Haight Solid State vs. H.G.LED

Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

zett said:
sorry for off..

where did they put LED grow section? the path is now like: 420 Magazine > THE GROW ROOM > Grow Journals > Journals in Progress
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Just the admin making some changes to see how things work best. It seems quite a few members weren't aware that the LED sub-forum even existed, so the LED journals are back in the mix now.

leave a trail of bread crumbs ;)
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Cephas said:
Awesome pictorial timeline SS! Thank you so much for taking the time to do that! I can't wait to compare my upcoming grows to this! Bought a light from China but it won't be here till the end of Feb. Keep growing dude.
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thanks Cephas!

I'm glad you liked the timeline. Lining the pics up like that can help clarify how the plants progressed.

How many watts is your light?

If you can, please journal and share your LED grow with us!
 
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Thanks for the info on cal-mag affecting finished taste. I just bought some to use in my older veg plants since they've been potted for anywhere up to 5 months, and was planning to use it in my flowering stage instead of epsom salts. If I do sub for the epsom salts I'll make sure I flush extra long. Speaking of which, whats your take on using pharma type epsom salts instead of the garden shop type? Are you aware of any downside?

Can't say enough good things about your comp grow. Very well done, SS.
 
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Nice ....now come the buds! :cheertwo: Looks great bro...very informative thread and grow. Plants all look super healthy .....setup is sweet too...really like the added protection of tents...great way to filter out dust ...especially for flowering ladies.
 
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Mmmmick said:
Thanks for the info on cal-mag affecting finished taste. I just bought some to use in my older veg plants since they've been potted for anywhere up to 5 months, and was planning to use it in my flowering stage instead of epsom salts. If I do sub for the epsom salts I'll make sure I flush extra long. Speaking of which, whats your take on using pharma type epsom salts instead of the garden shop type? Are you aware of any downside?

Can't say enough good things about your comp grow. Very well done, SS.
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If you smell the Cal-Mag, that's pretty much the flavor it imparts to the buds. Pretty awful.

I think epsom salts are epsom salts, and the drugstore stuff is the same as the "horticultural".

thanks bro ;)


sfhaze said:
Calmag is great, but I stop two weeks before harvest. I can taste it if I don't.... I have been using the bionicare lineup, and the taste is kind of fishy. It might not even be from the calmag, it just smells similar to the taste I wasn't liking and now it's gone. I always flush, but I think it's hard to flush minerals from the soil - it really just removes the salts.
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You're right, it's to add the minerals to the RO water that it lacks, not to replace minerals lost to runoff.

I'll stop using it at least two weeks before harvest to avoid any problems.

thanks sfhaze!

Tunes420 said:
Nice ....now come the buds! :cheertwo: Looks great bro...very informative thread and grow. Plants all look super healthy .....setup is sweet too...really like the added protection of tents...great way to filter out dust ...especially for flowering ladies.
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I love the tents and the plants love them too. They make things easier and cleaner. My grow room isn't enclosed, so they do provide the isolation the plants need from the rest of the garage. The screening over the intake vents at the bottom is very fine and does a great job of filtering. There really is nothing I don't like about the tents. I'm just glad I had enough room to squeeze two of them in there.

thank you brother Tunes, always enjoy your visits ;)
 
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day 7 bloom

These pics were taken yesterday, Wednesday, day 7 bloom.

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Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

They look great!
Better job than I ever could have done.
I guess we'll know in a couple of months.
Thanks again for all your efforts;)
 
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1234a5678b said:
They look great!
Better job than I ever could have done.
I guess we'll know in a couple of months.
Thanks again for all your efforts;)
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Thanks!

You know, I haven't done anything in this grow that would be difficult to duplicate except for maybe my obsessively careful pot and circulation fan positioning ;).

I've put a lot of effort into maximizing the position of those plants under the lights, crowding them in as much as much as I can while avoiding as much overlap as possible. Not an easy task with a fat-leaved indica, but it's payed off so far.

The circulation fans are set up up to just barely cause the leaves to flutter. The plants aren't wasting energy fighting wind. I don't run my circulation fans with lights off because I don't have humidity issues, and the plants seem to like it. I may have to start running them 24/24 when it starts getting thicker in there. They're getting *lots* of fresh air with just the 100cfm exhaust fans and the tent vents open and light-blocked. The tents are 39.5 cubic ft, and the carbon filters aren't reducing flow too much, so air is probably being totally exchanged at least once per minute. The circulation fans are setup to gently blow the fresh air coming in through the bottom vents all around the plants while causing as little stress as possible.

The soil and nutes are popular and mainstream.

A little OCD helps with the pots and fans, but it's not mandatory ;).
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Setting Sun said:
If you smell the Cal-Mag, that's pretty much the flavor it imparts to the buds. Pretty awful.

I think epsom salts are epsom salts, and the drugstore stuff is the same as the "horticultural".

thanks bro ;)
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Try Hydrotek CalMag Advance, just bought some, I can't smell a thing but I've got the sniffles.
yeah my opinion also, thanks.


great update. Damn healthy set of plants.
 
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Looking GREAT SS,not sure if it's the pics or just that they started their stretch but you can really see how bushy the HGL plants are compared to the HSS :peace:
 
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zett said:
AWESOME!!!

The best report ever!
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thank you zett!

Mmmmick said:
Try Hydrotek CalMag Advance, just bought some, I can't smell a thing but I've got the sniffles.
yeah my opinion also, thanks.


great update. Damn healthy set of plants.
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Hmmmmm, I'll check it out, thanks. The Botanicare Cal-Mag has a strong medicine-type smell to it.

Hope you get over the sniffles quick.

thanks bro ;)

onthe420train said:
lol I like the smell of cal mag. Epsom salts are good too cal mag is just easy and has Nitrogen in it as well.
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As well as the calcium, which is missing from epsom salts.

I'd rather it not have the nitrogen.

thanks brother ;)

420warrior said:
Looking GREAT SS,not sure if it's the pics or just that they started their stretch but you can really see how bushy the HGL plants are compared to the HSS :peace:
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Yep, they are denser, but some of the side branches and shoots are working their way up and looking less droopy from lack of light than previously.

At this point, I'm really pleased about the overall uniformity. Don't need no crazy-assed phenos saying hello ;).

thanks man ;)
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Setting Sun said:
thanks Cephas!

I'm glad you liked the timeline. Lining the pics up like that can help clarify how the plants progressed.

How many watts is your light?

If you can, please journal and share your LED grow with us!
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My light is a custom build, approximately 300w, with a 90/10 red/blue mix. It is over 25% 660nm diodes and covers 7 other wavelengths from 410nm to 645nm. With the interchangable lens system I have coming I should be able to mix lens like 30, 60 & 120 to get a variable angle of light dispersion that averages out to 90 degrees. I figure natural sunlight isn't all at one uniform angle so why not duplicate the variances. It's waterproof too.

I can't wait to bloom out my LST'd Skywalker OG with it! 6 weeks veg under cfls by the time the LED gets here so it should be fun to watch!

As far as performance goes, I'll be happy if this light performs as well or better than a 250w HID. I know everyone else says 300w LED = 600w HID but I really don't believe that. Watt for watt is where it's at.

If it does work I'll start a non-profit company that sells them and then donates the proceeds to help get medical cannabis legalized and to feed people. Maybe donate to MPP and Heifer International?

Thanks for all the work SS!
Keep growin dude!
 
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SS
Think you said that your water using a yard sprayer. If so, how do you determine how much you water.
Thanks
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Cephas said:
My light is a custom build, approximately 300w, with a 90/10 red/blue mix. It is over 25% 660nm diodes and covers 7 other wavelengths from 410nm to 645nm. With the interchangable lens system I have coming I should be able to mix lens like 30, 60 & 120 to get a variable angle of light dispersion that averages out to 90 degrees. I figure natural sunlight isn't all at one uniform angle so why not duplicate the variances. It's waterproof too.

I can't wait to bloom out my LST'd Skywalker OG with it! 6 weeks veg under cfls by the time the LED gets here so it should be fun to watch!

As far as performance goes, I'll be happy if this light performs as well or better than a 250w HID. I know everyone else says 300w LED = 600w HID but I really don't believe that. Watt for watt is where it's at.

If it does work I'll start a non-profit company that sells them and then donates the proceeds to help get medical cannabis legalized and to feed people. Maybe donate to MPP and Heifer International?

Thanks for all the work SS!
Keep growin dude!
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Sounds like you spec'd a very nice light!

I'll get a somewhat better idea of the watt for watt situation when this grow is over. Dying to know what my ladies would look like right now if they had been vegged with one of my 150w HID's, but that will have to be another comparison.

I've never fired up one of my 150w HPS bulbs in the 22" X 22" aluminum open hoods I run in my tents with HID's. I've been growing with 250w HID, and the coverage is excellent. I think the coverage with the same hood and 150w of HID would be excellent also, but of course, less intense.


I hope your new light flowers well for you and that your endeavors pan out!

thank you Cephas!
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

So far, it looks like the more direct light of the HGL is winning over the more diffuse HSS... does either side have thicker stems?

Still, it's all about the buds, so the contest is only just beginning! Great work as always... is it you, or the OCD? ;)
 
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kevin.n said:
SS
Think you said that your water using a yard sprayer. If so, how do you determine how much you water.
Thanks
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Good question, and I gave it considerable thought prior to starting this grow.

I considered measuring the amount of water individually for each plant and rigidly sticking to that versus my usual method which is to estimate the amount by the runoff.

I also considered getting really finicky about it and weighing the pots to equalize the waterings, assuming that the plants are all close enough in weight to make that accurate, which it would be.

The problem with giving each plant the same amount of water is that they don't all have the same metabolic rate and some pots are drier than others when it's time to water.

I thought about what the primary goals are for this grow, and I'm pretty sure one of them is to see how well these LED's flower. In order to do that, I have to give each individual plant what it needs and not treat all of them *exactly* the same.

So, I'm using my usual method of observing runoff to give me an idea of how saturated the pots are. I try to achieve about the same amount of runoff for each pot and that tells me that each pot has been saturated about the same.

It's a time-consuming way to water, because you just can't pour it in, but watering with a finely oxygenated spray (which is how I do it) is also time-consuming, so both things work together very well.

Takes me about 45 minutes to water all of them slowly enough to use runoff as a guide for how much I'm giving them.

Good question, not sure how I would do it for a soil comparison. If every plant in a strain used water at the same rate, it would be easier. I'd probably do it the same way and optimize the watering for each plant.

thanks kevin!
 
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