/white, allowing you to switch the blue to low power (inducing stretch when needed during weeks 1-3 of flowering, for example - nice if you're trying to fill out a screen) and still keep the red on high power for producing larger buds. Or, start them out with mostly blue light to increase your ratio of female plants from seed until sexing has taken place (and, keep them nice and compact).
The Lumigrow has fully variable power knobs on both spectrums for dialing this in precisely, too. A little more expensive, but you get what you pay for, I suppose... I've seen growers on other forums use these to great effect to add a bit of stretch when needed to separate calyx sites a bit. Even tweaking for just a couple of days can get you exactly the profile you're looking for. Very cool!"
Not sure I understood your suggestion for the side-by-side pics. Did you mean to just compare the *same* pairs of plants against each other through the remainder of the grow?
At this point, they're all fairly uniform within their respective groups, and fairly uniform overall in size, so I've just been choosing plants for the side-by-sides that are the closest in size, so that any other differences would be more apparent.
I've very open to suggestions for pics, however, and if I can fill any requests, I would be more than happy.
thanks bro and glad you're following
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED
Just a quickie pic I took last night of one of the HGL tops.
There's a few hairs on the tops of all the HGL plants. The HSS plants are slightly behind, but also starting to pop some hairs up on top.
sorry for the crappy pic, I was too tired after feeding them to get the tripod out.
I went up to the full FF schedule for this feeding. This mix drains really well and I can flush very effectively if I need to, so full speed ahead.
all per gallon with RO water:
2 tsp Tiger Bloom
1 Tablespoon Big Bloom
1 tsp Cal-Mag+
The PH of the runoff was 6.5, which I think is due to the buffering effect of the recent thorough flush at the end of veg.
Nute solution PH was 5.5 and adjusted up to 6.4.
I'm using a Milwaukee PH600 PH meter, and General Hydroponics "PH UP" and "PH DOWN" to adjust.
Superthrive has been discontinued secondary to the discussion that it can slow down bloom.
Hoping they look happy tonight from their feeding.
They are really starting to fill in the tents.
Just a quickie pic I took last night of one of the HGL tops.
There's a few hairs on the tops of all the HGL plants. The HSS plants are slightly behind, but also starting to pop some hairs up on top.
sorry for the crappy pic, I was too tired after feeding them to get the tripod out.
I went up to the full FF schedule for this feeding. This mix drains really well and I can flush very effectively if I need to, so full speed ahead
.all per gallon with RO water:
2 tsp Tiger Bloom
1 Tablespoon Big Bloom
1 tsp Cal-Mag+
The PH of the runoff was 6.5, which I think is due to the buffering effect of the recent thorough flush at the end of veg.
Nute solution PH was 5.5 and adjusted up to 6.4.
I'm using a Milwaukee PH600 PH meter, and General Hydroponics "PH UP" and "PH DOWN" to adjust.
Superthrive has been discontinued secondary to the discussion that it can slow down bloom.
Hoping they look happy tonight from their feeding
.They are really starting to fill in the tents.
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED
Setting Sun, this is the best journal management I have witnessed here. Thanks Brother.
Setting Sun, this is the best journal management I have witnessed here. Thanks Brother.
Cephas
New Member
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED
I second that! You sure have set the bar high for future journals!
Setting Sun, this is the best journal management I have witnessed here. Thanks Brother.
I second that! You sure have set the bar high for future journals!
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED
thank you so much Joe!
you're very welcome brother.
I've never been a good sandbagger, lol.
thanks Cephas.
Setting Sun, this is the best journal management I have witnessed here. Thanks Brother.
thank you so much Joe!
you're very welcome brother
.I've never been a good sandbagger, lol.
thanks Cephas
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Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED
DAY 11 BLOOM
These are just some random shots of some early bloom action. I think they've stretched at least an inch since I fed them. They look happy and healthy. I couldn't be happier with how they're doing.
I unzip the tents and I'm amazed at how these relatively low-wattage lights have produced such robust and healthy plants.
Bloom has definitely begun and I'm way stoked!
Bud site on a lower side branch of an HSS plant.
Hoping for a couple of nice main colas up there in a few weeks.
HGL branches finding the light through a gauntlet of big indica hands.
DAY 11 BLOOM
These are just some random shots of some early bloom action. I think they've stretched at least an inch since I fed them. They look happy and healthy. I couldn't be happier with how they're doing.
I unzip the tents and I'm amazed at how these relatively low-wattage lights have produced such robust and healthy plants.
Bloom has definitely begun and I'm way stoked!
Bud site on a lower side branch of an HSS plant.
Hoping for a couple of nice main colas up there in a few weeks.
HGL branches finding the light through a gauntlet of big indica hands.
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED
Hi Sun Just had to say something about your photography. Your pics are beautiful to say the least. The shot from the bottom up was really great. It is what the girls see looking up. They have multi colored LEDs to see. Once again great work, Old Friend
Hi Sun Just had to say something about your photography. Your pics are beautiful to say the least. The shot from the bottom up was really great. It is what the girls see looking up. They have multi colored LEDs to see. Once again great work, Old Friend
MountainHigh
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Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED
I totally agree with OMM, I love coming by your journal just for your photography and for your obvious love of what you are doing. Nice place to hang out
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BTW, your explanation of your watering technique has gotten me to adopt it, I was being pretty conservative, just watering until I start to see runoff. I will make sure they get a much more thorough watering each time, my pots happen to fit in a 5 gallon bucket so it works out nicely. 
I just love this place, I learn so much about plant care.
brother
Hi Sun Just had to say something about your photography. Your pics are beautiful to say the least. The shot from the bottom up was really great. It is what the girls see looking up. They have multi colored LEDs to see. Once again great work, Old Friend
I totally agree with OMM, I love coming by your journal just for your photography and for your obvious love of what you are doing. Nice place to hang out
. BTW, your explanation of your watering technique has gotten me to adopt it, I was being pretty conservative, just watering until I start to see runoff. I will make sure they get a much more thorough watering each time, my pots happen to fit in a 5 gallon bucket so it works out nicely. I just love this place, I learn so much about plant care.
brother